> DP Ash had the peak character development but still wasn't allowed to win the league, defeat E4/Champion, catch legendary/mythical pokemon, win in an individual tournament arc and defeat an "edgelord" before the final showdown. > Alain, Goh and Liko didn't had 1% of the character development and growth as DP Ash yet they are allow to catch legendary pokemon, defeat E4/Champion, win in the league and other individual tournament arc. What was the point of Ash going though all those bullshit? Why didn't the anime made him the strongest trainer in Gen 01 anime with legendary like Mewtwo and Lugia on his team and special ancestors in his entire bloodline?
>WAAAA WHY ISN'T ASH GETTING THE THINGS OTHERS DO?!?! THAT'S NOT FAIR!Take your crab mentality and shove it.
>>57242744First post? Best post.
>>57242744Fpbp, not even a debate.
>>57242744/thread
>>57242744>>57242745>>57242747>>57242748Trolls are already seething because they has no actual answer.
>>57242740There was no point.Yuyama was just an autist.
>>57242768Yuyama made sure all characters goes though the same struggle to keep everything fair. BW and XY shamelessly started to favour their own OC over past anime and game character. Something that HZ also continued with Liko getting Terapagos handed to her and fainted the ace of the champion. What does they think? That people will like Alain and Liko more than Ash if they become more special & stronger than Ash? Did people liked Bourto more Naruto after the series made Boruto more special & nerfed Naruto?This is why protagonist rotation fails 90% of the times.
>>57242740>ashfag thinks he knows character development>What was the point of Ash going though all those bullshit?You've told OLM you want blueballing so they gave you that. You can't complain.
>>57242766>Gives an answer>NO STOP TROLLINGGrow the fuck up
>>57242798Yuyama was the reason "DP" Ash lost like every Ash lost. He would have won as soon as Gen 3 if Yuyama wasn't there. Thankfully the Execs slapped him down.
>>57242827> Thankfully the Execs slapped him down.Too little, too late.
>>57242740Ash in general is dogshit
>>57242853Not as dogshit as OC like Alain and Liko that need favouritism.
>>57242740Say Jai Shree Ram
>>57242768This, yuyama has been a disaster for anipoke.
>>57243152Yuyama never told the writing staff to shove their own self inserted OC and favour them over everybody. Yuyama knew that Ash was the staple of the show and everything on the anime will fall down without Ash. Specially considering his fellow writing staff has shallow idea when it came to characterization and the story. He was probably afraid that the series will be generic edgy fanfic centered on Mary Sue if Ash leaves the series and thats exactly what happened.
>>57242744Fippy bippy (I'm starting to run out of ways to reply to my post here)
>>57242740>Why didn't the anime made him the strongest trainer in Gen 01 animeShudo's direction style was that the world was tough, people were assholes, and that you don't always get what you want. Misty and Brock were all estranged from their family, the COTD were sometimes assholes for no reason, the towns were rundown sometimes, Ash got by either via luck or qualities unrelated to him being a trainer, even Gary got his ass handed to him before even meeting Ash. He killed Minky Momo, and goddammit, he even killed Ash more than once, if he could get away with it he'd probably do it as a point.Why was Ash not overpowered in Gen 1? Because Gen 1 was much more of a reflection of the world (mostly because the formula wasn't established yet for both games and anime) and Ash was a stand-in for the ordinary kid who isn't always the brightest or the very best, but wants to be.
>>57242740Aren't you glad Ash actually worked hard that he got to the top without those mons while those guys had to be carried by their legendaries/mythicals/special bloodline?
>>57242853True that's why he was retired
>>57242853That’s why he’s a good representative of the fanbase and franchise
>>57242740Rest in Shit Assh Ketchup
>>57243297>Ash actually worked hard that he got to the top without those monsYou mean the mons with asspull transformations, asspull aura power boosts, asspull strength that defy all logic and opponent retardation that basically handed him wins? Wow lots of hard work involved there.
>>57243244They've been shoving an OC into everything for a years to the detriment of the show. His name is Ash.
