>Incredibly well received at launch >Now the least talked about games in the seriesWhat happened?
>>57244476let's play pro nuzlocke youtubers
>>57244476>play it once>it's fine>try to replay it>it's impossibleit be like that
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>>57244476that was almost a decade ago what even is left to talk about by now
>>57245139People still seem to have plenty to say about every Gen preceding it
Ive been getting back into pokemon with ultra sun.
>>57244476Not new enough for people to bitch about, not old enough for nostalgia fags to prop up.It'll get it's time in a few years. Everyone is too busy now saying XY was good (it wasn't)
>>57244476I guess people got tired of crying about the cutscenes
>>57244476>Incredibly well received at launch...was it though? I remember a fair bit of criticism even back then, specifically about all the cutscenes. I think these have always been pretty polarizing games.
>>57244476Replaying them isnt fun because of the hand holding and I really effing hate rotomdex
>>57244476We have weekly meetings where we talk about them, clearly you're not invited.
>>57244476It's not possible to replay because of how exposition-heavy it is, even watching Let's Plays are a slog as a result.That being said, most people do fondly remember it even if the experience is only playable on the first time, and they're likely hoping for a remake that makes the narrative skippable or a Legends game that revisits Alola in a new context.
Do people serioisly replay these games? You only have one save slot.
>>57245794holy fuck yes making the pokedex le epic rotom in every game now is so gay.
>>57245868Just restart the save file
>>57245868you could buy another copy no one wants them anymore
>>57244476>>57244486To me, it was a fine and at the time novel type of fun because it was a small divergence from the gym formula, but looking back on it I did not really want to replay it because it has so much yapping cutscenes and once I experienced the altered formula I realized I wasn't that interested in redoing it so I guess I didn't love it after all.
>>57245800>even watching Let's Plays are a slogwatching lets plays are always a slog though
>>57245868Yes? You put your Pokemon in Bank or trade to a different game so you can hold onto them, then you restart your save file.
>>57245768this
>>57245800Anything but Gen 7 and 8, yeah
>>57245868Just rename the old .sav and start a new one
It has Lillie and other cunnys so it stays goated.
>>57244476I never even played these and it made me quit Showdown even.
The atrocious pacing kills their replay value and there's no interesting gimmick facilities like the battle factory for people to stream.
>>57244476>Incredibly well received at launchNo it wasn't lmao. You do realise that there are plenty of people on this board who have been here since before generation 7, right? Maybe you haven't been, so your impression that they were "incredibly well received" (kek) is based on what, some YouTubers said it? Have the past few generations, especially the debacle around SwSh, not shown everyone by now that the people who make their living talking about Pokémon will literally worship basically anything that gets released with the name Gamefreak on it? Their praise is neither indicative of the actual quality nor is it reflective of what broader public opinion is.In case you don't remember I will relay what the feeling was at the time. When Sun and Moon came out they were not "incredibly well received (kek), they were actually the opposite. They were the LEAST well received games in the entire series up to that point. The fact that 30% of the game is a tutorial, and another 10% is unskippable handholding and boring dialogue that takes centuries to get through, was criticised and ridiculed by everyone from /vp/ anons to those in the mainstream. Up to that point they were the most heavily criticised Pokémon games which had ever been released.You need to also understand the atmosphere of the time to fully grasp the degree is antipathy and animosity towards Sun & Moon. The fanbase had been basically perfectly primed towards hatred for whatever came out next. Generation 6 with X & Y versions had just been deliberately cut short resulting in an undercooked generation that had been purposely gimped and handicapped so that Gamefreak could move on to the next one and make more money. We didn't need leaks to tell us that version Z was cancelled, it was plainly obvious to everyone with a working brain and working eyes that X & Y were rushed and that Pokémon Z was intended to be next, such as Diamond & Pearl.
