What would you say is the easiest game in the series?While Pokémon is generally an easy series I think some gsmes are harder than others. From personal experience I think X and Y are the easiest. They give you multiple Mega Pokémon as gifts, two pairs of starters, free box art legendary, most trainers only having 3 Pokémon and very few of them having 4 moves, Exp Share upgrade etc.
>>57188498BW2 because it does everything XY does except doesn’t even have sky battles
>>57188498BW and it's not even close.
>>57188498Yea im thinking its pokmeon Blacked and Shite versiones (2010) (S𐐬ytendo DSi), and their sequels, Pokemon Blacked 2 and Shite 2 (2012) (S𐐬ytendo DSi), and its like, not even close, or something yeah it be like that
>>57188574Based and normal to talk like this
>>57188541Does B2W2 have the upgraded EXP. Share?Do they give you an unusually high amount of gift Pokémon, many of which are starters, can Mega Evolve or are just strong?Do most NPC Pokémon have less than 4 moves?Is the box art legendary just handed to you before you've even got 8 badges?And Sky Battles aren't even that hard. It's probably harder to get to them then to actually win the battle. X and Y has the most retarded Ai in the series.
genwar bread
>>57188565Any reasons why?
>>57188607>does bw2 have powerful gift pokemonDoes anyone on this board that defends these games play them?
>>57188498BDSP is pretty bad with the force exp share and the friendship mechanic that can heal a status effect and prevent your pokemon from being ko. If it wasn't for the beefed up Elite Four in the final hour or two, it would be by far the worst, but it has that sooo my vote goes to XY.
>>57188617Yes. I've played them about 30 times at least. To be honest I've played every game at least 25 times.
>>57188498Unless SwSh or SV or BDSP are somehow easier, you posted itIn XY the players gets access to mega evolutions(something the enemy rarely gets to use) + O powers + Exp share(the game wasn't balanced for exp share, you get a similar amount of exp to previous games when turned off, but that amount of exp multiples by 6 when turned on) + a free Lucky Egg. I am not even considering all the free fully evolved mons the game hands you. No other Pokemon game gives the player this amount of powerful tools. My Delcatty reached level 100 before I even got to E4 just by blitzing through the campaign. And I had exp share turned off. Now imagine how much more broken that would be with it turned on. You can shit on USUM, but atleast it did a much better job at balancing exp share/exp in general, amongst other things. >>57188541>>57188565These games do not give the player O powers or Exp share.They DO give the player a free lucky egg, BUT gen 5 had a mechanic that reduced the exp a Pokemon would receive significantly if they were a much higher level than their opponent. This counteracted the effects of the lucky egg in regards to over leveling a Pokemon. Gen 6 scrapped this mechanic for some reason.
>>57188615Literal easy mode, challenge mode is also easy mode, pokemon are generally strong, NPCs all suck, gift pokemon, victini available from the start, tons of legendaries available, healers on every route, routes are all linear and simple to navigate, removed features make the game simpler for stupid people, elite 4 is garbage, etc.
>>57188636Autism
>>57188617>>57188634In the main story only you get one of the starters, Zorua, Eevee and Deerling. After the Credits you can get a Happiny egg, the Shiny Gible or Dratini, which you have to earn, a bunch of fossil mons and Magikarp.
>>57188636BW and 2 have pass powers which do the exact same thing as O powers but with 3 more letters
>>57188617Nothing here is completely broken.https://www.serebii.net/black2white2/gift.shtmlThere's absolutely game breaking pokemon you can capture early like Volcarona and skill link Minccino, but they aren't free. You have to battle and capture them.
>>57188607>Does B2W2 have the upgraded EXP. Share?>Do they give you an unusually high amount of gift Pokémon, many of which are starters, can Mega Evolve or are just strong?>Do most NPC Pokémon have less than 4 moves?>Is the box art legendary just handed to you before you've even got 8 badges?Yes.>And Sky Battles aren't even that hardThey're harder than anything in Gen 5.
>>57188641If challenge mode is actually easy mode, then by your logic isn't easy mode actually challenge mode?
>>57188662If being able to completely and easily solo the game isn't broken I don't know what is.
>>57188664>blatant lie>blatant lie>blatant lie>blatant lie>blatant lie with no supporting evidence as basis
>>57188666>alsoWhy are BW fans always esl retards?
>>57188671Which of those listed giftmons are able to completely and easily solo the game?
>>57188641Easy and Challenge were only in the sequels.The NPC Ai is smarter than X and Y and Sun and Moon. Victini is only available through event and is easily missable, all the legendaries in BW are either locked to post game, after a dungeon or roaming. Only a handful of routes had healers, you had to beat them in battle first and many were out of the way. Only some of the routes were similar, plus many of them had access to much more complex side areas. What features were removed to make it simpler? Elite Four, despite each member only having four Pokémon each, were way harder than any E4 after them, except for USUM and the BBE4.
>>57188677That's my question though. Why do you consider them both modes easier than not toggling either when they have exact opposite effects?
>>57188679All of those plus the starter.
>>57188646cope>>57188655Okay I actually didn’t know that pass powers existed. I never unlocked them during my playthroughs of those games.But Gen 5 still offers the player much less exp overall and doesn’t give players access to something similar to mega evolution.
>>57188672>blatant lie with no supporting evidenceThis is your entire modus operandi.
>>57188688>unovafag doesn't know how gen 5 games workClassic lmao
>thread criticizing Gen 6>immediate wave of posts bashing Gen 5, including points that aren’t related to the topic of the threadevery fucking time
>>57188655The O powers are essentially handed to you, the Pass Powers you have to actively go out of your way to get them.
>>57188696>OP asks what the easiest games are>"NOOOO WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE EASIEST GAMES?"
>>57188696>thread asking a question>anons answerwoah
>>57188693not liking Gen 6 does not make someone a Unovafag.
>>57188664Give me some examples then. Go on.Sky Battles? Hard? Hahaha. They're piss easy, at least some Gen 5 battles have some challenge. Sky Battles just limit you to certain Pokémon, and proceed to give the other trainers the weakest things available.
>>57188692>no uNah seems like what you do. See>>57188683>>57188693>>57188693He demonstrated he does though, by correctly saying it gives less exp than XY and doesn't have Megas. What's one thing you said that's supposed to demonstrate your alleged vast knowledge of the games? Nothing.
>>57188671If that's your criteria, then XY is easy. Pretty much all the gift mons can easily solo it.
>>57188708>give some examples so I can report the post for genwarring and pretend I won
>>57188700>>57188704Gen 5 isn't easiest though so you're off topic.
>>57188696Tbh a lot of the answers that do relate to the topic are blatant lies.
>>57188714Well this is a pussy post if I've ever fucking seen one. Yes anon, give examples and substantiate your arguments, or else you lose. And stop pretending the Jannies are unovafags. Ever since the recent round of applications unovafags got purged.
>>57188706No, but being an idiot that defends the games without knowing how they work does.
>>57188683Are you listening to yourself, how is deerling game breaking material, or even non-ha Surperior??
>>57188706Hey I did that too. Honestly thought I was the only Delcatty fan.
>>57188726Sounds more like a Kalosperm.I'm a "Unovafag" and I know how these games work. The Unova games had a great exp formula that made it hard to overlevel.
>>57188708>at least some Gen 5 battles have some challengeHas anyone ever seen an example posted along with this statement?
>>57188736Lenora, Elesa, Ghetsis, Grimsley, Colress, Cynthia, that one Ace Trainer in Victory Road, the Cheren fight in Route 10.
>>57188726since you know so much about Unova, can you tell me how I can get a mega Lucario in those games?
>>57188736I've seen numerous, followed by consistent yawnfag denialism and screeching tat the whole series is easy just to avoid conceding an inch to unova
>>57188728Are you a tourist?
>>57188741I don't get why you think being retarded on purpose is useful to you.
>>57188741are you being retarded on purpose? You can't get a mega Lucario in gen 5
>>57188747Yes.
>>57188740So you're just bad, got it.
>>57188748>>57188752This wasn't even good bait but kalosperms still took itkek
>>57188753https://arch.b4k.co/vp/search/text/I%20saw%20my%20son%20drawing%20Delcatty/
>>57188758>gets baited himselfOh zoomers
>>57188752They're proving a point.
>>57188748>>57188752I would say samefag but these were posted under a minute apart.
>>57188770If they were able to prove their points they wouldn't need to hide behind faked retardation.
>>57188754So finding something challenging makes me bad? Would that mean finding something easy makes me good? In that case Im good at Pokémon X and Pokémon Y for the Nintendo 3DS.
>>57188498I sleepwalked through Sword so probably that one.
>>57188498>What would you say is the easiest game in the series?Probably Red and Blue. It's the first game so they didn't care about movesets at all, and all you really need is something that learns Slash or Razor Leaf or is just Psychic Type to destroy the game.
>>57188780Depending on what it is, yes. How is this a hard concept to grasp for you? If you can't do something that everyone else can, including children and disabled people, then you are bad at that thing. >Would that mean finding something easy makes me good?Yes, do you think being good at things like pokemon single player is impressive?
>>57188817It's not a concept that's hard for me to grasp. But it seems to be for you. I never said I couldn't do something, rather I just found it somewhat challenging. Being good at Pokémon isn't really that impressive as the series is known for being easy, sure there are some hard parts here and there, but for the most part it's pretty easy. Only people I've ever met who consistently find it hard are children.
>>57188498Different people find different things hard. Difficulty isn't really an objective thing.From what I can gather online, X and Y are generally believed to be the easiest in the series. I haven't played them myself, so I can't judge, out of the ones I have played, it'd be Sword and Shield.
>>57188498XY, by far. every other answer is a bad faith contrarian
>>57188498XY is the easiest mainly because the NPC trainers are an absolute embarrassment even compared to Kanto.
>>57188903>>57188896>>57188888Stop sametrannying
>>57188907no.
>>57188907Why do you think that?
>>57188929Projection is the bread and butter of 4chan schizo-posting.
>>57188896>postgame teams
>>57188498It's honestly hard NOT to argue XY...>get TWO starters, which is basically a free 530~>free (Mega) Lucario>free Mega for your KANTOOOOO starter>gym leaders 3-8 have only 3 pokemon each, many of which are surprisingly weak choices>your rivals are a joke>considered the easiest games to nuzlocke by the majority, which even putting aside your feelings on nuzlocking, is still handicapping what mons you can useI think the only fight that can be a challenge is the final fight with Lysandre in the game.