>>57243337Ashnime haters will never admit this but the ashnime has the best written tournaments of all shounen anime, and yes Pokemon counts as honourary shounen.The winner of the tournament is always unpredictable. The rivals are always more or less on equal skill with Ash so it's always neck to neck who's gonna win.Compare that to Horizons that doesn't even have a league so there's no actual battle stakes involved.Undoubtedly, this cements the Ashnime as one of the greatest Japanese otaku shows of all time.
>>57243337>asspull transformations, Lost to a Mega Charozard X and was released >asspull aura power boosts, Anybody can use Aura including Riley and Gukinn>asspull strength that defy all logic Normal feat for Anipoke characters including Team Rockey Trio.>opponent retardationAsh was also forced to do similar retardation to make his opponents win.
>>57243349>The winner of the tournament is always unpredictable.Do you cocksucking shitters look twice at the shit you're spewing before posting it?
>>57242744Based. Circlejerking losers will never grow out of their kindergarten phases from two decades ago.
>>57243297Doesn't make it okay that shits like Alain and Liko getting everything handed to them. Alain even got to be one of the Master Eight, even till the end the anime never stopped giving him special treatment.
>>57243365And you think you're such a mature adult yourself browsing /vp/ while talking about the ashnime.We are the same except we, those who bear the burden of being a true ashnime otaku are open about our animE-List-ic preferences
>>57242740> DP Ash had the peak character developmentDP Ash has to be the biggest overrated piece of shit in the franchise. He's a battle bot compared to his previous OS and ADV versions
>>57243404There is a difference between talking about a media and flatout being stuck up your own ass about it. Do you even read the shit you're posting?
>>57243360>Lost to a Mega Charozard X and was releasedStill was able to battle powerful Elite Four level zard that took on legendaries as a mon Ash got a few months ago all thanks to super special transformation only Ash got>Anybody can use Aura including Riley and GukinnWoah two whole other people and they are never shown to be able to boost a mons capabilities in battle so much that it can throw spirit bombs - Ash is basically a Pokemon himself at this point>Normal feat for Anipoke characters including Team Rockey TrioYeah TR's Meowth is consistently shown taking hits from and then defeating pseudolegendaries and champion aces and even ignoring type immunities with the power of friendship, great point.>Ash was also forced to do similar retardation to make his opponents win.Yeah but he was always retarded from OS days so that's to be expected. You dont expect seasoned champions to do dumb things like give an opponent a chance to use all gimmicks while you only use one and lose because of it, forget a mon's ability which causes it to lose, Gmax a mon and give it boosts only to have it get oneshot seconds later or order a damaged ace to get in close so it can just get pummeled and lose especially when it has a ranged move to use. All these really make it look like they werent trying at all against Ash and waters down his wins.
remember this is /vp/we're all retarded here and our opinions are irrelevant to every other person here due to the whole "I am the best everyone else is trash" mindset modern 4chan arguments have
>>57243098>need favouritismyeah, headlining a show for 20+ years is not favoritism at all.>>57243244>writing staff
>>57243297If he valued hard work at all he wouldn't be an ashfag, anon.He also can't be glad because they never can be happy.
captcha don't even work, now we're doing emails? Can't believe I lasted this long. I'm out, surprisingly for good this time. Feels silly to use an imageboard with extensions blocking all images anyway. Porn harms your brain and connection with Jesus. 2008-2025
Ash died after OS
>>57242740>What was the point of Ash going though all those bullshit?To keep him around and maintain Shudo's legacy if the Teraleaks are to be believed. Hell would freeze over before Yuyama would have allowed Ash to win an actual in-game league were it not for pressure from younger staff and GF reps.
>>57243436>Still was able to battle powerful Elite Four level zard that took on legendaries as a monAnybody can do it without special form. Furthermore since you never actually watched the show, Alain's Charizard jobbed to legendary without putting much fight. >Woah two whole other peopleThere were more than two people, Gukinn Lucario could use Aura to push his opponents away. Riley and Lucario could use Aura to contain a nuclear explosion. Compared to that, What Ash did? Make giant Ball attack? Even Goh and Diantha can do that.>Yeah TR's Meowth is consistently shown taking hits from and then defeating pseudolegendariesIts called experience & affection point. Maybe you should try playing the game. >d. You dont expect seasoned champions to do dumb things like give an opponent a chancePlease , if we follow logic than Ash's Dragovish alone could oneshot all the champion's pokemon with Fishious Rend. He wasn't allowed teach his Dragonite any physical move except Dragon Claw despite it keeping Dragon Dance. His wasn't allowed to his flying and ghost type against Bea. His Garger forgot it's knows Will-o-wisp against Cradily. He was forced to give Reversal to a glass canon like Lucario. Should I also mentioned how Lance screwed himself against Diantha by betting on Hyper Beam?
