>>57234270
i admit i was one of those edgy "gen 1 bad!" zoomers, now i love it along with 2, 3 and 5

>>57234270
I definitely used to think more pokemon meant better game and was one of those zoomers who wanted a game with every Pokemon available because of options and that.
Looking back at the ganes though I most remember the tighter regional dexes of Sinnoh or Johto and it gave the new Pokemon much more room to breathe. So now I’m kind of on the side of people who prefer 200-300 in a dex.
Dexit still sucks though.

-I used to be a die-hard hater of ORAS, but BDSP made me realize that I treated those games way too harshly.
-I used to defend Ash losing all the goddamn time because "when he finally wins a canon region's Pokemon League it'll be all the more satisfying". Then he won two Leagues back to back and I felt nothing both times.
-I used to go nuclear over people shitting on Gen 3, but now I miss it like an old edgy friend. And I fear the day that I begin to miss gen 5 flame wars because a new breed of retard has taken their place
-I was one of those gatekeeping autists who tried to act like Pokemon isn't THE normiest franchise on the planet. Pokemon Go was when I learned to lighten up and enjoy the Facebook normies "ruining" my pwecious franchise. At least they're not the ones posting coomerbait and shipper wars.

>>57234270
>Gen 2 OU sucks
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>Gen 2 OU is the 3rd best or 2nd best OU to play and your enjoyment heavily depends upon acquiring a team which most suits your sensibilities and playstyle

>Gen 1 OU is awesome
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>Gen 1 OU exposes the RNG-heavy nature of Pokemon and the feelings of constriction, helplessness, and frustration that can come from that; definitely worth experiencing for a wake-up call, but further investment is really for the mad; even despite that, it's still Top 3 OU

>VGC isn't worth playing
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>Gen IX VGC is pretty cool
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>Gen IX VGC is too fargone thanks to underlying system changes that have made it impossible for this to be a fulfilling and expressive game

>Gen III OU is the pinnacle of competitive Pokemon
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>Gen III OU is plagued by a number of issues from both policy and fundamental mechanics which make it both less skill-expressive and rewarding to play than it may have otherwise could have been, particularly for masters of the tier

>Platinum is the best game in the series
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>Emerald is the best game in the series
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>Both Platinum and Emerald are flawed in their own ways and excellent for different but roughly equivalent reasons

>>57234290
It's a consequence of having badly designed regional dexes since Gen V which go on to clog up the national dex with stuff nobody wants to see but often worms its way into a proceeding gen's maingame dex.

>>57234270
“There is no jewish conspiracy to destroy Pokemon, thats retarded”
After playing shitsui, bdspeepee, and swsh:
“We must destroy Israel”

>>57234333
>-I used to be a die-hard hater of ORAS, but BDSP made me realize that I treated those games way too harshly.
ORAS is just Gen III for zoomers. It's so they can enjoy Hoenn without getting put off by "archaicisms" which appeal to older players.

>-I used to defend Ash losing all the goddamn time because "when he finally wins a canon region's Pokemon League it'll be all the more satisfying". Then he won two Leagues back to back and I felt nothing both times.
because there was no better nor meaningful time for Ash to win than XYZ, and the following two were just obvious damage control during shitty gens to try to appease irate fans

>-I used to go nuclear over people shitting on Gen 3, but now I miss it like an old edgy friend. And I fear the day that I begin to miss gen 5 flame wars because a new breed of retard has taken their place
1) that's bitchmade
2) they never had good arguments evidently because now you never see them even attempt to insult Gen III outside of johtoddy talking points (muh day-night cycle, muh transfers, muh proto-dexit) and zoomie talking points (muh split, muh sfma shitmons) and of course "muh too much water"
3) as long as borts love gen 5 and everyone else hates it (and doesn't age out of here), the arguments won't cease

>-I was one of those gatekeeping autists who tried to act like Pokemon isn't THE normiest franchise on the planet. Pokemon Go was when I learned to lighten up and enjoy the Facebook normies "ruining" my pwecious franchise
I can't recall the last time I've ever thought the opinion of anyone outside of /vp/ users mattered
/vp/ has long since proven itself to be exceedingly influential on the discourse, even seeding itself into the normalfaggot masses' takes from time to time albeit slowly
they need not be paid attention to

>>57234270
SwSh made me think they should just give up on writing a story because it was so shit and had no sensible conclusion at all, and that Pokémon games would be better if they just didn't try. But after SVs ending, I changed my mind. The story enhances the game by a lot, it just needs to be decent and have well written characters. I hope they continue this trend.

