>Horizons was going to be Journeys 2 and Leon was gonna be a MC along with Goh and Ash but TPCi and GF opposed it>TPCi was the one that started the idea of retiring Ash>They didn't want to include Koharu and Goh in Ash's retirement episodes for being literally who's>Every single fanservice character in the anime is literally approved by TPCi and GF. Including Sango,a porn bait character, many tittied bitches in the current anime and shitton of alola episodesso why do we hate Gamefreak again?
>>57169768and yet it's flopping
>Horizons was going to be Journeys 2 and Leon was gonna be a MC along with Goh and Ash but TPCi and GF opposed itWhere tf did you get this? Your ass?
Because even the coomer bait in Pokemon fails in comparison to other shows.
>>57169768Because GameFreak make horrendously worse games overtime. I wouldn't even trust them with 2D games anymore
>>57169768Proofs?
>>57169768>many tittied bitches in the current anime and shitton of alola episodeswho?
>giving a shit about any anime beyond the age of 18
>a year later and Ashnime fans are STILL mad we didn't get a season about Ash losing in the Paldea League
>>57170210Just like he lost the Galar League!
>>57170227Kalosperms claim that one and the Alola League doesn't count for some reason
>>57169768Because the fumbled it at the thing they actually do which is making the games.Everything you described is TPC(not even TPCi), which is a different entity.
>>57169768I hear no one talking about Horizons
>>57170408>I hear no one talking about it>Check out the anime thread>They talk about itWhy are you like this?
Don't care, where's the coom
>>57170427You mean a guy who makes a thread and continues to bump it to make it look like they have a "discussion".Even the Lana thread on /a/ gets more attention than Horizon thread.
>>57170554I mean, no offense to Horizons but it's really not the type of show that would appeal to the /vp/ crowd or /a/ crowd. It's not pseudo-edgy like Adventures and it's not brazenly autistic and spontaneous like the Ashnime show.It's not bad per se but it's very obviously for like actual 10 year olds. The ashnime compensated for being a kodomo with extremely extroverted and flanderized characters, borderline anime cliche parodies (even in the JP dub), and a hyperactive vibe to the narration, Horizons doesn't really have this, all of the HZ cast are what /vp/ would call "yawnfags". I think the story is okay, rhe ashnime had even more confusing plotlines sometimes but the characters ate the main ingredient in these types of shows and in HZ well they don't carry anything.It's good in it's own right but it's not exactly what ashnimefags such as myself would be excited about straight off the JN finale. So I've been reading Adventures lately.
>>57170554>samefagging is bad mmkay>but if 3 pedos samefag a thread is now le good
>>57170554>ESL damage controlIs the idea of people talking about something you despise that horrifying that you have to deny it under the excuse of samefagging? Jesus, you sound like you should get a job, you sound asshurt.>Lana thread on /a/If you talk about this one >>>/a/274611176 where 90% of the time they either want to rape her, spam porn or talk about their oneitis then you've some really pisspoor standards to count that
I will never understand the samefag accusations. Like c'mon, just say you don't like the anime. Accusing others of samefagging unprompted sounds like either a projection or a dismissal.
>>57170588>pseudo-edgy like Adventures> brazenly autistic and spontaneouskek what>the ashnime had even more confusing plotlinesOnly ashfags can find it confusing
>>57170636>Like c'mon, just say you don't like the anime. They don't want to make it too obvious because if they do, you can easily dismiss them.
>>57170615While 90% of Pokémon Horizon thread is just spamming Liko x Dot pic , Liko porn and tweets from Anipoke PR.
>>57170588the problem with Horizons is that there's not a battletard like Ash. people here ate Journeys when it was the most gay shit ever
>>57170669I look into the horizon thread >>57160275 and the DotLiko bit is barely existent while 90% of the posts are talking about the Likonime. Why are you playing dumb?
>>57170671If you actually watched the show you'd know Roy is in it and that the characters are consistently shown to constantly be improving.>>57170669Yeah, ashfags never fapped to pokegirls nor ever made multiple generals about the girls of the ashnime.
>>57170656Have you never read Adventures? It's pretty edgy.Though the mainline game felt the need to explain the concept of death before revealing the professor had died offscrean, so really everything's edgy compared to the games.
>>57170671Problem with Pokémon 2023 is that there are no compelling character for anybody to give a dam about them.
>>57170684>Have you never read Adventures? Yes, I actually did.>It's pretty edgy.Not at all. You're just not used to non-ashnime media but pokespe never does anything edgy.
>>57170679You do know that I was talking about Pokémon 2023 thread on /a/.
