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>>57169158Real animals existed in Gen 1, Pokemon took place in an alternate version of the real world back then.Over time, they removed all the references to real world animals and locations.
>>57169158Those are just pokemon that aren't discovered yet
>>57169210Dude can you shut up for once. It's 2025.Talk about things you know about, not things you don't like technical prowess, Pokémon, leaks, life etc.You're wrong more times than I draw breath.
>>57169158The fact that they had to put real animals in this scene just because gen 1 dex had a shithole variety and just two (2) fish pokemon will never be not funny to me
>>57169158Animals must exist in the Pokemon world, otherwise the ecosystem would collapse due to a total lack of biodiversity - especially in lower trophic levels. For instance, microorganisms and annelids.
>>57169226holy retard
For example, Raichu used to be able to knock out Indian elephants, but now it's Copperajah instead. Now that the Indian elephant reference is gone, there's absolutely no reference to real life animals left
>>57169244>No argumenti accept your concession
>>57169158That's Bruxish and Barraskewda, it's just that you're just seeing their Kanto forms
>>57169236This is further supported in the Arceus movie, where Pokemon are specifically designated as "magical creatures" in the past, implying a separation between them and some form of mundane creature.
>>57169281Humans are the mundane creatures
>>57169292The usage of the word "magical" implies a relative difference in perceived "mundane-ness" external to the humans. It's like using the word "colorful" to describe something. A colorful monster is not colorful because it is directly compared the color of humans, but due to a relative comparison between the subject and the external environment. The same logic applies here. Plus, it would be weird to describe something as distinctly magical if it were already ingrained in human consciousness. Why not simply call them "monsters" or something without a specific descriptor?
>>57169245PLA simply takes place before Indian elephants were discoveredIndian elephants still exist in the Pokémon universeSource: it occured to me in a dream
>>57169292Then why not humans and inhumans, if humans are the sole non-magical creature?
>>57169316Only some humans can perform magic, while all Pokemon can
>>57169210It's really quite unfortunate that they dropped this premise. Having real world animals gradually go extinct would have been fine, but turning the world into a generic fantasy setting is just boring.
>>57169292Men do not refer to themselves as "creatures" except when to denigrate other groups
Just eat some green berries and forget about it.
>>57169220Meds
Pokemon are more than mere animals.Pokemon is set on earth.Magnemite is robotic.Blastoise is biomechanical.Ghost pokemon are spirits and/or commune with spirits.Clefairy are space aliens who pilot rocket ships.Alakazam have superhuman IQs.Pokemon other than Meowth can talk.Pokemon can wear clothes.Pokemon can play sports.Pokemon are referred to as "he" and "she", not "it".Pokemon exist alongside animals and are different from animals.Normal animals exist in The Pokemon World, because The Pokemon World is earth.There are guns and tanks in The Pokemon World, because The Pokemon World is earth.Christianity and other major real-world religions exist in The Pokemon World, because The Pokemon World is earth.Lieutenant Surge's nickname is "the lightning American."Santa Claus is real and has a Jynx workforce.Pokeballs are a recent invention.
>>57169210They didn't. It was a mistake they said in an interview.
