I've been playing since gen 3, and this is the only gen I ever skipped. Is it as bad as people say?I've been watching some clips of it, and after the bad taste of scarlet and violet, SWSH looks like a breath of fresh air.
>>57244656Play it and form your own opinion
>>57244656SV is the most innovative game in the series but executes that terribly.SwSh is much more derivative, yet still executes terribly, so if you want a "breath of fresh air" as in a return to more typical Pokemon, yea you have that here, but it's the worst take on the formula.
>>57244656>Is it as bad as people say?No not really, I actually enjoyed the dlc
not only is it the peak of the pokemon franchise, it's the peak of the switch period.
its fine, i'd call it mediocre but with the dlcs it becomes a tolerable 6/10 game, I think it general opinion is the dlc is what makes it even worth playing some parts are pretty fun though
>>57244676The fact that you can actually get into the dlc area pretty damn early in the game helps out a lot by going back and forth from the base game to the dlc as you level up, it makes it feel like a more complete game. It also has a really fun Legendary randomized dungeon raid which feels almost too good to be in SwSh, but makes the Crown Tundra very replayable.
>>57244656Gen 6 was worse but SS were probably the 2nd worst mains series games. You could skip, but I didn't skip it and I didn't die so it's whatever.
>>57244662NPC dumbass repeats the same copy/pasted response every time, even now where it makes no sense because OP is asking if he should play it at all or not.
>>57244965>hey guys is the bmw worth buying or not? Ones sitting in my garage rn but I wanna know you guys opinion
>>57244656.....I enjoyed SwSh more than SV, they're both lackluster af games
>>57244656SV is a better game than SWSH
>>57244965Are you upset that the bait isn’t working?
>>57244983He said he skipped it and he's asking if it's worth going back to, not that he already has it and wants other people's opinions. How are you this stupid?
>>57244958at least Kalos was fun to explore, Galar is pure garbage
>>57245286Insane how you managed to name the literally worst part of Kalos as a strength.
>>57245576it can't be worse than anything it came after
>>57245581It can, and it is. I don't care how much work you out in to route design, if you coat the ground on the entire region in ice it'll be a pain in the ass to explore and navigate. Nothing has been worse before or since.
This is bait of the highest order. Neck yourself OP.
>>57244664>innovative>open world trend of the last decade but executed horriblyLmao what
>>57244656I'm in the same position.Something about gen 8 seems uniquely soulless and gives me the ick.But I'm wondering if I should give it a chance it at some point if it's going to be the last ever classic style Pokemon game.
>>57245581Fun Fact: It absolutely is way worse than anything after it. The only way you could possibly consider it not to be is if you don't count SS's Wild Area or DLCs. Alola has overall way better exploration than Kalos, and Alola is just slightly worse than most other games (although you can make arguments about Sinnoh's exploration being fairly weak as well). And SV is entirely about exploration on a fundamental level, to the detriment of basically every other system. It's really interesting how little exploration Kalos provides at every step of the game, and how underwhelming or unfun for the player it is, it's almost impressive. Like the only one that's really remarkable is Lost Hotel which isn't just strong for Kalos, but the entire series, and that doesn't bring it up that much because so much of the rest of it is so fucking bad,
>>57247446i can see your point but, Gen 4 (both DPPt and HGSS) are full of well designed dungeons and SV should theoretically be more about exploration but it's so empty and uninspired that there are almost zero memorable locations
>>57244965>it is now "NPC" to say "don't base your own thoughts and opinions on those of other people"nuke the board
>>57247396being 1 decade behind rather than 2 decades behind is actually pretty innovative for pokemon standards
>>57244662>>57244664>>57245013these
>>57247462It's NPC to have an auto programed response that you spit out every time a subject comes up, even if it's not really applicable.
>>57244664Scat Vom is the worst game in the series, innovative =/= an empty overworld and a shit story that won’t stop rearing it’s ugly head every time you do something
>>57247412>uniquely soulless That's how I feel about gen 9Gen 8 feels like it has way more soul and identify
>>57247579> auto programed response that you spit out every time a subject comes upThis never happened.
>>57247679Cope.
>>57247797So you just throw out buzzwords? Cool. Keep crying.
