If GF actually were to make sound a new type, how do you both make its type interactions make sense logically and also make sense for competitive balance?
My suggestion:SE against>Steel, Water, Ghost, PsychicWeak against>Rock, Bug, PsychicResists>Water, GhostIs resisted by >Rock, Ground, GrassIs immune to sound>BugSound is immune against>DarkVibrations travel cleanly through homogeneous substances like water and steel, but get muffled by composite matter like ground, grass, and rock. Ghosts and Psychics are both disrupted by sound, but Psychics can also disorient sound users with auditory hallucinations. Bugs simply aren’t bothered by sound whatsoever, but annoy everyone else with it. Darkness is a visual construct, and sound doesn’t care about it.As for the competitive side of things, steel, ghost, and water could afford a nerf while also making sure not to step on the toes of grass and ground’s current niches. Rock and bug are getting much needed facelifts. Being immune to dark, but weak to bug is also a neat new balance of having a way to cockblock common dark fuckery moves like taunt and knock off, but becoming especially vulnerable to U-turn.
>>57158083Super Effective against:>Ghost: Exorcisms>Fairy: Church Bells>Water: Dynamite fishing/soundwaves fucking up fish>Steel: Soundwaves travel faster through metalResisted by:>Ice: Cold weather slows soundwaves>Grass: Sound stimulation makes plants grow faster>Rock: Certain rocks are good soundproofing materials>Psychic: Psychic waves interfere with soundwaves>Bug: Most insects (obviously excluding cicadas and crickets) cannot perceive sound as they don't have any sound sensory organs
>>57158109Aight, just fuck Mimikyu, Primarina, Tinkaton, and Empoleon I guess. Who likes those Pokemon anyways?
>>57158092>Darkness is a visual construct, and sound doesn’t care about it.dark pokemon are evil/sneaky, they're not literal darkness
>>57158083Would metal sound remain a steel type move is it going to be a sound type move? Also soundproof is going to be the levitate for that type
>>57158238idkno one uses metal sound anyways so just make it whatever type I guess
>>57158224Explain Darkrai
>>57158238>Would metal sound remain a steel type move is it going to be a sound type move? There's plenty of moves like that. Between Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Mega Punch, Comet Punch, Dizzy Punch, Shadow Punch, Bullet Punch, Jet Punch, and Mach Punch, only one of them is actually Fighting type. Pollen Puff is Bug type and not Grass type, Floral Healing is Fairy type and not Grass type, Steamroller (Hard Roller in Japanese) is Bug instead of Ground or Steel, Silver Wind is Bug type instead of Flying type, etc.>Also soundproof is going to be the levitate for that typeIt wouldn't be the only type with an ability that grants an immunity. Water Absorb, Volt Absorb, Lightning Rod, Dry Skin, Storm Drain, Flash Fire, Sap Sipper, Earth Eater...I'm more concerned about how they'll handle the distinction between Sound moves and Sound-based moves that hit through substitute. Maybe let Psychic in on the fun and have it be "wave" based moves -- soundwaves and ESP waves -- that can hit through substitute? Or maybe have it be the secondary effect on Sound type moves, like how Fire type moves have a Burn chance or Ice type moves have a Freeze chance.
>>57158083More like sounding type lol
>>57158083>sound typemost retarded popular idea lolhow are you gonna make the physical moves?loud punch? lmao
>>57158083What flavor would you make a good normal type special move if not sound?>>57158092If boomburst has the ability to hit anything super effectively, its 100% getting nerfed
>>57158490>psychic typeMost retarded GF idea lolHow are you gonna make the physical moves?Mind headbutt? Mind cut? Mind bite? lmao
>>57158083I think a "Wave" type would be better. That way you can kinda fit sound and light based pokemon in the same group as individually there aren't really that many.
>>57158490It's pretty easy to come up with.>Sonic Punch>40 base power/100 acc>+1 priority>Supersonic Crash>120 base power/100 acc>25% recoil damage>Aural Assault>25 base power/90 acc>Hits 2 - 5 times>Amplify>60 base power/100 acc>Next Sound type attack inflicted on the targetted Pokemon deals double damage
>>57158501>If boomburst has the ability to hit anything super effectively, its 100% getting nerfedJust turn it into a Sound type version of Overheat/Draco Meteor/Leaf Storm.>Boomburst>130 base power>90 accuracy>5 pp>-2 SpA if it hits
>>57158465Sounding is more vile than vore and footfaggotry. Thanks for making me look that up, faggot.