>>57243538>To keep him aroundThey didn't need Ash to lose to keep him around. They could still keep him around for Pokemon 2023 if the story was going to focus on MC fighting forces of evil instead of competing on the league.
>>57242740Ash should have been gone 15 years ago
>>57243450>headlining a show for 20+ years is not favoritism at all.The reason he headline a show for 20+ years was because his character was good enough to pull it though.
>>57243597Nta but lmfao no he wasnt.. Sure is convenient to deny it when your retarded "favoritism" card is played against you, isn't? Cope.
>>57242740Ashime jumped the shark in “Hoenn Alone!” Once they established he was never going to learn anything and that all growth by Ash or any of his Pokemon had no consequences to the story, it was doomed.
>>57242740Ash got all this development and was the series main character for 25 years.No one will remember Liko after Gen 10.
>>57242740Because the creators of the anime are severely out of touch and sucked at setting a proper middle ground in what can be within the relm of possibility for what a main character can accomplish.They made the end goals for Ash too high a reach no matter what he did. Even with little failures at some point of his journeys, they moved the goalpost beyond his reach for a pay off to be achieved. This didn't help at all when they suddenly did a 180° after the massive flop of XYZ anime. Out of nowhere he's becoming champion of Alola with minimal effort, then winning a World championship against end game bosses when he was dropping the ball to lesser opponents in past battles once the stakes were high.If they didn't fumble so much handling Ash, people wouldn't be so miffed at the change of pace with Liko and company. The damage was already done and the piss poor damage control now is just salt in the wounds.
>>57243671Liko being retired in Gen 10 is exactly what reasonable people want though.
>>57243688>people wouldn't be so miffed at the change of pace with Liko and companyThe only people who have this issue are ashfags and it clearly has nothing to do with how Horizons actually is.
>>57243607Hard denial huh!The main reason pokemon anime lasted for 26 seasons instead of ending with 6 season like other video game adaption was due to the popularity of Ash and his companion. I would rather watch an episodic slice of anime with Ash and game characters on Gen 10 then another series with another Mary Sue searching for magical paradise because her ancestor was special. Even now, the only well received arc on Pokemon 2023 was Terastal Shine which focused on featuring game characters and gym battle.
Ash's time is done Liko is a flopCope however you want but that's a fact, I just hope the next MC is a guy on his own, fuck group travels and DEI approved cast
Thank the lord Ash is gone he grew stale 20 years ago, but I also want Liko gone by next Gen with a new protag too
>>57243872>Hard denial huh!>Goes on a denial spree himself>Obsessively watches the anime he hatesI am not in denial and unhinged unlike you. Just let it go and maybe do something productive, OP. Like maybe getting a job?
>>57242740anime for children is supposed to be garbage
>>57243872>I would rather watch an episodic slice of animeYou've no idea whay those are.
What we need is a reboot with Red, Blue, Leaf and Erika as the new protagonist team
>>57244193Fucking This
>>57244064Please never work in the entertainment industry. Everyone deserves good quality media.
>>57244064>for children is deserves garbageIs because this mentality that we has crap like cocomelon, and new generations get worse and worse
Now Yuyama is the scapegoat and recipient of childish hate from autistics because their self-insert character didn't get the shitty fanfics they wanted and XY gave them a taste of. And these clowns are going to continue to spread their hate agenda towards the poor man.Shit, they even feel hate and envy because Liko got something that put her in the spotlight.45 years will pass and they will still regret that Ash lost in Kalos."Ash lost." Yuyama's fault."A new character appears who shines on his own and outshines Ash." Yuyama's fault."A character gets more attention than Ash." Yuyama's fault."Ash doesn't get 110% of the show's attention." Yuyama's fault.
