How do we fix the ice type?
>>57246631by playing the game instead of staring at fanfic tier lists like a fucking retard
>>57246631Make it immune to ice. It's already immune to Sheer Cold, so why not?
why do campaignshitters have such a weird obsession with the type chart?
>>57246653>Make it immune to iceNot a compfag, how is this going to fix anything?
make the same yawnfag baiting thread with the same image for the thousandth time, I'm sure that's gonna help
>>57246658It doesn't. These threads are just about listing random type chart changes and pretending you're smart.
>>57246658Takes Ice's one good defensive trait and pushes it to the extreme.
Simple>Gut Ice Beam's distributionIf only Ice Types can use it, they'll be explicitly more viable, via their powerful "coverage"
>>57246702Again, how will that change anything when Ice's "one good defensive trait" is worthless to begin with? Multiplying by zero is still zero
>>57246702And in the process making it less reliable offensively. Thanks retard.>>57246704They're already explicitly more viable because STAB is a thing, retard.
>>57246707except they arent, because unless its a bull cranked up to Kyurem-Bundle levels, ice types by themselves straight suck offensively, while other types are able to supplement their types with Ice Beam as coverage
>>57246712>ice types by themselves straight suck offensivelyThen go tell the fanficshit council to unban all those Ice types. Clearly they were wrong.
>>57246715oh youre just refuckintardedIron Bundle is Flutter Mane on Ice Skates, while Calyrex-IceRider has such insane attack, and just enough bulk, that if it lives a hit, it will secure a damn kill. Baxcalibur was unfairly banned, Chien-Pao hits like Chi-Yu but can kill Landorus, Kyurem-B has MORE attack, bulk, and speed than Calyrex-Ice, and Arceus has literally all the coverageIce is either Overtuned to fucking 12, or so fucking bad that it makes me wonder if coverage as a whole was a bad idea
>>57246720>b-b-b-but the pokemon are GOOD so they don't count!woaaaah really? Next you'll tell me Fairy sucks offensively unless it's cranked up to Zacian levels!
>>57246721I mean, not really? Fairies aren't the best in OU, but theyre no fuckin slouch lol. You do gotta watch for Iron Valiant and Hatterene can be a pain if you aren't aware, but Flutter Mane and Magearna are moreso carried by their abilities and overpowering special attack than their typing. They'd be just as good if they werent fairy type.
>>57246728>Fairies aren't the best in OU, but theyre no fuckin slouchYou mean like Ice types? Until fanficshit banned them?
>>57246660>pretending you're smartonly deeply insecure people say things like this
>>57246734No, because the ice type that is ou is contentious enough as is, and the only ones that, while not ou, have actual strategies to them, are the fighting weak weavile and the steel weak mamoswine and alolan ninetales, all of which are weak to the top shit in OU. You either hit the moon with them, or crash and burn on the launchpad.
>>57246743>ban all the good pokemon from fanfic tier>SEE!? THAT MEANS THE TYPE ISN'T GOOD!!And this kids, is why smogshit is worthless for competitive discussion.
>>57246751Oh right youre someone i would pass on by as you peddle for fucking ALMSit doesnt help that, for scum like you who cant think outside of the 8 gyn structure, Ice types are by and large unavailable until either the lategame, or postgame, with SV as a technical exception because while yes, you could run to Glaceado Mountain before touching anything elsez you would be massively underleveled for such an occasion.
>>57246760Ice types are only available late game because they require actual skill to use, as evident from all the campaignshitters on /vp/ who get filtered by them.
the problem with the ice type is that it's an offensive type that game freak insists on continuing to make defensive mons for
>>57246776You using the Pokemon wrong doesn’t mean the Pokemon are defensive.
>>57246787that's right, it doesn'tit having stats like picrel does
>>57246631Snow was a nice start but I think we can do more.Drum roll please...Bring back Frostbite, so we can rework all these ice moves with a secondary effect to something with more chances of happening. Even more, during snow instead of doing 1/16 of damage like Burn, it deoas 1/8th.Type-chart wise, either change Ice resistence to iself to water, or add it outright.Everything that remains is for GF to make ice types that actually play to the strenghts of the type, or that have hyper min-maxes stats and an OP ability that make up for the lackluster defensive aspect of the type.