>>57188948Only fight I found hard personally was the Mega Lucario fight, which probably isn't even that hard. I just keep losing it because Korrina's Lucario always seems to outspeed.
>>57188721>give examples and substantiate your arguments so I can just say nuh uh while not providing any examples and substantiating my arguments myself
>>57188948That's not all, there's also two, really strong ingame trades that are quite early on.1. Luvdisc for Steelix. You get a fucking Steelix. It's a really strong Pokémon.2. Gyarados for Magikarp. It seems stupid at first, but, the Magikarp has three guaranteed perfect IVs and also due to being a different OT, it levels up faster.That's not to mention the essentially free Snorlax you encounter even earlier and the even easier to obtain Box Art Legendary, which you are forced to catch. You catch it before the 8th gym. While other games do give you free legendaries, they usually don't have enhanced catch rates and often times are optional. In BW, you don't get the legendary until right before the two final bosses.
>>57188968Anon it's your claim BW's easy. I don't need evidence to point out the fact that you lack evidence.>>57188775Yeah but it's your camp who said this>>57188664, heavily implying it
>>57189009Anon it's your claim XY's easy. I don't need evidence to point out the fact that you lack evidence.
>>57189044>parrots when it doesn't applyPlenty of evidence was posted against XY, unlike for the Gen 5 games. You just responded with "NOOO IT APPLIES TO OTHER GAMES" when it objectively doesn't, as well as blatant deflection
>>57189044Our evidence is the games themselves. Read our critiques, then play the game.
>>57189065>Plenty of evidence was posted against XYPlenty of evidence was posted against BW>>57189067>Our evidence is the games themselvesJust like BW
>>57189069>Plenty of evidence was posted against BWHuh, I don't see it. All I see is criticisms against XY, and then (You) pretending those same criticisms apply to BW when they factually do not, like getting the box legend before a badge, having Megas, the exp share overhaul, etc.>pretendingnice try
>>57189069Could you point out the evidence you posted?I've been looking through the thread and can't find it.
>>57189065>Plenty of evidence was posted against XYHuh, I don't see it. All I see is criticisms against BW. Could you point out the evidence you posted? I've been looking through the thread and can't find it.
>>57189110>>57188896
>>57189132That literally goes against your point.
>>57188498LGPE, because have you tried playing it?I'd rank gen 6 second though, because they reworked how exp worked but didn't rebalance the levels of opponents to compensate until gen 7. If more than 1 Pokemon fights, 1-5 would take the exp that 1 Pokemon would have gotten and divide it between all battlers. Now with 6+, everybody gets the same total amount they would have got if they were the only battler. And exp share used to take off half of the total and give it to whoever held the item. Now it doesn't reduce the exp received by battlers, but adds 50% of that for everybody who didn't battle, too.
>>57189138it doesn't?
>>57189132>posts an example where XY is harder????
>>57189150It does. The image provided compares a BW post game rival battle to an XY post game rival battle. You can tell the XY battle was meant to be easier because some of the Pokémon don't have 4 moves and some have shit moves. In BW they all have decent movesets and held items.
>>57188896>Postgame>Three (3) movesKalosisters, our response?
>>57188896>Shitpard>Shitmonkey>Shitfezant>Overgrow ShitperiorLook I'm not a fan of XY either but you could have picked far better examples than the rivals. Every Unova rival is held back by the obligatory monkey. While your XY team will be pretty busted, if we look at these parties purely in a vacuum, the XY one is better.
>>57188896>Surf Haxorus3 moves would unironically be better just so there's a 0% chance the dogshit AI picks it
Im gonna throw a curveball and say gen 3. Name 1 hard fight in there. Protip, you cant.
>>57188896Ignoring movesets, abilities and items, XY wins, including those, BW wins in a landslide.
>>57189248Route 110 Rival
>>57189254>BW wins in a landslideWith all those shitmons? lmao nah
XY > BDSP > LGPE > SwSh > ORAS > SM > SV > USUM > the rest of the mainline gamesMy reasoning is that all of these games include heaps of good Pokemon in their regional dexes that trivialize the game and certain gimmicks exacerbate their power against NPC trainers.>USUM, SV, SMHave many easily accessible good Pokemon but feature trainers or bosses with naturally strong Pokemon. Z-moves add an element of unpredictability with when the NPC decides to use them while SV features multiple more difficult trainers.>ORAS, SwSh, LGPEHanded powerful Pokemon to breeze through the game but they're tied to progression. Generally bad trainers.>XY, BDSPHanded powerful Pokemon tied through progression when the game is already easy. BDSP features difficult fights but the friendship buffs completely trivialize them.
>>57189264Meme fight
>>57188964True, in the same way that the first rival fight in most games is the most difficult fight in the game, because it's the only one you can't win every time
>>57189147Only correct answer ITT. Especially considering two player mode. But no one will list it because no one here's played it
>>57189270Trust me, that fight is considerably harder.
>>57189324I don’t think I trust the opinion of someone who’s terrible at Pokemon games.
>>57189330It's still an easy fight, it just isn't entirely mashing A like the other fight is. This one may actually do some damage to a few mons. Also I'm probably far better at Pokémon than you.
>>57189337>it just isn't entirely mashing AAgain, I don’t think I trust the opinion of someone who’s terrible at Pokemon games.>>57189338>all this text>can’t actually explain how the game is bad beyond spamming meaningless buzzwordsKEK
>>57189338Soulless started with SwSh anonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz7cIIG00jUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MODPRyFTsc4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxvnNU97YGUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0w3eVXTZ88https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztz2u94I5Kshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhynmAiTb10
>>57189346I explained how they’re bad. In addition to what I said they’re bumfuck easy, have no postgame, and kickstarted the trend of game freak realizing they didn’t have to try anymore because people like you exist. >>57189347SwSh are bad too. But by the time they came out I had lost all hope for the series so it didn’t hurt as much as XY did.
>>57189361>I explainedno you didn't>they’re bumfuck easyyes, it's a pokemon game>have no postgame1. this is a lie2. this has literally no relevance to the game's quality>and kickstarted the trend of game freak realizing they didn’t have to try anymoreand yet you can't actually explain how the game doesn't try anymore
>>57189346Why do you think I'm terrible at Pokémon games?Plus what's wrong with being bad at something? Why does that make someone untrustworthy?
>>57189377I don’t know what you think you’re doing. I guess in your mind you’re taking an epic last stand against me, defending your favorite game that I am unfairly trashing, but you’re just wrong. I also don’t care about you. Your smarmy passive aggressive faggoty attempt to “own” me has no effect on me because I don’t consider you a real person.
>>57189402>Why do you think I'm terrible at Pokémon games?>it just isn't entirely mashing A>Why does that make someone untrustworthy?If you're terrible at a game as easy as Pokemon it demonstrates you have such poor knowledge of the games that your opinions aren't worth taking seriously.
>>57189406Pokémon isn't just mashing A, it has never been just that. All game have at least one battle where you have to switch moves before continuing the mash fest.And you can have a ton of knowledge of something and still be bad of it. I know how pretty much every mechanic in Pokémon works, yet I'm terrible at a lot of them.
>>57189436>Pokémon isn't just mashing AThanks for proving my point.
why are any of you people mashing A in games with a touch screen
>>57189406But you fail your own test because you have stated you struggled with sky battles, USUM, and PLA before.
>>57189442broke my fingers
>>57189377>denies actual explanations without providing rebuttals>claims all of them are easy after it was just shown that XY is easier than the others (no rebuttal to this provided anywhere)>ignore the fact that the postgame was shrunken, the total content was shrunken, and say it doesn’t matter whenever it’s a criteria XY happens to not succeed in>deny every explanation given without actually refuting any whatsoever>>57189437>have no argument except extremely shallow and worthless ad hominemWhy are the Kalosfags like this? Did no one teach you how to argue properly? You have to actually refute point by point instead of mass post denial and “no u”.
>>57189458>But [FANFIC]
>>57189463>actual explanationswhere>after it was just shown that XY is easierwhere>ignore the fact that the postgame was shrunkenthis has literally no relevance to the game's quality>deny every explanationwhere
>>57189338XY actually had mega soul.
the fact that anyone is saying anything other than LGPE is proof of how brainrotted this place is by pointless genwars
>>57188498i would say ORAS is easier than XY by virtue of having all the same problems but one of the overpowered gift megas is lati@s. them being a remake of RSE doesn't help either because you have a very clear difficulty baseline that ORAS demonstrably falls shy of, and that says a lot given RSE themselves are not particularly difficult either. except tate and liza in emerald and i'll die on that hill.anyways i can already smell yawnfag in this thread, reminder not to reply to him.
>>57189493does lgpe even count? it's like a weird little subseries game tailor made for preschoolers. i don't think it's a level playing field.
>>57189512>game tailor made for preschoolersSo just like every Pokemon game?
>>57189516easy to say but a little disengenuous, don't you think? most of the games are designed for kids a little older than the target audience of lgpe, there's a very wide developmental gulf between a 4 year old and a 10 year old.
>>57189512>>57189522It's still a mainline pokemon game, in the same way that PLA is. And it was not made for 4 year Olds, it was made for people who played pokemon go in 2016 and had never played another (non mobile) game before. Remember that casuals are worse at games than children
>>57189458I find it funny they struggled with Sky Battles. None of them are even remotely challenging.
>>57189543I find it funny they struggled with gen 5 Battles. None of them are even remotely challenging.
>>57189486>denies againAll those “where’s” are answered by “in this thread” via screenshots and examples.>it has no relevance because it’s a criteria my favorite game happens to fail inNice cope>>57189546Wrong, they were harder than XY’s by a mile, according the the post that even you quoted kek
>>57189486Okay there are explanations in the following >>57188498>>57188636>>57188680>>57188697>>57188709>>57188713
>>57189543Wrong, they were harder than BW’s by a mile, according the the post that even you quoted kek
>>57188498BW. It's a single fucking road.
>>57189557>parotting<the statement becomes false>”the postgame you quoted” suddenly doesn’t apply in reverseParrotfags deserve the rope>>57189565Wrong, it was full of exploration
>>57189565truth nuke
>>57189578>>57189575>>57189565kys sagie
>>57189565Samefag nuke>>57189565Your “single road” sir
>>57189581You okay anon? Is boogeymanfagging making you go insane?