RGBYGSC = alternate timelines of the original universeRSE-BW2 =soft reboot, the main Canon universe XY-present = hard reboot, confirmation of the multiverse, good luck piecing the Canon together from here
>>57169292>can manipulate aura>can easily tank shit that would evaporate a regular human being>can design and manufacture advanced technology like pokeballs (turns matter into light)>"mundane"
You know I always wondered if there were any microscopic pokemon. The closest we have is the pokevirus
>It's another "/vp/ cannot grasp the concept of a retcon" thread
>>57170841There must be a limit, zygarde cells don't count as pokemon but they are alive and become a pokemonSo there is a threshold somewhere
>>57170836>can manipulate auraOnly some>can easily tank shit that would evaporate a regular human beingNot an ability, it's plot armor/Pokemon being a kid's franchise>can design and manufacture advanced technology like pokeballs (turns matter into light)That's an ability of the Pokemon, not the ball
>>57170812That's just them covering their ass due to annoying people who like to nitpick about inconsistencies
>>57170807Pokémon was better when it was a sci fi work, that through many inclusions grappled with real human fears and interests of the day - see cloning, war and human conflicts, as well as the newness and strangeness of the digital world. Our fears and interests look a bit different today, concerning anonymity, loss of identity, hopelessness, how to live and imagine in a world of screens, automated processes and pervasive "becoming" (the identity crisis). If pokemon wanted to capture that same magic, they would include these issues within the story. Currently though, pokemon became something too big to fail, a franchise and an entrenched interest that had to be sterilized and neutered to pave way for a more palatable mass consumption device. Its all about making that goyslop flow. Pokemon is not a product made by artists: it doesn't have a soul anymore. Earth world pokemon has a soul.OP touches on something important
>>57170876>>57170836You don't get stuff like helicopters through human ingenuity if there's pokemon around - the pressures to create the Industrial Revolution simply don't take place if man lived side by side with Pokémon for eons.Wars would never evolve into mass scale conflicts - railways would never be invented because pack pokemon and transport pokemon simply are too fast. An individual can own hundreds of pokemon and become a force of nature. The entire process of human development as we know it must be scrapped
>>57170887Not everyone in the Pokemon world is a trainer though, the majority are just ordinary people who live mundane lives and work mundane jobs, just like us
Because I guess this needs to be said againThe Pokemon world isn't our world, it used to be but has since been retconned. This is why Kanto is named after a real world region in Japan, but literally every other region isn't. In fact Gen 3 was supposed to be a different world altogether from the world in gen 1/2, hence the space theme Deoxys and Jirachi and some regular Pokemon despite the main having nothing to do with space.Gen 4 soldified that is was its own world seperate from ours. Every fucking time this thread happens you people just cling onto shit said and shown in Gen 1 when the franchise barely knew what it was and was still growing.
>>57170925Kitakami also shares its name with a Japanese city, but that's it
>>57170898You don't get the same trajectory of society if pokemon are around and have the type of intertwined destiny to man as these games have attempted to illustrate. There's just no space for this kind of development. RGB and the first movie had widespread pokemon be a recent phenomena, one that society was adapting to. You still had a semblance of mass industrialization, the tech was there etc, the older generation was more conservative. Things like that. Explain how feudalism gives way to the nation state (giving rise to the enlightenment and republicanism, and later democracy) when every man has artillery, invincible tanks and lightning fast buzzsaws at his disposal at all times. Explain how the bureaucratic state gets going in a system like that, and explain how someone like Genghis Khan can rape through the world through combat tech (horse archery) when Pokémon exist. The Darwinian pressures of the steppes, the numerous tribal cultures and adaptations that man would be forced to endure: that all serve to create the horse archer wouldn't even exist with pokemon around. Every single facet of human life on this earth would be different. That's the point.
>>57170925As seen >>57170950, the trappings of human earth life need to be discarded for this to make sense. Far more likely is the idea that pokemon reatroactively inserted themselves in human memory through use of powerful psionics over the course of decades. Such that entire legends grew out of nothing to accommodate the existence of new psychic superbeings, that exist on a similar mental wavelength as humans. Humans needed to cope regarding Giratina, Groudon, Rayquaza et al, and therefore their minds were pressured into accepting some sort of fable. In reality, they are 40-50 years old beings on this earth.
>>57170876Pretty much. In Tajiri’s original vision pokemon and animals existed side by side, and in SM we know from the teraleak that they had played with the idea of making the whole “phasing real animals out” thing into canon lore, with all pokemon being UBs.
>>57170960Neat headcanon for a game for children about magic animalsShame Legends Arceus bombs it.
>>57170960Pretty much. Some naysayers will cope, but we know from >>57170964 and comments from the devs that the boxart legendaries’ lore is just made up in-universe, that they still consider Pokemon to be “mysterious invaders” above all else internally.
