this was the absolute objective peak of pokemon and im tired of pretending otherwisehonorable mentions: emerald, fr/lg
>>57216570>take emerald>give it worse map design>give it worse pokemon distribution>give it worse performance>give it worse game balancing>give it worse battle facilities>add in tedious shitty mechanics like swarms/honey trees/great marsh/daynight just to pointlessly pad the game>"TH-THIS IS LE PEAK!!"
>>57216570>>57216578Excellent samecuck :)
>>57216578objectively false post
>>57216594Why would people contradict their own posts like that?
>>57216601Because it creates artificial controversy to try to galvanize discussion on an otherwise stupid/shitty thread. You’re an idiot.
>>57216570Gens 1-4 are in the golden era. Gen 5 still had the classic feel but was the time they were transitioning to the 3D. Gen 6 has the last remains of classic top down style elements. While I liked Gen 7, I feel this was the downfall to the series.
>>57216657Gen 3 was objectively the beginning of the end. If you don’t recognize that 2nd gen was the peak of the series, you aren’t just wrong, you’re a bad person.
>>57216705>I…I’M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO OK!Further proof of how immature people really are on vp. Ok anon whatever you say
>>57216705Gen 2 was objectively the beginning of the end. If you don’t recognize that Game Freak was tired of making Pokemon by the 2nd gen and that it was rushed and poorly made in an attempt for Game Freak to end their contract with Nintendo, you’re a retarded Johtoddler who was too stupid to realize her intelligence was being insulted and that her childhood was a llie.
>>57216705Oh you mean the game where I felt severely disturbed after seeing how they butchered Kanto. Might as well have focused on fleshing out Johto rather than cramming a half-baked region on top of another.
>>57216734>prove to me that a friendly fluffy dog is better than a sick plague ridden rat!Why should I? In such instances I’m not going to argue or ‘prove’ anything, I’m just going to judge you.
>>57216601Some "people" here live for genwars and will create the genwars themselves if they have to in order to get their fix.
>>57216878I’m not into genwars but 2nd gen is the best one. It’s not a matter of taste, but the ethical content within your soul. It IS the best one. Peace.
>>57216931>I'm not into genwars but *starts genwar baiting*you're not wrong though, johto is comfy as fuck
>>57216705Lol this is actually true though. Gotta love the seethe.
>>57216578Yes.
I wish Pokemon died after HGSS. Knowing what came after... ugh...
>>57217342Me too, i wish the series had ended before making something too good that gave me false hope to keep believing in this franchise
>>57216570gen 4 did a lot for the metagame. Introducing choice items and lifeorb, the phys/spec split, and the new design direction of giving each type at least a 80 damage phys and spec move (except phys elec and ice types. get fucked lol)
>>57217403>Introducing choice items and lifeorb, the phys/spec split, and the new design direction of giving each type at least a 80 damage phys and spec move Literally all of these made the game worse.
>>57217414>making battles more complex and interesting made the game worselol
>>57217432Literally having to guess whether the Pokemon in front of you is able to outspeed and one shot you or not because GF decided to let every Pokemon do everything isn’t complex or interesting.
>>57217466Frisk exist since gen 4
>>57217466>>57217488We’ve already established that the entire franchise, and perhaps even gaming itself as a Wagnerian unity of the arts, peaked with gen 2. The rest of this discussion is just retards humping a doorknob./thread
>>572176065*
>>57217466>I have to think more, this is shit!
>>57217612Excellent falseflag brother
>>57217612Mainstream-normie opinion. I’m literally the only person who vindicates gen 2 but I don’t care, quantity and majority-representation do not represent truth. All you faggots do is go with the flow and whatever the crowd does.
>>57216570Gen 1 and Gen 4 are tied for best gens
>>57217638>>57217647I loved gen 5 since 2011 because it felt like a proper JRPG, simple as that, don't care about what other people think
>borts invading the thread to genwar againWhy aren't they permabanned?