>>57189581I concede.
What the fuck?
>>>57189578(You)>>>57189575(You)>>>57189565(You)>kys sagie
Nope, still just me
>>57189529shit, kinda true... at any rate it's still dramatically easier than every other game to the point its inclusion trivializes all other discussion, and i still think it's substantially mechanically different enough to be considered separately. i also think this about PLA even though i acknowledge it as mainline when i say it's my favorite game, lol
she caughted me. . .
>>57189611Nah
>>57189617go to bed timmy
>>57189619Ok, I’ll sleep soundly while you seethe and edit mass screenshots for no reason
>>57189610It's easy to think of as a spinoff when you're only thinking of pokemon, since every other main entry is so similar. But it's normal for game series to differ a bit on game play mechanics between series. Is mario party 9 a spinoff because the movement is different? Is GTA 3 a spinoff when it's so different to 1 and 2?TPC has also confirmed both LGPE and PLA to not be spinoffs, so there's that
>>57189546Now you're just mocking me.Ask anyone anywhere whether BW or XY is harder. BW is the answer. Why?1. It introduced a brand new Experience formula. Basically, the higher your level is compared to your opponent, the less experience you get. This can be seen in game. There's also videos and documents explaining it. XY removed this formula for some reason. It also introduced the reworked Exp. Share, which now gives full experience to every team member. Again there's documentation and videos explaining it.2. Pokémon gifts. BW only has a handful of gift Pokémon. There's obviously the starter, then one of the elemental monkeys, after that there's a either Archen or Tirtouga and Larvesta. There's also Zorua but that's technically locked behind an event. The rest are locked to post game. XY has two sets of starters, one of which can Mega Evolve, a Lucario which can Mega Evolve and a Lapras.3. Challenging battles. Unova has quite a few battles that the average player will likely struggle at least a bit. An example is Lennora, her Herdier likely won't me much of a threat. The scary part is Watchog, at this point in the game, it easily outspeeds most of the Pokémon you'd have available. It runs Retaliate, which hits harder if Herdier was KO'ed the previous turn, and Hypnosis, which can catch you off guard. At least Cheren gives you a few Chesto Berries. XY doesn't really have any challenging battles outside of the Battle Maison. You keep mentioning Sky Battles but haven't mentioned any specific ones that you found challenging, nor did you mention anything else in XY.There's more points but I'll stick with these for now.
>>57189641You cant even spell the names correctly. These chinese bots have just gotten worse and worse.
>>57189647What names did I misspell?I double-checked and triple-checked the spellings with what's written ingame. Also pointing out misspelled words doesn't automatically destroy the argument.
>>57189651Quadruple check again, Ching Wang.
>>57189651You're right and you owned his stupid ass but you did spell Lenora wrong
>>57189147i'm surprised it took this fucking long for the correct answer to be posted
>>57189666Oh shit you're right. I must've accidentally typed N twice.
>>57188948>>57188989>victini before gym 1
BW gives you free Deoxys and Mewtwo and Sinnoh legendaries as gifts. Cant get any easier than that.
>>57189702You can't get it before the first gym. You need at least two iirc. You can't even get to Castelia City, where the pier is until you've cleared Pinwheel Forest of Team Plasma, which doesn't happen until you get the Basic Badge from Lenora, the second Gym Leader.Plus Victini isn't free. 1. It requires Mystery Gift.2. You have to fight through a few Plasma Grunts3. It has a really low catch rate and will be difficult to catch.
>>57189641>the scariest fight in unova is a watchog with hypnosis that you get chesto berries immediately before
>>57189720Mystery Gifts aren't exactly intended to be used during a playthrough unless it's something advertised that way, none of those gifts were advertised like that. Otherwise XY and ORAS also get a bunch of Level 100 Mythicals, you can't access them anymore, but just like the DS Era DNS Exploit, it's only a matter of time.
>>57189632>leaves for a year>comes back just fir his favorite ecelebI wonder what color you are lmao
>>57189728>Mystery Gifts aren't exactly intended to be used during a playthrough unless it's something advertised that wayWeird headcanon but okay
>>57189725It's not. That's an early example. You only get three berries. Most players lose at least one mon. A slightly later challenge is Elesa and her evil Emolga. I like how the game encourages you to catch a Ground type when 2/3s of her team is immune to Ground type moves.
>>57189735The point is, they don't intend for players to use Mystery Gift Pokémon until you're at the right level to use them, most MG mons have different OTs.
>>57189721My bad, I forgot how hard fighting a few grunts was. Too bad there isn't a like a security guard or something to heal you after.
>>57189740>only 3 chesto berries to combat 1 hypnosis userVery tough!
>>57189749The hard part is catching the fucker. Also it's only Level 15, when your team is usually 20-25. Ifyou accidentally KO it, well better hope you saved, it's not repawning until you beat the game.
>>57189758It's tough for the early game. I've since learned to just use Roggenrola. Give it a Chesto Berry and it's safe.
>>57189769>it's hard because you KO it too easily>>57189775>this long to learn how type charts and stats workUnovabros...
>>57189787I learned that shit when I was 10, around when I started playing. It's not hard. Also KOing it easily isn't even that bad. You can either reload, or wait until post game.
>>57189641>Ask anyone anywhere whether BW or XY is harderAnyone? Or just people who are completely terrible at the games like you are? Because anyone above 50 IQ probably wouldn’t be able to tell you which is harder. They play literally the same.
>>57189804Even if two things are brainlessly easy, one can still be harder then the other.
>>57189641>Ask anyone anywhere whether BW or XY is harder. BW is the answerThe OP asked and got several different answers. Why are you even trying this desperate appeal?
>>57189807Is 35+37 harder than 1+1 to you?
>>57189813Yes. But I can still figure it out pretty easily.35+37 =72, 1+1 = 2
>>57189823For many people they're equally easy.
>>57189836And for many others, the first one will require slightly more effort.
>>57189808They got many reasons why BW is harder but literally nothing about XY
I found XY quite easy. I'd say it's post game battle facility was the easiest.
>>57190234SAGIE FORGOT TO SAGE KEKAROO
>>57190241Who is sage?
>>57189274your reasoning is dumbSV are by default the easiest because the open world allows you to get literally anything, and even if a pokemon is only available at a level too high to use, you can always breed it and hatch it within 5 minutesMeowscarada by itself with a high power guaranteed crit move and good speed also destroys absolutely everything the game throws at youOther games like SwSh definitely hold your hand a lot and are more linear, but if you know what you're doing SV are the easiest to break and will feel like they don't even pose a challengeyou can farm exp with autobattling while walking to the next gym, it's fucking retarded, there is no challenge whatsoevermeanwhile having recently finished Alpha Sapphire, I'd say those were alright. Not hard, but without farming I did end up with my main 2 pokemon at lv45 when I caught Deoxys, it definitely doesn't give you enough exp to steamroll the game (but the trainers themselves aren't much)
>>57188607>>57188636Are you autists actually totally incapable of reading obvious sarcasm
>>57190669>um you didn't laugh at my joke? big yikes downvoted.
>>57188498ORAS is the easiest you get an insane amount of free shit and I don’t think they redesigned the level curve around the xP share
>>57188636>USUMI'd say USUM has difficult battles early on in the form of the totem pokemons. They are fairly strong compared to you and your skillset. But the further you get, like in all pokemon games, you start getting the high power skills and start one shotting stuff.
>>57188498Sword and Shield
>>57190726yes beginning of the game is usually the 'hardest' part of a Pokemon game.
>>57190753Yeah, but USUM is the first time I felt the beginning was actually difficult.
>>57190755Really? I didn’t really get that feeling, unless if by that you mean harder to get past all of the dialogue.
>>57190681You got baited by an unfunny retard pretending to be retarded, don't be ashamed, It happens when you're new
>>57190765The only other early difficult pokemon I've played was GSC due to Miltank. Otherwise all of the pokemon games are super easy early on. USUM also have Ultra Necrozma later on.
>>57188752>>57188748dumbest posts in this thread
>>57188607>Do they give you an unusually high amount of gift Pokémon, many of which are starters, can Mega Evolve or are just strong?Yes. BW2 on launch gave you a free Genesect. If you played the easy 3DS minigame you would also get Tornadus, Thundurus, and Landorus with your OT in the starting town. If you owned any DS games, then through the same method you would also have access to each of their respective box legendaries (with hidden abilities, which matters a lot for the HGSS ones at least). You could legitimately have a team of Genesect, regenerator Ho-oh, Palkia, and Lando-T before reaching the catching tutorial.
>>57189807Not really.
>>57188603Everyone should talk like this, and the fact that people don't makes me so sad
No, it's probably main campaign BDSP, or DLC-less SS. If we're talking about the entire video game though, BDSP has a fairly hard battle Tower, and there's arguments that the DLC fights in SS are hard (I wouldn't say so personally but you can argue the point). XY has zero arguments for difficulty, every campaign fight is excessively easy, every normal post-game fight uses the same game design principals as the main game (which is to say, no items or interesting team building choices), and the AI in the Battle Maison is so easy to fuck with that if it weren't for the SS Battle Tower having zero punishment for failure other than wasting your time it would be the easiest battle facility in the franchise (at least there's a possibility you'll lose to some insane combo of RNG, unlikely as it may be). But yeah, I think as the overall package XY is definitely a contender, as it lacks "that one fight" that previous games had (off the top of my head, Whitney, Cynthia, Elesa, and Clay, and I'm sure there's examples from Gen 1/3 that I've forgotten since I played them so much).If we're talking hardest games it's definitely the GameCube ones, Gen 7 if we don't count the Genius Sonority titles. Gen 7 has all the same anti-difficulty features as XY, but if you ignore them you actually have a decently hard game (if you don't ignore them the game is arguably still easier than the previous games). XY's anti-difficulty features make an easy game even easier.
>>57190861>Elesa, and Clay>remotely difficultsometimes I genuinely wish I was retarded so I could enjoy the DS games the same way you guys do
>>57190865Emolga is difficult in the same way Miltank is, it can easily catch you off guard. On the other hand, Excadrill is just a good Pokemon and has the same snowballing potential as Miltank if you don't have a good way to get around steel's defensiveness in your team of 6 Pokemon while you're playing on set mode. Interestingly, playing like a retarded child overleveling your starter might actually make it easier, and given how Yawnfag usually plays that could be the case (although admittedly he's never actually beaten BW that way, which is impressively retarded given speedrunners can do it). Compare that to XY, where there's zero possibility of fun or interesting fights. Then again, Yawnfag does think Totem Kommo-o is hard, the easiest fucking totem fight outside of the first one, and thinks Battle Maison Triples are good and not the most braindead shit for 200 battles before you give up because it's so boring, so his version of difficulty seems to be based on the number of Pokemon on screen and how laggy the game is.
