It was better back then
>>57233159true
>>57233159>Dark is Special>basically all Dark mons are physical attackers>Ghost is Physical>not a single Ghost mon with high AtkFuck no. This shit was so ass. It heavily limit stat spreads for each type.
>>57233179>basically all Dark mons are physical attackersAccording to who? Does my cartridge explode if I use a special move on my Tyranitar or something?
>>57233188According to their stats, dumbass. Tyranitar has ok special attack at least.
>>57233159Yeah bro I love special bite
>>57233195Yeah? It has a special attack stat. So clearly it’s intended to use special attacks. Why would there be two attack stats in the game of you’re only meant to use one?
>>57233203The baiting continues
>>57233209What bait? It’s a serious question. If you were only meant to use one attack stat, why not just give every Pokemon a single attack stat?
>>57233159It was ass back then.
>>57233159>The golden days where my bro could just spam Hyper Beam
>>57233203>Clearly it's intended to use its laughable Special Attack of 35 and not its decent Physical Attack of 95 to fullful its role as a fast, frail attacker! Also it is clearly not supposed to make use of STAB!Shut the fuck up, man.
>>57233237>Clearly it's intended to use its laughable Special Attack of 35 Yes. Why else would the special attack stat be there?
yeah was really cool how my cool sickle-weasel sneasel couldn't use either of its stabs because its special attack was 35 and both its stabs were specialnot
>>57233252So that it wouldn't do 0 damage if it was forced to use a Special Move for whatever reason. Can you stop pretending to be retarded now? Thanks.
>>57233255>couldn't use either of its stabs How? Did your game crash if you used its STABs or something?
>>57233263yeah when it wouldnt do damage and then get ko'd in turn my game would inexplicably lose power via my finger switching it offnow that sneasel can use physical ice and dark moves this weird glitch doesnt happen anymore
>>57233275I don't even know why you're bothering to reply to such low effort bait.
>>57233261>So that it wouldn't do 0 damage So it does damage? What’s the issue then?
>>57233280cause im bored and tired and about to go to sleepgoodnight
>>57233280I’m still waiting for you to answer >>57233214 lil bro
>>57233288No hablas, Pablo
>>57233214The real answer is splitting special into spa and spd literally ruined the game and stuck us with an abomination they failed to address until Gen IV.
>>57233275I just saved myself that issue by just not using any the new types until Game Freak had built up their skillbase and were able to code the games in such a way that they were able to mark moves as physical or special and ensure they ran off the correct attacking stat to calculate its damage potential.
>>57233232Hyper beam should still be physical, or like photon geyser where it's physical or special depending on which stat is higher.No one asked for nigga impact.
>>57233159fix'd
>>57233195Tyranitar and Sneasel are the only outliers. Murkrow and Umbreon are mixed, Houndoom favors special attack.
>>57233450And TTar still has higher special attack than 80% of dark-types.
>>57233448This is acceptable actually.
>>57233159It genuinely was, giving every single pokemon an inherent 50% damage boost with STAB was retarded. Worse powercreep than even Gen 9.
Fixed it.
>>57233754Ice and grass are physical you mong, grass is literally all about slapping things with razor sharp leaves, vines and physically draining life.Meanwhile ice is about freezing things to death and shooting icicles.
>>57233762lol you call that an argument?
>>57233159ask this guy what he thought about life before gen 4
>>57233851Yes also water types having only special type weaknesses when water types already have overwhelmingly good special defense just makes water completely unstoppable.
>>57233754Why is Dragon special? There aren't barely any good spammable Dragon type special move except Dragon Pulse
>>57233203Literally this. Just have one attack and one defense stat. Now the game is easier to balance around just hp, attack, defense speed, type advantage/STAB matters just as much. No more retarded mixed attackers.
>>57234125Dragon Rage was always portrayed as a breath attack.
>>57233159Phy/Special split antis don’t actually play the games, they’re just baiting.
>>57233762fire is also physical, it's about burning things and setting stuff on firewater is physical, it's about drowning things or applying incredible amounts of water pressureelectric is physical, it causes burns and damage to the nervous systempsychic is physical, it's about throwing rocks or inducing headaches
>>57234269>it's good that 9/10 pokemon are either useless or need a schizo ev/iv spread to be viable in my fanfic meta>anyone that disagrees is baiting
>>57233754Dark is still special, that shit isn't fixed.
Contrarianism for the sake of contrarianism really does define this board full of retards.
>>57234430People have given good reasons why the split was bad. All you've done is cry about bait and contrarianism.
>>57233370I really wish they still did this. A gigantic fuckoff laser that does a bajillion damage is so much cooler than a really big tackle that does a bajillion damage.
>>57234418>that 9/10 pokemon are uselessThat's pre split, yea
>>57234436"People" (i.e. you samefagging the entire thread) haven't provided a single reason the split was bad, and never will. Sardonic, nothing responses about cartridges exploding contribute nothing to your non-point.
>>57234473"People" (i.e. you samefagging the entire thread) haven't provided a single reason the split was good, and never will. Sardonic, nothing responses about how you invented a fanfic about not being able to use moves when nothing stops you from using those moves contribute nothing to your non-point.
>>57233179>>not a single Ghost mon with high Atkclueless zoomer confirmed
>>57233195notice how you had to pick the only one with a bad spa as if everyone else didn't already know thatalmost like this is the only example
>>57233188Argument goes both ways, post-split isn't stopping you from running whatever meme sets you liked in Gen 3 either.
>>57233859Crawdaunt is decent and usable in Gen III and has many tools it'd need to succeed in metagames without legendaries and no other restrictions.
>>57234125Because dragons are inherently magical.