>>57170976>the game that shows you and other Pokemon being isekai’d through timespace holes>”bombs it”not sure you know the meaning of that phrasing
>>57170989>Time travel is isekaiGetting real tired of this shit
>>57170950they only just recently invented pokeballs THOUGH
>>57170997You don't need pokeballs to control pokemon. Case in point: pikachu, meowth, numerous ash pokemon throughout the anime. Many trainers used whips. You can wrangle pokemon, probably. Pokemon would also be able to pass through families through use of eggs and breeding. A family breeding tyranitar eggs would have enormous power at their disposal, and the babies would grow up with the children. Its impossible to monopolize force under such a system. So again, explain how the nation state, or even just a feudal state gets built through use of pokemon, unless pokemon are a new addition to the world. Either you replace human history and all its inventions or you say pokemon are recent.
>>57170982If it was "made-up", it wouldn't be in the game, there's no reason to put false information in a story.
>>57171028The whips are a holdover from an earlier concept where the trainer could fight on their own
>>57170960So Pokemon are the Memory Parasites from Rick and Morty?
>>57170960>>57171047
>>57170950>RGB and the first movie had widespread pokemon be a recent phenomena, one that society was adapting toHuh?
>>57171034>If it was "made-up", it wouldn't be in the gameGood thing there are characters in Gen 4+ that always say it’s made up then, too!
>>57171034Masuda outright stated that the pokemon myths are fake, and we never actually see any of it actually occur in-game anyway.
>>57171206people will say anything is made up, doesnt mean it is, especially when you can see that it isnt
>>57171137This certainly doesn't mean pokemon and human lived together forever. Just that some skeletons (fossils) were found, indicating that pokemon existed on earth for longer than previously thought. Pokémon are still some sort of mind altering entities that are taking over the ecosystem.
>>57171218masuda is a retard who ruined the games
>>57171221When do we see proof that it’s not made up?
>>57171226Several fossil Pokémon are stated to be from "the age of the dinosaurs" or even given an explicit age of "100 million years ago." You think humans have been around for that long?Even some non-fossil Pokémon are explicitly prehistoric and extremely ancient, like the Hoenn trio, Rayquaza has lived for "hundreds of millions of years"
>>57171221>”yeah uhh Azelf turns off your willpower forever when you harm it because uhh… dude trust me bro”>galactic admins and grunts noticeably perfectly fine after torturing it nearly to deathLegendary pokemon, not factual Pokemon>>57171227Masuda pretty much wrote everything from gens 2-6, so unless you lived through pokemania you were born during the ruined era
>>57171235The games themselves
>>57171034>>57171206>>57171218>>57171235The entire main plots of DPPT and PLA is hinges on the fact the mythology concerning the legendary mons are realThat if someone were to use Dialga,Palkia or Arceus' power for evil they could rewrite all of reality to their whims. And lookie there, said lore also says they've existed long before the Pokemon world even existed. Hoho funny that, almost like the Pokemon world is NOT our world, and Pokemon themselves are just natural part of it, just as humans are.
>>57171218>this is what Arceus deniers actually believe
>>57171250>legendary Pokémon have the power to rewrite reality >powerful psychics like mewtwo can easily implant false memories in humans>not proof pokemon myth is fakeThey are nestling themselves into human history. You can't explain the products of the Industrial Revolution with the inclusion of pokemon. The steam engine never gets invented with all the endless sources of energy pokemon can give. Who wants to build a helicopter when there's pokemon to haul shit.
>>57171269>Arceus has god-like power>therefore Arceus isn't really godDid this make sense in your head before you typed it out
>>57171250>The entire main plots of DPPT and PLA is hinges on the fact the mythology concerning the legendary mons are realNope. One of the themes from the games is stated to be about “disproving myths” and the developers even outright stated that the legends are exaggerated. Cynthia even says as much in Platinum’s postgame.You can also see this in the recent teraleak, where at the end of the initial draft for the game Masuda even notes that the “power over matter and spirit” is a farce- a myth- and Cyrus is delusional.>And lookie there, said lore also says they've existed long before the Pokemon world even existedWrong here again. It states “according to legend, Arceus existed before the universe” which we know isn’t meant to be factual either way. >>57171249Ironically this still just matches up with Masuda’s notes, which state that Dialga/Palkia actually need a human conduit to use their powers effectively in the first place.