>>57190861Definitely BDSP and SS if we count DLC. Dynamax acailavle before the first gym gives you as many legendaries as you want at 70 and you can lose the required battle to get to them. BDSP gives you a mew and jirachi, but they’re low level.
>>57190898>Emolga is difficult in the same way Miltank isIn that only retards who have zero understanding of the fundamentals of the game lose to it because they wasted all their exp training 6+ shitmons evenly like an idiot and they also don’t know how revives and potions work?You know XY also has hard fights if you play like an utter retard who wastes a ton of exp and ignores half the mechanics in the game too, right?
>>57190898>be retarded enough to train 6 pokemon even though there’s literally no benefit to doing so>also be retarded enough to make none of them have an advantage against steel>in a game that hands out tons of broken fire, ground, and fighting types like fucking candysometimes I genuinely wish I was retarded so I could enjoy the DS games the same way you guys do
>>57190937>even though there’s literally no benefit to doing sothe benefit is having fun and making more friends
>>57190930Why is your defense always “you just suck lol” without addressing substance? It’s about playing the games in the same way and seeing that XY is easier. I don’t care if it’s one mon, two mons, or six mons. All those things the guy you responded to said don’t actually change. XY has been criticized for being easiER than BW without even having to bring up that it ALSO has revives, potions, etc.We’re talking about which is easier and we clearly have our answer in XY, which makes you screech.
>>57190861> DLC-less SSSS with DLC is even easier if you know where to go. The Dynamax Adventures tutorial rewards you with a free lv 60 Suicune, and you can do this before even facing the first gym.
>>57190930>>57190937There is no reason to NOT use a full team. You’re actually the one playing worse.
>>57190947>Why is your defense always “you just suck lol” Because you actually do just suck.>It’s about playing the games in the same way If I play XY in the same way, i.e. wasting a metric fuck ton of exp for no reason while having incredibly bad team building skills, while also arbitrarily ignoring mechanics, then yes, XY will also be hard. What’s your point?
>>57190930In that only retards who have zero understanding of the fundamentals of the game lose to it because they wasted all their exp training 6+ shitmons evenly like an idiot and they also don’t know how revives and potions work?Using 6 Pokemon is one of the fundamentals of the game, and not using items and playing on set mode are how multiplayer is played so it's just bringing the experience closer to that.>You know XY also has hard fights if you play like an utter retard who wastes a ton of exp and ignores half the mechanics in the game too, right?Then why can nobody name a single one? Like, across the entire internet you never hear about that shit. People constantly bring up Whitney and a few of the totems as examples of actually difficult Pokemon battles, surely you can dig up some examples or have an anecdote for this sort of thing.>>57190937>be retarded enough to train 6 pokemon even though there’s literally no benefit to doing soThe benefit is having another Pokemon, there's a large number of reasons to do so (type coverage, HMs, EXP scaling means overleveling a single Pokemon is wasting EXP)>also be retarded enough to make none of them have an advantage against steelThat is a personal problem, but given it's the ground gym there is a certain expectation that Drillbur does not prepare you for (the Emolga example is way worse though)>in a game that hands out tons of broken fire, ground, and fighting types like fucking candyA lot of them are in optional areas, but you are correct that you will probably have them because why wouldn't you explore.>>57190959>then yes, XY will also be hard.Prove it, do a play-through of it right now.
>>57188753based honestychad
Pokemon games ranked by difficulty Emerald/Platinum/USUM > BW/BW2 > DP/RS/SM > FRLG/XY > LGPE
>>57190961>Using 6 Pokemon is one of the fundamentals of the game,No, training 6 Pokemon evenly isn’t one of the fundamentals of the game. Who told you this? And why are you retarded enough to believe it?>and playing on set mode are how multiplayer is playedSingle player isn’t multiplayer. Stop trying to use singleplayer mode as a coping mechanism for you being too scared to touch multiplayer because of how terrible at the game you are. Set mode shouldn’t even be relevant anyway because the campaign NPCs are so retardedly easy that there’s virtually never a reason to actually switch out your Pokemon.>Then why can nobody name a single one?Grant. See? I named one. I could actually just name any NPC because any of them can be hard if you’re terrible at the game.
>>57189728Not sure what the other anon is on about, but the Sinnoh legends in BW2 at least aren’t mystery gifts. They’re mons you’d get from Dream Radar with your OT, that automatically scale to your level based on how many badges you’ve collected. If you deposit them in your box at the start of the game, they’re level 5. Same goes for the Lugia/Ho-oh with their hidden abilities, and the therian genies. Gamefreak intentionally made the feature expecting kids to obtain boxart legendaries and genies before picking up a single badge.
>>57188498Absolutely X/YEspecially coming off of the gen 5 games, it was the first Pokemon game where I just kind of felt like “that’s it?” After the initial elite four battle.Compare that to Black and White, which had an epic story finale that felt satisfying…. But you were still only halfway done with the fucking game! My memories with X/Y after the E4 boil down to being disappointed by the Zygarde “dungeon” (this is when caves were being whittled away at) and running back and forth to impress my friends with a shiny aggron (it had the wrong nature). There was nothing even remotely close to Lacunosa town and Kyurem, the cynthia jumpscare, the underground ruins, the one town where the sound track got more instrumentals as you defeated trainers. Just more hollow Kanto pandering and a half baked legendary who didn’t even get to have his storyline in Gen 6. You can pinpoint the exact moment the series went to shit. It was X/Y. gen 7 was okay, but at that point the damage had been donePeople who defend gen 6 are trannies and women who are upset old fans reject fairy types btw. Its why they hate gen 5 so much, it introduces a lot of “cool” dragon mons and it’s arguably the last gen where dragon mons got to have a decent status as a powerful type. Its also why they can’t formulate actual responses to answers given in this thread, just insults (estrogen = high emotionality and less use of logic)Fuck X/Y faggots for ruining a great series. peace out.
>>57190973>it’s not a fundamental even though it’s the only encouraged way of playing>the afterthought of multiplayer is somehow more important than 99% of the actual game>I can name an NPC without explaining anything hard about it and without anyone ever mentioning that NOC was ever hardThanks for conceding
>>57190994>Compare that to Black and White, which had an epic story finale that felt satisfyingAfter the short as fuck campaign that blocked off 1/3 of the region?Not really.
>>57191009>deflects away from the climax downgrade XY had without answering that point>pretends the game doesn’t exist after the credits roll Please try again.
>>57190994note how this entire post doesn’t actually give a real justification for XY being bad and is just someone bitching about a game not locking content to after the credits for no reasonit’s like screeching about BOTW being a bad game because all the content is before Ganon
>>57189274USUM is the most challenging mainline game, harder than Yellow.
>>57191009Yes, and 1/3rd of Unova is worth a hell of a lot more than like 90% of XY. The only memorable zone for me was the snowstorm area you pass by once because there was an interesting impediment to your travel. Others i remember for being extremely fucking disappointing (the factory in the desert that’s clearly cut content)
>>57190959>you just do because I say soThanks for conceding >wasting expStopped right there. What the FUCK are you even babbling about here?
>>57191023>Yes, and 1/3rd of Unova is worth a hell of a lot more than like 90% of XYnot really
>>57191018Are you blind by any chance? That’s not at all what that post said. Pro tip: you have to actually EXPLAIN why your opponent is wrong, not just say “that’s wrong lol” and pretend you won somehow.
>>57191034Yes really. Lumiose is the only worthwhile city, while Unova cities almost all have something interesting to return to. It also has way better dungeons.
>>57191034Ok cool post. Thanks for wasting more space in this thread for a total fucking non response, just like you do on /vp/ whenever anyone criticizes your piece of shit game
>>57191042"Your" game?
About to face the first gym in Shield, my tea is Sobble (level 12), Suicune (level 70), Uxie (level 70), Moltres (level 70), Zapdos (level 70), and Giratina base forme (level 70). I feel like I’m cooked since too much type overlap and half of these are set up sweepers. Do I have a shot?
>>57191035>That’s not at all what that post said. Yes it is. The entire post is screeching about content not being locked to after the E4.Pro tip: You have to actually EXPLAIN how the game is bad instead of just saying it’s bad>>57191038>while Unova cities almost all have something interesting to return tonot really>>57191042>makes a non response>is responded to with another non response>surprisedpikachu.jpg
>>57191053>not reallyMastertul claim, Xir.
>>57191076>I can't remember itMastertul claim, Xir.
>>57191053>Yes it is + parrotThat post was an explanation of XY’s faults that you didn’t even read properly.>not really Yes really.>makes a non responseNope. People give real arguments and you just respond with “that’s not an argument” to pretend you won. Please actually explain SOMETHING.>>57191088No one said this. People said “it’s shit” for various reasons which was followed by you coping.
>>57191097>No one said this>>57191023>The only memorable zone for me was
>>57191099You seem to be conflating an individual remembering something with its inherent memorability.
>>57190961>The benefit is having another PokemonIt's clearly not a benefit if you're losing to NPCs even 5 year olds are able to breeze past.>That is a personal problemCorrect, it's a personal problem, which is you being terrible at the game.>A lot of them are in optional areas,Yeah, if you're retarded and skip all the content while still somehow also wasting a ton of time wasting exp, the game will be difficult.
>>57191105>It's clearly not a benefit if [anecdote I invented]So you have no argument, got it.>the way types work is a personal problemYou need multiple mons and if you don't use multiple, you suck.>skip contentThe point is that it takes more effort to get access to them, so the game isn't as easy as "handing you" those options like you claimed.>wasting a ton of time wasting expWhat play style are you referring to y saying this? This seems to apply more to you than anyone else.
>>57191119>I-I'm losing at NPCs even 5 year olds are able to breeze past b-b-but you're the one who sucks!KEK peak projection>The point is that it takes more effort to get access to themIt also takes more effort to waste exp like a retard just to have a WORSE team. This isn't an argument.>What play style are you referring to y saying this? Yours.