>>57244476>>57247116Then you take into consideration the fact that the last thing most Pokémon players had seen was the downright insulting ORAS battle frontier where, after the end of the game and when players were expecting a Battle Frontier, all they got was a sign saying "the battle frontier project has started" beside an empty construction site". It may as well have been a jpeg of a middle finger pointed at the player. This pissed people off as much as when, at the end of Mass Effect 3, the literal last word of the final sentence of the entire trilogy of games was "DLC".Then you also need to take into account what happened with the X&Y, and XY&Z, anime. The generation 5 anime was, to put it kindly, a series of mistakes each one more disastrous than the last. If the anime is a company being handed from generation to generation then the 5th generation almost ruined the whole family business and crashed it with no survivors. The generation 6 anime had the daunting and herculean task of not only trying to try and salvage the family company but also to make a good product that people wanted to buy. They had to try to undo the damage done to the anime by Best Wishes, something they ultimately were never totally successful in doing (because how could they be? they couldn't exactly just say that the past entire 3/4 years of the anime was non-canon and never happened). They did the best they could with what they had.
>>57244476Take the win. You don’t WANT your games to be talked about.
>>57244476>>57247124They made a spiritual successor tothe Diamond & Pearl (what most people wish the BW anime had actually been rather than a soft reboot), and basically tried to put the train back on the right tracks of where it probably would have been had the trajectory of Kanto, Johto, through Hoenn and Sinnoh continued to had generation 5's anime not been the abomination that it was. They made it a bit more mature, nothing too intense, and allowed some actual character growth and development.The delusion of we can do no wrong shattered by generation 5 they actually took their foot of the necks of the anime staff for once and let them cook, and cook they did. The attitude towards the anime going into generation 6 was one of hatred, revulsion and mockery. They had squandered most of the good will that had been built up from the beginning of Kanto through to the end of Sinnoh over the span of a few years during the Unova part of the anime. Everyone from Pokémon fans to general anime fans to the wider public had a dim view of the Pokémon anime, there was talk wondering whether it should just be killed and whether it had basically outlived whatever good had been in it years prior.People were primed to hate whatever came next, and many, many people certainly wanted to hate X&Y but something miraculous happened: it was actually good. And really good. For the first time in a long time they were actually putting some serious effort into the anime. The animation and music was vastly improved basically overnight. People thought they were having a feverdream when they realised that they were actually going to allow a real romance subplot. X&Y was basically universally loved during its run and it brought many people back to the anime who had previously dropped it as a result of how offensively bad the BW anime had been.
>>57244476>>57247139X&Y started strong and only got stronger as it went, with some people during its run coming to regard it as the absolute peak that the Pokémon anime had ever been. If I remember correctly the Pokémon anime at the time was at the top of ratings for all anime in all of Japan, something which I don't think had happened since Pokémania many years prior. While this love was not shattered at the end of the generation 6 anime, there was a bittersweetness. A LOT of people were very unhappy with how the League was handled. Yes I know that people have always complained if Ash doesn't win but the distinct impression people had was that X&Y was setting Ash up to finally win for once. And many people, myself included, think that was intially the plan. Clearly plans changed, just like how the initially planned version Z was cancelled, and many people, again myself included, got the impression that the intial vision for the anime was quietly redirected with what was coming up in generation 7 in mind.It was also pretty clear to those who were following the X&Y anime that the last part of the anime was quite rushed. When once the attitude had been to just let the anime team cook, the pressure was now being put on them to wrap it up. Generation 6 had been cut short, as I have already discussed, and the anime had to be wrapped up so that a new anime for Sun & Moon would be ready for the launch of the games. A lot of the plot threads brought up in X&Y never got any proper resolution and many people ended the series having loved it but also with a deep sense of disappointment. The broader overarcing sory and lore of Greninja was never properly wrapped up or brought to any sort of real conclusion, that was a big one that people didn't like. The anime staff, when they were allowed to just cook uninterrupted, had clearly been building up to something and that was never permitted.