>>57171264>yeah dude Metagross created the sea and Cresselia created the land because uhh… uhh… muh totally factual circle!Still just part of the myths. Even in HGSS it’s mentioned that the Sinjoh stuff was made up by Johto and Sinnoh people compiling their legends together when they migrated.
>>57171278A powerful psionic entity is simply powerful and capable of things the human mind can comprehend. You are falling for the demiurge. Simultaneously, you are blind to the dissonance in technology, the evolution of simple things like human clothing and cotton picking, an absurdity with pokemon. Its an impossibility for humans to have evolved alongside pokemon and still developed into the human society on earth we know, and yet the humans of pokemon are ignorant due to the deep psychic abuse they have endured at the hands of legendary pokemon.
>>57171278It’s not godhttps://x.com/Junichi_Masuda/status/175734183895908352
>>57171291*can't comprehend
>>57169281>Ashnime>canonSo worthless a series they took Ash out back and shot him
Never mind the existence of job pokemon like machoke, hitmonchan etc or human derived pokemon like garbodor makes it clear pokemon are capable of rapid evolution and adaptation, or they spring out of the collective egregore of humanity, fully formed. A natural process doesn't create a monster like hitmonchan. It just doesn't. Arceus is simply the most powerful Pokémon, indistinguishable from a god for mind-raped humans.
>>57171250>That if someone were to use Dialga,Palkia or Arceus' power for evil they could rewrite all of reality to their whims.There’s nothing in the games even remotely suggesting this, only that Cyrus is a lunatic. The UMA trio showing up immediately invalidates whatever Cyrus is trying to do in DP, and Giratina showing up invalidates whatever he’s trying to do in Platinum. Then in LA, we don’t even know if Volo could have done anything with Arceus because he’s fucking delusional. The closest you could say is USUM, but even then Cyrus was kidnapped by Giratina again before he could even confirm he succeeded and thinks Lusamine’s house is his “perfect world” at first.
>>57171269>>57171280Dialga and Palkia have control over space and time. That is literally what the game lore about this says, and its proven to be true. Arecus has control over reality in lore, which is also proven to be true. What the hell do you want? Them to show you how the universe was made?
>>57171280>the legends are exaggerated. Cynthia even says as much in Platinum’s postgame.The climax of Platinum's story is Giratina literally dragging Cyrus to HellThe entire premise of PLA is that Arceus pulls you through time and space to resolve the conflict and collect its Plates, which are real objects of power leftover from its creation of the universe. The information on the Plates and the authenticity of the Plates themselves are critical aspects of the game's plot.>>57171285You're confusing myths and legends as retellings of events lost to history with fairy tales people made up. The "Sinnoh Myths" you read in the library are fables that tell a moral lesson, they have no bearing on demonstrably real power that you directly observe in the games.Like are you arguing that the weather just did that when Kyogre and Groudon showed up, what are we doing here
>>57171314>Uhhhh, it's fake because the villains are delusional about their powerAnon, they're not delusional because the power they want doesn't exist. They're delusional because they want to be gods and think they can control that powerThis isn't subtext you can miss either, this spelled out explictly in-game.
>>57171319>That is literally what the game lore about this says, and its proven to be trueThere’s nothing in the game proving this. We see them shit out some light particles in game, but nothing about this suggests they have absolute mastery over timespace or whatever.Again, Cynthia in Platinum (and confirmed by Masuda in the teraleak) says that their signature moves can distort timespace to an extent, and that their fights with one another in ancient times were exaggerated into legend as them being “rulers” of timespace.
