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>suddenly

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>>57232975
Increasing amount of fluoride and microplastics in the water supply.

It’s always been a vp to dislike it, Gen6 is universally acclaimed

>>57232975
because XY came out after years of incredible pokemon games, it's a much better game than Diamond and Pearl, but when you compare them to Platinum, HGSS, BW and BW2 of course they pale in comparison
but then you compare it to SM, USUM, SwSh and SV, they're better
XY was never a bad game, it's just an average one that showed up after the best ones, of course the powergap felt so big

>>57233017
>but when you compare them to Platinum, HGSS, BW and BW2 of course they pale in comparison
not really

I never played XY. Actually thinking about it there's bunch others too. Switch ones, most of the 3rd/4th in gen games. I fucking suck

>>57233017
>it's a much better game than Diamond and Pearl
nah
>but then you compare it to SM, USUM, SwSh and SV, they're better
not really

>>57233017
Platinum is 95% the same game as Diamond and Pearl

I'm convinced that the people who think Platinum is some godsend haven't actually played Diamond and Pearl and are just repeating ecelebs and other retards.

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>>57233030
DP is trash and hardly a finished game same goes for XY. At least gen 4 got Giratina Origin before the next gen.

>>57233030
yes really

>>57233043
>same goes for XY
nope

>>57233043
>DP is trash and hardly a finished game
nope
>same goes for XY
yep

>>57233045
no really

>>57233046
lmao you cant even use mega Diancie in XY because GF didn't care about the shit game enough to update it with new megas kek.

>>57232975
Fentanyl

>>57232975
>suddenly
Always did. Keeping yourself to /vp/ simply blinded you from that fact that it is universally loved.

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>>57233042
Nah DP is trash and a hardly finished game the Palmer fight in the battle tower just reuses Cynthia's theme for example the Pokemon distribution is even worse and Stark Mountain is borderline unfinished.

>>57233076
>top
SOVL
>bottom
soulless

You can clone items in DP. They’re the best games in the DS by far

>>57233067
>>57233013
based

>>57233017
>when you compare them to Platinum, HGSS, BW and BW2 of course they pale in comparison
Reasons to play XY over BW
>trainer customization
>streak based triple battles
>streak based rotation battles
>inverse battles
>being able to actually farm berries
>being able to collect new ribbons for your ribbon master
>being able to use pokeradar
>being able to fish chain and use more than 1 rod
>having better EV training
>having better breeding
>being able to interact with your pokemon
>seeing drastically better animations
>having drastically better multiplayer
>having more routes
>having 100 extra pokemon

Reasons to play BW over XY
>…

>>57233079
Sorry that you are a bad player than cant get his items legitimately.

>>57232996
>>57233064
based

>>57233083
we can't stop winning.. xychads

>>57233084
Sorry that your brain has been Judaised by trannies in twitter, but I’m not replaying a game for a tm

>>57233083
Most of the features you listed were removed for a reason kek also
>berry farming
Literally a useless feature you only need one of each berry unless you play a smogon format without item clause but even then they are rare as leftovers is better in most cases.

>>57233083
>>inverse battles
geg

>>57233096
I dont need to replay the game to get a TM retard most moves I need are in the battle frontier.

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>>57233083

>>57233083
Bortsisters..

>>57233103
go ahead and show me the second explosion tm, sis

>>57233083
BORTS BTFO FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME

>>57233114
Buy it retard are you broke bad or dumb?

>>57232975
because looking back on it you can tell it/sun moon (same game basically) were the last two they tried in any way on.

holy samefag yawnman

>>57233076
You're not disproving what I said. Your image is 95% the same between both, navigation is practically identical. The aesthetics improved a bit but it's still the same game, it would be like saying Pokédex entries make or break the game.

Platinum adds Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Tangela/Tangrowth, and Tropius to Gen IV, big whoop. You could already obtain 440+ Pokémon in Sinnoh between DP to begin with, and that's without Pal Park. Platinum improves distribution? I saw my playtime in Diamond, it's over 200 hours and I beat the League around 20 hours. 90% of my playtime along with everyone else who played it spend the majority of time after the League. Pokémon's current autistic culture is to just download a ROM and play through 5+ games a year, with the post-game hardly being touched. But when these games came out, it was your Pokémon game for a year or two, you weren't restarting them over and over again, you built on your file.

borts literally in shambles fuck

>>57233120
took too long to answer tranny, you’ve been exposed googling info and don’t play the games

>>57233131
I just explained how parts of the game are unfinished they are similar but looking back DP is a much worse experience than PT its like you are playing a beta test.

>>57233131
>Platinum adds Regirock, Regice, Registeel
and even these you still need an event to get lmfao

>>57233131
>Platinum adds Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Tangela/Tangrowth, and Tropius to Gen IV, big whoop
Actually being able to use Gallade, Glaceon, Magnezone, Gliscor, Electivire and more than 2 fire types before the game ends is the difference, moron

>>57233133
Were you shooting up HRT before typing this because it took you 4 times as long to respond to my post compared to yours.

unovaborts your days are numbered

>>57233149
So surely XY is better than Platinum because it allows me to use 200+ more Pokemon before the game ends, right?

>>57233152
sry your crackhead toothless whore of a mother shit on my dick

TBD

>>57233157
No sorry, base DP are already better than XY lmao

>>57233161
based
>>57233160
cringe sharty sametranny

>another sagefag gen 4, 5, 6 genwar thread

>>57233146
I never said Platinum wasn't better (it's actually worse in a handful of ways), just that the games are 95% the same experience. I like most of the stuff Platinum adds, but it's mostly additional icing. DP is the cake itself, it set up what Sinnoh fundamentally is, its design decisions. The way the region is designed, the whole layout, the mechanics, the majority of the music, the majority of the characters, the majority of the narrative, the majority of the Pokémon, did not debut in Platinum.

The Distortion World is cool, but it's also fairly short and uneventful. The Regis are cool but they need a fateful encounter Regigigas and the locations have nothing special to them. Also I was wrong, I forgot Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres were added too. It's cool, but they're simple roamers without new dungeons or really any significant story content. There are lots of new bells and whistles but it's still pretty much the same game. If you're the kind of person who likes the Battle Frontier, good for you, but I don't care for facilities. liked DP so I knew I would like Platinum. I didn't like SM so I knew I wouldn't like USUM. Emerald has many of the same fundamental issues that RS have even if it has more going for it.

>>57233160
Based
Asf

Shartborts BTFO with facts and logic

>>57233172
Blah, blah, blah
gliscor and battle factory, no need for DP

>>57233160
>>57233083
Kino

>>57233149
>Before the game ends
Did you not read my post? What you say is the "end" is hour 20 of my 200+ hour experience, 10% into my game.

It's so arbitrary to say "You have to stop playing as soon as the credits roll the first time", particularly for Pokémon. The majority of the content is after the credits. Imagine not battling Red or doing the Sevii Islands or going to east Unova.

