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Come here for talk about all things Pokémon Mystery Dungeon.

Previous thread: https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58184923/ >>58184923

(DOWN) PMD Catalog (read Branches.txt for MEGA navigation): https://mega.nz/folder/gi5k2DBL#wVscYMtiXMuAeWDvKYyfmw

(DOWN) Pokemon Mystery Dungeon ROMs and Emulators Catalog: https://mega.nz/folder/ciVjBRoD#5vICIpkn16o-i1co11yFFg

(DOWN) PMD Fangames Catalog: https://mega.nz/folder/Yyk3gQaI#NNSyFhuoa2Cg5HuL2oEyTg

Romhacks Overview/Reviews: https://rentry.org/pmdglph

PMD Fan Fiction Archive: https://rentry.org/pmdg-ffarchive

PMD Guides: https://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u
Explorers of Sky Romhacking Guide: https://rentry.org/skytempleguide

Everything about the Clover Guild: https://cloverguild.com/
Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/pUvgbKi6Sp
Mobile Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/OEMZktMHs0
Drawing Request: https://rentry.org/DrawReqPublic

Questions:
>What's your favorite moment in any PMD game?
>What's the least functional team you could use in one of the games?
>How many items do you take on a mission? Do you go in fully prepared or just wing it and use what you find on the way?


Recap of the previous thread:
>Petal-Purr released another chapter of their ongoing story (https://rentry.org/PetalpurrGuild3). P-anon published character blurbs for their team (https://rentry.org/punipawa-cg), and Sceptile-anon dropped another comic page (https://rentry.co/EmeraldSpark_01)
>Story reviews and related discussion
>Explorers playthrough posted and team building discussed
>Various pieces of art posted
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I’m sorry, I saw the thread on 10 and thought “nah someone always bumps it with art”
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>What's your favorite moment in any PMD game?

When i can make my weakmons start wiping entire rooms.

>What's the least functional team you could use in one of the games?
From the starters I do not think there really is a wrong choice. Everyone keeps saying Phanpy is a bad choice but despite that I did great with it.

>How many items do you take on a mission? Do you go in fully prepared or just wing it and use what you find on the way?

Last playthrough I learned you can actually come back from Temporal Tower so I was able to get items and prepare accordingly, I was there without items and thought I was softlocked for a couple years.
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>>58229181
If you see it on page 8 or 9, you can let it go
But if you catch it on page 10, always bump it
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Had a pretty good streak there, though. Can't complain that much. I wish we just had more conversation these days
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>>58229211
>that belt on leavanny's leg
Why is it there? It's not holding anything.
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>>58230086
she is a JRPG character
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>>58229163
>>What's your favorite moment in any PMD game?
winning with the small mons
>>What's the least functional team you could use in one of the games?
probably someone hacked being honest
>>How many items do you take on a mission? Do you go in fully prepared or just wing it and use what you find on the way?
i fully prep but most of the time i'm scrounging around for the few things that'll fit
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Which Pokémon has the best pussy?
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Mostly just venting, but hey maybe you can give me some insight:
> Le me
> Story sperg because mainline games always had the potential to be amazing stories but shat the bed every time.
> Always re-imagined the stories into one massive narrative with the only additions being 2 main characters, a rival, and a "smoking man"-esque "villain" to tie the narrative, even though he rarely shows up.
> Along comes Mystery Dungeon
> Wow! This shit is actually decent!!
> Still inject my characters because it's so easy to. Little tweaks here n' there, and slap-yer-ass, it's a mystery dungeon character!!
> Play through the games like this. Played through Sky as my sister's character; yes Sky has to come first to make the story work. Yes, I know that's incredibly stupid.
> Play through Blu Rescue as my character.
> Infinity is up next.
> Already did the twins' characters. I guess I do rival Callub now.
> Third one in the series. I'm sure I'll have plenty to pick from. This'll be easy.
> Unovaslop and pikafart. ZERO choice otherwise.
Closest I could narrow down to this character were oshawott, tepig, and Axew. WHY DID MY SELECTION JUMP FROM 20 UNIQUE POKEMON TO 4 UGLY STARTERS AND AN AXEW?!??
I know for a fact that the partner choice will be much easier, but this is bullshit. I paid $0 for this game and STILL feel cheated out of my money. AND THE GAME HASN'T EVEN STARTED YET. I KNOW IF I JUST HAD A GOOD CHARACTER CHOICE, I'D ENJOY THIS GAME. BUT CALLUB IS THE MOST EMOTIONALLY COMPLEX CHARACTER I'VE EVER WRITTEN, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IN GENERATION FIVE, WHEN THEY HAD LIKE 630 OR SO POKEMON TO CHOOSE FROM, I ONLY GET FIVE "POKEMON" TO CHOOSE FROM?? IS THIS SOME SICK JOKE?? IS THIS SOME SORT OF GAMEFREAK SABOTAGE AGAINST CHUNSOFT?? WHY NOT HAVE A PARTNER FOR EVERY TYPE? WHY IS THE GENERATION THAT INTRODUCED THE MOST POKEMON IN SERIES HISTORY THE SAME GENERATION THAT LETS ME PICK FROM A BIG BAG OF FUCKING NOTHING?? STOP GIVING ME REASONS TO NOT PLAY YOUR GAME.
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>>58230834
Level 5 abras. We've been over this before, Spencer. Now go back to bitching about destiny 2.
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Who's the best team and why is it Team Slacker?
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>>58230909
Please understand, the budget went into making all the 3D models
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>>58230909
Why the fuck do you play games like this? You're literally writing the story for them
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>>58230086
Such an innocent soul. Please don't look up anything designed by Tetsuya Nomura.
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>>58230909
Gates development was so fucked from start to finish. Personally hoping some autist puts together some modding tools to add other pokemon in the game. At least to expand the starter selection