>>57217659>falseflagging alolatimmy with xher d&c kike division tactics
>>57217659>>57217662samefag
things weren't as bad before the IP counter got nuked
>>57216570>pretendingalso>fr/lg
>>57216570>daipa apologist thread
>>57216570Unless by "peak" you mean "uncompromisingly abysmal", then you're a faggot. Quit living in the past. In before underage
>>57218159Yeah goyim, come play the latest game. dont forget the double DLC pack
>>57216609this
>>57218171>Mario 64 is often considered a masterpiece>SV looks like Mario 64>SV isn't considered a masterpiece????
>>57218177>mario 64 is considered a masterpiece by 1996 standards>fast forward 30 years>a shitty open world tech demo is uglier visuals and worse performance than mario 64 is considered dogshit???
>>57216570IMO the DS gens aged the best, they still retain the sort of early Pokemon charm (no doubt owed to the sprites) but aren't too old that they feel dated. Pretty much all the qol life stuff they added in the more modern games I could go without, yes it makes raising your team easier, but some of the fun comes from the difficulty in attaining your perfect team imo.My only issue with them is that somehow we STILL don't have rom hacks letting me play infinite unique Gen4/5 games.
>>57218188the "perfect team" in the DS games is one overleveled pokemon and a bunch of HM slaves so this cope doesn't work unless you're just shit at the games.
>>572181882d games tend to age better graphically than 3d ones in general
>>57218202Yeah, it's probably why BW looks so bad. They filled the overworld with ugly as fuck 3D graphics.
>>57218192>this cope doesn't work unless you're just shit at the games.You're good at the games? What's your ball rank or ELO?
>>57218202i feel like the 3ds games aged fine, there's a unique charm to the 3DS that I feel doesn't get enough appreciation, but yea the sprites are very nice to come back to even now
>>57218204>this looks bad
>>57218188>Pretty much all the qol life stuff they added in the more modern games I could go without, yes it makes raising your team easier, but some of the fun comes from the difficulty in attaining your perfect team imo.I kinda agree, fucking around with glitches and RNG manipping teams in the older games is fun for some autistic reason.
>>57218215Yes.
>>57218216it definitely depends on the kind of player you are.I can completely understand why some people like the newer games where you catch a Tyranitar, use xp candy on it, change it's nature, and do whatever else you want with it and have it ready to go in a half hour, but for me the satisfaction I get in raising a strong Pokemon in the older games is much higher.
>>57218210Personally i really like XY graphics, SM is great too but i think it shines more upscaled, can't say the same for switch ones tho
>>57218215It does lol
>>57218541>it does because... IT JUST DOES OK?
>>57216570HGSS don't belong
>>57218786ok discordnigger
IT'S JUST BAD OK IT'S FUCKING BAD IT'S THE WORST GAME EVER MADE
>>57216570WRONG
>>57218786This. It's the only game in the image that's actually good.
>>57218786this
>>57217414this>>57217466this so much
>>57216570Platinum and Diamond>Introduced the worst pokemon all time (lucario), also they gave it to everyone for free so child could more easily buy its toy.>Introduced new eeveelutions, both are a recolored version of umbreon.>Weakest box art legendaries so far>Entry so weak it was the last pokemon gen for milions of players.HGSS>Good remake but...>Gen 2 just suck, no saving graces but the character design of humans, not enough for a pokemon game.Gen 1 or 3 are the peaks, too bad gen 3 sold like shit due it being more """edgy""">>57216705>Rushed gen where every pokemon is generic moe shit otherwise anime animators/designers cant churn out episodes and toy fast enough.>One legendary is a anime only badly hidden fetish that was later smeared into the game as a last-minute addition.>"Peak"
>>57216570HGSS are amazing experiences. DPP are actual piss.
>objectiveAutist bait.
>>57217794>>fr/lgYes. Still the best way to play Kanto.
>>57220289Gen III sold worse because GSC was so bad it turned a lot of people off from the series.There was a bigger drop off in sales from Gen I to Gen II than Gen II to Gen III.