>>57234746
this

>>57234270
I used to think Grimmsnarl was cool but then I saw anons here liked it

>>57234725
Based and growing-as-a-person pilled

>>57234270
used to want regionals, then i saw the way they went about it was dropping palette swapped mons and making less brand new mons too, so now i fucking hate regionals.

>>57234270
my opinion of Gen 5 changed a lot, I didn't care for it at release but over the years I've come around to liking it quite a bit. probably the only set of games that my opinion has really changed drastically on.

used to love hoenn, kid to teen it was my favorite region but now i'm mostly indifferent.
i think. i just played emerald too much, not sure what it is,

>>57234270
idk

>>57234270
I used to think Pokemon was good

>>57234270
>genwunners are obnoxious, they ignore all the problems of gen 1 and all the good things of later games
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>gen 1 was pretty great for being the first one, and I think some of its appeal was lost in the later games

>gen 5 was the first bad gen, its pokemon are ugly, they're ripoffs of kantomons, the region is a circle, and the sprites are ugly
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>gen 5 was good in a lot of other respects, i like a lot of the gen 5 versions of mons better than the originals, and i do like a lot of the sprites

>HMs should be removed, they're cumbersome and no one likes them
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>HMs are clunky and should be refined but i like the idea, and your team should help you navigate the overworld in some way.

>definitive editions like emerald are always better, they improve so much it's like the originals are beta versions
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>there are really not that many improvements, and inevitably they do something i don't like, making the originals worth playing too

>they should add more eeveelutions
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>adding more eeveelutions would be a sign that TPC has given up trying and are just doing fan service

>these new encounter/evolution methods are so unintuitive, why can't it just be simple
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>when done right, they can add a lot of character to an otherwise forgettable mon

>legendaries and pseudo-lengendaries shouldn't be used in playthroughs, they're too powerful
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>they are balanced by their catch difficulty, and high level-up and evo requirements. Plus they are just fun to use. If I like their design I won't feel bad about using them

>genwunners are the worst fans
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>coomers and furries are the worst fans

>what >>57234290 said

>>57236691
>>gen 5 was the first bad gen, its pokemon are ugly, they're ripoffs of kantomons, the region is a circle, and the sprites are ugly
>->
>>gen 5 was good in a lot of other respects, i like a lot of the gen 5 versions of mons better than the originals, and i do like a lot of the sprites
you devolved

>>57236691
You evolved. Based takes

>>57234270
It's a work in progress but I'm learning to separate the Pokemon from the games. It's not a Pokemon's fault it was released in a game I don't like.

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>>57236805
I feel like the sprites were so much more charming than the 3D visuals so I always try to imagine the new Pokemon as a sprite and see if that changes my opinion lol.
I'm sure there are some pre-Gen 6 pokemon i wouldn't like as much if I only saw them as their 3D model.

>>57234270
I would often repeat that RG sprites were worse than RB sprites, but now that I've looked at all of them, I think that a majority of RG sprites are better. One of the few times /vp/ changed my mind about something

>>57234760
>ORAS is just Gen III for zoomers
RSE is also Gen III for zoomers. Gen III and its remakes both fall on generational lines.

>>57236928
RSE is for late millennials.

>>57236932
then what is DP for?

>>57236932
Ruby and Sapphire came out in 2002. Emerald came out in 2004, end of 2005 if you’re in a PAL region. Zoomers started being born in 1996. By the time Emerald actually came out, your average millennial was at the age where Pokemon was considered baby shit.

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Revisiting FireRed and Soul Silver last year cemented a nearly 180 opinion change on gen 1 and gen 2.

Genwunners have a point when it comes to nothing else since the original having the same kind of experience, and FRLG in particular take the gen 3 additions and fuck up Kanto's general progression with it in really funny ways. I was really surprised coming out of FireRed really digging it, although I still don't really care that much about the original 151 I respect em a bit more. FireRed feels less like a pokemon game and more like baby's first jrpg, which sounds redundant but I mostly only played pokemon games growing up and as an adult have been going out of my way to play all sorts of games I never would have looked at as a kid.