Pikachu and Oshawott are the canon protagonists by the way
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>>58229163
>last thread got archived without even getting to bump limit
not even necrobump dungeon anymore oh no no no
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>>58231969
No secret the series is dead at this point. Thread is purely kept alive by Clover Guild. If they ever leave the site this thread will go with them
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What are anons thoughts on the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon - Explorers of Alpha romhack? I have aways wanted a tougher and more stratigic PMD more in line with traditional rougelikes. The changelog seems mostly sensible to me and I like that it does not include too many new Pokémon as I am kind of a gen oner (well 1-4 actually). I just hope there are no secret changes. I have encountered way too many mods and rom hacks where the creator secretly slips in something stupid like their OC donutsteel without announcing it. Apparently they did slip in some anticheat code features which is dumb but mostly does not affect me.
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>>58232501
they already did, it's entirely a trooncord thing now
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>>58233967
post the trooncord, I want a good laugh
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>>58234086
https://discord.com/invite/fur here you go.
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fuk y’all know about explorers of death?
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>>58234204
Remember reading it when I was younger. I don't actually remember what it was about. Bloody death gore hyperrealistic something I'm sure
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Who's ready for a new PMD to be announced friday?
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>>58234845
I'm ready for a new game to be announced in one week when Super turns 10.

This time for sure!
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>>58234864
Holy shit, I wish I didn't read this
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I want to make a ninja team with Froakie and Bulbasaur but then I remember Super's recruitment and fatigue system pissing me off making me not want to replay it.
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>>58235341
Might be better to see if someone's gotten the Froakie line in eos. I don't know if anyone would've scripted water shuriken, but it'd be cool if they did
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>>58235356
I'm not sure how hard adding custom moves into Sky is, but i'm willing to bet Froakie's line has sprites.
From there all you'd have to do is copy a vanilla water starters levelup gains and add in the learnable moves, making concessions where you have to for gen 5+ moves that aren't really worth adding in in the first place. Nobody's going to be missing Round.
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>>58232501
I love clover guild and you will never get rid of me. There is nothing quite like the freedom of an imageboard for posting art and writing.