>>57247591Hello discordie
>>57247588Im sorry but making the game open world and letting you tackle the gyms in any order alongside star bases and titan pokemon is innovative. Like I said the game is dogshit but its completely understandable how going from SV to SwSh could be seen as “refreshing”
>>57245008This
>>57247820Cope.
>>57248943Keep crying
>>57247911There's still a correct order they just don't tell you what it is! Like being able to explore most of the island from very early is great. But the content still has fixed levels. You're going to sequence break or become rapidly overlevelled and the game needed to handle that somehow but didn't.
>>57248974>I NEEEED TO DO EVERYTHING IN LEVEL ORDER!!you don’t understand how open world games work or why levels even exist in rpgs.
>>57248974between>Gyms scale with you. Every single town you come across in the game is "the correct one". You feel no fear or need to be prepared for a gym because you know it's going to be catered to your power level. Everything feels sterile and "programmed" and the world doesn't feel like it exists independently from your actions. After you beat the gym, you never need to return to the town ever again or remember anything about it.and>Gyms don't scale with you. You may come across a town you're not quite supposed to be in yet. You feel reticent when challenging a gym because you might get your shit rocked, and that makes you want to prepare yourself a bit better. The world feels lived in, and independent from your actions. If you're unable to beat the gym, you commit it and the town to memory to revisit later, making the world itself more memorable in the process, your exploration more meaningful, and the future comeback more satisfying. I know which one I'd choose for surepokemon crystal clear is an open world pokemon game with gym scaling, and it was one of the most dull and grueling experiences I've ever had with pokemon because it boils down to>enter gym>beat gym leader>grind until you're ready for the next gym>fly to next gym picked at random>repeat
>>57249015>>57249016The average player wants to do things in level order so that the content is not too easy nor too difficult. If you challenge that unknown gym and lose you will still have to go find the "right" one, and if you clutch a victory you just made another gym that you missed(but still HAVE to do to complete the game) trivial baby mode shit.Other open world RPGs, if you manage to skip a boss, good for you, you don't have to go back and do it despite being stronger than a later boss. But the entire premise of gyms is you have to beat all of them to earn the right to challenge the elite 4. The entire premise of Starfall is you have to do all of them to take down team star. The entire premise of the titans is you have to do all of them to get all the HMs and save doggo. The entire premise of area zero is you have to do all that shit above to prove you're strong enough to get to the final boss and clear the game. You have to do ALL of it, so there is either scaling or an order unless you want the game to be like microwaved leftovers- scalding hot and frozen at the same time.The scaling on this game is also screwed- any relatively experienced gamer is going to find that BLJ skip next to the first town, and five feet from there is a ~L25 fixed spawn scyther which then lets you catch whatever you want from there. Ground items infinitely and rapidly respawn so you can't run out of money, balls, healing etc. Wandering around exploring and catching stuff is really fun and now you're level 40 before even visiting the damn school lmao. You're gonna say some shit like "have self control" but you just got done writing an essay on why having limitations is gay baby aids
>>57249088no, no, I'm confusing shit! You don't even NEED the dog to do that skip! You literally just throw a pokeball at a pokemon you can see from across a small gap! Everyone I know figured that out independently without seeing it on youtube or whatever
>>57249088>The average player wants to doI'm going to say this as kindly as I can, but I don't give an iota of a fuck about what the average player wants. the average player worships SV as paragons of RPG godhood, the average player is a bumbling retard. The only thing I'm defending in SV is the lack of scaling, it's the one good decision they made because the other open world pokemon game I played has scaling and it sucks liquid shit>Other open world RPGs, if you manage to skip a boss, good for you (...) But the entire premise of gyms is you have to beat all of themI have never played an RPG where every single boss is optional
you people rumble at level scaling but you clearly never played any other game, all jrpgs are fucking shit, there is tons of lv80 or so in the world when you are lv 20 and it only requires few steps
>>57247591gen 8 is literally just 7 but worse in every way like how do you jump from the 3ds to the switch to somehow have even more restrictive and linear maps
>>57249601funny because its the same engine because both the 3DS and Switch run the same OS and graphics API
>>57249872>same OS and graphics API>means its the same enginedude...
>>57249886minor changes in code and compiler settings doesnt make it a new engine. Gen 8 is pretty much Gen 7 in 720p
>>57249899thats a better argument brother, the previous post was acting like anything running on w10 using direct x is the same engine