>>57218216I think the best way to do it is keep all the modern QoL stuff locked behind the post game or as optional rewards for pokedex completion. Also the Pokdex needs to be upgraded to just be an in game database instead of just flavor text.
>>57220558>I think the best way to do it is to make the majority of the game shittier for no real reason
>>57220563Why do opinions confuse and infuriate you like this?
>>57220563You guys really should play other RPGs or learn to get better b8
>>57220571>the earth is flat>”no it isn’t retard”>why do le opinions infuriate you?
>>57220578>he doesn't know what an opinion isI guess that explains why they make you so upset.
>>57220591>no uYou're a brown virgin lol
>>57216578>take emerald>give it worse map designSinnoh is just as good if not better>give it worse pokemon distributionOutside of a lack of fire types it's actually pretty good distribution. Platinum fixed this entirely and then some>give it worse performancePlatinum fixed this entirely>give it worse game balancingIt's honestly fine>give it worse battle facilitiesFair enough, battle frontier was peak>add in tedious shitty mechanics like swarms/honey trees/great marsh/daynight just to pointlessly pad the gameThe only thing new here are honey trees and they're only annoying if you really really want a Vespiqueen. Every other feature is cool and personalizes the gameplay.>"TH-THIS IS LE PEAK!!"Yeah
>>57220896>Platinum fixed this entirelyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBfPgLiNEXM
>>57220586>he doesn't know what an opinion isI guess that explains why you can’t make an argument.
facts
>>57220563Shittier how? You only need that stuff for postgame competitive team building.
Emerald: soulPlatinum: soullessIt's just that simple
>>57220968If I only need it for postgame team building then there’s no reason to remove it from the campaign.
>>57221138both are soulless full priced dlcs slop. but at least platinum improved a lot more dp than emerald did to rs
>>57220289lmao this is so retardedemerald and sapphire <introduced the worst pokemon ever (blaziken) also gave it to everyone for free so child could more easily buy its toy<introduced tons of gay double battle gimmick mons, all recovered versions of each other(plusle, minun, volbeat, etc)<Weakest box art legedaries so far <Entry so weak it was the last Pokémon gen for millions of playersFRLG<Shit remake but…<Gen 1 just suck, no saving graces but the character design of humans hurr
>>57216578>Worse pokemon distributionThere are literally 5 fire types in the whole game one being a starter one being so late into the game you question the point of using it and the rest are literal shitmons
>>57221138both are sovl doe
>>57221158Blaziken is the most deep and holistic starter ever designed and a shining beacon for excellent mon design.
>>57216570So true
>>57221807k furry
>>57221415What do you need a fire type for
>>57222035you don'tand even if you think you do, Platinum lets you use one of the best ever designed, Houndoom
>>57222121Houndoom is a great example of how perfect some of the second gen Pokémon are, along with Umbreon and many others. Don’t understand the hate in this thread for what is, probably, the best iteration in the series.
>>57222620Houndoom is actually an exception to the rule and is literally wasted in GSC/HGSS which is actually one of the most common complaints and criticisms of Johto of all time.
>>57216570it really felt like the culmination of the series. the downside being that there was nowhere to go from here but down.
>>57223021>>57221138>>57220919this is all the same obese spic bumping xher sloppy threads on her iphone
>>57218215Kino, I wish every pokemon game would follow through with BW's style, its so good.