>>57191124>again with the anecdoteno argument>you're the one who sucksYes, because you play the worse way.>waste exp + worse teamHow am I doing these? Seems to apply to your play style more.>Yours.How do I do that? If anything it applies to your play stye more.
"you're actually bad at the game because you don't lose to bosses in a game designed for literal toddlers like I do" will always be one of the most hilarious copes in existence
>greentext point by pointersAutism
>>57190031And those people are stupid. Do you understand now?
>>57190937>>57190961>not being able to beat the game with a team of 6Bad and not white
>>57191422I do have a team of six. My lv80 Infernape, my lv47 Dialga, and my 4 HM slaves.
>>57191437>needs 4 pokemon to cover all the HMslmao bad at the game
>>57191437To have a team of 6, the difference between the highest and lowest level mon must be less than 10, otherwise it doesn't count
>>57191437>needing hm slavesFurther confirmation of how bad you are.
>>57191439>>57191445>>57191455>NOOOO YOU NEED TO FOLLOW MY ARBITRARY FANFIC RULES OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!
>>57191458mad cuz bad
>>57191460>>57191174
>>57191458No one is saying that. You're just bad if you can't train a relatively even leveled team of 6 and need to use hm slaves.
I need to know how old yawnfag is so I can calculate roughly what year he will die of old age and this board will be tolerable again
>>57191475You think everyone is yawnfag so good luck.
>>57191475only a 3 year old would think XY is hard so you've got a long wait
>>57191467>>57191174
>>57191464>>57191481>no argumentkwab
>it's easy if you just train 1 pokemon>it's still easy if you train 6>reeeeeeeeeeAm I missing anything?
>>57191494the fact that HMs are a really difficult and mindboggling feature apparently, it takes a lot of effort to put one on your mon and press a
>>57191418No, it’s just a fact that difficulty is a spectrum.>>57191494Prove that second line is true for pre-XY games. XY was shown ITT do be easy even with 6 even ones.
>I have to train 6 pokemon because training 6 pokemon gives me advantage!>NOOO YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE FEWER THAN 6 POKEMON YOU’RE MAKING THE GAME TOO EASY!which is it? It can’t be both.
>>57191535>I have to train 6 pokemon because training 6 pokemon gives me advantage!No one said this.
>>57191546>No one said this>>57190961>The benefit is having another Pokemon, there's a large number of reasons to do so (type coverage, HMs, EXP scaling means overleveling a single Pokemon is wasting EXP)
>>57191524What do you want, me to record an entire playthrough? It's a fact that most people don't struggle with any of these games and you for some reason do. Same way you think 2+2 is harder than 1+1. Just because you're a retard doesn't mean everyone else is.
>>57191552I'm not seeing "I have to train 6 pokemon because training 6 pokemon gives me advantage!"
>>57191535>>57191546>>57191552None one said BOTH of those>>57191554Just cite someone else’s if you’re lazy. We have playthrough threads and people struggle with Gen 5 and not Gen 6. Across the internet people agree 5 is harder than 6. The only suggestion that XY is as hard is conversations like this, all without any actual on-the-ground proof.
>>57191569I know this won't matter to you because you won't get the concept, but none of my friends or acquaintances have ever had difficulty with anything in pokemon.
>>57190726>>57190753As somebody who’s played through UM like 20 times. The hardest part of the game is almost always the 3rd island. Specifically the gauntlet from Hau rival battle -> Totum Togedemaru -> 1st Guzma fight. You are right that it gets easier after that, but the 1st 3 islands are each harder than the last.
>>57191576Exceptions don’t disprove tendencies.Even if that’s true that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a spectrum of difficulty, even if your bar dictates it’s all easy or hard.
>>57191583>muh spectrumI know you hear the word a lot in your day to day life but you don't need to keep spamming it here.
>>57191562I’m sorry about your reading disability.>>57191569>None one said BOTH of thoseSo who is correct? It can’t be both.
>>57191578I unironically find Wishiwashi and Mimikyu the hardest totem fights.
>needs to use HM slaves, level 80 starter, and box legendary to beat the gameI guess when you're this bad the games could seem hard
>>57191603the mimikyu fight was very hard to me, and i had a latias...
>>57191609I only use whatever I can catch in USUM except for a Ralts I moved over from another game.
>>57191603>>57191609>MimikyuHow? That battle always feels like a joke to me compared to Togedemaru, especially if you aren’t restricting yourself to a level cap. It’s very easy to accidentally overlevel for that fight
>>57188498I marathoned all the games. Gen 7 was the hardest and Gen 5 was the easiest. Gen 6 was close but at least with Sky Battles I had a > 0% chance of losing, which I couldn’t say for any fight in Gen 5.
>>57191603If you’re facing totum Wishiwashi, then you’re playing SM not UltraSM. I have never played through base SM, but I’ve heard it’s supposed to be easier than USUM.
>>57188964Anon, just Power-Up Punch twice, unless you already are, in which case yeah shits fucked ig
gen one
>>57191665Oh shit, I mixed up with Araquanid. I just remember it took me a while to get past it. Same with Mimikyu.>>57191640I don't overlevel. I also didn't have anything that was strong against it.
>>57191586>deflectionThanks for conceding not all game’s difficulty is created equal>>57191595>reading disabilityIt literally doesn’t say that so if you’re imaging it being g there, you’re actually the one with the reading disability >it can’t be both That’s what I just said. Nobody said both>>57191641How are sky battles any harder than regular battles?
jesus christ yall are actually autisticits gen 9 (base game) and it isnt even close>same xp share as gen 6>very easy to escape normal tutorial area and catch/gain experience from overleveled mons>even if you stay in-bounds the starters are more than enough for everything but obvious type-weaknesses>fucking flamigo, which speedruns can solo the game with, is catchable before the second nemona fight>after the tutorial, open world without scaling means the wild pokemon in further areas will give outsized experience>an open world youre incentivized to explore means unless youre diligent you will go beyond your level>flamigo and busted starters will give the rest of your team the shared xp from higher leveled wild pokemon>if all that wasnt enough, tera raids, even in midgame, give lots of xp and rare candy, as well as higher leveled pokemon for you to use out the gateI say base because if you get the dlc, your story opponents use level 80 pokemon while the wild pokemon are all level 50, which might be the only good difficulty nu-gen mons can give
>>57191731a single titan alone is harder than most gens>but anon it's easy t-yeah yeah still not as easy as gym leader 3284923
>>57191603for me it's lurantis, but usually because i try to not immediately use the firium Z from the last trial (and my last playthrough had multiple mons weak to grass by that point that just get instafucked by solar blade). guess that's on me for handicapping myself, but it really feels like that's what the game intends for the player to do. between the synthesis & the sunny day SOS mons, it feels like they just want you to ohko it with a z move
>>57191729>proves his reading disability againKEK
>mfw I'm the one he said had a reading disability and these autists can't tell anons apart:)
>>57191758>y-you just can’t read! Stop disagreeing with me PWETTY PLEASE!!No, stop being intentionally retarded. It doesn’t say that.
>>57191756Either way, early totem battles seems to be in general what is difficult in SM/USUM. But I really think Ultra Necrozma was difficult since I didn't out level it.
Now imagine if everyone praising USUM instantly got swarmed by the same fags claiming “if you think a children’s game is hard, then you’re just bad” like they do when people point out the same shit for BWIt’s a faulty logic that doesn’t hold up.
>>57191785I mean, kid games can be difficult. I think a lot of adults can have problems with Super Mario Bros. on the NES in the later levels.
>>57189147This also puts BDSP at a close third behind gen 6. It suffers from the same problem, but now you have gen 6+ style exp, can't turn off exp share, and have unchanged opponent levels from the original DP where they were designed to be not-too-challenging with old style exp.I still rank BDSP as harder than gen 6 though, because the Elite Four now has all 6IV fully trained Pokemon with decent moves and basically the Battle Tower AI mode. This is trollish. The average 12 year old with an unbalanced team and a starter that got super overleveled from the new style exp will plow through without too much trouble. Yet "pros" who carefully designed a team and swapped members to avoid overleveling will get fucked over by the sudden difficulty spike.
>>57191785Maybe USUM is just harder than the other ones?
>>57191776>But I really think Ultra Necrozma was difficult since I didn't out level it.i don't recall how it went during my first playthrough but i will admit i topsy-turvy cheesed it on my most recent lmaoi know togedemaru was a problem in my first playthrough - i think all my special attackers only hit NVE and the bastard gets +2 to defensehonestly i think that's an interesting thing about pokemon difficulty, it's variable based off which mons you use
>>57191799Hell, even the "Head It" minigame from Pokemon Amie. It's not hard in any way, but most adults don't get really long combos very often. Yet if you hand it to a small child and come back in a half hour, they'll probably be on a 500+ hit combo.
>>57191831>honestly i think that's an interesting thing about pokemon difficulty, it's variable based off which mons you useYeah, I also think I am a complete retard when it comes to pokemon. I mostly just pick my favorites and give them move sets I think will work well. I know most of the basic stuff, but I have issues keeping track on type weakness and such. So I'm hardly the baseline of what is difficult. I just think out of all the games, GSC and USUM has probably been the most challenging ones I've played. XY is probably the easiest except for a few random trainers.>>57191842Yeah, it's mostly about what you are used to do. And kids has a really easy time to learn what they find fun.
>>57191799as an adult i coudn't finish the perfect run in mario galaxy 2 without player 2
>>57191827Just like BW, which is argued all the same. The only difference being some shitposts about "the whole series is easy and you're just sucky players"
The biggest challenge is resetting for days to get a shiny Pheromosa.