>>57242740>Why didn't the anime made him the strongest trainer in Gen 01 anime with legendary like Mewtwo and Lugia on his team and special ancestors in his entire bloodline?Because this isn't a shonen power fantasy. The writers deliberately don't give Ash very strong pokemon because the main focus is the friendship aspect. Not being the most powerful. Plus its easier to sell Ash as the underdog with non fully evolved Pokemon.
>>57244582No? He is a scapegoat because Teraleaks tell us enough. He is the reason Ash lost to Alain and so many others.Ishihara is the Real Hero.
>>57244975Ishihara was right in that Ash should've left the series 20 years before he did.
>>57243484Wish you well
>>57244975Why would you even need a scapegoat?Wasn't the ashnime excellent?
Torture and kill all trAshschizos and self-inserters.
>>57243555>Anybody can do it without special form. Furthermore since you never actually watched the show, Alain's Charizard jobbed to legendary without putting much fight.Sure because being able to tank hits and push back Zygarde to weaken it enough so Team Flare could capture it is jobbing. Stop reading wikis to get your facts and watch the actual episodes.>There were more than two people, Gukinn Lucario could use Aura to push his opponents away. Riley and Lucario could use Aura to contain a nuclear explosion.They didn't contain it at all, just redirected it and lol at it being a nuke it wasn't that big of an explosion (basically a tiny puff of fire when it exploded in the sky). Ash and Lucario on the other hand has consistently defeated Gmaxes and snuffed out Gmax moves (which can cause region-ending events with their energy) with his aura balls.>Compared to that, What Ash did? Make giant Ball attack? Even Goh and Diantha can do that.You mean the attacks that didn't work at all and Goh and Diantha had no part in creating since the mons themselves did it? Not even comparable.>Its called experience & affection point. Maybe you should try playing the game.So experience and affection changes levels, stats and type resistances in the games? More projection there I see.>Please , if we follow logic than Ash's Dragovish alone could oneshot all the champion's pokemon with Fishious Rend.Nope because Fishous Rend isn't a nuke that defeats everything in one shot. Play the games.>He wasn't allowed teach his Dragonite any physical move except Dragon Claw despite it keeping Dragon Dance.So you're conveniently forgetting its physical form of Draco Meteor that involved it charging into its opponent alongside the meteors? Stop reading wiki articles.
>>57243555>His wasn't allowed to his flying and ghost type against Bea.It wouldn't have done much since her fighting mons had ways around those types like Bullet Punch so it was better to just go with his stronger mons like Mega Lucario and Pikachu.>His Garger forgot it's knows Will-o-wisp against Cradily. He was forced to give Reversal to a glass canon like Lucario.Wouldn't have done much since Cradily would heal off the burn damage with Ingrain and could still use Meteor Beam. Plus Reversal is a great final trump card ideal for close battles which Ash's ace would likely get into and he actually used it effectively to beat Cynthia who was being retarded in that last part of their battle by letting Garchomp get in that close for no reason.>Should I also mentioned how Lance screwed himself against Diantha by betting on Hyper Beam?Doesn't relate to Ash at all.
>>57244975You're an XY Ash self-inserter. Since Yuyama didn't want Ash to win in Alola, then that "confirms" that Ash was going to win in Kalos when there is NO proof of that (and of course, only Kalos counts, no Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Yuyama only opposed Kalos). It was all about bait for kids like you. Remember that they had the balls to call the episode "Kalos League Victory! Satoshi's Ultimate Match!!!" And what happened? Ash lost. Turning Ash into a bland Gary Stu is not indicative of anything but an attempt to adapt Ash to the standards of the time, where those types of characters were popular.But this nor other explanations will do any good, you are obsessed with an 8 YEARS old event in a promotional anime. You guys will keep looking for any excuse to crucify a poor old man. And worst of all, you guys are sneaking your bullshit narrative into pages like screenrant. If you want culprits, look to fat fuck Tetsuo Yajima for manipulating you like idiots.