Meanwhile gen 2, Crystal especially was the game that got kid me seriously invested in Pokemon, but especially HGSS get glazed way too hard for things that are primarily vibes and are entirely in service to being attached to Kanto. So much of Johto feels undercooked and the remakes were way too faithful in ways they shouldnt have been, and their fixes for stuff like the pokemon distribution being entirely postgame or attached to a dumb peripheral are wack and annihilate their replay value. People praised following pokemon like the second coming of christ and I cannot think of a more useless feature honestly.

This is turning into a blog rip, cont.

>>57236979

One of the major things that changed as I grew up was as a kid I never cared much for catching em all, I would just bop through with whichever cool new pokemon i liked and palpark up my old faves in postgame and generally6 just drop things after I beat the league but I fell off for a few years with Sun despite liking it more than XY at the time. unfortunately I got my brain deepfried by mmos and other hard timesink games where I got the collectathon/100% completion chromosome, but I've gained a new appreciation for Pokemon games returning with that kind of mentality.

As lukewarm as they are in most aspects Pokemon games sit in a really satisfying kind of brain off grind space that doesn't twist your dick with battlepasses or have truly insane completion metrics on a game by game basis. I've always been pro dex cuts cause they seem to have settled on ~400 mons for a regional dex cause that feels like a nice sweet spot. I do feel like they still get clogged up with the same old favourites and shillmons but I'm always on the look out for excuses to use mons I've never used before and that's a kind of underrated aspect of the series I think.

>>57236941
This. reminder zoomers are almost 30 now.

>>57236935
the capstone for late millennials and the beginning or bridge for the earlier zoomers

L.M.: (RBY) -> (GSC) -> RSE -> DPPt
E.Z.: (RSE) -> DPPt -> BW/2

>>57236941
>your average millennial
there are three periods of millennial

>>57236979
the artist doesn't get it

I used to despise gen 5 for many reasons, soft reboot and some of the bad pokémon designs among the reasons. And of course the absolute state of the gen 5 anime.

Everything from gen 7 onwards has softened what was initially passionate dislike for gen 5. It's still my least favourite from the first 6 gens but everything after gen 6 showed me that it could have been so much worse, especially gens 8 and 9.

>>57236805
Well I'm glad you're working on it because that's an incredibly childish take.

>>57237673
that would be me if every time I tried to reevaluate it according to modern standards, it didn't still repeatedly come up short

if anything any hatred I'd have for post-Gen VI is instead almost indifference precisely because none of it matters; V & VI existed at critical points, and although VII dropped the ball, V did it first and still hampered and hindered VI's attempts to undue the damage

post-Gen VI may be horrid, but horrid is easily dismissed as irrelevant and worthless; Gen V on the other hand is deceptive in its quality and requires far harsher scrutiny to accurately place

I do not see it as "not that bad" in light of the "much worse" that came after; I see it as such a severe lapse in judgment for its time that it deserves no small ridicule

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I started liking Houndoom after this episode

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>>57237720
Well I agree with pretty much everything you've said anon. It isn't that I've consciously re-evaluated it, my opinions have stayed largely the same and if anything I have a fuller understanding now of the flaws of generation 5 than I did at the time.

You bring up a very important point, the negative impacts of gen 5 aren't contained within that generation itself, it had a knock on effect on generation 6 and you rightly point out the heavy burden of trying to right the ship's course after the poor decisions of generation 5. Generation 6 would have been far better a gen had generation 5 not been what it was.

It's moreso that how I feel about it emotionally has cooled rather than my mind having been changed intellectually speaking. The intensite of the hatred for some of the Star Wars prequels cooled a lot after the new ones came out and were a million times worse. If you get served bad food that makes you feel a bit ill at a restaurant once you might not be happy yes. But how strongly you feel about that on an emotional level may cool somewhat if the same restaurant gives you food poisoning once a week for the next 10 years. (I know it doesn't really make sense to go back to that restaurant again and again but I'm just trying to convey a point here.)

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>>57236691

>>57237673
This but for Gen 6, as much as I can rag on those games its always from a perspective of them being lacking, whereas Switch pooemon is just downright bad

>>57237765
>the negative impacts of gen 5 aren't contained within that generation itself, it had a knock on effect on generation 6 and you rightly point out the heavy burden of trying to right the ship's course after the poor decisions of generation 5.
Those impacts being what? Ive always seen Gen 5 as healthy takes on the series that Gen 6 walked back due to the backlash.