>>57158083I think a Poop type would be more fitting. We're all full of poop, it's one of the only things we have in common with our fellow man and pokemon... doodoo
>>57158814Is this supposed to be a poor joke about Indians?
>>57158867No. I just came to the realization today that when in a room full of people there are an equal number of turds to logs of poop floating around the room as well
>>57158873That doesn't pass the sniff test.
>>57159061Somehow it does
>>57158109>Exorcisms and church bellsI unironically love these ideas
>>57158109Literally none of these make sense except for you being a campaignshitter trying to arbitrarily buff types you think are weak.
>>57158411N-NOO YOU CAN'T MENTION T-THAT COUNTER E-EXAMPLE *sharts himself* TH-THAT'S CHEATING11!
>>57159213Hey Verlisify!
>>57158411nightmare demon>>57159226one Pokemon doesn't make a theme, do you think fairy type contains robot theme because it has magearna?
>>57160632>nightmare demonOf pure darkness
>>57162249maybe, that doesnt make dark type themed around darkness
>>57160632Magearna is Fairy/Steel, retard. That's why they/them is a robot. Just like Magnezone, a UFO robot that is Electric/Steel.Darkrai, meanwhile, is pure Dark. Not Dark/Ghost, not Dark/Psychic, not Dark/Normal. Just pure Dark.
>>57162380That's why Darkrai should've been Ghost/Dark all along.
>>57162395I agree because it would've been even sicker than it already is.
>>57162260I don't get the hate for the type. It's definitely not on the same caliber as Fire, Water, Ice, Ground, and etc, but it's in no way lesser than Fairy, Poison, Psychic, and Normal.
>>57158490That'll be a fun twist; no physical moves.But you'd need a counterpart that's all physical moves, no special moves.
>>57163175You mean how types worked prior to Gen 4?
>>57158490Sound is literally a physical movement of physical bodies. Every type of shake/quake move is physical sound move.
>>57158526sounds and light are too different thematicallysound + dance should be good
>>57158092how is it super effective and also weak against psychic>>57158119this is ultimately the issue which changing types. fucks with the whole balance. and you know GF wouldn't go so far as to adjust things.
>>57158119Yeah, just like Scrafty and Hydreigon got fucked over. I don't hear Fairyfags complaining about that.
I thought I told you never to post that pernicious parrot's ugly mug ever again.
>>57163515It's Chatot Chewsday, innit?
>>57163366Sound is just a type of wave that you can interpret with the correct sensory organs. >But how would you make that physical?The same way you'd make Electric physical.
>>57163574Shatot doesn't deserve a second of warmth and comfort, let alone an entire day. The only shatot related celebration should be its funeral.
>>57163584Chatot can say human words so that makes it based thoughbeit.
>>57162380あくタイプ
>>57163600No. There is nothing based about the little turd. Absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Just by existing, the shrieking creep has brought down the quality of the entire franchise. Everything about it is repulsive. I'm not going to give you any more attention after this. I just want you to know, that if you and your precious kiddy molestor macaw were bleeding out in the dirt of an old country road as I was driving by I would swerve to hit you, then, reverse and drive over you again. You are both cretins of the utmost degree.
>>57163661Damn, this guy definitely got his DS taken away by his mom after she heard a Chatot use Chatter and shout a slur
>>57163321Sorta. Why not make Rock all physical then? Kinda like a throwback or something.
Sound should be SE against dark because the quiet of night makes even small noises seem really loud
But can staraptor advance rng by one frame?
>>57163846I mean, Rock is basically all Physical still. All it has is Ancient Power, Power Gem, and Meteor Beam.
>>57163887Dark already has enough weaknesses. Make it SE against OP types instead.
The hate for Sound type is completely unjustified.
>>57163927Fair enough.How about Iron? Steel is manmade so Iron can be its Rock-type.
>>57163970It's pointless and makes no sense. Sound is just vibration in the air. It is as Normal as any energy form could possibly be.