>>57170691>I-i was actually talking about another threadSure sure, what helps you sleep at night.
>>57170685https://arch.b4k.co/vp/search/text/%22for%20anybody%20to%20give%20a%20dam%20about%20them.%22/You sure sound like a broken record. Not sure who you're trying to convince honestly except yourself.
>>57170690So you don't know what "edgy" means. Got it.
>>57170685>Problem with Pokémon 2023 is that there are no compelling character for anybody to give a dam about them.neither in Journeys. Chloe is the most unlikeable character ever and that' why nobody drew porn about her and Tomiyasu literally dropped Goh's goals to full becoming Ash's cheerlander in the second year of Journeys.the pokemon league and the cameos literally carried Journeys
>Inb4 babble
>>57170710>ashfags thinks he can instruct anyone else on media
>>5717067170% of complaints towards JN series would have immediately disappeared if they put a cute girl like Gloria or Green on Goh's place. Unfortunately JN series were probably handled by people with "Woke" mentality and probably is trying to use Pokémon to spread woke ideology to Japanese children.
>>57170713Yeah but you gotta admit seeing Heroes!Latias being canonized in the main show, DURING the airing was HYPE as fuck.Like it was worth all the filler to see our girl Latias being canonized and the Dawn&Serena cameos felt extremely rewarding as well.The May cameo was extremely lame though because she never said a word of dialogue or at least implied silent dialogue if the seiyuu was unavailable.
>>57170713>neither in JourneysAsh Ketchum says hi. > But he is not compelling and popular........... Because I says so.Anybody who claim this is obviously trolling. Ash is one of the most popular Anime character with a huge fanbase and nostalgia backing him up like many other long running anime protagonist like Goku and Nobita. The reason pokemon anime continued for 26 years was because Ash was still in the show and kept people hooked.
>>57170728>Bro I swear. That Latias cameo that had no impact aside from nostalgiamilking was HYPE>Yeah man, Dawn staying completely in a statis while everyone else had offscreen profession was greatUnironically, how can you defend the worst execution of fanservice? It's a fucking mess of blueballingfaggotry
>>57170738Nice to know you have the reading comprehension to find the name of an MC in a wikipedia article. Keep at it.>>57170742> It's a fucking mess of blueballingfaggotryThat's the entire ashnime. If you got to that point that's clearly what you like.
>>57170719>muh ashfagsAnon... I dropped the Ashnime in Johto.I like Adventures because it's constantly doing new things and rotating a different cast in.Compare that to the Ashnime which was 20 years of Ash losing the League, or the mainline games which are all about curbstomping some monotype gym leaders then catching the box legendary.If you think "edgy" is a negative word then maybe you should take a break from /vp/.
>>57170742Okay I remembered that I promised that I'll respect OLM after the Latias cameo so okay okay I'll stop dissing HZ and give it another chance.It's still kinda nice to do some ashnime nostalgiafagging once in a while, isn't it?)
>>57170754>If you think "edgy" is a negative word then maybe you should take a break from /vp/.I never said it is. I just said pokespe is not edgy.The idea that its edgy at all is an ashfag narrative, so if you aren't one you aren't helping your point.
>>57170755>Okay I remembered that I promisedWhat the fuck are you talking about? I don't give a shit about promises you made elsewhere, but goddamn nostalgiafaggotry means jackshit if it's done awful. Like bro, out of all the things to do in JN, they did the bare assed minimum to the point where Cilan had to get crammed into MPM and that one reduced his characterization primarily to his Detective persona while glossing over his main gig is gay as fuck. And let's not forget about all the promises that were made over the decades and yet not a single one of them were kept.
>>57170728nah I personally don't care about Horizons but like 90% of cameos in JN were lame as fuck, like Paul only appearing once to say he's now a gym leader, training ash's and goodbye.the only good thing about them is when Luis, a famous /padt/ resident got a stroke when people on twitter said Serena was a lesbian for holding hands with May.
>>57170745 Keep crying. By the way nobody gave a dam about Mew, let alone a guy's goal of catching it. JN series spend too much time shoving Goh and Koharu goal that nobody gave a dam about. JN series should have learned from "Gundam Build Fighter" and focus entirely on Pokemon World Championship
>>57170762My point was always that Adventures is edgy compared to the rest of the Pokemon IP.>The idea that its edgy at all is an ashfag narrative, so if you aren't one you aren't helping your point.I'm not caught up on /vp/'s anime general discourse to know what you're talking about here. All I'm saying is the Ashnime is fucking boring and Adventures is good. I haven't watched enough Horizons to hold much of an opinion on it, but Ash being gone is a breath of fresh air.
