I don't get it, why does it seem like most Smash fans are convinced he'll be cut in the next game?
>>57244281Why don’t you ask them?>mostNo
>>57244281I don't see any Smashfags aying this really, the ones i see the most are Pichu and Incineroar are who they think will be gone, Lucario is a staple at this point
>>57244323*saying
>>57244281I wouldn't be surprised to see Lucario return again, but I could see him getting cut for a few reasons>next Smash is almost certain to be a smaller roster, Ultimate / Special was a 'everyone' endeavor and not a new norm>Lucario is older, doesn't have as much appeal as some others, not as front and center in merch / promotions now>was basically an upgraded Mewtwo, could be replaced with a new mon of a similar kit>aura gimmick was never popular, damage to do damage isn't popular with players. At least it was toned down over time>returning fighter gets a lot less hype than a newcomerThat said, they're probably not going to replace him with something newer than ZA. Brawl skipped putting in some Platinum elements despite Platinum being only a few months later. ...which I remember vividly because Cresselia at Spear Pillar made no sense and that fucker ruined so many All-Star runs because it was so late in the lineup. The only time they put future game content in was Kojima being cheeky with MGS4 hints.
i remember during my senior year of high school I was playing smash while a bunch of latinx hooligans were watching and I was 1v1ing a level 9 lucario CPU as little mac and I told them I would be rolling that dead lucario pack once I won and I barely clutched a win and every time I would see them I would ask them what kind of pack I would be rolling and remind them that I was rolling that dead lucario pack
>>57244281>>57244386>heshe*
>>57244431Its close enough that I get why people can get into female Lucario, but I've never gotten into it myself
The only mons getting cut are Pichu, Baracat and maybe Mewtwo since he was cut before, there's absolutely no way in hell Lucario will ever get cut from Smash
>>57244281He was a shill pick during the time where Sinnoh was new and his movie was still fresh in everyone's mind, it makes sense for people to think that he's getting cut and replaced with a new shill pick since he's not as relevant anymore.
Incineroar is as good as gone as for the rest of the Pokemon, maybe they shape up Pokemon Trainer
>>5724428190% of roster cuts are people just taking out what they want. Don't pay them any mind.
>>57244281>Lucario cutNo
>>57244386I've never agreed with the notion that his aura mechanic makes him a worse character. I think the top Lucario reps are full of shit and won't admit they like killing below 100%. His real weakness is his low gravity: being a floaty character with small aerials gives him too many low-angle blind spots and too much downtime in his activity. If he could spam landing aerials as fast as Palutena, he'd be a high tier. Seriously, imagine if aura were gone, and Luc mains were stuck with:1) worse aura sphere (main neutral tool)2) worse side special3) worse up special4) same movement stats that makes Lucario meta rely on coin flip neutralLucario hitting fast or small (or both) characters is impossible in matches between adequate players. He is NOT improving with an extra ~2-3% per hit when he struggles to hit in the first place. As for kill power, he has nearly none anyway. His KO moves' knockbacks even at 1x aura are poor and he doesn't have the kill setups, frame data, or edge guarding ability to compensate for it.
>>57244750>>I've never agreed with the notion that his aura mechanic makes him a worse character.>>As for kill power, he has nearly none anyway. His KO moves' knockbacks even at 1x aura are poor Are you retarded? The reason Lucario is so gimped in his other aspects is BECAUSE he's balanced around aura. He can't have good stats at 0% because that would make him too powerful when Aura is online, so that means Lucario has to lose to effectively play the game, this is people's issues with Lucario, and his evaporation from the competitive sphere proves that occasionally getting wacky 0 to deaths at 140% isn't worth being shit tier until you're down a stock and having little to no consistency when it comes to combos and setups.They need to completely cut Aura out of Lucario's moveset or just keep it tied to a single move like his neutral B or something, then balance the rest of his kit like a normal character, which in fact does mean buffing things like his recovery and movement. No idea why you'd think gutting aura means just leaving Lucario at his 0% stage when that would mean permanently putting Lucario at like, 50% or something.Lucario as is, to me, just reeks of Brawl's rushed development and TCPI forcing Sakurai to put their then new golden boy into Smash to sell more toys, meaning Sakurai gave Lucario a boring moveset with a completely made up gimmick that has literally nothing to do with anything the character actually does and Lucario has suffered for it for 3 games now. Seriously, comparing Pokemon Trainer, who's probably the single best adaptation of a game's mechanics to Smash, to Lucario, makes him look like a fucking joke. I doubt he's going anywhere (if a Pokemon is getting cut its Incineroar) but he's front of the line when it comes to fighters who need reworks.