>>57164144>Ground, Rock>Steel, Iron>Another type that gets a buff from sandstorm>Earth gets another typingFund it.
>>57164149Sound isn't just "vibration in the air", it's actually waves that travel through matter.
>>57163489Same way Bug and Poison work in Gen 1
>>57164149>It's pointless and makes no sense.And yet I don't hear you complaining about Fairy
>>57165632>And yet I don't hear you complaining about [type that has an explicit point and does make sense]
>>57163578>Sound is just a type of wave that you can interpret with the correct sensory organs. yes, wave of physical movement
>>57158490Sound waves as vibration = vibrating punch that damages internally by bouncing around in the body
>>57165634Fairy doesn't have an explicit point, makes even less sense than Sound type, and was only added for balance.
>>57165654I’ve never seen a person contradict their own post so fast.
>>57165655Are you retarded?
>>57165660Are you?
>>57165662Balance is not an explicit point.
>>57165668>[explicit point] is not an explicit point
>>57165671Exactly. You could justify any type by saying "it's for balance". But what is the POINT of the type? Poison is in to represent toxic Pokemon like Muk or Arbok. Bug is in to represent insects, arachnids, and other creepy crawlies. Normal is in to represent the Pokemon that don't have any other outstanding characteristic like Tauros, Ditto, and Kangaskhan. What would be the point of Sound? To represent Pokemon like Exploud, Chatot, and etc that are otherwise shoved into Normal for lack of a better type existing.What's the point of Fairy? Psychic already covered the small, magical beings like Celebi, Uxie, and etc. Ghost already covered the evil and pernicious spirits like Klefki or Misdreavus. Even to this day every single Fairy type could be reclassed to another type and work just fine if Fairy was removed. You couldn't say the same for Bug, Poison, Dragon, or Water.
>>57165685>You could justify any type by saying "it's for balance"No, you actually couldn’t. There is no justification for sound type balancing the game. It would just be another type that’s SE against Rock and Ice and weak to nothing relevant.>What would be the point of Sound? To represent Pokemon like Exploud, Chatot,Normal already represents them perfectly.>Psychic already covered the small, magical beings No it didn’t.
>>57165692>No, you actually couldn’t. There is no justification for sound type balancing the game. It would just be another type that’s SE against Rock and Ice and weak to nothing relevant.False. See: >>57158109You can easily justify it being strong against the best types in the game and weak against the worst. It has no justification for being strong against Rock or Ice.>Normal already represents them perfectly.No it doesn't.>No it didn’t.Yes it did. That's why Celebi, Mew, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Chimecho, Unown, Victini, Hoopa, Jirachi, and Meloetta are all Psychic type and not Fairy.
>>57163578>Sound is just a type of wave that you can interpret with the correct sensory organsincorrect
>>57165701>False. See my autistic fanfics that make literally zero sense>No it doesn'tYes it does. Sound is how you make special Normal moves. Turning it into its own type is not only retarded and pointless but also gimps Normal type for no reason.>Yes it didNo it doesn’t. It represents literal psychic abilities. Which is why Clefairy and Togepi weren’t Psychic type.
>>57158490>loud punch>140 power>5 pp>90% accuracy>sound type>Can only be used after all of the user's other moves have been used. Changes the target's ability to Rattled.
>>57165717>False. See my autistic fanfics that make literally zero senseThey all make sense however.>Yes it does. Sound is how you make special Normal moves.Really? What about Hyper Beam? Tri-attack? Weather Ball? Terrain Pulse? Blood Moon? Wring Out? Swift? Razor Wind? Hidden Power? It appears to me that there's a Sound type attached to the Normal type that could easily be spun off into its own type.>Turning it into its own type is not only retarded and pointless but also gimps Normal type for no reason.There is a point and it makes sense, and also it doesn't gimp Normal. You can easily make a replacement for Hyper Voice, the only real loss for the Normal type. Just make it a generic beam blast/Hadouken. Problem solved.>No it doesn’t. It represents literal psychic abilities. Which is why Clefairy and Togepi weren’t Psychic type.Those Pokemon are only Fairy for balance reasons. Same with Azumarill. What, really, is the difference between Clefable, Lickitung, Wigglytuff, Ditto, and Chansey? The type change was entirely arbitrary. Sure, Fairy fits Clefairy better than Normal, but Cyber fits Porygon better than Normal, Egg fits Chansey better than Normal, Tongue fits Lickitung better than Normal, and Goop fits Ditto better than Normal. There's no point in adding Cyber, Egg, Tongue, or Goop as types though, just like there was no point in spinning Fairy off into its own type.