>>57221158>introduced the worst pokemon ever (blaziken)Hate it or love it, blaziken was a trendsetter, not a cheap copy like lucario..Blaziken also kept the "monster" part of pokemon intact, while lucario is just a guy in a furry suit, a huge nose, and blue shorts (for some god forsaken reasons), but yeah the damage gen 2 did with toys and pokemon designs is still present in gen3...>recovered versions of each other(plusle, minun, volbeat, etc)recolored pokemon are not a bad thing, eevolutions being recolored umbreon is fucking garbage, worked in gen2 due dark and psychic being strange types... but grass and ice should have stuck with gen1 elemental eevee vibes>Gen 1 just suckIf you think gen1 sucks you should just stick to minecraft, or stick to gen2 with its anime friendly designs otherwise animators and toy designers could released toys and episodes fast enough
>>57224728>guy in fursuit with red pants good! yours bad! j-just ignore zangoose has an entire week dedicated to making faggy fat fetish art in japan!>gay copy and pasted garbage bug twins and pikachu clones good! yours bad!lmao fuck off retard
>57224774Blaziken was ok because it's the first time doing it and it was not so on the nose and it was better designed, lucario is just a cheap copy of something GF knew worked (blaziken).>zangoose has an entire week dedicated to making faggy fat fetish art in japanand who the fuck cares about the fandom?? I would kinda impressed by the fact you even know about that, but considering you are a fucking lucario fan it's kinda obvious you are a furry, did you masturbated on zangoose too?Anyway zangoose is an ok pokemon, and its rivalry with seviper is also kinda of nice>gay copy and pasted garbage bug twins and pikachu clones good! yours bad!Volbeat and illuminise are the most ok pokemon ever... like they exist and they make a lot of sense in the game world, do you hate volbeat because it isnt furry enough for you???Also "gay" lmaoDont tell you are one of the fag that like genV where every pokemon is some sort of edgy shit Pikachu clones are bad that is for sure
>>57225216>blaziken’s ok because im a fag that jerks to men in chicken masks and red pants, ok?>its ok to make lazy copy and pasted designs of shitty bugs, but the green dog supposedly ripping off the black one? big no no>bitch replying >genv le bad!!its ok to say you’re a fag anon, this shit website has a faggot containment for aids-spreading freaks like you >>>/lgbt/
>Pokemon whose whole gimmick is to evolve in something different >Have 3 wildy different evolutions based around different elements>Its new dark evolution become one of the most popular pokemon ever>All the following evolutions become recolored version of that dark versionUnovafag with lucario bodypillow eating this shit like it's gourmet
>xhe so asshurt xhe forgot how to reply>xhe probably thinks getting a reply on 4chan is like points on reddit, where xhe originally came from>>57225325go sit on your blaziken dildo while hugging your volbeat and illumise plushies, homo
>>57225325>unovafag>gen 4 pokemon body pillow
>>57225343He’s probably a poorfag mexican and his phone can’t emulate anything other than FRLG romhacks so he’s seething.
gsc and hgss are objectively the peak of the franchise because you can have CHADnium as your starterthe entire game could be dogshit but as long as i get to start with chikorita i don't carealthough it does certainly help that HGSS is also just better than all the other pokemon games regardless
>>57217391Gen 5 has one aspect that makes it better than Platinum or HGSS. And that is just in the EXP algorithm. Everything else, from plot, to world design, to aesthetic, is worse.
>>57225779>Plotstop being a contrarian, 5 is waaaaaaaay better than 4>World Designmeh, gen 4 is better but gen 5 is still enjoyable>AestheticSubjective
>>57216570Imagine how much better this board would be if the DS babies were banned from ever posting
>>57225812
>>57216570I really hate the move animations in gen 4the new mons are also pretty garbage and so is their distribution
>>57225798The plot is definitely worse. Cyrus just being an autist that hated the world and wanted to make it a perfect mechanical system is silly, but it is silly in a way that doesn't pretend that its deep. B/W really thinks its onto something clever with N and Ghetsis, but it is still so overly cartoonish and tacky, that it falls apart. Especially when you spend a couple of minutes thinking about how you know, the games explicitly demonstrate to you that Pokemon only obey and stay with trainers they respect in the first place (hence the Badge Requirements for Traded Pokemon). It fails to actually ask an interesting question, and fails to even play its premise straight without kneecapping it with Plasma being the standard bumbling evil team that the series always used.