>>57170782I'm not Luis but I got a stroke from the May x Serena yuri accusations too.I'm not opposed to the pairing but compared to the actual TWO moments of actual ashnime yuribaiting (Dawn literally living at Cynthia's villa in BW and Millefeui womanhandling Serena with both of them blushing and ecchi squealing in XY) May x Serena was a total nothingburger.There was zero dialogue or implied dialogue they just held hands while sitting in the league peanut gallery - but I never saw people shipping Ash x Brock even though they hold hands in the show way more often.
>>57170796>Keep crying. ABout what?>JN series should have learned from "Gundam Build Fighter" and focus entirely on Pokemon World ChampionshipThe ashnime should've learned to be an actual show.
>>57170801>compared to the rest of the Pokemon IPThat's moving the goalpost.>I'm not caught up on /vp/'s anime general discourse to know what you're talking about here.I meant the literal thing said there.
>>57170824Ok, you've got to calm your tits a bit. Nta, I get where you are coming from with this but dipping into the inferring game won't help making your point Clear.
>>57170824>That's moving the goalpostNonce, you misunderstood me so I was clarifying.>I meant the literal thing said there.Holy shit. Only on /vp/ can a guy say that he dropped the Ashnime 20 years ago, that he thinks the Ashnime is boring, that he likes Adventures & Horizons because it's not about Ash, and STILL be accused of being an Ashfag.Please stop posting, anon.
>>57170840>" It's not pseudo-edgy like Adventures and it's not brazenly autistic and spontaneous like the Ashnime show." doesn't clarify any relativity to pokemon at all.Also, if you don't want to be labeled an ashfag don't act like one. It's that simple.
>>57170846If you see a guy state multiple times now that he dropped the Ashnime 20 years ago, that he thinks the Ashnime is boring, that he likes Adventures & Horizons because it's not about Ash, and you still think he's an Ashfag, then that says more about you than him.
>>57170852Right, there's no way someone could be lying. Specially people as reasonable and mature as ashfags.
>>57171571
Ash should've been booted from the show since Gen 3. There was literally no fucking reason for him to be there or any gen since
>>57170671People only put up with Journeys with the hope of seeing cameos and fanservice. No one was eating it up.>>57170720Journeys biggest problem was the low effort fanservice and it didn't cater to oldschool fans. Journeys did the bare minimum when it came to fanservice. It felt as if the writers were to scared to alienate the younger fanbase.
>>57170684Adventures is shit though, so it doesnt really matter.
>>57169768Likonimebros... we keep it on losing and there's zero htpe now. All people do is talk about Liko x Dot shipping or Liko porn...
>>57169768>Horizons was going to be Journeys 2 and Leon was gonna be a MC along with Goh and Ash but TPCi and GF opposed itActually the reasoning was revealed in the Teraleak, where a bunch of staff were fucking tired of having to write Ash into the story and keep him losing leagues to appease Yuyama's autism. SM was the first sign of pushback and JN was the point where they realized due to the ratings that Ash can no longer sustain the anime so they used MPM's 11 episodes to write him out.Goh and Koharu weren't not included because they are "literally who"s, they weren't included because MPM was designed to be an 11 episode send off specifically for older fans of the anime and naturally Misty and Brock would be the ideal characters for such a thing.Finally, no shit characters have to be approved by TCPi and GF, who do you think owns the franchise? If the anime staff went and made a product that lacks brand cohesion, they wouldn't exactly be happy. It's why every anime, no matter how original, always has a plot that loosely ties in with the games somehow and periodically brings game relevant characters into the fold. It's also why Charizard and Pikachu are still prominent in the anime.We hate Game Freak because most of us on this board are fans of the GAMES not the fucking show that has long since been a shadow of a shadow of yet another shadow of it's former self. And the games have been ass for over a decade.
>>57169768>conflating GF and TPCithe one who pushed to retire Ash was Ishihara who has never been part of GameFreak
>>57173275>Goh and Koharu weren't not included because they are "literally who"s, they weren't included because MPM was designed to be an 11 episode send off specifically for older fans of the anime and naturally Misty and Brock would be the ideal characters for such a thing.So they're literally who's, daily reminder that even fucking MAX appeared in MPM instead of them lmao
>>57174067Because he wouldn't have appeared otherwise, dicknips. It was a cameo for the sake of having included every single one of Ash's traveling companions at some point during JN's run. Let me know when he's important enough to have a speaking role.
>>57171881I like the pretense that ashfag have any sort of care for quality.
>>57169768>why do we hate Gamefreak again?because they're faggots