>>57171332Again, what the fuck do you want? Them actively SHOW the birth of the Pokemon universe? All that we've seen all but points to the Sinnoh myths being real, it doesn't not become real because you decide it doesn't because of non-canon leaks that were never supposed to be seen by the public
>>57171332You will never convince PokeGod autists dude, even when Masuda directly states Arceus isn’t a god it’s not enough
>>57171328>The climax of Platinum's story is Giratina literally dragging Cyrus to HellThe distortion world is barely elaborated on. Cyrus and Cynthia give us conflicting info on whatever it’s supposed to be, and then the latter says that the myths listed it as “the spirit world” once you’re out. There’s barely anything factual there.>The entire premise of PLA is that Arceus pulls you through time and space to resolve the conflict and collect its Plates, which are real objects of power leftover from its creation of the universeNo. Arceus wishes for you to prove the bonds between people and pokemon, since the people in the Galaxy Corps and Volo reject them and choose to live in fear and loathing. We only really have the words of a vindictive religious man whom Arceus willfully ignores to go off of as to what the plates are. >demonstrably real power that you directly observe in the games.What demonstrably real power? Making portals? Hoopa and Cosmog are shown to do this- are you saying they created timespace and all of reality? >Like are you arguing that the weather just did that when Kyogre and Groudon showed up, what are we doing hereNo, just not on the scale of “creating the land/sea itself” which again, the RS interview confirmed to be the case.
>>57171348>because of non-canon leaks that were never supposed to be seen by the publicYou’re missing the part where it’s also mentioned openly in game and in public interviews, along with nothing “concrete” on the actual powers ingame beyond portals and light shows, but alright. I’m only throwing the teraleak in there as a bonus to show that it was the director/writer’s intent from the very beginning
>>57171349Because "Pokemon are actually all aliens that put their mind virus into humanity to make them believe they always existed" is clearly more believable and canon to what Pokemon is huh?
>>57171348Super strong psychic comes to earth and brain washes inhabitants to believe it has "always been here". Every single legendary does this. Its not clear if they're in control, or just passively exerting a field on the human collective psyche. Either way, effect remains the same. Pokemon likely exert some sort of collective pressure through an egregore on the human mind too. Sensitive humans can feel Pokémon's thoughts and all.
>>57171366No that's riYes Pokemon have always been here
>>57171366There's no other way to explain obviously industrial/modern aspects of human life like modern shipbuilding, fashion shows, computer tech without this aspect of it. Pokemon are ultra beasts.
>>57171365Ah yes, just like how Galar has more than 8 gyms. Masuda can say whatever the fuck he wants, but unless it's openly stated in-game it doesn't mean shit. By all logic in the game, those legends are real, and unless a character says that's not the case I see no reason to believe why it's not real.
>>57171293>>57171349Masuda is a retard.
>>57171368>>57171369>>57171374Pokemon LITERALLY has a psychic type class. There are HUMANS in lore and canon that have psychic ablities Your theory is stupid
>>57171390>Ah yes, just like how Galar has more than 8 gyms. Masuda can say whatever the fuck he wants, but unless it's openly stated in-game it doesn't mean shit.There are literally uniforms for every gym in the game, and is in fact stated in-game that there's more than eight gyms. We also meet members and eventually leaders of two of those gyms in the DLC, Klara and Avery.
>>57171410The eight gyms we fight are the Major League, the eight strongest ones. The others are Minor League shitters
>>57171407What's your argument? "Yes, pokemon can turn humans into slaves through the power of their mind"?Mewtwo molds the heroes' minds like clay. Any strong legendary does the same through passive psychic pressure. Humans adapt to this pressure by inserting the figure into "old legend", except this is at odds with human development, and never seems to fit (too many prehistoric creator beasts to go around, one or more in every region)
>>57171407Are there humans with psychic abilities? Or are there humans who have been manipulated into believing they have psychic abilities by 5000 IQ Pokemon such as Alakazam and Metagross?Why do people in the Pokemon world accept that anyway? Wouldn't somebody naturally think that was strange that these Pokemon are running around with 5000 IQ but doing nothing of note with it?