57245687 ash made mother beast kiss the ground that climbs solgaleo and necrozma>>>>which are zygarde and this half fodder
The inconsistent writing of anipoke has turned its community on /vp/ to be filled with the worst people and to became a fucking cesspool.You have Ash haters who are like:>Ash being badass. GARY STU! SELF-INSERT! HE SUCKS>Ash is not badass. trAsh! LOSER! HE SUCKS>KYS ASHFAGSThen you have Ash fans who are like:>Spams the same discussion over and over and annoy people for the sake of it>Hatred for Liko in every anipoke-related thread>To the point the OP of the threads tells people ignore himAll of you can go to hell.
>>57243695>it clearly has nothing to do with how Horizons actually isActually it does. You can blame ashfags as much as you want but when suddenly characters are blessed with good things such as victories and strong pokemon or whatever one after another, you start to feel that the creators are just putting minimal effort without knowing the reason behind the poor feedback. Build up is important and both series failed at that.
>>57245683>Sure because being able to tank hits and push back ZygardeEven Pikachu and Ash's other pokemon pulled feats like this before XY series. Alain's Charizard was still being overpowered and only distracted Zygarde for Team Flare to use their special gun on it. >They didn't contain it at allIf they didn't contained that they would have died. The Explosion was to blow up the entire Iron Island which requires energy far greater than a nuclear explosion.>Ash and Lucario on the other hand has consistently defeated Gmaxes and snuffed out Gmax movesNot any big feat as many characters has done it.>You mean the attacks that didn't work at allGoh's opponent was freaking Mewtwo and Lucario's attack didn't worked on him ether. Furthermore they were Diantha and Goh's Pokémon, they had part is their ace knowing how to enlarge their move.>So experience and affection changes levels, stats and type resistances in the games?Pokémon level up from Experience point while Affection points allow pokemon to tank attack and sometimes raise their start.As for type resistance, it happens to all the characters such as when Alain's Charizard oneshot a Fire type like Houndoom with a Blast Burn yet it had no effect on a Steel type like Steven's Metagross.>>57>Fishous Rend isn't a nuke that defeats everything in one shotIts is buddy, play the game.>>57245683>So you're conveniently forgetting its physical form of Draco Meteor that involved it charging into its opponent alongside the meteorsStill a special attack that doesn't get boosted by Dragon Dance. Instead it lowers Special Attack by two stages.>It wouldn't have done much since her fighting mons had ways around those types like Bullet PunchWe are talking about Dragonite and Gengar, Bullet Punch won't do much against them.
>>57242740Because Lugia didn't exist until gen 2. Who the fuck types it "gen 01"?Real answer: They would've needed a new character if they gave him Mewtwo and won the league after gen 1. Could have dumped Mewtwo, but it was better writing to just have him lose the league. Nobody expects the main character to lose.
>>57245782>No proofsTeraleaks. They say enough about the Villain Yuyama who was behind all those losses. Yes, even in Kalos.
>>57245687>Wouldn't have done much since Cradily would heal off the burn damage with IngrainIngrain heal hp, it doesn't cure status conditions and negate Burn's effect of lowering attack. Meteor beam is a two turn move which requires charging.>Reversal is a great final trump cardReversal is trash on a glass cannon like Lucario that can't take hit which is why Lucario needed a giant plot armor to make Reversal work. Mega Lucario is a full offensive pokemon that has to fight without taking a hit by using its speed and evasion, it not supposed to tank attack. That's why all Lucario's battle has been boring.>Doesn't relate to Ash at all.It relates to Ash perfectly since they were both victims of bad writing.
>>57246495>Because Lugia didn't exist until gen 2. ?But Ho-oh did?
>OP telling anyone to play the game>Immediately posts horrendous builds in ESL showcasing he doesn't play the gameOP is colossal faggot.
>>57243404These girls are so fucking hot.
Let me tell you what disgusting, the anime made bullshit rules that they forced Ash and all the game characters to follow for 26 years only to backtrack and break their own rules as soon as their own self inserted OC such as Alain , Lucius and Liko showed up. Its like watching a judge who send all murderers to jail until his own son commit the same crime and the judge decided to sugercoat it and set his son free.After all , how long since the anime insisted main legendary and third legendary pokémon to be too strong to be own by a trainer? But now they are handing 3rd legendary pokémon to OC like Lucius and Gideon as if those are just normal everyday pokemon! Why? Because Lucius and Gideon are the current writer's own invention and not from the game which is why they receives special treatment than game characters and past anime characters.