Uh oh bort melty

>>57233187
>replied to my own posts again award

>keeps (you)ing multiple people
>nooo only one person hates unova!
Your brain on gen5 kek

>>57233178
>Insert Emerald into GBA slot after getting National Pokédex
>Find wild Gligar on a number of routes
>Find Razor Fang at the Battle Park
Gliscor is available in DP without Pal Park.

By the way I think Kalos' massive number of Pokémon is a detriment because they don't do anything interesting for encounter methods for the majority of them, they just feel like platitudes of filler.

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>>57233017
>but then you compare it to SM, USUM, they're better
Not really.

>>57233013
>Gen6 is universally acclaimed
Bullshit for 500 Alex

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>>57232975
>Charizard and faggy zoomer colors
opinion discarded

>>57233220
X and Y received generally positive reviews; critics praised the games' visuals and transition to 3D models, though the games' story, characters and linearity drew criticism. The highly anticipated games were a commercial success, selling four million copies worldwide in the first weekend, beating their predecessors Pokémon Black and White's record and making them the fastest-selling games on the 3DS. As of 31 March 2023, a combined total of 16.68 million copies have been sold worldwide, making X and Y the second best-selling games on the system after Mario Kart 7.

I can’t handle the pure aura of the kalosian king bros

bvsed

>>57233013
Nah, even on /vp/ when XY came out it was extremely beloved.
pre-3DS hacking XY was one of the peaks of the series and the franchise.
That XY never had a Z continues to be a disgrace and arguably the moment everything truly went to shit.

>>57233017
>SM, USUM, SwSh and SV
All vastly superior to XY unironically.

>>57232975
Still has the best starter trio of all time only hipsters hated it back then on release because they were too poor to afford the 3DS

XYgods.. I kneel

>>57233083
Framing this

hi sabor

Peak Gen
Peak mins
Peak music
Peak sex appeal fr

>>57232975
upcoming game is kalos so they are setting up ground for bootlicking

Based asf

S𐐬yphopia will not be tolerated

>>57233198
>interesting encounter method
>lol just buy emerald
lol
lmao even

>>57232975
fucking 32 year old man is dressing up his character (girl) in a pokemon game

>>57233315
Based, Xy starters are kino

>>57232975
It's a phenomena with every media franchise. Looking back at shit they grew up with rose tinted glasses and being unable to discern what is good from bad because of thst. it's why in the last year or so there's been an open floodgate of retards claiming Sonic 06 of all fucking things is good and misunderstood etc., it's just the nature of these things.

>>57233413
>>57233315
more sametranny juanito ?

Damn this guy really wants the Xy thread up!

kek mutties mad

>>57233418
Probably because sagemutt keeps saging and shitposting and trying to derail it

>>57233421
Perfect example of dishing it out but can’t take it

Yea Xy we’re really cool:)

It’s
>platinum
>BW2
>Xy for me

>>57233461
Why platinum ober xy

>>57233359
This but also
>starters
>soundtrack
>legend (mainly yveltal

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>>57233013
>>57233083

>>57233067
Based

>>57233404
I already had Ruby, FireRed, and Emerald when DP came out, and my brother had Sapphire and LeafGreen. It was easy to coordinate and I'm sure there's some toggle in current emulation. You might as well complain that you need an original DS or DS Lite to use the mechanic, or that you need another DS model with the opposite version, and how are you expected to acquire those things for a reasonable price in 2025?

These things are easy to deal with in this day and age because nobody plays legit.

Fans always loved her

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>>57234406
Sagejeet infiltrated the janitorial system.

>>57232975
Idk, XY was really short, easy, and is visually boring. There's also nothing to do after beating the games. God the lay out of the gyms is so bad and the leaders themselves all suck. Atleast a few of them had good designs. XY also has the absolute worst elite 4 imo.

>>57232975
Everyone ITT acts like its some inexplicable phenomenon or miss the question entirely, but I think its just people who grew up with these games or grew up after its release remembering the good times without a bunch of Online People yelling in their ear about it being good or not

>>57232975
>suddenly
Normalfags have always liked XY because it was a "return to form" (see: nostalgia pandering in a way that's more direct and obvious to their retarded pea brains) and the big leap of Pokemon going fully 3D.

>>57233017
Aside from the dumbass forced hate for DP, I agree with this statement.

why is it only /vp/ that's always this consistently awestruck by the "new game bad old game good" cycle that plagues literally every gaming fandom on the planet

>>57233270
This. I feel like the flaws of XY/Gen 6 could be overlooked for the sheer fucking pleasure of being able to actually do a living dex if you have the patience, the most interaction we'd had with our Mon in the series (Amie with mini-games and Super Training) and the sheer ease of battling, from the streamlined set up of getting a competitive ready Mon that was actually made fun to an extent by Super Training them up and the PSS making finding new people to battle with or someone on the other side of the planet, as well as friends and close by people were part of what kept it alive. That feeling of seeing the green light on your 3DS go off, flipping it open to find someone nearby at College or on a long commute and sending/receiving a battle or trade request felt like the most perfected form of this series' core purpose and appeal when it came out: trading, battling and communicating with other people. It has never been replicated and can never be experienced on a replay due to Nintendo shutting down the 3DS' servers and without it, you're kinda just stuck with a game that due to the lack of a Z to expand on it's core concepts, kinda just feels unfinished and thrown to the wayside for the next big thing.

>>57234415
>Idk, XY was a Pokemon game

>>57233668
I've never understood the bitching about games having mechanics that were meant to be used when the game was released. I see a similar complaint about trade evolutions. It's all based on the faulty premise that
>you didnt have friends to trade with
>you didnt have other Pokémon games
Hell, aside from a replacement Soul Silver, I still have all my Pokémon games from growing up.
It's like you said, everyone just emulates, so they can't imagine not having breakfast this morning.

I guess you could make an argument for a lack of future proofing, but you could also make an argument for making older games still useful for games current in 2007

>>57234509
"you need to own another game just to make the game have less dogshit encounters" was already a shitty mechanic even when the game released.

>>57232975
I wouldn't have touched it if it didn't have so many kanto mons. the multiplayer system was dope though

>>57234509
No, its actually faulty premise to assume you had both of those.

>>57233013
Everyone appreciates XY for being a less offensive experience than BW before it (except borts, who try to force the narrative of *it* instead being the downfall of Pokemon), even if it was far from perfect or an exceptional game.

Poketubing and community engagement in general exploded thanks to interest in XY / early Gen VI. It was responsible for reigniting many lapsed fans' fervor for Pokemon.

On /vp/, again, you will easily soon notice that the only group consistently pushing Gen VI hate is Gen V lovers, which are already themselves a minority in the fanbase at large (and only as numerous as there are zoomers on here).

>>57232978
fpbp.

This board could not be more out of touch. It is hilarious to me that people think it's "revisionist history" when the XY era was so active if you were actually here. Most of the changes in XY became fan favorite additions to the game.