>>57170844/thread should have ended here
>>57171410Klara and Avery were trying out to be gym leaders in-game you dumb dumb, meaning they weren't when you started playing, and again this doesn't mean shit because "more than eight" implies they existed long before the player entered the picture. Also fuck you for trying to justify Masuda's double speak for getting people's hopes up for the game.
>>57171438>Klara and Avery were trying out to be gym leaders in-game you dumb dumbThey were already part of a gym, they just wanted to become the leaders
>>57170844>>57171437Retcon by definition changes the foundation of the work. We're arguing about that foundation.
>>57171415>Uhhhhh, you see the legenary Pokemon warped all of humanities minds to believe these things that have always existed were things that always existed. Shut up
>>57171443See >>57171412
>>57171444Except when the foundation you're arguing for doesn't exist and is fucking stupid.
>>57171450All the evidence points to humans having evolved alone, and pokemon slowly emerging at some point close to our time to change society. Through greater and greater psychic pressure as well as regular societal, cultural pressure, humans gradually changed their myths to incorporate these monsters. Makes sense to me!>>57171454These ideas were overt in pokemon blue and red, and gold and silver, as well as the early anime. Pokemon were a novelty people didn't really know much about, in universe. The technology level was high, and had no signs of evolving together with pokemon.
"Everything is just a psychic illusion" is "Ash is in a coma" level unfalsifiable nonsenseAs if it wasn't retarded enough already to be arguing that a made up video game world needs to have a rigorously rational made up history of technological development to explain how they made their magic spheres that defy all real physics and logic
>>57171469>These ideas were overt in pokemon blue and red, and gold and silver, as well as the early anime. Pokemon were a novelty people didn't really know much about, in universe.See>>57170844>>57170925
>>57171469>These ideas were overt in pokemon blue and red, and gold and silver, as well as the early anime. Pokemon were a novelty people didn't really know much about, in universe.Or Pokemon was a new franchise that didn't know what it was trying to be yet, and once they knew what they wanted Pokemon to be, they retconned everything that didn't fit that vision.
>>57171483Irrelevant, as newer games simply depict a world with deeper pokemon influence further shaping society. We are now multiple decades ahead in time from the days of RGB, in universe. The process has accelerated. Society is changing irreversibly.
>>57171489If someone replied to you with undeniable evidence of a Pokémon demonstrating the powers ascribed to them, you would just fall back on "that's not really happening, it's a psychic illusion"You are jerking off into your own mouth
>>57169226They didn't have to have real fish at all, even with gen 1 only they could've used Magikarp, Goldeen, Staryu, Tentacool, and a Seaking and it would have been a pretty populated aquarium frame. They just fucked it up I guess? Who knows
>>57171489The newers games depict the world with a deeper Pokemon influence, because that's the fucking point of these games. Hammering the point of humanity and nature living in harmony with each other. Again, PLA deals with this, and its canonically takes place hundreds of years before the events of RBY, when this stupid theoretical timeline of yours would happen. Or was there just a brief of the psychic mind virus took a few years off for real world animals and locations to exist again and then wiped it out again, but forgot about Kanto for some reason?
>>57171506The anime was originally only planned to last for 80 episodes and a movie, and this was episode 7, so they likely didn't want to blow their load showing off that many Water types so quickly
>>57171476>>57171485Simple appeals to the all-powerful writers won't save you. They're not in control of their own works. They hardly know what they have created in any and all cases. If they had been the creators of pokemon, they would easily be able to tell me how human life developed alongside pokemon in a rough way (100-200 year jumps if necessary). How does tech develop, how does human society? They can't, because this question points at the core of the issue - pokemon haven't developed alongside humans. You can't answer that question either, which is why you try to appeal to authority. Appeal to ignorance. Shut the line of questioning down.
>>57171521Fashion shows. Objects of mass manufacture. Bourgeois culture. City culture. The bureaucratic nation state.All an impossibility if pokemon existed with humans since the dawn of time. Your pic depicts objects of mass manufacture. Of industrial economy of scale.