>>57165805>Loud punchHow about you load up a damn thesaurus
>>57165809>They all make sense howeverYou can’t use “it travels faster through le material” to justify it being SE against two types and then use a completely opposite justification to try and explain Ice and Rock being resistant. You’re just a retard who doesn’t understand how types work.>Really? What about [shitty move] and [signature move] and [move that’s only normal as default because it changes type]?>There is a point and it makes sense, Evidently not.>Those Pokemon are only Fairy for balance reasonsNo they aren’t. They’re Fairy because they make no sense under any other type.
>>57165825>You can’t use “it travels faster through le material” to justify it being SE against two types and then use a completely opposite justification to try and explain Ice and Rock being resistant.What? That makes total sense. Sound travels faster through water and metal = Sound is SE against it. Sound is dampened by cold and rock = Sound is resisted by it.Seriously, what is your IQ?>No they aren’t. They’re Fairy because they make no sense under any other type.They existed fine before Fairy and no one between 1996 and 2012 thought we needed to add a Fairy type so Clefable could be something other than Normal.
>>57165850>Sound travels faster through water and metalIt also travels faster through Rock and Ice you dumbfuck. In fact, sound can SHATTER Rock and Ice. Where do you think the trope of sound shattering glass comes from? Rock and Ice being weak to sound is literally the most intuitive type interaction with Sound you can make. But you're just making up fanfics to try and arbitrarily make types you think are weak resistant to it and types you think are strong weak to it. That's not how it works. And what the fuck does "church bells" mean?>Seriously, what is your IQ?Higher than yours, apparently.>They existed fine before FairyNo they didn't.
>>57165893>It also travels faster through RockWrong. It travels faster through uniform materials, and rock is anything but. A pile of rocks is incredibly hard for sound to penetrate through.>And IceSound is actually dampened by the cold. Hot air makes sound travel faster, while the dampening effect of the cold makes it travel slower and further. >Where do you think the trope of sound shattering glass comes from?There is no such trope. The "trope", if you could call it that, comes from causing avalanches and rockslides with loud sounds. Even though, scientifically speaking, sound is a terrible way to cause either. >And what the fuck does "church bells" mean?Fairies, in mythology, are driven away by the sound of church bells. >Higher than yours, apparently.Very obviously not.>No they didn't.Yes they did
>>57165963>It travels faster through uniform materialsIt travels faster through denser materials, dumbfuck. Rock is more dense than air. Therefore it will travel fast through rock.>A pile of rocksRock Pokemon aren't "a pile of rocks.">Sound is actually dampened by the coldIt's "Ice type" not "Cold type", dumbfuck.>There is no such tropeYes there is. Stop being retarded.>Fairies, in mythology, are driven away by the sound of church bellsIt's "Sound type", not "Church Bell type">Very obviously not.Very obviously so.>Yes they didNo they didn't.
>>57165980>It travels faster through denser materials, dumbfuck. Rock is more dense than air. Therefore it will travel fast through rock.Denser materials are more uniform. >Rock Pokemon aren't "a pile of rocks."See: Golem, Gigalith, Onix, Regirock, etc. It's a good enough justification to make the type resistant to Sound.>It's "Ice type" not "Cold type", dumbfuck.Ice types are cold. Regice, for example, cloaks itself with -200 Celsius air, as per the Pokedex. Walrein certainly isn't made out of Ice, and neither is Weavile. There are more non-ice Ice types than there are Ice types explicitly made out of Ice. >Yes there is. Stop being retarded.Prove it. >It's "Sound type", not "Church Bell type"What do church bells produce, retard?