Yawncord running damage control.

Bort mass dilation

>>57234532
>On /vp/, again, you will easily soon notice that the only group consistently pushing Gen VI hate is Gen V lovers
Wishful thinking.
I for one think XY is inferior to everything that came after in every metric.

>>57234546
PSS > Plaza

>>57234546
megas>z-moves

>>57234546
>Gen VII--onward > Gen VI
lmao

>>57233024
XY isn't a must-play, it's best used as mouthwash after finishing (or trying to finish) BW; but also, you had to be there.

Also, you only needed to have played Emerald and Platinum.

>>57233042
>95%
on the contrary you sound like the one who hasn't played Platinum and D&P

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Yawnoid now trynna do be pitting 3 & 4 against 5

>>57234583
>late millennial
see Gen III & Gen IV as a duology
>early zoomer
see Gen IV & Gen V as a duology and/or Gen III & Gen IV & Gen V as a trilogy

simple as

>>57234406
it was that guy who used to flood with soijaks when he went into a meltdown, doing that and spamming cuckshit

>>57234583
Gen 5 and 6 are sistergens

>>57234607
That's a nonbiological social construct .

>>57234512
hmmmmm, who do I trust about the value of the version exclusive mechanic, a random retard on /vp/ or the empirical data that says that feature was almost singlehandedly responsible for boosting the original pokemon games into the massive hits they were?

>>57234615
Nice fanfic.

>>57234615
The games you screech about having “dex bloat” by actually putting the Pokemon in the game instead of locking them to retarded postgame gimmicks sold drastically better than DPPt so even by your own braindead logic you’re still wrong.

>>57232975
Because ZA is releasing this year so Kalos is magically good instead of being unfinished slop that turned Pokémon into mediocre garbage

>>57234620
>>57234636
coping and seething samefag

>>57232975
There's nothing wrong with the games being easy
If you want difficulty play online, hacks or rogue

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>>57233083
' drastically better ' -> she loves this word very much ?

>>57234652
Or gens 1-5

>>57234756
Those arent difficult doe.

>>57234656
yawnsodomite has a small vocabular

>>57234759
lol

>>57234765
Kids games are difficult for you? Damn wait until you play a real game.

>>57233131
Platinum has a much better postgame than DP. You're so emotionally invested in going against the consensus on Gen IV that you're cucking yourself out an objectively better experience. You're missing out on Gym Leader rematches, Elite Four & Champion rematches, four additional battle facilities, improved postgame-storyline, both Dialga and Palkia, the Griseous Orb side-quest, Magikarp that range from levels 1-100, furnishing your villa, legendary birds of Kanto, additional Arceus lore, etc.
>90% of my playtime along with everyone else who played it spend the majority of time after the League.
Well you'd have a hell of a lot more than 180 hours of aftergame content if you'd played Platinum instead, you deluded idiot.

>>57234793
>y-you’re missing out on shitty npc rematches that have no gameplay except clicking the super effective button 5 times!
lmao

>>57234765
someone post that gif of the guy plowing through gen 5 spamming the same move with a scraggy

>>57234796
she spammed A—> never maded to thorton silver

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>>57233131
And that's not to mention that the pacing from gyms 2-5 in DP are completely fucked up. All of the wild encounters, NPCs, hell even the fucking bosses are severely underlevelled because DP is just that incompetent. Why the fuck does Barry still have a Starly and level 25s when the last gym leader had a level 30 Lucario? Platinum fixed this awful design at the expense of DP's failed, pretentious non-linearity.

>>57234796
You're also missing out on the Battle Factory, unironically the greatest no-expense activity in any mainline game. Long plane ride? Battle Factory. It's a luxury DPlebians like yourself will never experience

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>>57234570
Not pictured:
>English Stadium 2 cartridge
>Battle Revolution
>Ranch
>Pokémon Emerald: Official Nintendo Player's Guide
>Pokémon Diamond and Pearl: Official Nintendo Player's Guide
>Pokémon Diamond and Pearl: The Ultimate National Pokédex
>Pokémon Platinum: Prima's Official Strategy Guide
>Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver: Prima's Official Strategy Guide
>Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver: Pokédex
>Pokémon Black and White: Prima's Official Strategy Guide - Collector's Edition
>Diamond and Pearl pre-order bonus from EB Games (DS case)
>Ruby instruction manual
>FireRed instruction manual
And they never gave me the Lugia figure for pre-ordering SoulSilver, only HeartGold when I picked up both.
The only secondhand stuff is Japanese.

>>57234774
Post team
>>57234799
>beating the game with a single good Pokemon
So you played on easy mode

>>57234854
>So you played on easy mode
Yeah, it’s called “not being bad at the game”

>>57234854
>>beating the game with a single good Pokemon
1- the guy kept it as a Scraggy the entire game
2- if pokemon games were good they wouldn't even allow you to do this regardless of the pokemon
3- using more than 1 pokemon doesn't make the game harder, it makes it more time consuming, which isn't the same thing

Pearl->Mismagius
Plat->Magmortar(lol)
Pearl->exit Hearthome before fighting Fantina
Plat->Retardproofed map
Pearl->Mystery Zone
Play->Go to gamestop for Shaymin, goy
Pearl->Easy tower
Plat->Move tutor npc slopsets
Pearl->ACE
Plat->relies on Pearl to do it
pearl win

>>57234856
>I'm not bad at the game that's why I play with optimal resources and can't beat it without them
>>57234862
1- That's good and all until you remember it has Moxie so it's still not the most difficult Pokemon to use
2- Pokemon fan doesn't understand Pokemon, a classic
3- Pokemon fan wants to play less Pokemon, another classic

>>57234853
>she didnt boughted oraskino

>>57234826
>>57234793
My point is that they are 95% the exact same game. Yeah the different 5% in Platinum is generally better, but there is a reason people hated third versions and started waiting for them instead of buying the first version.

How much NEW content was in Platinum? Now how does that compare overall to what was made for DP? Platinum is essentially a MOD of an existing game. The game did not fundamentally change. The things I liked in Platinum generally existed in DP first. Platinum has more so I like it more, but it's still mostly the SAME GAME.

>>57234656
—>YWNBJ

>>57234524
Why?

>>57234882
The 3DS games were starting to burn me out. The later DS games were already introducing issues to the series involving linearity and story prevalence, though I regret not buying B2W2.

I know Japanese now so a lot of the English games feel of lesser value anyway since they usually cut features and had localization differences, even though their market value is stupidly higher than the Japanese games.

>>57234888
Frankly, I think both DP and Platinum are good, even if Platinum is better overall.

>>57234893
Because theres what, 8 billion people in the world and how many Emerald copies sold?