>>57246324>Actually it does.>describes something not in the show
>>57246482>Even Pikachu and Ash's other pokemon pulled feats like this before XY series.Pikachu was able push back a legendary whose power can potentially destroy a whole region? Source?>If they didn't contained that they would have died. The Explosion was to blow up the entire Iron Island which requires energy far greater than a nuclear explosion.If they contained it then it would have been able to snuff/disperse it on the spot with no damage to the island rather than redirect it upward. Plus the "explosion" that resulted in the sky was pathetic - nowhere near what would be needed to destroy a whole island.>Not any big feat as many characters has done it.Many characters have cancelled out Gmax moves with normal moves supplemented with energy supplied from the trainer? Such as?>Goh's opponent was freaking Mewtwo and Lucario's attack didn't worked on him ether. Furthermore they were Diantha and Goh's Pokémon, they had part is their ace knowing how to enlarge their move.Yeah because Lucario wasnt using Ash's aura energy, it was just Double Team with normal aura sphere with its own energy only (and Cinderace with a charged up Pyro Ball from its own energy) which isnt nearly enough to beat Mewtwo. Gardevoir also everything on its own, no energy supplied from Diantha.
>>57246482>Pokémon level up from Experience point while Affection points allow pokemon to tank attack and sometimes raise their start. As for type resistance, it happens to all the characters such as when Alain's Charizard oneshot a Fire type like Houndoom with a Blast Burn yet it had no effect on a Steel type like Steven's Metagross.Those dont apply in the anime like they do in the games. Experience in the anime comes down to a mon's experience in fighting battles and honing its skills over years which increases its strength on top of the training it does, not points and numbers like the games. Ash's mons which usually only have a few months' experience at most yet were able to compete with highly experienced, E4/Champion-level mons. Plus none of those mechanics can help a Pokemon overcome complete resistances/immunities which Pikachu does regularly (e.g. electrocuting ground types and Motor Drive users). Alain's zard beating Houndoom and a ton of other megas and not Metagross is just proof of the huge gap in power between Steven and Malva which Alain sits right between was what changed their responses to the attacks (and further proves how much of an asspull Assninja was to get near that level so quickly).>Its is buddy, play the game.Nope. The heavy damage only applies if the user moves first and Ash's Dracovish is pretty slow and easy to dodge for faster mons.>Still a special attack that doesn't get boosted by Dragon Dance. Instead it lowers Special Attack by two stages.Nope Dragonite charges into the opponent directly so its physical now, we're talking about the anime not the games, try to keep up.
>>57246482>We are talking about Dragonite and Gengar, Bullet Punch won't do much against them.Machamp's Bullet Punch in the anime is punches with all four of its arms and can turn into a flurry of many hits. With Machamps powerful arms they will do a ton of damage to Dragonite and Gengar.>Ingrain heal hp, it doesn't cure status conditions and negate Burn's effect of lowering attack. Meteor beam is a two turn move which requires charging.Ingrain will recover most of the HP damage done by the burn it doesnt need to remove the condition. Plus Steven's Cradily holds its opponent it place with its tentacles negating the charge up time of Meteor Beam since they cant move to stop it.>Reversal is trash on a glass cannon like Lucario that can't take hit which is why Lucario needed a giant plot armor to make Reversal work. Mega Lucario is a full offensive pokemon that has to fight without taking a hit by using its speed and evasion, it not supposed to tank attack. That's why all Lucario's battle has been boring.Again this is the anime not the games, and anime Lucario is a lot beefier due to being to take multiple Dragon Claws from Garchomp on top of hits from Togekiss' max moves and still be standing due to its strong willpower (which is bullshit writing but still). Reversal is perfect for a mon like that that just refuses to go down and needs a final trump card to turn the tables when its on its last legs.>It relates to Ash perfectly since they were both victims of bad writing.Victims of bad writing for different reasons (Ash was made too strong out of nowhere while Lance was turned into a retard). Completely different.