>>57246855That's a special sweeper
>>57246631Undoing Articuno's gen 2 nerfs would be a start.
>>57246640Smogon doesn't think ice is bad, otherwise they'd not ban all these mons.
>>57246631Stop playing fanfic formats
>>57246959>effectively destroy the difference between physical and special moves without giving special attackers anything to catch up withPlayers should not be trusted with game design
>>57246631>>57246640At this point it's clear this fag starts these threads himself so he can argue with his strawman OP statement. Mental illness.
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>>57248086>>effectively destroy the difference between physical and special moves without giving special attackers anything to catch up withthis is a good thing
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>>57248139>missed the 4chan x styling>took 6 minutes to replyYou lost.
>>57246640fpbp /thread
>>57248086Why yes, I want fluttermane to suffer
>>57246631>>57246640Dead Internet Theory
>>57248071hi verlis!
Water and Ice resistanceRemove its fire weakness Change Freeze to Frostbite and add it to more moves Change the stats of its Pokemon to use it more effectively Remove ice coverage from some Pokemon, especially water types
>>57249172>kill the entire identity of the type sp shitters like me can easily use it!no thanks
>>57249196That sounds awesome though?
Fanfic metas are better than the official metas
>>57246640I don't get this joke, is it because i'm not an ex-cop who used to be both an Omgon counciltroon AND a discordpedo?
>>57246631Why Snow Cloak doesn't freeze on contact?
>>57249801Because freeze is broken
>>57249806Freeze in modern day is unironically mid, even if it had reasonable chances.>Can be outright prevented if a weather condidtion is up, being arguably the best weather currently>User with pretty common moves like Flare Blitz and Scald can just thaw out>You can be hit by said moves too if you don’t have them to thaw out>Or any fire move>You can just thaw out turn 1 on your own anyways, something Sleep has the luxury of not having to worry aboutPeople think Freeze would be broken if you could inflict it with status move, but genuinely Paralysis and Sleep are more busted. Imagine using Earthquake and suddenly your opponent’s Pokemon is cured of their status condidtion or themselves using Earthquake.Frostbite would be a genuine buff.
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3 headed dragon always reminds me of spike dies
>>57249687vageta is the real clown
>>57246631>All Ice types get +6 boost to all stats including evasion apon switching in and is immune to shit like Haze>Ice is now immune to Normal, Fighting, Fire, Electric, Water, Grass, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Dark, Poison, Ground, Flying, Rock, and Steel>Ice now has a unique weakness where its weak to Bug but only when the Bug move being used has a base power of 20 or lower, otherwise its immune>Ice is now super duper effective (x4 for a single weak types, x8 for double weak types, and x16 for triple weak types) against Normal, Fighting, Fire, Electric, Water, Grass, Dragon, Fairy, Ghost, Dark, Poison, Ground, Flying, Rock, Steel, and Bug>Freeze is no longer curable, not even by Gen 1 standards, and has 90% chance to be influcted on all moves used by an Ice type>All Ice types learn Sketch 20 times as their only level up moves>If you have an Ice type on your team and your opponent does not, GameFreak will dropship a buff blackman that just got out of prison to your opponent’s house and pay him to skullfuck your opponent until they forfeit
>>57246631If water-types can all get Ice Beam, Ice-types should all get a powerful Water-type move. Probably not Surf, but something similar.
>j-just gut Ice Beam distribution!Actually good Pokemon don't care about coverage, just stacking as many sources of damage boost as possible to bypass the damage reduction of NVE entirely.Make an ice type on par with something like Dracovish or Miraidon, and you will have a truly good ice Pokemon.
>>57250903>Make an ice type on par with something like Dracovish or Miraidon, and you will have a truly good ice Pokemon.They've been working up to that, with G-Darm, Chien Pao, and giving Kyurem moves.
>>57250903Can you niggers suggest reasonable balance changes?Shocking, but making multiple Pokemon that can oneshot vast majority of things with ease is not good for PvP.\ in any game, much less games where dodging is literally RNG and sometimes not even possible.
>>57250372>freeze opponent>automatically win in the vast majority of cases>frostbite opponent>accomplishes fucking nothing>”I-IT WOULD BE LE BUFF!!”