>>57244476>>57247146Another big one, perhaps the biggest one, was how the romance subplot with Serena. Like what I mentioned with Greninja, before the series was rushed to a conclusion and wrapped up for the generation 7 anime that romance subplot was gradually building up to something and had been consistently developing from the first handful of episodes. Over the span of a few years it had gradually developed, sometimes in the background but also in the foreground. It too however fell victim to this rushed wrapping up. It never really got a proper resolution and it never received any real conclusion. The kiss has been memed to death, and yes it was massive when it happened, but immediately after those who had been following the series were left with a ".....wait, so that's it?". A 30 second scene at the end of 3 years of a subplot. There was hopium, in retrospective it was copium, that it wouldn't be just left like that and many people hoped for the generation 7 anime to basically be X&Y2, to continue on either directly with at least some of the same characters or at least in the same spirit as X&Y. This turned out to be in vain however. Serena was sent off to Hoenn and wouldn't even be seen for another 7 YEARS after that episode aired, and when she did show up that 3 year developing romance subplot wasn't even mentioned. The entire ash anime ended without it even ever being acknowledged again, something which anons at the time on /padt/ which I brosed at the time had discussed as worst case scenario.
>>57244476I regularly state that Gen 7 is on the better side of the spectrum all the time.
>>57244476>>57247148Viewers were in the worst mood possible to receive what they were about to witness when they got their first look at the Sun & Moon anime. It was essentially the antithesis to X&Y. Gone was the much improved tone, gone was the excellent animation style, and even the premise. It was now a much more childlike slice of life with new visuals that were.... divise to sale the least. The visuals alone, let alone the whole rest of the package, were so divisive that it fractured the viewership with many immediately dropping the anime never to return.Notably one of the translators for the main fansub group at the time, PM fansubs, a woman who went by the username Sushi immediately dropped it and never looked back. From what I know she still all these years later hasn't gone back to the Pokémon anime, for personal enjoyment or to do subs. There were some people who liked Sun & Moon and I suppose good for them but there were a LOT of people who didn't and plenty who outright hated it. It split the viewership so deeply that it has never unsplit since then. There are a lot of anime viewers who, to them, the entire anime basically ended with X&Y and who view everything that came after S&M such as Journeys as spiritual successors to thatkind of the anime and not worth even hatewatching.
>>57244476>>57247154I wasn't intending on writing so much about this topic but I think it's probably useful and hopefully a little bit educational in a historical sense for those who weren't around at the time as to exactly what the atmosphere was in 2016 when the Sun & Moon games released. It might be difficult for those who weren't there and who don't remember or at least understand what the atmosphere was at the time to grasp why exactly there was such a massive backlash to the games, at least part of the reason. It certainly had a lot to do with their quality but it's important to keep in mind that the fanbase was completely primed to viscerally hate whatever came next and these games gave the pefect justification to many people to indulge that hatred.It didn't have to be this way, Sun & Moon certainly aren't innocent. The example I gave about the BW anime is a perfect comparison: people WANTED so much to hate the next series of the anime after the insulting abomination that was BW but they ended up loving it because it was just that good. With how the latter part of generation 6 was handled so many people WANTED to hate the new games and they didn't have to look far for a list of reasons as long as your arm to easily justify that hatred.It's a shame how it all turned out but it really do be like that sometimes.
AI slop or did some retard actually type all that? Either way no one's reading that shit XYfag
>>57244476>GamesThose were interactive 3DS movies
>>57244476It's boring and the island challenges suck. I like the region though. It was a fun place to walk around.
>>57247154>>57247160"Manchildren who still watch the anime and are effectively admitting they've only ever watched Pokemon as an anime" is a more accurate way to describe the people who were still hyper invested by SM.
>>57244476Everything worth discussing has already been discussed and everything left is just shitty bait fuel for Kalosfags and Hoennfags to genwar over
>>57247255Many years ago I once tried watching through the whole anime. BW was very difficult to sit through and there reached a point where I couldn't even force myself to sit through it, it was genuinely unpleasant. SM is in the same vein.
>>57245907>the time novel type of funit certainly was a novel, you got that right.
>>57247279Sun & Moon are Pokémon series' equivalent of Hispanic telenovelas
>>57245139>that was almost a decade agoWhere did the fucking time go
>>57247285Not the literal region that takes place in Spain?