>>57234888
Then don't go on about muh 200+ hours when you could realistically amass double that in Platinum's battle factory alone. Besides, Platinum is a MOD that's entirely necessary in order to make the base material playable. DP's slow as molasses surfing speeds and battle UI are reason enough to drop it in favor of Platinum. Although this serves as a testament to how shitty DP are rather than how great Platinum is. In that regard, it IS fundamentally different when mere QoL changes will ensure that nobody ever picks up DP ever again

>>57234793
this, and you weren't even exhaustive
"95%" is bullshit

>>57232975
Nostalgiafaggottry, megatards and ashanimefags

>>57234899
What does that have to with having friends?

>>57235002
Most people do not have Pokemon games so its stupid to assume everyones friend would have one.

>>57234933
I already said here >>57233172 that I don't care about facilities, if you do, whatever. They're open-ended and require too much grinding and breeding autism for me to really invest the time, and Pokémon's battle gameplay isn't good enough for me to do thousands of generated battles on top of what exists in the standard game.
There are like 4-ish water routes in the game, none of them particularly open like Hoenn's 17 water routes, so you hardly need to use Surf across your whole play time, it wasn't something people really took notice of just like how people don't talk about how you can't run in buildings in Gen III, though nobody goes "You can't even run in buildings in Gen III, that's how bad it was back then".

That's my point. Platinum is better than DP, sure, but the Pokémon community treats DP like they were Satan's spawn. Nobody does this for Ruby and Sapphire, nobody says Emerald salvaged them even though Ruby and Sapphire have major content and pacing issues in the back third. And that is because the Pokémon fandom has their "ESTABLISHED NARRATIVES" that they like to repeat over and over like parrots. The "DP is horrible" one began when Chuggaaconroy finished his Platinum LP, and people were like "Wow, I never realized how Platinum was better than DP in most ways". That's the exact moment I began seeing it start to be said. But it's retarded. Crystal didn't save Gen II. Emerald didn't save Gen III. Platinum didn't save Gen IV. They're building on existing foundations and if you liked the third version, chances are most of what you liked about it was in the base pair. Sinnoh was in DP, Hoenn was in RS, Johto was in GS, most of their Trainers, Pokémon, moves, mechanics, and everything else were too.

>>57232975
yawnfag won

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>>57235004
People who don't own Pokémon games are inherently irrelevant to this conversation so I don't understand your point

Regardless, the unit sales of RSE and FRLG combined add up to 35,280,000 units. Taking into account that there could be many people buying multiple games, we can say that up to 30.28 million people owned those Gen 3 games. If you're going to claim that there is a faulty premise in creating a method of adding to DPPts encounter tables, making use of new technology in that of the GBA slot, and adding usefulness for games past their current generation, all for the potential benefit of up to 30.28 million players

That is fucking nonsense.

>>57235465
And by the way, I know this is a yawnfag thread, my explanation is more for other people here

>>57235465
You know what would also benefit gen 3 players? Not making the encounters in DPPt shitty and reliant on postgame gimmicks.

>>57235465
>be a normal man
>go buy ds and pokemon game
>oops you cant complete it because you need another console and another game
this is pretty normal premise and if you dont get it you might be actually stupid

>>57233013
Ehhh if you speak to anyone outside /vp/ the vast majority will say it's average.

>>57235493
What do you even mean by "complete it?"

>>57235590
Getting Alakazam.

He won

>>57233225
And you think sales = better game?

>>57235650
I think better game = better game and XY being a better game led to better sales.

>>57235650
Yes i do think GTA 5 is better than E. T. the Extra-Terrestrial game.

>>57234532
I hate Gen V and I think it's better than Gen VI

>>57232975
I have loved XY since it came out 10+ years ago, cope

>>57234862
Was the Scraggy overleveled like crazy?

>>57235655
Not always. There's plenty of hidden gems. I almost didn't play BW because the Gen 4 kid at my school said it was trash. Lots of people didn't buy it because of people saying it was trash, without actually looking into the game first.

>>57235682
>I almost didn't play BW because the Gen 4 kid at my school said it was trash
And he was right. If BW was a good game he wouldn’t have said that and the game would have had more sales.

>>57235656
That one is obvious. But when it comes to a series like Pokémon, which only continues to grow more popular, it makes sense why XY sold better. Not because they were better games, but because more people were getting into the series and decided to buy the new games.

>>57235669
yes, and he also had the haxorus too
like legit 15 levels higher each time kek

>>57235689
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I later bought BW and played them and thought they were quite good, not as good as Gens III or IV, but still good.

>>57235691
XY were better games than BW

>>57235689
this

The best part of XY isn't even usable anymore.

>>57235689
>>57236234
That's like saying DP is better than Platinum

>>57234774
what's a real game?

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>>57236252

>>57233042
No you dumb faggot, even as a kid Diamond felt godawful slow to play, there were no Fire or Electric types in the Sinnoh Dex and the climax of the story was lame as shit, Platinum somehow managed to turn the worst Pokémon game up to that point into the best.

I think regardless of the reception it can be unanimously agreed XY were the greatest mainline games, if not the greatest 3ds games period

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XY has flaws, but I've always enjoyed it. I didn't think it deserved the hate it got.

>>57236522
I played Diamond at 13 and Platinum 2 years later. I mostly liked Platinum's additions, but I liked DP to begin with.
>Large amount of post-game content
>Lots of really cool Pokémon like Infernape and Garchomp
>Cool Spear Pillar climax and story lore
>Return of features like the day of the week and time of day, fleshed out further
>Cool events that weren't boring storyless distributions
>Actual tons of Pokémon to catch post-game, not like Ruby and Sapphire which fall off a cliff after the League, a single copy of Diamond or Pearl with no GBA games, trading, Wi-Fi or events can catch like 356 Pokémon, nearly the entire Gen III National Pokédex
I can remember that Sunday night nearly 18 years ago when I first heard Kricketune's cry, and also Chimchar's. The GBA's soundchip was ass, so it felt like a massive improvement.

Do you know what I thought about the low number of Fire-types before the National Pokédex? Nothing, because I didn't hear anyone mention it until like 2-3 years later meaning I didn't notice, just like I didn't notice the change in surfing speed for Platinum. It wasn't a big deal, it wasn't game-breaking to begin with and it's retarded to think otherwise.

I like Platinum but it's built on top of DP.

xy has chadnaught so yea, i always liked it

>>57237306
>togetic used air slash!

>>57236672
This. Pretending that Platinum is one of the greatest games in the entire series while DP are total dogshit is one of the takes I could never really get behind, since they really are fundamentally the same game on the same base.