>>57166004>Denser materials are more uniformWhich Rock and Ice are. Which is why your dumbfuck fanfic makes no sense.>See: Golem, Gigalith, Onix, Regirock,All of their bodies are made of dense solid rock, retard.>Ice types are cold.Ice types are also have bodies made up of dense solid ice, retard.>Prove it.Literally look at the image.>What do church bells produce, retard?Holy shit you're right, Ice should be weak against Dragon because Dragons produce Fire. It should be weak against Electric too because electricity produces heat. That's definitely how it works and you're definitely not just a retard.
>>57166032>Which Rock and Ice are. Which is why your dumbfuck fanfic makes no sense.Rocks and Ice aren't uniform. That's why rocks are used for soundproofing. Not A rock, but several rocks. Ice also is not uniform. This is how I know you've never been to a glacier in your life. Go to the Mendenhall Glacier and you can even walk under the Glacier to see it for yourself.>All of their bodies are made of dense solid rock, retard.They're all made out of a bunch of rocks rather than being a singular rock. Onix is literally a bunch of rocks in the form of a snake.>Ice types are also have bodies made up of dense solid ice, retard.No they don't. Some do, like Regice, but Regice also freezes the air around it which would dampen then sound. It's also made out of a bunch of different blocks of ice making it not uniform.>Literally look at the image.Breaking wine glasses with your voice is a trope because they have a resonant frequency that humans can hit and they're hollow allowing for the sound to reverberate. Wine glasses are uniquely suited to break through sound. It's not something you can easily accomplish with other forms of rock. >Holy shit you're right, Ice should be weak against Dragon because Dragons produce Fire. It should be weak against Electric too because electricity produces heat. That's definitely how it works and you're definitely not just a retard.You are grasping now. Ice IS weak to Fire. Not all Dragons breathe fire, but the ones that do... hit Ice for SE damage with it.Meanwhile the whole point of a church bell is to RING. Bells RING you fucking moron. God you're so fucking stupid it's starting to piss me off.
>>57165805>>90% accuracyunplayable
Might as well make punching, slicing, stabbing, tackling, and bones their own type. What's that? That sounds retarded? Now you know why sound type is retarded.
>>57166128Sound is more in line with Psychic, Fairy, or Poison thoughever. We even have Fighting type as a separate type from Normal so your first point is moot.
>>57166128How are any of those similar to Sound?
>>57166123This. Sound should be made the inverse of Rock. All the moves have 100% accuracy or can't miss.
>>57166078>Rocks and Ice aren't uniformYes they are.>Not A rock, but several rocksIt's "Rock type" not "Several Rocks type">They're all made out of a bunch of rocksNo they aren't.>No they don'tYes, they do. Which is why they're weak to other types like Fighting which specialize in breaking hard substances, you gigantic retard.>It's not something you can easily accomplish with other forms of rockIt doesn't have to be "easily accomplished". It just has to be intuitive. Otherwise Fighting wouldn't be SE against Steel.>Ice IS weak to FireBut it isn't weak to Electric.>Not all Dragons breathe fireAnd not all sounds come from bells. Glad we agree you're retarded.
>>57167108I'm glad you waited half a day to post this absolute retardation. I genuinely have never met someone stupider than you on /vp/, and that's including Yawnfag.>Not all sounds come from bellsMight be the dumbest thing said on /vp/ ALL YEAR and it's only the first day.
>>57167108>>57167159I don't care enough to parse through your arguments to find who I'm responding to, but I want to point out that:1. Water is more dense than ice. Ice forms a lattice structure which increases its volume.2. Sound travels better through ice due to the strength of ice's bonds. More hydrogen bonds form in ice on average than water because ice is colder and the (slower) molecules have more opportunity to bond, which makes sound waves pass through it easier.If sound is super effective against water then it must also be super effective against ice. On an unrelated note, I think a cool new mechanic would be a "wave" type/property, but that would be too complicated for kids. By this I mean moves could have properties unique to every move that takes on the form of a wave, regardless of type (water waves, EM waves, pressure waves, etc.) IDK how this would be implemented tho.
nobody remembers Chatot for its gimmick but only (if at all) for its role in PMD2
>>57167595Actually, considering everyone's forgotten PMD2 already, Chatot is more well known for Chatter at this point.
>>57167708>everyone has forgotten the only good Pokèmon gamesure buddy
>>57167720PMD1 > PMD2 thoughbeit.