>>57247243Alola is easily the best nu-Pokemon region
Sun and Moon - Good, filtered speed running autists and people who expect dark souls out of pokemon X and Y - nostalgia garbage meant to placate the retards after the unappreciated kino that was Black and White. It was hard carried by the mega gimmick and was one of the most bland settings in all of pokemon with an even worse hand holding structure than what sun and moon gets accused of
>>57247294No gen 9 is more like the Pokémon equivalent to Mexican liveleak videos of cartels sawing peoples heads off with chainsaws
>>57247310>nostalgia garbage meant to placate the retardsthat's sm too
The games are shit and too long, on top of being blatantly unfinished in SM. And the map sucks ass
>>57244476There were so many trailers that when the games finally came out, there was almost nothing left to discover. I’m glad they didn’t repeat the same mistake.
>>57247279DOHOHOHOHO
>>57247310As everyone knows speedrunners and dark souls fans have always been the biggest annoyances of the community
>>57247296I'm kinda bias because it's based on an American state but I agree. It's the best newer region. Definitely prefer it over Kalos and Galar. I don't think it's controversial to say SV has the worst looking region. I do like the building designs. Just most of the region is big fields of nothing. I'm hoping Gen 10 atleast adds more to the open world.
>>57244476/vp/ told me popularity/sales don't equal a good game
>>57247272I’m genuinely the opposite, and I had the same experience as you. Everything from Johto to Kalos was genuinely unbearable to sit through, though at least Kalos had actual animation. Alola was the first series with some semblance of the spirit of the original Kanto run, even if it was only an imitation, and it’s pretty much the only one I can speak positively on beyond Kanto.
>>57247401I just think Alola commits to its concept the most. The rest just dont feel like they go all the way. Regardless of how you feel about the game it really feels like they took their time in fully realizing “PokeHawaii.” It reminds me of the older regions in that way.Similarly to Hoenn the game makes an effort to make its sandy and icey areas make sense within the context of a tropical setting, whereas Kalos/Galar/Paldea are theme parks.The entire pokedex it introduces also feels fixated on the tropical theming, whereas I dont feel the same about the others. Though tropical theming is probably easier to execute than Iberia or the British Isles.And the music especially never lets up on immersing you in the region. There’s something to be said about its lacking exploration but the region feels so deliberately crafted I kind of dont mind.
>>57247411Honestly how did you do it? There's hundreds and hundreds of episodes. I was far from strong enough to endure BW, I could never put up with that much if I didn't like it.
>>57245904>you can buy complete in box copies of gen 7 for pennies>meanwhile even loose carts of the DS era games can go for triple digitsthis says a lot about our society
>>57247116>your impression that SwSh were well-received is wrong because it comes from youtubers (citation needed)>instead, they were actually generally poorly received because /vp/ criticized itlmao>You do realise that there are plenty of people on this board who have been here since before generation 7, right?you do realize Metacritic has archived reviews from that time, right?
>>57247442Oh shit niggers Metacritic has been cited! Fellow redditors, how do I delete my posts???!!! please help
>>57247428Genuinely? A lot of multitasking. Having episodes on while I did cleaning, schoolwork, hobbies, and so on. Most episodes were pure filler with limited animation so they don’t require a ton of attention anyway, which I can say helped me get through the torture that was BW.
>>57247461I also watched all of the movies. From like Gen 3 onwards they’re pure slop (and some like Zoroark’s are unbearable too), but I thought the Diancie and Zeraora ones were neat.
>>57247470Movie 9 and 10 were absolute kino, especially 9
>>57245774Thats the only thing to cry about because the rest of the game is generally quite good
>>57247452>NOOOOO METACRITIC IS REDDIT BECAUSE... IT JUST IS OK? PLEASE I REALLY NEED TO WIN THIS ARGUMENT ON VEEPEE
>>57244476it was astroturfed, you fell for it
>>57244476The franchise fell off after gen 7 most fans worth a soul left after dexit