>>57234497
Pre-Bank XY was an experience we’ll never get again. It’s the closest the social elements of Pokemon had been realized to their fullest potential since Gen 1.
>fuckhuge dex so it didn’t feel like much was “missing”
>incentivized to trade friend codes to get hidden abilities at the safari
>wonder trade
>PSS made trading and battling easy and accessible from anywhere
>Amie to bond with your bros
>breeding easier than ever
>super training and horde training making EVs easier than ever
>enough megas to the point that you could basically choose your favorite as your “ace” and it would probably be viable (prior to ORAS, all megas were viable in OU)
>absolutely no hacked pokemon because the 3DS had only been broken by like one guy and you couldn’t transfer from BW/2 yet
>said guy decided to leak the designs of the mythicals and other unreleased forms, and gave nothing else, so we could only speculate with playground-tier rumors

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>>57232975
The release of XY was so fucking hype and I pity anyone who wasn't around for it
>first 3d mainline pokemon game
>first simultaneous global launch
>leaks where way more hype due to the global launch
>first new type since gen 2
>first gen to feature a new major gimmick in mega evolutions
>still the best and coolest generation gimmick so far

It was pure 10/10 pokemon kino and everyone hating on gen 6 are zoomers who missed the launch and played the games almost a decade after launch on an emulator.

>57233297
>>>SwSh
>>>>>>SV
0/10 no (You) for (You)

>>57237372
>game carried entirely by online hype cycles
Truly ahead of its time

>>57232975
I've never played the DS or 3DS games and at this point I don't think that I ever will.

>>57237401
>>57233083

Honestly? I mean deadass?
These games sometimes be bussin sometimes frfr

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Every time XY comes up I write out paragraphs about how much better it is than people give it credit for for reasons that no longer exist, and how absolute dogshit black/white are, especially for the amount of praise that they get from zoomers. A few posts in here hit a lot of points I love bringing up, I'm glad it is seen by others.

XY is king. The last hurrah for the original genwunner kids, a celebration that was about the pokemon experience rather than trying to turn pokemon into masuda's autistic shitfit of a magnum opus jrpg-that-never-was.

Fuck you, unovaborts. Eat shit and die.

>>57237503
I think Masuda's intentions are misrepresented and misunderstood. RSE & DPPt already displayed a good amount of his vision, and GSC, which he had to clean up, also already demonstrated what happens when he's put in charge of projects with underlying shakey foundations.

I suspect Black/White wasn't solely his vision or impetus and that perhaps things had reached a point where there were too many cooks in the kitchen and too much undue faith in their abilities to conjure up gold no matter how the actual games were configured.

It seems BW was developed while huffing severe optimistic copium, that they could do no wrong. Remember that with Ruby and Sapphire, Junichi is on record as saying he didn't know whether they'd be able to keep the series going with this game and that they'd need to pull out all the stops to make it possible. Failure wasn't really an option with RS, whereas they developed BW thinking failure wasn't a possibility.

>>57236672
>GBA's soundchip was ass
no it wasn't

>>57237635
It's also worth remembering BW was around the time Japan was finally catching up with the "global internet" craze, so when he finally got around to checking out how those silly gaijins were doing, in a similar fashion to his "when I went to the stores in the west, it was all about Star Wars now" excerpt, he opened up Facebook and saw that just about every normalfag on there was either confused and saddened or outright furious that BW was completely unrecognizable from the Pokemon they remember from the magical time of Pokemania.

I always liked XY. My opinion of it has only increased with time. The XY anime definitely heightened my appreciation for the gen 6 games in a "what could have been" sort of way. I'm still salty about what happened with Z version.

>>57237644
In the late 2000s, the concept of a truly poorly designed Pokemon game was still largely inconceivable to most players. The critical analyses that are now commonplace today and have been so for close to a decade now did not exist. Articulating complaints was very difficult and usually limited to knee-jerk reactions to surface level issues, without a way to identify patterns of underlying and deep-rooted problems---because those things take time to become revealed.

For quite some time now, the *misunderstanding* has persisted that BW's rejection was done
>by kantykes
>because of no older mons
>against ice cream and trashbags
Sure, there may be have been people who never even played the game that chose not to because of those elements which were immediately obvious to them. But there also were plenty of people who had given it a shot, and still came out of the experience disliking it. And what did they have to say? Well, the focus isn't put on that. So who knows?

But now, this decade and however many years leading up to it, we get lists posted time and time again detailing Unova's many shortcomings. There is almost no mystery at all now as to why people who played BW hated BW; these reasons elaborated don't share much in common with the stereotyped rejection of yore. And yet when they're brought up, they're brushed off; when they're not brought up, this old tired line that it was "genwunners missing kanto" gets trotted out.

It's very clear at this point that the Unovabortion narrative heavily depends upon this painted picture of unfair victimization by people who didn't know better going off frivilous and petty reasons. They have shown themselves to be incapable of countering the substantial criticisms put forward by people who aren't kantykes and who do know better. But if they admitted it, then what? Their egos couldn't handle the consequences of accepting how despicable the game(s) really are. They're forced into denial forever.

>>57237776
meds and bwc

>>57237776
I don't have much to contribute to the discussion other than that I am appreciating these effortposts. It puts into words how I have felt for years.

>>57232975
>suddenly
It's literally all the kids who grew up on it having a louder voice now that they're adults.

>>57237776
Gen5 fans can’t even cope about muh yawnfag anymore, this dude isn’t him and completely dismantles gen5 with effortposts

>>57237834
I have browsed this board on and off since like 2014 or 2015 and I still have no clue who this yawn nigger is

Don't get me wrong, I don't really care, but still

>>57237503
>>57237776
Impressive, all those buzzwords without saying anything of actual substance. Yeah, Gen 5 fans are superficial every time they pretend that genwunners, lack of old mons or vanillite/trubbish line complaints are still revelant today. We know only normalfags say shit like that, but now, realistically, what were actual BW "flaws"?
>Linearity
While not an "objective" flaw, nobody can deny that, despite still having actual dungeons, the progression was indeed the most linear of the series at the time, aside from small exceptions like the backtracking to Route 17/18, but that's nothing compared to Hoenn or Sinnoh layouts. We know they did this because of actual feedback from japanese kids who get lost in DP, but one could argue that they could've handled this better, and i'd agree.
>Difficulty
While there are well known relatively hard fights like Lenora or Elesa, others like Brycen and Drayden/Iris can be disappointing, as they only have three Pokémon with weird sets. The overall difficulty can be argued as "inconsistent," but the game still presents fights (especially in the post-game) comparable to what came before in Gens 3 and 4.
>Missing features
I feel like this criticism is made in bad faith, it's not like they just cut features and called it a day, they aimed to replace those features with something different, not worse. the real issue can be how they implemented those features (Dream World), but that’s different from saying "lol those fuckers removed features are they stupid"

>>57238590
Now, let's compare that to XY
>Difficulty
The game just doesn't have challenging fights out of battle facilities
>Story/Lore/Characters
One of the greatest disappointments in the whole franchise, there's nothing else to say, we all know how rushed and nonsensical the plot is, despite its potential
>Missing features
I’d say something similar to BW. They focused heavily on online features, so when those were eventually removed, the game lost much more compared to, say DP. I hope they'll be able to bring back both the DW and PSS.