>>57244281hes in
>>57244824We'll get a Gen 10 mon, sorry she's out
>>57244787>>57244787If you can, install a mod that adjusts his damage percents and nullifies Lucario's aura, to simulate it not existing, and try him out. You will find that the most difficult thing about him isn't learning his combos, or anything like that, it's hitting at all. His tiny moves get outranged, or his approaches get outsped, he has nearly no shield pressure, truly his best tool (as is demonstrated by every single notable Lucario representative) is aura sphere. Either zoning like Samus charge shot or B reversing for the charging hitbox. Spamming landing back air is fake neutral, and its recovery is too slow to threaten follow-ups. Nair is a fine hitbox but won't help you against short characters or low dashes, because Lucario doesn't land in time to meet a fast approach. He has few out of shield options. He struggles to hit things, and that's why people don't like him and why his best mains won't break through any barriers.>gutting aura means just leaving Lucario at his 0%1x aura is his base damage, at 0% he has 60% effectiveness, with anywhere between 1-5% differences on his normals (5% on back air and smashes, specifically). Without aura as a mechanic, he'd be getting, at most, ~8% damage total on his opening combos, and KOing what, 10-20% earlier? For losing out on the potential to do even more damage and kill even earlier at the stages of the match you'd want exactly that? The argument that Lucario MUST "lose" to gain the bonus is ridiculous: watch Lucario matches and you'll see that they are already losing and its not because they don't have aura yet, its because his movement is buttcheeks and he can't keep up with better characters. We already had this conversation with Mythra. Low damage per hit, but she makes up for it with:1) farther range2) faster moves3) faster speed4) second best short hop in the game5) combosTraits Lucario does not excel at. Aura is arguably fine, it's his mobility that needs a tune-up.
All he needs is a rework on his moveset which I think they'll do for the whole roster this time to make it fresh, I can never ever see Lucario getting cut, same goes for Pikachu and the Pokemon Trainer.
>>57244281What are you talking about? Lucario has arguably aged the best compared to other post-Gen 1 shillmons. Baracat is the most likely to be cut.>>57244891Depends on when the next Smash is coming out. If it's before Gen 10 releases, Meowscarada is basically in.
>>57245229It’s definitely not coming out before Gen 10 but either way it’s not going to be the cat.
>>57244281whomst've are you referring to when you say 'most Smash fans'?
>>57244935But Pokemon Trainer was cut in Smash 4.
>>57245282Yeah the next Smash is probably not coming out till 2026 maybe even early 2027, we'll be a good bit into Gen 10 by then
>PichuCut>Pokemon Trainerstays or either reworked with a new rotation or cut and it becomes solo Charizard again>PikachuKek>LucarioPretty much a pillar shillmon never getting cut>Jigglypuffan OG Smash Vet I feel like will never get cut>MewtwoMaybe, maybe not>GreninjaDoubt it gets cut, TPCi really pushes the frog hard marketing wise>IncineroarCut, TPCI has completely dropped shilling it and they don't need to market Gen 7, they'll probably just get another Fighting game character to do the wrestling/grappler shtick>A Gen 10 or ZA Pokemon/Characterlikely the next Pokemon character for Smash
>>57245529What's with you guys and acting like the 64 roster are sacred cows that will never be cut simply for being MUH ORIGINAL 12?
