It should have just used Calem.
>>57200286The only reason it gets any praise is because of Ash.
>>57200286Baby's first shonen: The anime
>>57200292Lmao no.
>>57200292Nothing about the character of Ash in XY actually requires that Ash be the protagonist. Ash Ketchum's story should have ended in DP. BW and XY would have both benefited from entirely new protagonists.
>>57200292Ash in XYZ is the DEFINITION of OOC. People only like him because they can self insert as Serena's battleking boytoy.
>>57200286Every gen could've used their own playable protags.
>>57200797Agreed. Thank goodness we have Pokemon Adventures.
>>57200826They wouldn't even need to end a season tied to a gen but make them mini-shows of their own.
literally every reason to have it still be ash is either corporate or shipping related. no exceptions. ash being the protagonist of xy does not boost the actual quality of the show in any way.
>>57200286Trashnime ruined everything
>>57200308Yes anon, ashfags hate it when ash isn't there.>>57200312>DPJohto at the latest. You also wasted a lot of time.
>>57200877Agreed. If they weren't going to have Ash win the Johto Cup, it should've ended with Ash mentoring a young trainer then sending him off to Hoenn
>>57200877Ash wins the johto cup and is an adult for the rest of the show,, that would be kino. Pokespe had the right idea for the first several gens
>>57200312>Nothing about the character of Ash in XY actually requires that Ash be the protagonistBecause it was Ash that people praise XY Ash. If it was Calem or anybody else than people would have called him generic boring paladin type protagonist. Even Serena got massively popular because she had crush on Ash and not anybody else or else they would have called her out for being a boring simp. At the end most people didn't actually wanted cool protagonist, they wanted Ash to be the cool protagonist. The main reason XYfags ignore all the flaw with XY Ash and Serena because it was Ash.
>>57200286Ash should have been in gens 1 and 2 and have a rivalry with a Gold equivalent, following by every region having it's MC protagonist all with DIFFERENT personalities.
>>57201046>NOOOO. YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME! EVERYTHING ABOUT XY WAS ONLY GOOD BECAUSE OF HIM OK?!???>I AM GONNA USE "MOST PEOPLE" TO PRETEND THAT MORE THAN JUST ME ALONE ARE THINKING THIS WAYUseless fanboy cocksucking Ash big time.
>>57201046>they wanted Ash to be the cool protagonistthis and that's basednobody wanted say Alain as the protag
>>57200286this is the coolest Ash has ever looked and Greninja was the most credible new addition to his overall perfect team since Sceptile
57200286His best team is the sun and moon
Doesnt XYZ had low ratings?
>>57201057I'll never understand what Ashfags like about him. It has to be a masochism thing watching 100+ episodes leading up to Ash losing the league.
>>57201057> Wa wa wa, why is somebody so sociable and friendly as Ash is the protagonist? I wanted Pokemon to be those otaku anime where friendless loner is the protagonist that gets everything handed to them while all the socialable popular people are treated like losers.This is how Ash hater sounds to me.
>>57201089>Friendless lonerProjecting much? Nobody said anything about it and looking it up in the archives only cough ups the same tantrum spree. You are quite fragile. Who fucked your oneitis back in middle school?
>>57201085A compelling personality with motivation and drive that draw people into watching his story. This is the most important trait that a protagonist need to have and Ash displayed this from episode one which is why pokemon anime lasted for 26 years when most video game adaption doesn't last for 6 season .Anybody can write a super cool and invicinble protagonist with special parents and a magical destiny to destroy the forces of evil but it will still flop if the protagonist not compelling enough to make people care about them.
>Bring up the repetitiveness of that hick since atleast XY>Raging thirdworlder rushes in, spewing giant assed shill babbling about the only thing he consumed throughout his life.Literal brainless nostalgia baby ITT. And after seeing the Teraleaks where the suits actually trusted those Asshtards to do Arson, this is just fueling my point.
>>57201122We didn't need Ash to be super cool or invincible. We just needed a bone tossed our way sooner than the final two regions he'd star in. With how many asspull victories and embarrassing losses he's claimed throughout every region, at any time they could've had him win a League Cup but say "I might've won but, I'm not a Pokemon Master just yet. I still have a long ways to go" then have him challenge the next region.Ash can be the face of the series without choking at the 11th hour every time
>>57201137> Still believing on those fake leaks. If the production committee were afraid of death threats and arson then they would not have let Liko catch Terapagos and spread Woke propaganda
>>57201167>The leaks were containing something I don't like or that reflects something bad?>NNNOOO THEY ARE FAKEHoly shit, your fragile ego needs to take a break.>Woke PropagandaOk, now I know that you're just full of shitTake your /pol/crap and touch grass.
>>57201157Blame the executive who are obsessed with pushing their own self inserted garbage OC after DP series. Best wishes was the best time for Ash to win the league with N being his rival and become the World Champion since B2W2 introduced a freaking World Tournament. But some losers executive decided to nerf Ash and ignore the main story with Team Plasma so he can promote his racist OC named Trip as the new "Paul". When fans refused to accept Trip , they decided to punish them by making Ash lose to a noob with 5 pokemon on Unova League. They killed XY&Z to pander their self insert Alain and screwed JN series so their OC Goh could spread Woke propaganda on Japanese children. Pokemon anime's biggest problem are the production committee's obsession with favoring their OC and spread Woke propaganda on Japanese children .