>>57247059>>57247065>>57247069Bro, just stop. You're right but OP is a ESLtard. That's the same as talking to a brick wall, you ain't getting anywhere productive.
>>57242744OP BTFO
>>57247059>Pikachu was able push back a legendary whose power can potentially destroy a whole region? SourceThe Arceus movieFYI : Mega Charizard X didn't push back Zygarde, it was Zygarde that push back Charizard. Watch the battle.Also why don't we talk about Roy's Fuecoco knocking down a freaking Rayquaza with a Flame Charge? >If they contained it then it would have been able to snuff/disperse it on the spot with no damage to the island rather than redirect it upward.That's not how energy works moron. >Plus the "explosion" that resulted in the sky was pathetic - nowhere near what would be needed to destroy a whole islandWatch the episode again.>Many characters have cancelled out Gmax moves with normal moves supplemented with energy supplied from the trainer?Diantha's Gardevoir cancal out Hydregion flash canon and turned G-max Wildfire against Charizard. >Yeah because Lucario wasnt using Ash's aura energy,It never used Ash's aura energy, its used its own energy just like Iris's pokemon.
>>57247065>not points and numbers like the games"The school of Hard Knock" already confirmed the point and Number exists in the anime. >Ash's mons which usually only have a few months' experience at most yet were able to compete with highly experienced, E4/Champion-level mons.While the player's pokemon only need three hours for their pokemon to reach Champion tier. While Ash needs unknown number of months to level up. On OS series, two months passed between episode 09 so how many times you think passed between JN 21 to JN 124? >(e.g. electrocuting ground types and Motor Drive users).Electrpcuting ground type is results of bad writing where writers themselves forget type match up as shown by Brock's Crogunk KO a Steel type like Scizor with a poison jab. It happened to other characters and not exclusively to Ash's Pikachu. Also the game confirmed that Motor Drive as a limit and Pikachu's Z-move was over that limit. >Alain's zard beating HoundoomIf type matchup mattered than Alain's Charizard shouldn't able to KO a Fire type with a Blast Burn. Even Roy's Crocalor KO a ground Paradox pokemon with Flamethrower. If You are talking about gap between Champion & regular trainer then why don't we talk about Geeta's Glimmora losing to newbie trainer's Floragato's Magical Leaf when Steven's Metagross could tank Blast Burns from a Mega Charizard X.>The heavy damage only applies if the user moves first and Ash's Dracovish is pretty slowDude, Dragonvish's Fishious Rend gets receive 50% boost from Strong Jaw and another 50% boost from STAB. Furthermore in the anime, Ash doesn't need to rely on Speed Star to move first, he just need timing. >Nope Dragonite charges into the opponent directlyBut the Meteor it uses are still Special and there is no point of Dragonite charging at the opponents if the Meteor it's using gotten weaken. Its not different than Dragonite charging at somebody without using any moves.
>>57242744Crab mentality refers to pulling others down with you when you can't succeed.OP is asking why Ash can't have good things.That's pretty much the opposite of crab mentality.
>>57247585>If I can't have it neither should youAnon's got a point. OP does nothing except whining over stuff other fictional characters have and has the stupidity to compare a children show to murder trials.
>>57247069>Machamp's Bullet Punch in the anime is punches with all four of its arms and can turn into a flurry of many hitsIt has to make contact with Dragonite and Gengar that are airborne and faster than Machamp. >>57247069>Ingrain will recover most of the HP damage done by the burnIt will still lower attack which means it will weaken Power Whip as well therefore stopping it from retraining Ganger. Furthermore Garger is way too fast and can turn itself invisible for Power Whip to hold it down. It was pure bad writing that Gengar suddenly become slow against Credily.>Again this is the anime not the games, and anime Lucario is a lot beefierLucario is still a glass canon in the anime as shown by other Lucario. Ash's Lucario needed a shit plot armor to make Reversal work which ruined Lucario's battle and stopped it from being Greninja's replacement. Almost as if JN trying to damage control for Alain's Charizard by giving plot armor to Ash's Lucario.>>57247065>Victims of bad writing for different reasons (Ash was made too strong out of nowhere while Lance was turned into a retard).Ash was already meant to be strong enough to defeat E4 at the end of DP series . BW nerfed him to become a retard that loses to nood like Cameron and Trip instead of progressing him. JN series won't even let him use his reserve against Champion to make his battle as unappealing as possible.