Also for important discussions like
>pic related
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>>58235645
>covering the bulb
Bulbasaur attacks with that, and likely takes in energy from the sun that way, too.
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>>58232501
The entire PMD fandom is carried by nostalgic creatives. If you don't fall in love with the fiction the gameplay isn't good enough to raise this much obsession.
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>>58231491
Now I want to see what a PMD directed by Nomura would look like
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We're getting something tomorrow, r-right bros?
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>>58236325
EoS remake.
That's all you get.
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>>58236328
Well hey, that's something!
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>>58235676
So tell me why PMD Twitter is full of 13-15 year old children obsessed with a game that's older than them
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>>58236746
>tell me why twitter is full of groomed kids
do I really have to
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>>58234845
>>58236325
Why do you expect anything to happen tomorrow?
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>>58236853
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>>58236853
Because they're schizophrenic
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Why is gates so dogshit? I'm about to just move on to super and hope it isn't as bad.
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>>58237885
Gameplay is ass. Story is okay. Highly overrated. Worst one in the series

Gates is alright though
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>>58238208
The story is actually also ass
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>>58238212
No, the story is fine because it's literally just ripped off from Gates
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>>58229211
Phanpy is honestly pretty good.
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I didn't like how GTI and Super had final bosses that weren't Pokémon. Kyurem and Yveltal were right there
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>>58230909
>>58230909
It's not complicated, dude. GTI, gen 5 game that was probably put into development before the great backpedal that is was, was just following the same marching orders as Black and White 1 - i.e. "this is a soft reboot, so downplay the old Pokemon in favour of the new ones". This is easy to see in the game - your character choices aside from the obligatory franchise mascot are gen 5, two out of your three initial party members (and both of the ones that don't suck ass) you get are gen 5, most of the shopkeepers and townsfolk are gen 5. Like I said - same philosophy as black and white 1. It really is that simple.

As for why they didn't include more gen 5 options, why bother when most people are going to pick a starter anyway? Sure including a few more options (Sandile and Lillipup, maybe?) would be nice, but I'm sure the logic was that each new choice would probably impact less than 1% of the playerbase so there was no point.
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Turning people to stone is also something yveltal does. Somehow he is just dark matter's bitch though
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>>58238311
Not gonna turn this into a genwar, I swear. I just hate that this was unironically the agenda at the time. A general trend in late 2000s and early 2010s. To reinvent your series for modern times. I am glad that we've grown out of it, but remake culture is also cancer
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>>58238311
The funny thing is even with this mentality, at least a third of the roster isn't from Unova nor does the game even contain the entire Unovadex (missing many of them, actually, like Sawk and Throh, Reuniclus line, Vanilluxe line, Sawsbuck line, Eelektross line, Beheeyem line, Stunfisk, Heatmor, Durant, to name a few.
But I'm sure fucking glad we got all the eeveelutions, two of them even being prominent characters in the town. They sure got their priorities right.
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>>58238669
Abouta out myself as a zoomer here
Gates introduced me to Umbreon and is the reason I like it so much
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>>58239246
>The "Dies to Rock Smash" Team
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>>58239246
Why does alolan Meowth look like that? Like a child's drawing of what regular Meowth looks like
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>>58239582
regional forms are retarded
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA fuck right off nintendo
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Didn't watch it, but I already know it didn't happen
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danganronpa was the only worthwhile thing in the direct btw
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Honestly normies PMD fans will eat this up. It's talking pokemon without the gameplay to filter them. You know this is gonna do better than RTDX
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Hey, at l-least in the new game you get to play as a Pokémon, talk to other Pokémon, and build a society with them.
That's kinda like PMD r-right?
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>>58240023
They made a "DQ Builders but Pokemon" spin-off. They're looking for every possible excuse to not do anything PMD-related
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>>58240111
We wanted that base building in Gates to be expanded on?