BW is my favorite game of all time for the story alone, but that doesn’t mean i’m disingenuous or blind to its arguable shortcomings. Both BW and XY have their ups and downs, and depending on what matters to you the most, you might prefer one over the other. Just stop acting like one of those "was so bad it killed the franchise".

>>57232975
I like XY. Even being the worst game in the franchise I still like it 7.5/10

>>57237643
Yes it absolutely was, it's one the things Nintendo cheaped out on. There are numerous mods out there for high quality audio.

GBA version
https://youtu.be/oihxsRRvNPw

Uncompressed high quality OST version
https://youtu.be/BrkszOv59A0

>>57234532
The people who hate XY are people who stopped playing in the DS era. It's not just borts, DPP and RSE onlies hate XY too.

>>57232975
Only schizos hate XY

>>57232975
I always found XY to be pretty bland but I thought that was a minority opinion. Overall I'd say it's generally preferred over Gens 5 and 7 at the very least.

>The community overall is revisiting XY prior to ZA launching
>consistent disappointment by them all
hilarious to watch

>>57239244
What other schizo delusions you invented do you want to share with the class?

>>57239249
>he thinks they're delusions
You clearly only spend time on /vp/ and nowhere else

>>57239244
It's almost like a massive portion of what made XY special now no longer exists due to 3DS online being dead, and that those online features contributed a lot to the game's magic. And even if you DID use unofficial servers to recreate that feeling, it wouldn't be the same because there's not going to be nearly as many players from all across the globe.

>>57239375
NTA but I haven't seen anyone replaying XY and saying something like "online isn't as good as I remember". It's way more so them playing through its main parts and saying such things instead.

>>57239255
You're right, I don't browse reddit. I'm sure you know what it's like there.

>>57232975
I have yet to see a single real fan of kalos excited for plass 2.
t. Real fan of kalos

People don't care about XY people care about it's ugly and overdesigned mega forms

>>57239375
>>57233083

>>57239393
>muh schizo
>muh reddit
Enough excuses and worthless distractions

>>57239405
>customization, interacting with your Pokemon
Something the average player cares about, yes.
>literally everything else
Things the average player does not care about.
>>having drastically better multiplayer
With a dead official online, and unofficial servers full of sweats because normalfags are too scared of Nintendo Ninjas that they think using unofficial servers is illegal? If anything BW and XY are on equal footing with their multiplayer now.

>>57239398
/thread

>>57239375
This. It’s why so many people who replay BW realize it’s shit. The only thing special about the game (the new dex) is gone now that the Pokemon aren’t new anymore.

>>57239509
This except people actually universally realize it's better than they remember by rediscovering many things about BW's game. In other words, not at all.

>>57239244
Except people actually universally realize it's better than they remember by rediscovering many things about XY’s game. In other words, not at all.

xy is so shit people would rather compare differences between gen4 games or genwarbait with gen 5

>>57239528
All Pokemon games are shit that people would rather argue over which looks and smells like the most appealing turd of the bunch, it doesn't matter which game or gen we're talking about.

>>57239522
This except you can't find a single example of this and are just pretending it's true.
>>57239536
>all pokemon games are shit
If you actually believe this why are you here?

>>57239540
>If you actually believe this why are you here?
You tell me. You're the one screeching about XY because of problems that are common to the entire series.

>>57239515
This except you can't find a single example of this and are just pretending it's true.

>>57239542
>You're the one screeching about XY because of problems that are common to the entire series.
Like? I'm not the one the literally hates the entire series anon.

>>57239540
>If you actually believe this why are you here?
Easy (You)s for a greater dopamine today than anything Pokemon itself has produced after my childhood, when I was a stupid no-standard having little dickhead who was wowed by the most basic of things, even if they were awful.

>>57239515
>>57239522
>>57239540
>>57239544
Hm, let me investigate this.
>Look up "Pokemon BW" on Youtube
>immediately three recently made video essays praising it
>Look up "Pokemon XY"
>ignore mostly animeshit
>few reviews but none anywhere nearly as highly praiseful

>>57239515
>>57239522
>>57239540
>>57239544
Hm, let me investigate this.
>Look up "Pokemon XY" on Youtube
>immediately three recently made video essays praising it
>Look up "Pokemon BW"
>ignore mostly musicshit
>few reviews but none anywhere nearly as highly praiseful

>>57238661
top sounds better

>>57239536
How can I think XY is good when the XY "fanbase" if you can even call it that also agrees XY is shit?

>>57238966
>Overall I'd say it's generally preferred over Gens 5 and 7 at the very least.
It is.

>>57239586
XY is good relative to other Pokemon games.

>>57239591
name 3 thing XY does better than other games
i'll help you, 1. Online

>>57239599
Berry farming and fishing :^)

>>57239602
:O

>>57239599
Customization, which earlier games don't have
Unintrusive story, which other nu-gen games don't have
Acceptable aesthetics, which other nu-gen games don't have

>>57239606
XY/Kalos is gorgeous, but no. The story is shit and JRPGs need it

>>57239599
....big regional dex
thats it, and its wasted on the easiest npcs in the series

>>57239609
learn to read

>>57239591
Then what's the point in saying XY isn't shit because all Pokemon games are shit if you were talking about relativity? You obviously shifted the goalpost.

>>57239626
I'll change my mind you explain to me why all the story is condensed in 10 minutes after gym 7 and why the grunts need to pay a 5,000,000 fee to join team flare.

>>57239635
>I'll change my mind you explain to me why it’s a pokemon game

>>57239639
>BW and SM aren't pokemon games

>>57239599
name 3 thing BW2 does better than other games
i'll help you, 1. uhhhhhhh

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>>57232975
At launch I really liked X&Y, it was not perfect but overall I thought it was good.

Lately I am revisiting the whole series alongside my friend who likes Pokémon but never got into the games, and honestly seeing the XY after RBY really shows how the Kanto fanservice is ass in XY. It felt like nothing more than soulless rehashing for the sake of attracting older millennials who then finally had disposable incomes and it made me notice how sidelined are the cute and cool new Kalosian mons.

The story has some cool ideas, like AZ or the comical~serious hypocrisy of Team Flare, but its whole friend group thing was just a bad copy of the Gen 4 rival, Cheren and Bianca with a bad love story shoved in, and Professor Sycamore comes across as a weirdo because he never challenges Lysandre's schizo ramblings.
I know story is a low bar in Pokémon but it's just a bummer with XY because it had potential to be a good story for a kids' game.

Being 20 levels above the Gym Leaders from Gym 3 onwards is just ridiculous. Exp Share All is great but where does the game even pull all this exp? We're not even grinding or trying to be overlevelled. There is no random asshole difficulty spikes due to this, to handicap yourself further than training 4+ mons you must do all sorts of crazy shit like turning off QoL Exp Share All, avoid fights or forcing yourself to not train a mon over a certain level. In none of the games we played yet we had any sort of overlevel and the games were still easy, so I get the feeling this is because either GameFreak did not balance the game or because they made it easy for people who just played to unwind.