>>57244323>>57245229>>57245298Every now and then, I watch hypothetical next Smash Bros, or hypothetical cut videos just to see what the general community thinks because I'm bored. Doesn't help that a new one is probably coming within a year or so since Nintendo likes to have Smash games early in their console's lifespan with the Switch 2 announced.But I swear, most of these Youtubers always cut Lucario, calling his moveset a clone of Mewtwo as well sometimes.I also saw a tweet on my shitter timeline of someone making a hypothetical roster and they cut Lucario and from what I skimmed through, no one batted an eye.A lot of times, I see Youtubers say Lucario fell off in relevance, or that Greninja completely eclipsed Lucario's popularity based on that one 2020 poll, even though Lucario also placed second.Maybe it's because a lot of folks in the community are from the general Melee/Gamecube era, or are still mauling over Mewtwo not being in Brawl or somethingI think Delzethin is one of the few that I saw keep Lucario on his hypothetical roster>>57244681>>57245529Sucks that Incineroar is likely on the chopping block cause I think he's one of the most fun Pokemon fighters
let's be honest, other than Pichu, unless there's some sort of crunch in the next Smash game that necessitates dumping many characters, none of the Pokemon will realistically be cut from the next Smash. Hell Pichu could even get in as a rebranded Echo Fighter (Ultimate really did fuck all with that outside of Ken I guess).
>>57245584Have any of the original 12 been cut yet?
>>57245529>they'll probably just get another Fighting game character to do the wrestling/grappler shtickWatch Capcom try to get another Street Fighter character in
>>57245617No but assuming they'll never be cut simply for being the original 12 seems rather dumb to me. Especially since we have had interviews where Sakurai said he considered cutting Jigglypuff before.
>>57244741>bewear is in the top 100 most marketable pokemon i find that hard to believe
>>57245663he's literally already a marketable plushie, what's so surprising about that?
>>57245605Yeah I think a good majority of 1st party fighters are going to stick. It’s mainly 3rd parties that are very likely to be cut aside from a few obvious picks like Sonic & Pac/Mega Man
>>57245663Most of these mons range from cool and cute, Bewear sits in that between, it had cool fights in the anime and can be a cute plush.
>>57244741>Cinderace and Greninja are the only final evos outside of the Kanto startersI really question why this place sees them as failed shillmons or shillmons Game Freak dropped.
>>57244741>Piplup and Rowlet are more marketable than the Kanto StartersN-NANI?!
>>57245825They are Huge in Nip land
>>57244741Chadlup in the top 3
>>57245731This was released a few weeks ago, they definitely see the rabbit as marketable, kids keep buying his merch so they keep making it, that's why he's so high on there even above the two Kanto final evolutions, I doubt it's going anywhere.
>>57244281Smashfags haven’t been relevant in forever. They all ended their lives after WaLuigi was denied.
>>57244281People who hate his moveset want him gone, but in reality, there's now way in hell Lucario is cut.
>>57247550Oh they'll be back, and they'll say that Geno will be in for sure this time
>>57247550>>57248609On the one hand, I am dreading the annoying speculation and unearned entitlement from smashfags for another however many years, but in the other I’m excited to see how they’re inevitably going to be disappointed with who does get announced. Terry was the ultimate filter
>>57248647Don't forget the mere mention of Fire Emblem causing conniptions
>>57246349Based Rabbit
>>57244281stop taking Smash cut videos seriously. At best they're just a creative exercise from the creator to pass the time. At worst it's just vitriol to vent their anger on fighters they don't like hidden as a 'guiz I'm just being ReAlIsTiC here'.None of the people making those videos actually know what Nintendo is planning for the next Smash Brothers and will usually have the cuts myopically focusing on the competitive scene without ever considering casual play.
>>57244281Because his gimmick means he's useless for 2/3rds of the round. Hopefully if they keep him in they'll buff his base stats so he can actually do some damage earlygame because his movement is fun as fuck.
I'm going to be so upset when they cut Incineroar. Hopefully the next mon fighter will be something interesting, but knowing how shit goes it'll probably be some boring ass zoner who doesn't play the game.
>>57245731Regardless of anybody's takes here, cinderace and meowscarada are some of the most popular mons in probably over a decade. It's a combination of bait and autists trying to manifest their contrarianism.
>>57246349I feel like Greninja and Cinderace might get Megas
>>57244681>>57245529anon Sakurai gives the final call not TPCiif TPCi gets their grubby hands you wouldn't see Jigglypuff or Incineroar in the game
>>57251187would be Based
>>57251187Zereora's already getting one, so maybe