>>57201217>Best wishes was the best time for Ash to win the league It was johto. You wasted time.
>>57201217How obsessed are you with the "woke" excuses? You only come across as a seething shill who is angry that another character than Ash gets more screentime than usual.
I didn't make the thread for this shit, I just think the anime would be better if Ash's story wrapped up earlier so that the XY characters didn't have to compromise their legacy with the rest of the show. I love Ash and I love XY.
>>57201248He's just using woke as a way to trigger reasonable people. He doesn't actually care about wokeness. They change their argument all the time.Remember, these are the same people who claim Liko is a Mary Sue who wins everything and a loser for not beating people way more experienced than her.
>>57201269>didn't have to compromise their legacy with the rest of the show.But you also say each season is a completely differnt thing unrelated to the previous ones.
>>57201248>How obsessed are you with the "woke" excuses?JN series had the potential to be the best but never reached its potential because some loser executives obsession with spreading woke propaganda with Ash and Goh.
>>57201300>No argument except using woke like a buzzwordDon't hit your head on the way to a therapist to deal with the asshurt that Goh is giving you.
>>57201274>Remember, these are the same people who claim Liko is a Mary SueShe literally got a third legendary pokemon handed to her. The entire story of Horizon revolve around her ancestor and her connection to their legend. She is a freaking Mary sue.
>>57201269You made this thread to bash Ash and how XY would have been magically better without him. Turns out that everything good with XY came from Ash and without him the series wouldn't have gain any attention so now you are regretting it.
>>57201317Yeah, and then she loses to an elite 4 and you cry loser for weeks.You never had any consistency.
>>57201333Nothing good comes from Ash.
>>57201269Your thread was shit from the premise.
>>57201333this and checkedFor better or for worse, the mainline Pokemon anime *is* Ash's story and is nothing without Ash, and specifically, an Ash treated with dignity and respect for his character.People like spinoffs like that Raikou anime, but they are supplements, not replacements.
>Circlejerk squad comes crawling inLmao, not OP but I should make Calem threads if just the IDEA pisses off others this much.
>>57201339>she loses to an elite 4An elite 4 , a trainer that way stronger for a newbie.
>>57201458>an Ash treated with dignity and respect for his characterWhat universe are you from where Ash was ever treated with respect or dignity? He's always been a bumbling retard who had the majority of his victories handed to him.
>>57201341Everything good about past series comes from Ash.When people talk about XY&Z, they doesn't talk about how cool & invincible Alain was. They talk about how cool Ash looked, his Greninja and him having a love interest like Serena even after he lost to Alain.Same way nobody talk about Goh and his mission to catch Mew when it comes to JN series. They still talk about Ash and his journey to win the PWC.Ash was the linchpin of the pokemon anime, something that Liko and Roy has failed to become. This is Horizon turn out to be so uninteresting because it has nothing to compell people to watch the thing. Currently the things that carrying the show is Ash's possible return.
>>57201482Yes.>>57201517Ashfags liking something doesn't make it good. It usually indicates the opposite.
Don’t forget that movies had to be shelved because Ash draws no dimes kekaroo
>>57201528>NOOOO IT WAS LIKO'S FAULT SOMEHOW
>>57201517Your whole tantrum can be summarized as:>People only talk about the things I talk about and anything proving otherwise doesn't count.>I use the word nobody to generalize my opinion as more than only me.>People who talk about anything I don't like or just anything else that isn't related to Ash aren't valid opinionsYour mindset is beyond delusional it's actually insane.
>>57201517Everything mentally ill man children strung along self inserting for years like in the anime stems from Ash.
Oh no no Calembros
>>57201517thisashaters absolutely scalding
>>57201217I hate to break it to you but the anime has been focused on an OC since day one, his name is Ash.
>>57202150Ash is an interpretation of a source'd character
>>57202150I was talking about OC after DP series. Furthermore Ash was treated like a small fish on a bigger pond despite being the protagonist.
>>57201084Yes it did
>>57204069>Rushes in from page 10 to pull the "muh buzzword" excuse to sugarcoat shitWhy are you so miserable and sad?
>>57201084Pokémon 2023 has even lower ratings than XY&Z.
>Asks for XYZ>Lies and seethes over something else insteadFragile much?
>>57204842You can check the TV rating on Anime News Network.> B-but Nico NicoDoesn't mean a squat, Blue Archive ranked number one for viewership despite the low ratings.
>>57204857>Nico Nico out of nowhereYep, fragile and obsessed to cover shit up.
X-Kun and Y-Chan clears all btw.
>>57201269You've underestimated of just how toxic /vp/ is. The anipoke community on here is the most insufferable portion of this board.
>>57204944He's a part of it though.
>>57200286Meh, even Pokémon Horizon is suffering without Ash.
>>57200286>CalemLiterally who?