>schizoposter>reddit spacing for attentionEvery time
>>57171246emerald, platinum, and hgss are all from non masuda directors. coincidentally these are the best games
>>57171500Pokemon having godlike powers is not the point of contention. It is whether the human society being depicted truly evolved along the lines being claimed. I reject this claim, on good grounds. And no one has really made a good argument for pokemon myth being real, but there's been a lot of evidence presented to the contrary, including the personal opinions of the creators of the works, that all supports the same viewpoint. I have only written about truth. No need to jump to insults because you feel threatened.
>appeal to authority. Appeal to ignorance. Shut the line of questioning down.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiabilityhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
>>57171596>still no argumentMy line of reasoning is grounded in observations of the development of human society without the necessary ingredient of pokemon presence making its presence known. That's a well founded argument, and one that hasn't been addressed by you.
>>57171625You haven't proven your premise that human society wouldn't develop if Pokémon were around. You have demonstrated a very poor understanding of anthropology, based on ridiculous claims like >>57171537 "fashion wouldn't exist if there were Pokémon."Your premise that a rational explanation must exist to explain the differences between real life and a made-up fantasy world is absurd. You have failed to propose a rational explanation anyway, since your hypothesis that everyone in the world has fallen under a mass psychic delusion is a totally unfalsifiable claim based on absolutely nothing.When I pointed this out to your earlier, you dismissed it as an "appeal to the writers," which I did not make or mention. That said, your assertion >>57171526 that you somehow have a better understanding of the creative intent of the constructed fictional world of Pokémon than the people who actually created it demonstrates that you are delusional and having any kind of rational argument with you is completely pointless.
>>57170844i retconned ur mom last night LOL
>>57169210Kind of like how Mew was spotted in Guyana.
>>57171686Explain how human society develops along the exact same lines it does now, with pokemon. This means that free energy, enormous military potential, information gather and personal protection can be controlled by single individuals. There's no need to gather in large groups for protection. Humans do not coalesce into large aggregates and form farming communities and cities as easily. There's no safety in numbers. Hence, my view that human society would look radically different, at least in some ways."Fashion shows wouldn't exist if pokemon lived on this earth since eons" was the actual argument. Its just like you to misrepresent what was actually said.And this is correct, since fashion is a concept very much the result of specific sets of conditions that do not arise under human development *with pokemon*. These are the concentration of capital in large cities, the creation of wealthy aristocracies, the importance of appearance within those aristocracies and the creation of a fashion "industry". A fashion show is essentially a very French thing. It cannot really exist outside this context - nobility, industry, empire, excess cash, excess resources. The real conceit is claiming a human society with wholly different sets of evolutionary pressures would arrive at the exact same mode of being as the French aristocracy, the French monarchy etc etc. and that the writers make this alien human society do the exact same things without changing it up in any noticeable way. You think having human society be essentially unchanged from ours is fine. I disagree. Notice also that your faggy ass posting killed the thread. Do better.
>>57172721Human society develops because humans are genetically social animals. That's literally it
>>57170812Nigga there was like dozens of these mistakes, including first game name dropping irl location and le memey indian elephants.Either way - it's all the result of Pokemon as franchise being less codified and loosely managed before TPC became a thing. It's the same reason why there's Pokemon manga created by hentai artist and you could find some questionable quality "official" goods worldwide.
>>57172721I like your thought direction - existence of Pokemon would encourage creation of smaller, close-knitted groups over the anthill-like structures that are irl metropolises. Because every small Fuckville village may or may not have trainer or two with Pokemon that can demolish small city with easy, there's incentive for peaceful coordination between groups of people with healthy dose of distance. It's how nuclear deterrence theory works irl.