This thread is extremely autistic.Ash can't win because the purpose of Ash's character is to showcase the width and depth of the pokemon world through his earnest character, not to dominate it.YOU are the protagonist in pokemon, and this includes the anime.Ash fails so you can say "I could have done it better", it's the same reason why Pewdiepie who sucks at videogames is more popular than [FaZe] Xx360noscoperxX, or As**ngold if you want a more contemporary example.And it's the same reason Ash is more popular than Goh, Liko, and even Red from Generations.Liko beating Geeta as a newbie killed her character. I don't care to see her fight any more than I care to see some VGC world champion fight.How does Liko beat Geeta? She uses a supereffective move. Boring.How does Red beat Brock? He pivots to Caterpie and uses string shot to slow Onyx down to give his other pokemon enough of an advantage to just squeeze in a victory. Proper tactics.How does Ash beat Brock? He loses, then he ties Pikachu to a hydroelectric generator and hamster wheels it until Pikachu is so supercharged that he blasts Brock's Onyx with a Thunderbolt through resistance. Mega retarded.The Ash approach flings open the doors to the imagination. If that's possible with Pikachu, what else is possible? Can you feed something to a Charmander so that its fire becomes stronger? Can you bury your Bulbasaur is special soil so that its vines become longer and faster? What if you gave a Machamp 4 bats?That's why Ash works and Goh/Liko are fucking boring.
>>57242744Yeah, it's getting annoying how they're always getting triggered or flatout toxic over Alain for something from nearly 9 years ago or autistic over Goh or Liko not taking as long as him to get anywhere.
>>57242744Brockposts are never missing the mark. Like goddamn.
> Alain, Goh , Liko and Lucius are depict as loners.> Even though they has no anxiety and communication problems and choose to be a loner.> The series tries to victimize them for being a loner> The series insist them to be inheritly more special than other.> The series insist them to receive special treatment and favoritism.What is with current anime's obsession with favouring loners? Not the compelling loveable loners who are friendless due to communication issue but the shit tier loners who chooses to be a loner but still acts like an victim.
>>57247653>How does Red beat Brock? He pivots to Caterpie and uses string shot to slow Onyx down to give his other pokemon enough of an advantage to just squeeze in a victory.Lame and Gary Stu>How does Ash beat Brock? He loses, then he ties Pikachu to a hydroelectric generator and hamster wheels it until Pikachu is so supercharged that he blasts Brock's Onyx with a Thunderbolt through resistance. HOLY BASED
>>57247653>the purpose of Ash's character is to showcase the width and depth of the pokemon world through his earnest character, not to dominate it.Then they should've never shown Ash having measurable progress towards doing so.>And it's the same reason Ash is more popular than Goh, Liko, and even Red from Generations.Ash is more popular because of nostalgia.>Liko beating Geeta as a newbie killed her characterA few months ago you said she was at e4 level though?>That's why Ash worksAsh fundamentally doesn't work. You either have a developing protagonist or a window onto the life of the pokemon world. Ash failed at both premises.
>>57248646>Then they should've never shown Ash having measurable progress towards doing soThe problem was never his measurable progress but the nerf. Pokémon could very well be like Adventure anime such as Frieren and Elaina with champion Ash traveling the world.>Ash is more popular because of nostalgia.You can use that excuse for every long running character. You can even say that Boruto is a better character and Naruto is only popular due to Nostalgia.>A few months ago you said she was at e4 level though?I didn't, I was more irritated with her superficial crying.>Ash fundamentally doesn't workWrong , Ash works because he has the compelling character to draw people into watching his story. That's the most important traits of the protagonist, not how cool and strong they are.
>>57246324Yeah.People act like if Liko winning over Geeta wouldn't have been controversial even if this had magically been the first anime series ever.Shit would have been wack no matter what.
Ash is Dead and Retired kek
>>57242740ash should have been killed off