Anyway, it's not a bad game, just mediocre and it feels cheap in retrospect, very possibly due GF still not being used to 3D development and 3D graphics (even their non-Pokémon games were all hand drawn 2d assets except for Harmoknight).

However there is something about this game that I don"t see discussed enough... (cont.)

>>57239659
Story, Characters, Graphics, Engine
:)

>>57239659
>>57239668
I misread BW1,
for BW2 it's content, gameplay, difficulty, post game, engine ;)

>>57232975
X&Y can be void of post game content, underbaked region and all of that, but they're infinitely more playable games than say Sun and Moon, which despite being more well produced games also have grating handholding and an intrusive story from start to finish

>>57239675
All worse than Platinum and HGSS.

>>57239681
this, sm and swsh are the real shitter

>>57239599
content, gameplay, difficulty, post game, engine

>>57239682
is it doe? show me the gold prints white boi

>>57239690
>engine
why all 3d pokemon games are doomed to have a shitty performance?

>>57239682
…and all 3 have infinitely more content than XY.

>>57239720
Infinity doesnt exist so nope.

>>57232975
XY was a robbed gen

TPCi wanted to get Gen 7 out for the anniversary ASAP. We could've had a Z version. But shit like Zygarde's complete form and Ash-Greninja were relegated to Sun and Moon.

>>57239720
see >>57233083

>>57239721
oh my arceus too bad i can't gift you reddit gold for that bazinga, kind sir

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>>57239665
... which is how it came out during the peak age of Tumblr and when Millennials all realized en-mass that nerdiness could be trendy and cool instead of cringe and fail and when they started getting disposable incomes. It was a second mini Pokémania *between young adults and older teens* who all left back at Gen 2.
You had these late teens and young adults returning to Pokémon in droves because their nerdier online friends (who never left pokémon) played XY and because these games encouraged online interaction. For a while, alongside Animal Crossing: New Leaf and FE: Awakening it was THE 3DS game that you played to socialize online and the fandoms were all connected in some ways.
(This is also why to this day and age Sycamore, Lysandre, ORAS' Maxie and Archie and Guzma are all popular husbandos; it's partially thanks to Pokétumblr's reach to other weeb and vidiya fandoms)

At the time, nobody could see XY's flaws because the online aspect was fun and encouraged socialization. This is how mid online games that are worse than XY thrive: human interaction.
And undoubtly the Kanto pandering helped at the time because Megas were cool and GameFreak had proper buzz and marketing with Megas of famous mons.

>>57239722
Would a Z version really have "saved" X and Y? I think it would have added some more cool things, but if you didn't like playing in Kalos to begin with, chances are you're just in for more of the same anyway because they can't change what the game is with a third version. B2W2 is the sole exception because it's a sequel, not a revision.

>>57239730
>At the time, nobody could see XY's flaws because the online aspect was fun and encouraged socialization
At the time, nobody could see XY’s flaws because “gen 1 Pokemon exist” isn’t an actual flaw.

>>57239738
It would've been the Platinum of Gen 6, but XY is already more polished than base DP so i dk

>>57239738
If you look what other third versions gave, yeah i think it would have made the "no postgame lol" crowd shut up.

>>57239749
If XY doesn’t have postgame then neither does Emerald.

>>57239747
It’s more polished than Platinum too.

>>57239738
let us use more megas before the elite 4, make zygarde more useful, nerf the exp share, add some more map or facilities in the postgame. let us use the oras megas, make the story slightly less shit.
i think a z could have helped a lot

>>57239766
It’s amazing how literally all of these are solved by simply playing battle facilities or PvP instead of being a retard who expects the campaign to be challenging.

>>57239782
with online dead there's only the battle maison, i really want to get all the 5 monuments tho

>>57239744
Yeah it's really not but don't be disingenuous, the actual social aspect of XY is what made it stand out compared to anything before it and Kanto pandering helped it spread its reach outside of Pokémon fans. I live in Bumfuck Nowhere and it was the first time I could actually do trade evos with others thanks to better online features.

Also it wasn't just that Gen 1 mons existed, it's the general pandering and spotlight they got compared to Gen 6 mons. I actually like a lot of Gen 6 mons and that's why I'm partially bummed by the focus on Gen 1. It's my subjective take, for the record; because as much as people piss shit and cry over it, at the time the Kanto pandering was popular and well received. It's due to later games like Let's Go Pee and Gen 8 that nerdier fans got tired of it and blamed XY for starting it.

Personally though in my original post I just called it soulless fanservice because that's how it feels to me. I notice that it actually does Gen 3 fanservice better, it references the region more playfully and sprinkles hints at the coming of ORAS in nice and unexpected ways.

Gen 6 games without online lose part of their backbones and it will happen to the Switch games that heavily rely on online features too. In a way is it really fair of me to judge Gen 6 as "okay" when now we're missing out on what made the experience stand out? Now all I see is low res graphics and feeling like I want to play a Z version with an expanded plot on the War from 3000 Years Ago and more areas with more mons to catch (idc if the dex is too big already, it's actually a feature of Kalos if anything).

>>57239826
nta but im happy at least XY will still age better than... fucking swsh without online or dlcs

>>57239842
Agreed. Honestly XY is worth replaying just for Amie. There is so many cute animations and cries for it that most replacements made after (except SuMo's) are just disappointing.

>>57235033
>actual effortpost itt
>no responses

>>57239635
>why all the story is condensed in 10 minutes after gym 7
because they realized that, which was used in the real Pokemon generations, was a better model than what they switched to with Gen V
Pokemon isn't about the story/plot
>why the grunts need to pay a 5,000,000 fee to join team flare.
Because Lysandre is clearly an elitist. He plans to kill everyone except those who are with him, and it's hardly different than billionaires buying spaces in the underground tunnels irl.

>>57234583
sinnoh god here, i always hated you, borty

>>57240046
>Pokemon isn't about the story/plot
it may not be the most decisive aspect, but it's still a jrpg, a genre mainly known for its stories
>Because Lysandre is clearly an elitist.
idk, i felt like he was genuinely desperate and sad

>>57240064
>borty
you are that fat spic that spams shitty threads about ‘plass’ all day, you’re just a dumb shitposter.

>>57240069
Pokemon is a jrpg in name only. The subgenre has nothing to do with many established jrpg tropes.

You don't become a villain otherwise.

>>57240131
borts and their boogeymen: name a more iconic /vp/ duo

>>57240149
(You) and your gaping aids infested latinx asshole

>>57240157
how did you know?