>>57171349There really just needs to be a translated source for them to accept it. “Boxart legendary Pokemon have their power levels grossly exaggerated/made up” has literally been known among Japanese Pokemon fan circles for years, much like the shrinking lore, and you can see them discussing the implications of it even on just Twitter if you bother. Stuff like the Ruby/Sapphire soundtrack interview and Gamefreak’s JP only lore websites around XY-USUM’s release eras state this openly, but since they are relatively unknown and un-translated, most western fans aren’t really cognizant of a lot of Pokémon’s deeper worldbuilding. The only official Gamefreak loredump site I think got any traction was the one with all the Junji Ito art, and most people didn’t even acknowledge the fact that it also elaborated on the XY ghost girl everyone was confused over.
>>57174477>and most people didn’t even acknowledge the fact that it also elaborated on the XY ghost girl everyone was confused over.What did it say about her?
There are only pokemon in the pokemon world, it's why humans are so weird and capable of weird stuff that "we" can't do, they are just a different type of pokemonTrying to apply real world logic to the development of that world will just result in nothing make sense, truth is that the worldbuilding is all over the place and at the same time contradictory depending on anime, games, spin offs and moviesHow will we ever even make sense of how many regions of the world there is when as long Pokemon as a franchise exists the world is in a constant change of which species can be found in each region and it just takes a single retard throwing away a single mon to completely change the ecology of any given region
>>57175231>it's why humans are so weird and capable of weird stuff that "we" can't doHumans can't do the shit Pokemon can do, and the humans who do have supernatural powers are very limited in those powersHumans are not Pokemon, they're just ordinary humans who occasionally have psychic powers
>>57175246>they're just ordinary humans who [aren't ordinary humans]ok
>>57175249We never really see human psychic powers go beyond basic shit like clairvoyance, telekinesis, telepathy, and teleportation. They don't shoot lasers and energy balls like Pokemon. Avery's whole thing is that he's from a bloodline of psychics, but he's a "failure" because he only inherited telekinesis, he doesn't have any other of the other abilities.
>>57175267>We never really see human psychic powers go beyond basic shit like clairvoyance, telekinesis, telepathy, and teleportation.https://youtu.be/dK2wWCeHJlk?si=M4OqPE9yLcNFdTUZ
>>57175294Anime Sabrina was less of a psychic and more just a straight up witch
>>57175267>but he's a "failure" because he only inherited telekinesisWhich implies competent psychic humans can do shit way beyond what some normal human can do even if minor in comparison to pokemon in generalThis still would make them absurdly special, if it's hereditary it gives even more credence to humanity being some kind of "pokemon" with them having or not having certain movesThe pokemon deities in that world are still respected and at times worshipped by humansIt would make at least a bit of sense, it's still a complete headcanon but it is one i personally believe in
>>57169158that been retconned by the time Pokéco takes over. Originally, the Monsters are yet another group within the Animal Kingdom; but as their variations grew over the generations, they pretty much became the fauna of this world.
>>57175294Mewtwo should have invited her to his island in the first movie. A psychic battle between them would have been neat.
>>57169210>Real animals existed in Gen 1And yet we didn't find a single real animal ingame.
>>57169236Each new Generation should have added Pokemon to fill in the natural world building. Not fucking ice cream cones and chandeliers.
>>57177888>In the Generation I games, the Bird Keeper class has a sprite that depicts them holding a generic bird on their arm.>In artwork of Old Amber, there is a mosquito or similar insect visible within the item.>A Sailor mentions that jellyfish sometimes drift aboard the S.S. Anne.>A chef aboard the S.S. Anne mentions several meat dishes: "Eels au Barbecue", "Salmon du Salad", and "Prime Beefsteak".>Raichu Pokedex: Its electric charges can reach even 100,000 volts. Careless contact can cause even an Indian elephant to faint. >Ghastly: A being that exists as a thin gas. It can topple an Indian elephant by enveloping the prey in two seconds.>Likitung: Its tongue can be extended like a chameleon's. It leaves a tingling sensation when it licks enemies.
>>57178753>Each new Generation should have added Pokemon to fill in the natural world buildingThat's literally what happened, animals stopped appearing or being mentioned as more and more Pokemon were introduced to replace them.
>>57169158real fish
>>57170992Stay ignorant