>>57236691
all absolutely sublime takes

>>57236691
I kneel

>>57234270
I used to hate HMs but after they got removed I realised they were actually an immersive aspect of the gameplay and exploration and I miss them.
Strategizing which Pokemon on your team has to sacrifice a moveslot for a HM added to the challenge of the game too.

>>57236819
There are some Pokemon I like that I would not use because I don't like how they are rendered in the game. I don't think it's just the 3D but the stock 3D model that they use. 3D can allow for great creative freedom but they are forced to stick with the reference material.

>>57237696
It would be childish if your opinion on a Pokemon stubbornly never changes between different games and media. It's only natural to dislike a design because you don't like how it's rendered or utilized. It's quite common to dislike a design until you see some cool fanart of it, see it in the anime, or get to use it in TCG.

>>57239219
(I'm the second anon you replied to) I don't know if you're >>57236805 but that post said that anon disliked every Pokémon if they were released in a game he doesn't like. Not that he disliked a particular Pokémon at first impression. Completely different thing.

>>57234270
I used to think Gen 4 was good and Gen 2 was bad.

I used to be a big GF shill till USUM came out and I realized how lazy the company was. Part of me wishes I was still a Pokedrone though, I'd probably have more fun if I wasn't critical of everything.

My taste in Pokemon has remained relatively the same, I know what I like and dislike and my opinions aren't easily swayed. For example I hated Mr. Rime when it was new and still hate it today, same with most of the Gen 8 dex, really. I've had the same favorite Pokemon, Mawile, for like 15years running now if that's any indication of anything.

Shit, this thread is just making me realize I've stuck to my guns since I started browsing this board in like 2012. Still love Gen 5, still hate DPPt, still would rather have furry coomers here than normies and children, etc.

>>57234270
i used to like that B2W2 existed and wished every gen did sequels but now im kind of sad we didn't just get Hoenn in Gen 5

>>57234270
I used to hate Unova but then I played it

used to love unova then i played it

>>57240953
Ok yawnie

Ok sagie

>>57234270
>>57240880
I actually agree, though it took a few playthroughs to grow on me.

>>57240953
I actually agree, tho i hated it on first go

>>57241363
Could you perhaps stop parroting?

>>57241363
Could you perhaps continue your original thoughts?

>>57241761
Agreed. Everyone needs to think freely. Instead of listening to retards fighting, people should just pick up the thing they're fighting over, and try it for themselves.

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>>57238730
Gen 6 was a case of good ideas being executed very, very badly and Gamefreak not only intentionally undercooking it but rushing it out the door and phoning the whole generation in to move on to the next one.

The switch games are a case of shit ideas with even worse execution.

There's a world of difference between the two. On one hand you have nice food that the chef wasn't allowed to finish cooking, and on the other you have a steaming pile of human shit that no one even made an effort with.

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>>57240214
>I used to be a big GF shill till USUM came out and I realized how lazy the company was.
It's a shame it took you so long but at least you finally got some sense and woke up.

>>57234270
I thought Crystal was okay until I played it again. There is no fun way to play it. If I want to use a full team, I either have to spam items or grind an exorbitant amount because everything is so low level and the new mons fucking suck. If I just use my starter, I steamroll everything and it's boring.

>>57234270
I use to think balanced typing was good but after seeing how psychic ruled gen 1 and dragon gen 5, i decided it's more interesting and has a neat flavor if there is a "strong" type.

By extension that made me further change my mind on fairy type existing after it destroyed psychic's niche.

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>The 6 level jumps between Pryce and Claire is... le bad?!
This is one I wish others would catch up on, I think a few YouTubers who want baby step incremental gym leaders said it and people clung to it.

I did a gen 2 run where I leveled the team about evenly and I went from being about at level with all other trainers to punching up and needing to train to beat Claire.
You can read between the lines and get this sense that between Lance and Claire that dragon tamers are supposed to be really strong, and a team leveled below Claire's will beat you quick.

If you do a run that's anything besides over leveling a single starter, you potentially have to train to beat her, and I'm fairly sure that was intentional.

I later continued the "punch up" play style and beating the Elite 4 starting with level 40s was very fun.