>>57240161
Because youre brown and stink

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>open kalos thread
>reee unova

>>57240032
People like to pretend that Platinum is this wholly original game. But let's remove
>All the Pokémon introduced in DP
>All the moves and movepools introduced in DP
>All the graphics introduced in DP
>All the area layouts, names, and content introduced in DP
>All the characters, plot elements, and lore introduced in DP
>All the new gameplay mechanics introduced in DP
>All the music introduced in DP
And you're left with a husk. You got all the original Platinum text, but it's relatively minor compared to DP's base text. You have six fully-realized forms (Rotom x 5, Giratina, Shaymin), but you can't call them by Rotom, Giratina, and Shaymin because that was done for DP. You have all the Pokémon sprites made for Platinum, but over 260 Pokémon sprites were carried over from DP, now gone. You have the new area graphics, but the areas themselves were designed for DP, the majority of layouts and things found there are from DP. Platinum did not make Solaceon Ruins or the Underground. You could get the new animation frames for important characters (even though the character designs and names came from DP). You still have the Battle Frontier, though most of its Battle Tower comes from DP, but there are the four other facilities and the layout of the area.

The vast majority of what Sinnoh is was made for DP. If someone hated DP, like truly hated it, I can't imagine them suddenly loving it with Platinum when they're still experiencing the bulk of DP.

>>57240178
*seven fully realized forms

>>57240178
now also remove 60 pokemon from the dex so you're left with a dozen water types, 1 fire type, 3 electric types, remove the enemy AI so they always choose random moves, remove the second button on the poketch, add a little delay after each action in battle, make the surfing speed your walking speed, make all the event mons illegal, make the volcano look no different from any generic cave

>>57239552
>>57239562
First is accurate, second is copium. Almost none of it is "musicshit" while there is plenty of animeshit
Parrotfags deserve annihilation

>>57239690
These aren't strong elements of XY. In fact XY's criticized for them.
Further proof parrotfags deserve blood eagles
>>57239760
XY has MUCH less than those games. Stop pretending all criticisms apply everywhere
Parrotfags all the way down, huh. Not all games are created equal.

>>57240193
DP is like a red car without a racing stripe, it's just unsalvageable and you'd be forgiven for smashing it up with a bat. Now if someone painted a stripe on that car, they made that whole thing, they've saved red cars.

>>57233017
Not better than SM/USUM but the other two yes

>>57240204
there are really people on here who've convinced themselves Diamond/Pearl was disliked on release

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>>57240193
Also NPC teams in D/P are fucking retarded and samey all throughout the game, not even counting the most obvious stuff like Volkner or Flint and his Lopunny.

Look at Byron's gym. Only 3 Steel types out of the 12 pokemon you fight.

>>57232975
All the kids who for whom it was their first Pokemon are now old enough to post on the internet.

I might be the only person who thought the life/death immortality plot was interesting. I want to know what it was like to wander the earth for 3000 years as a hobo. He would've been alive during PLA.

>>57240203
nah

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>>57240267
>t.

>>57240261
>I might be the only person who thought the life/death immortality plot was interesting
i think the majority thought it was interesting, they just wanted to know more than a 3 min cutscene, that's why ZA is a big deal imo

>>57240204
dp is like a car that's missing 2 tires

>>57240233
Byron's Gym is my favorite in probably the whole series because of the verticality of it, and that debuted in DP

>>57240392
My post didn't say anything about the gym layout, stupid

Every thread on XY:
>XY hater: XY is shit.
>XY fan: Yes I agree XY is shit. Let's talk about BW now.

>>57232975
Well you see, there are more than two people on the internet, and not all of them agree on everything.

>>57237503
I unironically do the same but it's paragraphs about why BW are good as most of the arguments I've seen regarding them seem to be from people who never played it.

>>57240496
do you agree? >>57238590

>>57240178
True, it always annoyed me how much people talk up the def editions. I hear things like "RS are practically betas, E is the only real game". Yes, there were improvements, but people act like GS, RS, or DP are unplayable or unfinished. There wasn't anything crystal or emerald added that I had noticed wasn't in gold or sapphire and had wanted added in. Didn't play DP, only Plat, but I assume the same applies>>57240178

>>57240204
Ok but a stripe would actually save red cars

>>57240204
Your retarded analogy would probably work if all Pt changed were some tilesets in Hearthome and Stark Mountain and ignored the bigger dex, better gym pacing, more content, and couple speed improvements.

>>57240506
To an extent yes.

>>57240431
No, but I can tell you as someone who has played both Diamond and Platinum, I remember Byron's Gym fondly. I don't remember any of the Pokémon used in either version other than Byron maining Bastiodon as a parallel to Roark and probably having a Steelix (also being able to catch wild Steelix on Iron Island, that was cool). Even if there were more instances of Magnemite in Platinum's version, it obviously didn't make an impression enough for me to remember. That person with the Scizor feels like someone I should have remembered though, but apparently not. Sinnoh is designed so that you'll see the entire regional Pokédex just by battling Trainers, so Platinum would have a non-missable Scizor battle. This design choice is something I really love about Sinnoh, since it was really annoying in Gen II not to see the third starter line, and especially in Gen III where you don't see the third line on top of not seeing the final evolution for your rival's starter. Gen I meanwhile specifically cheats you out of seeing Venusaur if you chose Charmander, but FRLG at least rectified this by adding a non-rival Venusaur Trainer in the Sevii Islands.

But nonetheless, the decision to allow the player to see the entire regional Pokédex was made in DP. You can even add Manaphy as seen at the Backlot Mansion post-game and the other version Legendary in Celestic Town.

I also really love how DP had actual fleshed-out events for their Mythical Pokémon. Standard distributions are boring, I love stuff like the GS Ball, Eon Ticket, Mystic Ticket, Aurora Ticket, and Old Sea Map, but those debuted in third versions and remakes. DP had the Member Card, Oak's Letter, and Azure Flute events programmed in from the start of the Gen, and we're at the point where they're freely available regardless of if you're emulating or using real hardware.

Platinum adds a little more with the Secret Key, Gracidea, and fateful encounter Regigigas, but DP started with the heavy hitters.

>>57240556
You're still driving a DP car with some slight improvements. Maybe you now have a mini DVD player hanging down for the back seats, some button alterations for your radio, slightly better mileage, slightly alter some aesthetics, made the cup holders a bit more adjustable, and the car drives through deep puddles a little better on the odd occasion you see them.

It's still 95% the same vehicle.

Every thread on XY:
>XY hater: XY is shit because of A, B, and C reasons
>XY hater: now let me tell you how [DS game] is the peak of the series despite also having A, B, and C except worse

>>57240871
I think USUM is the peak of the series actually, nice try Kaloscuck.

>>57232975
I liked it back in highschool when it came out, as many people mention the online aspect of it, along with the fact that 3ds hacking still wasn't widely available, made it a truly awesome and memorable experience. It wasn't until oras when you could hack shit into it with more ease. Through years I've played these shit games a couple of times and XY is decent overall. At least replayable, I've tried to play S&M and it's ULTRA versions again but I never can't get past the second island, I'm just deluding myself into wanting to play them to use many mons I like in their own region.