>>57191827Because they rebalanced opponent levels to compensate for the new way exp is distributed in gen 6.>gen 1: A Pokemon always gives the same total exp. If more than 1 Pokemon battles, exp is divided evenly between them. Exp All takes away half of that total before it's divided up, and splits it between everybody, but due to buggy code it loses some of it.>gen 2: Same deal, but Exp Share replaces Exp All, and takes away half of the total exp and gives it to whoever is holding the Exp Share. If you've obtained multiple Exp Shares by trading, it splits the shared half of the exp between the ones holding them. The total exp added up between everybody who battled plus Exp Share holders always equals the amount you would've gotten if 1 Pokemon had battled. (Not taking "boosted" exp for traded pokes or Lucky Eggs into account. That boost is applied after the dividing up.)>gen 5: After being divided up, the exp received by each poke is scaled based on relative levels of it and what was fainted. Otherwise it's the same. Received exp may be increased or reduced this way, and is identical to previous gens if the Pokemon are the same level. >gen 6+: If multiple Pokemon battled, each one gets 100% of the exp that a single battler would have gotten. Switching during a battle now doubles the total exp received instead of splitting up the same total. If Exp Share is active, everybody who didn't battle also receives 50% of the exp they would've gotten by battling. There's more total exp, but opponent levels haven't been adjusted to compensate since apparently that change was made relatively late in development, making the game easier. You can't turn off the boost from switching so even if you turn off Exp Share, 6 is easier.>gen 7: Opponent levels are now adjusted so the game isn't so easy even with the modern style exp, especially if you turn off Exp Share.
>>57191785Because USUM legitimately is harder. The only people who think BW is hard are just terrible at the games and conflate poor exp management with the game being challenging.
>>57191960what is good xp management then, if youre so educated in those ways
>>57191960>because I say soWell then I think you are worse than a child for thinking USUm is hard at all.You see how your arguments are completely asinine? You dind' dress any of the arguments about BW being more difficult.
>>57191960Audino
>yawnfag's """good exp management"""
>>57191965>what is good xp management thennot wasting all your exp on training 6 pokemon from the beginning of the game like an absolute retard while still somehow having such a poor team comp that you don’t have a single out to some of the gym leaders.>>57191966There is no argument for BW being difficult except “I’m bad at the game”
>>57191980>you gotta use one pokemonevery game becomes easy like this, including USUM>if I ignore the arguments, there are no argumentsWe all get that, but please address the actual arguments instead if putting words into other people's mouths.I can also say you suck for thinking that USUM is hard, but I'm not gonna do that because I'm not a disingenuous schizophrenic like yourself. Now please try again.
>>57191641I agree gen 6 is harder than gen 5, but less because of sky battles specifically, and more because there’s a handful of random ass trainers in that game that are more dangerous than the gym leaders and can wreck your shit if you’re not careful. Like the breeder with an Azumarill with rollout, that fat team flare henchmen with a superpower + defiant octopus, the couple with the 2 doggos, etc... With gen 5, you can at least anticipate where to expect the difficulty spikes, but gen 6 throws noobs traps at you in the most random places.
>>57191998BW also had curveball battles anon. Also, imagine if someone said "you just suck if you lost to these" which wouldn't be true, to the same extent that everyone ITT who said that was also not telling the truth.
>>57191998>that fat team flare henchmen with a superpower + defiant octopusUmm ackthually, its a superpower + contrary squid, but yeah thats devious, especially when the only quick ko is with a bug move and how many people actually run bug type moves on non-bugs
>>57191776>Either way, early totem battles seems to be in general what is difficult in SM/USUMTotum battles are generally the hardest part yes, but the trainers in that game are no joke either. Almost every major trainer in that game has perfect IVs and hyper efficient EV spreads, and usually have pokemon at parts in the games when those pokemon are at their strongest. USUM is tough in pretty much every aspect except for the fact that it does make available plenty of pokemon that can completely trivialize certain fights unlike the older games.
>>57188498I think XY’s dropping of held items when previous games had much more was also terrible for it difficulty-wise.
>>57192012>BW also had curveball battleslmao no it didn’t
>>57192012>BW also had curveball battles anonLike…? I genuinely don’t remember having any fits with the rando trainers when I played it.
>>57189485>umm that's a fanfic sweetie>starts shilling USUM later, in the same thread evenWhy are you like this? Honestly.
>>57191998For me it’s the fuckers in Ice Cavern>See fighting type mon>Throw out bird>get stone tossedX/Y’s dogshit gym leaders lull you in to a false sense of security where you think you can just turn your brain off and cruise through the game with your brain off if you’re playing a Nuzlocke.
>>57191776Ultra Necrozma is bullshit, and I unrepentantly break self-imposed rules to cheese him whenever I do runs of USUM. Everything else in the game is tough but fair, but Ultra Necrozma literally just outspeed OHKO sweeps your entire team unless you have something to hard counter him.
>>57192252Glad I'm not the only one who thinks he is hard.
>>57190669It didn't seem like sarcasm. More like an idiot who didn't play the games. Are you the same person and you're backpedaling your argument?
>>57190834Yes, I'm well aware. However the games were not designed with you using those Pokémon during a playthrough. Plus Dream Radar is quite difficult. The Genesect event is over and the DNS Exploit doesn't seem to get it.
>>57190839Yes really. Two things being easy can have multiple levels of easiness.There can be- Harder to lose, where the only challenge is actually trying to lose- Brainlessly easy, where it's pretty much just button mashing- Easy, there shouldn't be too much difficulty- Easyish, where there's a decent amount of challenge but it's not so hard that it'll turn off newbies. It's mostly easy with a few spikes.
>>57192124>>57192142Every game has curveballs and denying it makes you a psycho retard. They’re not what make a game hard overall.
>>57191756>restricting yourself from using Z movesWhy? The game is literally designed around the necessity to use them. Totum Pokémon get complimentary partners and ridiculous stat boosts, it’s only fair you get Z moves. Though if you don’t want to Z move, catching a Salazzle trivializes Lurantis.
>>57190937Hands out tons of broken Fire, Ground and Fighting types? Such as? No Emboar isn't broken.
>>57192300Have you ever played XY? It’s not just that it throws curveballs at you, it’s that it throws gym leader ace level pokemon on literal who trainers. You walk out the wrong way from parfume palace after 15 minutes of battleless exposition, and you and your entire team can potentially get swept by 2 early game monster murder dogs with trainers that use potions.
>>57190959The thing is, I doubt they wasted exp, built shitty teams (in the case of XY, you can win with anything) and ignoring mechanics? Unless it's a really obscure mechanic that only applies in very rare circumstances, I doubt it'd be ignored.
>>57192349>demonstrated they're bad at the game>"I doubt they were bad at the game!"weak bait
>>57192341Every game has these. Was XY legitimately your first game?
>>57192353>demonstrated they're bad at the gameNo where in this thread did this remotely happen. You forced it as a new meme for yourself.
>>57190973They never said they trained them evenly, just that they used 6 Pokémon. For all we know half the team is 10 levels below.
>>57192357>No where in this thread did this remotely happen."Elesa is challenging""Clay is challenging"
>>57190987I don't think they made it with the intention of little kids running through the game with legendaries, especially with how challenging, and time consuming Dream Radar is. You can only play a certain number of times in a day before waiting for it to recharge. Children don't have that patience, most will just give up and play the games without their legendaries. Additionally, Dream Radar was download only, most kids I knew back then had little access to internet (their parents limited access for various reasons), and the ones that did, either didn't have a 3DS or didn't know about Dream Radar.Also the DS game legends are unlocked after you "beat" the game, when you catch Landorus after about 5 or 6 days.
>>57192355The only gens I have never played are gens 4, 8, and 9. In the early gens you can get jumped by rivals that fuck your shit, and non-optional trainers with pretty seasoned teams tend to stick out, but rarely ever do you get blindsided by randos. I’ll ask again, what unnamed trainers that are not intimidatingly positioned in gen 5 ever pose a threat?
>>57191174Everyone is at different levels of skill in different things. Some people find Pokémon hard but Dark Souls easy. Plus I've never met anyone under 10 who has beaten a Pokémon game without help from someone else. Those 10+ kids often times struggled at certain points. Is this something that will convince you? Probably not, but still worth mentioning.
>>57192303self-imposed challenge, really. i didn't want to just one-shot the boss with a fire nuke but it did end up coming down to that anyways, oh well
>>57191418Because they find one thing that's easy slightly harder than something that's slightly easier? No I do not see how they're retarded. It's still easy, it just requires an extra second of thought to solve.
>>57191455How does that make you bad?
>>57192436not losing to elesa and clay makes you baddon't ask me the mental gymnastics I had to invent to create this copium
>>57192261Who the hell has ever said Ultra Necrozma isn’t hard? He’s an overleveled legendary that starts the battle with stat boosts in every category and a movepool that can SE hit like 80% of the typings that exist. He’s a bullshit boss that will kill almost anything in one hit, not even fun to tactically fight against, just cheese him.
>>57192364Relatively, yes. And saying so doesn’t mean they’re bad at the game.>>57192390That’s an awfully specific criteria all of a sudden. And guess what, every game with the GF employees NPCs in it fits the criteria.
>>57192438>finding Elesa and Clay any harder than other gym leaders makes you bad at the game don’t ask me the mental gymnastics I had to invent to create this copium
>>57191554Most people don't struggle with these games is partially true. Most Pokémon games have at least one segment that's remotely challenging for most. Look around the internet, you'll find a lot of mentions of Whitney, Clair, Normal, Juan, Steven, Cynthia, Ghetsis, Ultra Necrozma etc.
>>57192454>finding the 1st grade math test harder without the calculator makes you bad at mathCorrect. This isn't difficult to grasp.
>>57192459I would say literally any important Normal type trainer is notable for their battle but then we got this
>>57191641how are any of the sky battles even remotely challenging? I've beaten all of them at least 10 levels below (except the first few where I was only about 3-5 levels below). It's harder to find some of the Sky Battles then to actually win them.Also Lenora, Elesa, Drayden, that one Ace Trainer, N and Ghetsis all made me sweat at least once. I don't find them that hard these days, but back then they were hard. I played XY and BW back to back almost every year and have since I got both for Christmas in 2015.
>>57192460Harder? Yes. Hard? No. 23+58 is harder than 2+4 even though they’re both very easy. Stop appealing to emotions like a massive faggot.
>>57191666Yeah she always seems to outspeed me. Every single time.
>>57191729Sky Battles are allegedly harder because of Pokémon and move limitations.
>>57192425I also do self-imposed challenges, but restricting Z moves in a game which purposely stacks the deck against you in totum fights because it wants you to use Z moves doesn’t sound that fun. Totum Pokémon are usually bulky enough to not get OHKO’d by Z moves anyway.
>>57192467>Harder? Yes.You're bad at math.
>>57192474Yeah but the same guy saying that already argued that Pokemon choices are a “skill issue” and therefore don’t count.
>>57192477No, it’s factually harder. It takes more effort, no matter how slightly.
>>57192450Name a tricky unnamed trainer in gen 5 period.