>>57225834idk why bw is so hard to understand. the plot isn't good because of the "premise" (which is just a plot device for the characters), the plot is good because N, who has lived his entire life in a lie, finds himself thrown into the outside world and can't figure out how things really are, plus Ghetsis plan is genuinely smart
>>57225859Ghetsis's plan relies on the masses being too dumb to remember that 'pokemon listen to their trainers because they like and respect them'. Despite that being a central rule of the game mechanics since the beginning. N's arc isn't as interesting as you describe it, which is the issue.
>>57225871If you have great rhetorical skills, it's not hard to gaslight people into doubting even something that seems obvious>N's arc isn't as interesting as you describe it, which is the issue.Subjective
>>57216578Yes lol
Why do the DS games piss off millennials so much? Is it because they missed out?
why do the GBA games piss off zoomers so much? is it because they missed out?
>>57226283Zoomers love the GBA games though
>>57226283>is it because they missed out?yes
>>57226283Why are you hiding behind the GBA games XYtroon?
>zoomer outs himself by thinking millenials grew up on xykwab
>>57226299no they don't>don't prefer Red Rescue Team>don't prefer Emerald>don't prefer FRLGthe oldest ones may have started with RSE but you know a lot of Hoennbabies started with RBY, so work that out
>>57226283no physical special splitthat's pretty much iteveryone recognizes how nearly perfect and superior Emerald is in multiple respects, but many zoomies just can't get past the "outdated" mechanicsnot even really the case that much either considering how so many of them now have taken the Gen III OU pill thanks to fellow zoomer Jimothy Cool shilling for it
>>57226279Platinum is pretty accepted and respected.A segment of johtoddlers do think HGSS lost the soul.Most people didn't like BW/2 for reasons that have been stated to death.
>>57225859so you have to be gay for N to think BW has a good plot, checks out
>>57227417yeah they do, im a zoomer and first played fire red retard
>>57227440>>57227433>wasn’t allowed to have videogames but loved Pokémon when gen 1 came out>watched my friends play for hours over their shoulder>finally get a GBA for Christmas >finally convince mom to let me buy a Pokémon game>went to GameStop and got Pokémon Ruby in 2003>gen 3 started a 2nd wave of Pokémon fever, gen 1 and 2 kinda combined into 1 big wave>everyone was playing, especially since it was almost 3 years since a new game, and kids who had gold and silver sometimes skipped crystal>go back and play the old games, get Silver, blue and Yellow (and sapphire for trading)>feels nice to play old games but they’re dated>next year fire red and leaf green come out, amazing updates to the original games>get to re experience the original games all over again, causes another wave of Pokémon fever>then Emerald comes out, continuing this, these were the best times, old enough to know what going on, young enough to still enjoy Pokémon, getting to reexperience gen 3 like I did with gen 1>then nothing from 2005-2009>diamond and pearl weren’t big with any of my friends, I was older now, and skipped them>but platinum came out. And I got it, pretty sure I was kinda depressed and didn’t care that none of my friends played it>got back into Pokémon, went back and played Al the old games again, getting another fold of re experiencing all the games over again>get crystal, it’s the same awesome “re experience” of the gen 2 games>heart hold and soul silver come out>I just played crystal, not interested >skip most games for years after this>get some of the newer games but none of them make me feel like they used to, even Omega Ruby which I really thought would>scarlet and Violet were fun only cuz I played with my gf
>>57227564Emerald is like GTA V, it’s the gravestone at the end of the good times, the last hurrah of the first major waves of Pokémon fever. Platinum was a very good game, a nice bump, a revisit to the thing I loved as a child before the magic faded forever. The way the timeline works out and my age at the time makes me believe I experienced Pokémon in the best way possible. Everything pretty much worked out perfectly to have me re-experience the entire franchise 3 or 4 times over, with the wonder and magic preserved. I expect others around my age will agree. I wonder if people way younger or older than me have the same or similar experience, I hope so, because it was the best thing in the whole world to experience.
>>57227440so you started with Gen 3 and prefer Gen 4/5, like I said
>>57227573most people who like Emerald will not agree Platinum is worthless
>>57227597i like gen 3 and 4 about equal. 5 is great, but i played it years later and there's no nostalgia to prefer it