>>57234638>j-just ignore the shittier balance and run worse sets on purpose!nah
>ghost is physical>poison is physical>ice is specialnah
>>57233179This should have been changed in gen 3. I very much agree. Also water needed a physical weakness, like poison.
>>57234691>thing that makes sense>thing that makes sense>thing that makes sensewhere's the issue?
>>57234678>>j-just ignore the shittier balance and run worse sets on purpose!Argument goes both ways dumbfuck.
>>57234766Ghost being a physical type never made sense.
>>57234951Gen 3 has better balance and you don’t need to force yourself to run bad moves in gen 3, so not really.
>>57234965this
>>57234965>Gen 3 has better balanceAccording to?>you don’t need to force yourself to run bad moves in gen 3You don't have to in newer gens either.
>>57234965>Gen 3 has better balanceLol
>>57234965>you don’t need to force yourself to run bad moves in gen 3maybe if your name is Swampert, but if you happen to be one of the many "two special types but shit sp.atk" mons you're fuckedpicrel's optimal moveset is:>Move 1 Double-EdgeReturn>Move 2 Hidden Power GhostHidden Power Grass>Move 3 Brick Break>Move 4 SurfIce Beam
>>57234985What's wrong with that? Just because it's part Dark-type doesn't mean it should have to use Dark moves.
>>57234766poison is like a specialized concoction, so that would make it special over physical
>>57234995why
>>57234985Still better than Shiftry.
>>57235013Would it even gain better coverage with a Dark-type move?
>>57234995>it's good to be locked out of STAB!Oh fuck off dude
>>57235051Who said you’re locked out of STAB? What’s stopping you from using Crunch? A fanfic page saying so?
>>57235020>answered a question with another questionconcession acceptedstab > coverage btw in the vast majority of cases
>>57235057Who said you’re locked out of mixed sets or funny EV spreads? What’s stopping you from using them? A fanfic page saying so?
>>57235063The question you asked was pointless.
>>57235158>Who said you’re locked out of mixed sets or funny EV spreads?The game’s poor balance
>>57234985Sometimes you just get boned because your type has no moves either. Physical mons pretty much live or die based on having EQ, Rock Slide or a good fighting move. If you don't have at least one of those three you are so fucked. And the distribution of that stuff was generally lower.
>>57234559Imagine being so devoid of any ability to articulate your own point that you have to copy-paste other posts instead.Hoenn had to fuck over the stat distribution of its dex with SFMA-hell just to compensate for some pokemon having completely nonviable STAB.
>>57235298>Who said you’re locked out of STAB? The game's poor balance
>>57235353>Hoenn had to fuck over the stat distribution of its dex with SFMA-hell Oh no…they actually balanced the game instead of minmaxing the fuck out of everything? How horrible!>>57235363The balance doesn’t prevent you from using STABs in gen 1-3 though. Try again.
>>57235380>The balance doesn’t prevent you from using STABs in gen 1-3 though.Yeah it does.
>>57235386No it doesn’t.
>>57235386How so? My Mightyena uses Crunch just fine, my game didn't give me an error or anything.
>I…I have to actually think about whether using STABs on my Pokemon is worth it instead of mindlessly slapping it on?? This is bad…for some reason!!
>>57235414>Pokemon with only Special weaknesses has a high Special Defense>Also has an ability that cuts physical damage in half>This is good for some reason
>>57235410How so? My Gen 6 Metagross uses Psychic just fine, my game didn't give me an error or anything.
>>57235380SFMA are still minmaxed, fuckwit. They were just minmaxed with the worst stat distribution of all, making them questionable team choices even outside of multiplayer.
>>57235433>I can only damage Pokemon with things they’re weak toThis is the IQ of nu-pokemon players.
>>57235414More Pokemon in the modern era don’t use a single STAB option than in Gen 3
>>57235498Then how do you beat it when its STAB and defenses are better than yours?
I know there are baiters here, but explain to a zoomer something: wouldn't this system be unfair if anything else because there are mons who can run STAB + high stats and mons who cannot?
>>57235539nta but you should just use physical attacks if they have low physical bulk.You’re thinking about the opposite case, being that Skarmory has good physical bulk and is only weak to 2 special moves, which case its common partners can just switch into Fire and Electric moves easily.If Skarm had Roost (or recover) in Gen 3 or Phys/Special split never happened, it would legit be broken because there aren’t moves like Flare Blitz physical attackers can use.
>>57235592I'm talking about Milotic
>>57235552It's a shit system all around, yes.
>>57233159no
>>57234965>Gen 3 has better balanceOh boy, I sure love my Salac Berry + Endure + Reversal meta crusher.
>>57233159Types that "shouldn't" be special attackers but are anyways are all really cool and fun, so the split was a good change.>pyroar, porygon, and exploud, all special normals>magnezone, duraladon, and genesect, all special steels>aurorus, magcargo, and lunatone, all special rocksKino design.
>>57236978Not like Aurorus knows the difference between physical and special when it comes to rock moves.
>>57233159A couple more years and the gap between now and Fairy will be as big as the one between Fairy and Dark/Steel.
>>57235891Milotic is a non-issue in ADV.252+ SpA 30 IVs Magnet Magneton Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Milotic: 292-344 (74.1 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery252+ SpA 30 IVs Magnet Magneton Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Milotic: 221-260 (56 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recoveryThe fact that its 2 weaknesses are on its bulkier side is a balancing factor. It’s why Skarm is usually top 2 of the ADV era, since it walls pretty much every physical attacker. That was until the Phys/Special split.
>>57234965in game gen 3 is pretty balanced, it's battle meta is another story.