>>57192482>No, it’s factually harderIf you're bad at math, yes.For me it would actually be easier without the calculator because I can make the answer in my head faster than it would take me to type in the numbers.
>>57191776Ultra Necrozma is hard when you don't cheese it with Zoroark. The first time I fought it, my Toxapex tanked a Photon Geyser and landed Toxic. At that point it was just stall.
>>57192488Only you brought up the calculator. I’m talking about the intrinsic difficulty comparison between, say, 2+2, 83+164, and 62949+947282. These are all very easy but on a spectrum, with the longer ones being hardER but not hard. You’re also conflating how fast it takes to solve with difficulty.>>57192486>unnamed???
>>57191859I can't even beat that Megahammer boss on the second or third world.
>>57192497>Only you brought up the calculatorYes, because it's relevant example, and you proceeded to prove you're bad at math.
>>57192514How am I bad at math if they’re all easy to me? There are different levels of easiness and recognizing that doesn’t make you somehow bad at math. I likely got farther than you in math classes in school, believe me. Your logic is shitty so you probably flunked on philosophy.
>>57192490Toxic stall or Zoroark are quite literally the only way to really beat him without either overleveling, using items, or concocting some other similarly cheese strategy that will still require a Pokémon with sturdy/focus sash.
>>57192527>How am I bad at mathBecause you think the test without the calculator is harder.
This whole psyop to convince me that 62937-8241 is as easy as 5-2 is retarded. Soon as anyone points out “hey those are both easy but not to the same extent” they instantly get pinned as retards for pointing out extremely obvious truths. You’re not cool for posting that you’re some macho man on an anonymous site.
>>57192542it's ok that you need the calculator to pass the 1st grade math test lil bro
>>57192533When did I say that anon? It depends on the test and if I’m forced to use the damn calculator. Stop inventing posts to seethe towards. Putting words in people’s mouths and criticizing those words instead of actually engaging in what I said is a pretty good telltale sign that you know you lost the discussion.
>>57192550>When did I say that anon?>>57192467>Harder? Yes.
>>57192547>I think it’s easy>I think it’s easy>I think it’s easy>I think it’s easy>I think it’s easy but to varying extents>OMG YOU THINK IT’S HARD YOU RETARDhang yourself
>>57192552Now read the exchange. It was in reference to Clay and Elesa.
>>57192464It is facade, though it is also nugen mons
>>57192353Explain how they were bad at the game, then explain why that makes them bad. Note: answers that say *i didn't find it hard* will not be accepted.
>>57192460>>57192477>>57192486>>57192488>>57192514>>57192533>>57192547>>57192552So then USUM’s equally easy, right?
>>57192460First Grade math can have different levels. Plus 35+37 is likely not first grade, probably closer to 3rd or 4th.
>>57192563>Explain how they were bad at the game,they think elesa and clay are challenging>then explain why that makes them badthey think elesa and clay are challenging
>>57192584>they think [valid statement] compared to easier NPCsHow does thinking this make someone bad again?
>muh first grade mathHow is beating these guys an equivalent to first grade math somehow? They’re much harder than basic equations. You have to actually strategize decently.
>>57192560facade without any self-status condition and no alternate strong move for it to use, that's worthless
>>57192588because you have to be bad enough at the game to discover a mechanical difference.
>>57192571He’ll never answer that properly. He’s a XYfag who’s willing to bring his own game and most of the series down so long as it isn’t a perception that his game has any new faults. He doesn’t actually like USUM; just uses it as a shitty cudgel.
>>57192477I'm a high school math teacher. I teach much harder shit daily. I think that 23+58 is harder than 2+4. A first or second grader likely wouldn't be able to solve the first question.
>>57192600How so? You’re implying they’re so closely simple to make this the case yet never explain why. Go ahead and prove they’re actually this simple you claim they are.
>>57192597>person who's not terrible at pokemonclicks A three times to beat elesa just like they clicked A three times to beat clemont>person who's not terrible at maththinks of the answer to 5+3 instantly on the test without the calculator just like they did on the test with the calculator >person who's terrible at pokemonstruggles with elesa and somehow thinks she's harder>person who's terrible at mathstruggles to think of the answer to 5+3 on the test without the calculator but had no problem for the answer on the test with the calculator because they just plugged the numbers into the calculatorthey're extremely comparable
>>57192619>anecdoteProve this is the case by actually analyzing the elements of the battle.>thinks of the answer instantlyWell yes when it’s easiest it can get tools don’t help. But no Pokemon game is as easy it can get.>struggles>thinks she’s harderThese are two different concepts anon>struggles to think of the answer to 5+3No one said this you bot. Everyone repeated ad nauseum that it is already incredibly easy as is. Seems like you just can’t read.
>>57192633>Prove this is the case by actually analyzing the elements of the battle.Lvl 36 0 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. Lvl 25 0 HP / 0 Def Emolga: 177-208 (252.8 - 297.1%) -- guaranteed OHKOLvl 36 0 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. Lvl 25 0 HP / 0 Def Emolga: 177-208 (252.8 - 297.1%) -- guaranteed OHKOclick Flare Blitz 3 times and it's a guaranteed win.>But no Pokemon game is as easy it can getHow do you get easier than "click A three times to win"?>These are two different concepts anonPeople in this thread have said they're challenging.>it is already incredibly easy as is.Yes, just like BW.
>>57192652>muh anecdoteYou might as well have said “lvl 96 Mewtwo” and it wouldn’t have made a difference. Compare where you actually are at that point.>how do you get easier than [anecdote]By realizing your anecdotes are shitty>people in this thread have said they’re challengingIn comparison, yes>just like [harder game for reason explained and not addressed]Nope. Try again.
>>57192665>Compare where you actually are at that pointI did.I can even subtract 3 levels and change to Darumaka and it's still enough to sweep her team.>Lvl 33 0 Atk Hustle Darumaka Flare Blitz vs. Lvl 27 0 HP / 0 Def Zebstrika: 109-130 (128.2 - 152.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO>In comparison, yesOnly if you're bad at the game.>harder gameOnly if you're bad at the game.
>>57192671>I didNo, you invented an anecdote. The reality is that you’re likely to be much lower that level in BW, but not so much lower in XY.>only if you’re badNope, easiness is a spectrum while still being easy. Denying this basic concept means you’re bad at understanding pretty basic concepts.
>>57192678>The reality is that you’re likely to be much lower that level in BWMaybe if you're terrible at the game.
>>57192681No, just a natural outcome of the fact that XY is easier.
>>57192684What does XY have to do with leveling in BW? You aight schizo?
>>57192687We’re comparing both, psycho. XY is easier because it levels you higher compared to the curve when comparing with BW.
>>57192691>XY is easier because it levels you higherSo? I'm still clicking A three times in both.
>>57192693>I'm still clicking A three times in bothIn your made up dream, yes. But in BW it’s more likely you’re leveled lower to where that isn’t the way you beat it.
>>57192701>But in BW it’s more likely you’re leveled lowerOnly if you're terrible at the game.
>>57192600What kind of mechanical difference?
>>57192708No, it’s a natural consequence of the game being harder. If I was bad, I’d be equally bad at both.
>>57192714No, it’s a natural consequence of you being bad at the game. For any intelligent person the difficulty for both is the same, just like the math test with or without the calculator.
>>57192725But BW is a harder math test than XY. Simple as.
>>57192714>If I was bad, I’d be equally bad at both.This kills yawnfag's delusions.
>>57192729>i-it’s harder without the calculator!If you have low IQ, yes.
>>57192750>i-it’s harder without the calculator!I didn't say that. I said BW is a higher level math test. Forget about the calculator. It's intrinsically a higher level math that takes more effort to do.
>>57192714>If I was bad, I’d be equally bad at both.Based. He'll never actually respond to this though because it completely demolishes his worldview.
>>57192767>clicking AThis isn't what's happening though. In BW you have to strategize more than in XY.
>>57192619I've battled Elesa countless times, rarely is it just pressing A three times. Her Zebstrika always tanks at least one hit. Considering the Pokémon you'll likely have at this point, it makes sense why she's considered hard, the only Ground type you'll likely have is Sandile (maybe Krokorok if you train it to Level 29 first) and at that point there's only 2 Ground type moves it learns, Mud-Slap and Sand Tomb, both being less than 40 power. Besides, two of her Pokémon are Flying type, making them immune to Ground type. Plus her Pokémon will likely outspeed and spam Volt Switch, won't work on Krokorok, but not everyone has one. You might also possibly have Palpitoad, but it only gets Mud Shot, a 55 power move with 95 accuracy.
>>57192771>i-in the test without the calculator I’m not thinking of the answer instantly though, I need to strategize over the answer more!This is what you sound like.
>>57192797But it's not as easy of a test. It's a completely different test that takes more time and more effort.
All I will say is that XY is a harder game than BW if you either play with some sensible self imposed restrictions (particularly not overleveling, not accepting giftmons the game throws at you) or you play the game completely blind. BW fundamentally lacks any difficulty in any respect so long as you know the type chart.
>>57192800>clicking A is completely different from clicking A
>>57192809Except they're not just clicking A>>57192802XY is the same as BW except with all of these added nd made worse to make it easier>>57188607
>>57192652Level 36? You know that Darmanitan can't be obtained yet? (Static one is locked until later and it'd take time to grind a Darumaka to that level). Most people won't know to go there, or even go there at all, it's a harsh desert, there's sandstorms, tons of wild encounters, relatively strong trainers. Besides Elesa's highest Pokémon is Level 27, that Darmanitan is 9 levels above it, hitting it with one of the strongest Fire type moves, of which it gets Stab for, with the ability Sheer Force, which boosts it even more (due to the fact Sheer Force powers up moves with secondary effects at the cost of negating that effect. Recoil is technically a secondary effect.)
>>57192714>>57192746>>57192764Still never addressed. Yawnfag in shambles.
>>57192671You'd have to grind to get a Darumaka at that level. If you just caught one, used it in a few trainer battles then used it, the end result would be very different.
>>57192708Really? With the way BW's exp formula works, even if you were to solo run with your starter, you'd only just be one or two levels ahead, compared to most other games where you'd be at least 10-20 levels ahead. In XY I did a Froakie solo run. I was level 93 by the time I got to the league, and I only did the mandatory battles and a few optional battles that I wasn't able to skip.
>>57192571>>57192609>>57192612>>57192617>>57192648>>57192775>>57192817>>57192825>>57192833What's the answer, Yawnfag?
>>57192775>I've battled Elesa countless times, rarely is it just pressing A three timesLvl 36 0 SpA Seismitoad Muddy Water vs. Lvl 25 0 HP / 0 SpD Emolga: 72-85 (102.8 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKOLvl 36 0 Atk Seismitoad Dig vs. Lvl 27 0 HP / 0 Def Zebstrika: 108-128 (127 - 150.5%) -- guaranteed OHKOLvl 31 0 Atk Excadrill Rock Slide vs. Lvl 25 0 HP / 0 Def Emolga: 86-102 (122.8 - 145.7%) -- guaranteed OHKOLvl 31 0 Atk Excadrill Dig vs. Lvl 27 0 HP / 0 Def Zebstrika: 120-144 (141.1 - 169.4%) -- guaranteed OHKOLvl 36 0+ Atk Krokorok Crunch vs. Lvl 25 0 HP / 0 Def Emolga: 64-76 (91.4 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKOLvl 36 0 Atk Krokorok Dig vs. Lvl 27 0 HP / 0 Def Zebstrika: 104-126 (122.3 - 148.2%) -- guaranteed OHKOLvl 36 0 Atk Scraggy Payback (100 BP) vs. Lvl 25 0 HP / 0 Def Emolga: 69-82 (98.5 - 117.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKOLvl 36 0 Atk Scraggy High Jump Kick vs. Lvl 27 0 HP / 0 Def Zebstrika: 79-94 (92.9 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKOExactly how bad are you at the game?
>>57192767You're clicking A when heavily overleveled, which likely won't be in BW unless you grind heavily.
>>57192817>Level 36? You know that Darmanitan can't be obtained yet?How did I obtain one then?>>57192833>You'd have to grind to get a Darumaka at that levelNo you don't.>>57192839>you'd only just be one or two levels aheadNo you wouldn't.
>>57192851>was outed for making scenarios>makes up even more scenarios with proving that's what would actually be the setup playing the gameNeeding to overlevel this hard to win is a sign you're bad, and no one else.
>>57192858>y-you have to badly manage exp like me or else it doesn't count!Thanks for proving my point.
>>57192857>How did I obtain one then?By making up the "BW is easy" lie and running along with it.>No you don'tYes you do>No you wouldn'tYes you wouldStop digging your whole even deeper yawnie. You look very stupid with you hypotheticals.
>badly manage expBirth of a new yawnism
>>57192862>badly manage expBut enough about you over leveling in BW and limiting your exp gain. The rest of us don't limit exp whatsoever.
>spectrumbirth of a new sagism
Difficulty existing on a spectrum is a common sense concept. "badly managed exp" is something you literally never explained. if anything it applies to you way more.
>y-y-y-you grinded!!!And with that concession, the thread has come to close. Thanks for playing, folks. See you in the next XY seethe thread that reaches 300+ replies.
>>57192880How else did you reach your asinine hypotheticals? Go ahead and explain, dear yawnie.
>>57192851>>57192862If those are the upper limits of what you can get without grinding, which is likely the case based on how you seem to be doing it, that's excessively putting EXP into a single Pokemon, which is incredibly abnormal unless you're retarded and can't remember how to switch Pokemon after you've done it once. Normal people would use several Pokemon in a number of ways, they'd probably experiment with all the above Pokemon. This is especially true with the optional Desert Resort Pokemon, as all of them are fairly good and usually fill in a spot on the player's team (they're mechanically similar to Dugtrio in Gen 1). Put simply, the only reason you'll reach those levels is if you're intentionally trying to reach them by playing in a very specific way, or excessively grinding, an incredibly abnormal playstyle. Compare that to XY, where simply leaving EXP Share on, something that Game Freak clearly intended players to do given the Switch titles, makes the player overleveled to an excessive extent in a game that it overall way easier. This isn't even getting into how EXP Share dramatically decreases the difficulty in an actual hard title like the Gen 7 ones.
>>57188607>Does B2W2 have the upgraded EXP. Share?B2W2 is harder because it makes you grind more? There is a reason nuzlockers hack in rare candy. There is nothing challenging about grinding, just time consuming.Do they give you an unusually high amount of gift Pokémon, many of which are starters, can Mega Evolve or are just strong?You can also refuse to accept those pokemon, which anybody who isn’t completely new to pokemon games can just go “Eh no, I don’t think I want a free Lucario, Charizard, and Laprus on my team.>Do most NPC Pokémon have less than 4 moves?Wild pokemon have full movesets, doesn’t actually make them hard to fight.>Is the box art legendary just handed to you before you've even got 8 badges?Wow, it’s handed to you after you have 7 badges instead of 8, big difference.>And Sky Battles aren't even that hard. It's probably harder to get to them then to actually win the battle. X and Y has the most retarded Ai in the series.Retarded A.I. is actually trickier than smart A.I honestly.
>>57192886>Retarded A.I. is actually trickier than smart A.I honestly.This isn't Gen 1, where that's true. They fixed that way back in Gen 4, you can tell because they fucked up the programming and never use the good AI once in DP's campaign.
>>57192886>B2W2 is harder because it makes you grind more?But the whole point is if you don't grind. The game gives you more when ovderleveled and less when over leveled, so the grinding point is moot while still being under the curve because of lack of exp share>just don't take itsure, but that eliminates the criteria altogether. In regards to that criteria, XY would be easier. And in an argument even harder to make (don't use megas) XY's even easier>doesn't make them hard to fightsure there are exceptions but overall it does>you can only use the box legend for two fights in BW but probably over a dozen mandatory, infinite possible fights in XYPretty big difference.>Retarded A.I. is actually trickier than smart A.I honestly.I get what you're trying to say but it doesn't really apply in this franchise.
>>57192892Retarded A.I in XY can absolutely fuck you over with normal trainers.
>>57192851Level 36 SeismitoadThat's way higher than I was at that point. I battled every trainer in my way and explored most of the side areas. My Palpitoad was only level 26.Level 31 Excadrill. I never actually encountered Drilbur early enough. I know they're found in Wellspring Cave from those dust clouds, but you can barely explore very far the first time around so I usually leave immediately, or until I catch a Roggenrola.You probably won't even have a Level 36 Krokorok. Chances are, it'll only be a Sandile around Level 25, assuming you catch one immediately and use it frequently.Same with Scraggy, it's unlikely it'll be above Level 25, unless you grind heavily.
>>57192907I literally only hear this about XY on this anonymous site.
>>57192857You got the Darmanitan through grinding for hours to evolve. You could catch the static Darmanitan from in front of Relic Castle but1. You can't get one until at least the 7th Gym due to that being the earliest time you can obtain the Rage Candy Bar.2. It's not a Sheer Force Darmanitan so it doesn't even count.Yes, you only would be two levels ahead. You'd know this if you actually played the games and understood how Gen V experience distribution works.
>>57192901I will not deny for a second that XY’s EXP share is overclocked and you literally have to turn it off at points to keep from overleveling. But XY is ultimately a more challenging game with self imposed restrictions than BW. Simply put, if the devs had actually balanced the game properly and didn’t throw giftmons at you, it is a more thrilling and replayable experience. Gen 3’s remake for example also throws giftmons at you that kind of trivialize the game, but you can just refuse to accept them and do a normal gen 3 playthrough.
>>57191578>As somebody who’s played through UM like 20 timeshow the fuck can you stand the game cutscenes holy shit
>>57192862Are you saying that if you managed exp well, you'd likely be overleveled?
>>57192936she's lying, no one can play through that slop more than once
>>57192935Sure, let's eliminate the criteria of giftmons and exp share for the sake of discussion and deny the guftmons and turn off the toggle. How is XY harder than BW now? XY's level curve still has you above the NPCs, the exp gain formula doesn't cap exp gain when over the opponent anymore, so overleveling is all the more so possible, it still has worse movesets and fewer trainers' mons with held items, etc.
>>57192885It's not the case, even with just a single Pokémon, you rarely end up more than 3-4 levels above everything else.
>>57192948To clarify, which of the two discussed games are you referring to?
>>57192936The unskippable cutscenes fucking suck, but remove them, and it’s genuinely the best pokemon game. I suffer them for the sake of a fun challenge.
>>57192960Huh, the only reason I really come back to it for was the fun it is to sit through the RR episode.
>7 years of thisI'm just so tired
>>57192886You can always just dump a gift Pokémon in the PC. Even without the free Megas, XY is still piss easy. Wild Pokémon rarely have any good moves, it's usually just a selection of four moves based on what they could learn at that level, plus wild Pokémon ai is ridiculously retarded i.e. Pokémon using an Electric move twice in a row against a Ground type.It is a big difference. In XY, you get the legendary before final Lysandre fight, before the Winding Woods and 8th Gym, before Victory Road and Multiple rival battles and the Pokémon League. Meanwhile BW gives it to you when there's only two battles left in the main story.Could you explain how retarded ai is smarter?
>>57192919Same. I think it's because 4chan is where the most retards like to hang out.
>>57192956Black and White
>hey I really like pizza>I also like burgers, but slightly less than I like pizza>this somehow means my tastebuds aren't working properly
>>57193004Got it.
>>57192946And I would ask you, what is the tough part of BW? Random trainers never fuck you over, gym leaders are basically just handled so long as you know how typings work. There’s a couple toughish battles with N and Ghetsis you have to prepare for, but that’s it. BW is such a monotonous game who’s hardest aspect is running in to an unfamiliar pokemon and not being able to guess its typing based on what it looks like.
>>57193011Well as with every game it would depend how you play. it continued essentially the trajectory of previous games with bosses providing some decently interesting teams to deal with, especially the E4 in its case. It also improved the AI nicely and capped exp gains when overlevelled, making it modest in this regard. Nothing too flashily hard, but moments of difficulty nonetheless.
Notice how only one of them is actually answering the other's questions.
>>57188498If the OP was all there was with no replies, it would be an accurate conclusion to the whole thread. No element of it has been addressed or refuted, nor has there been another game shown to be easy like OP.
>>57193073I know right. It's weird.
>this shitty thread lives on because of one chinless wonder
>>57192841the silence is deafening lmao
>>57192968Don't open the threads then
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>>57189147>>57189493LGPE has some pretty decent movesets on its gym leaders, like Misty's Starmie having Scald.