We got it
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>No story with real characters to follow
>No actual gameplay
>Pure time wasting and chores
Yeah, this is what we deserve
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Should we be disappointed, though? The "best" thing that can happen to this series nowadays is an Explorers (Or Gates but way less likely) remake; otherwise, you just know that if they made a completely new PMD game, it would be mobile gachaslop.
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>>58240346
If they made a new PMD, it'd be MYSTERY DUNGEON. I don't think Chunsoft's interested in dirtying their series with the mobile market. Hence why we'll never get another game in this series
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>>58240119
warping reality so it fits your narrative is delusional schizo behavior
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>>58240491
There are a few Shiren games on mobile. They're ports of console games, but they did make a bunch of mobile exclusive games in the feature phone era too.
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>>58240123
Unironically the base building is the best part of that game. I started playing GTI recently and after constructing a cool creekside and a fertile forest on the same day, I actually find myself reluctant to dive into a dungeon again. Only being able to do one mission at a time is one of the most blatantly retarded decisions anybody ever took. It just makes the main gameplay feel tedious and could've been so easily fixed by having each job only drop one building material instead of three. Thank God SMD fixed this shit.
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page 10 bump
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>I reached Destiny Tower 98.
>I spawned in a room with the stairs and a sphere.
>Instead of bee lining towards the stair, I went for the sphere.
>I triggered a grudge trap.
>My run ended there.
Im so tired and depressed not even the consolation fap I do after a failed attempt works this time. I want to die.
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>>58242450
owned.
99F has no naturally spawning enemies just so you know
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>>58242053
Thread's killing itself after that announcement
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>>58242891
ain't our fault people make 30 threads for every individual reveal, no matter how small.
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If they did make a new PMD and there were non-standard starters (like Cubone and Skitty for example), which mons from recent gens would make for good candidates?
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>>58243209
whatever sells the most merch
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>>58240346
>>58240491
Honestly it's because of the Chunsoft merge with spike in 2012. You can tell that's when the major changes to mystery dungeon occur. DX did well but it seems like spike thought it wasn't enough so they shut down any chance of a new mystery dungeon game dropping so we only have fan games to by from now on.
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>>58243397
And is cheapest to produce
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>>58243500
>DX did well but it seems like spike thought it wasn't enough so they shut down any chance of a new mystery dungeon game dropping
PMD games always mogged the original Shiren MD games in sales yet they dropped one last year. Spike just needs the green light from TPC/Nintendo to make more PMD games.
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>>58243397
>>58243504
Boring-ass but correct answers
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>>58243397
For what I'd want to see, I think Nymble could be a good choice. Reasonably expressive face, fairly standard body type, cool evolution. Impadimp's also in play.
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>>58243898
If the imp’s included, the hats should be included too
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>>58243948
That's another good one. It feels like they tend towards more humanoid designs or pet-like animals, so something like Fidough or one of the regional Meowths seem likely, though I wouldn't care for them personally.
I remember someone suggesting Cetoddle ages ago, that one could work. Doesn't get complicated until after it evolves.
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>>58243886
Look at what's going on with out side of mystery dungeon thread in /vp. The fandom never wins because it won't satisfy anyone while the devs still try to put cheap mass produced content that sells and people go crazy for content about Megas
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love me some sped zero and love me seven shitphonies, got this fan art here, hope the creators keep up the great writing, really high caliber stuff
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A big factor in the lack of mystery dungeon games is that Spike Chunsoft doesn't need the money as much as they used to. They make a lot of money from just translating western games to Japanese
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>>58244740
I know this is off topic but I just realized how broken cranidos would have been as a playable character in MD series. Mold breaker and that attack state is nuts.
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>>58245386
>that attack state is nuts.
they fucked it up in Sky. Its level 1 stats have a heavy emphasis on SPECIAL attack over Attack. Rampardos especially has something like 3 attack/27 special attack
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>>58244740
>pic rel is a real hack screenshot btw.
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>>58243209
Rockruff was almost perfectly designed to be a great PMD starter
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>>58245427
Why did they change it since it wasn't an issue in Time/Darkness?
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Sorry for being away for a bit, will continue this properly now :)
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>>58244740
What's the deal with the Rampardos? I didn't play the hack
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>>58246277
tl;dr creepypasta tier trash
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>want game where a human turns into a pokemon
>get game where a pokemon turns into a human
It's kind of funny.
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Today is the anniversary of Explorers, why is nobody at all talking about this
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>>58246243
Welcome back Mandi. I liked your team a lot
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>>58246277
Possibly one of the worst hacks to come out of skemple, but in the so bad it's good way. Like I found it extremely funny and memorable for all the wrong reasons

Captcha:4HD0GS
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>>58247071
Happy anniversary, I guess, but other than that, what do you want us to say about it? 18 years isn't even a note-worthy milestone (though I can guess PMD2 is finally an adult), and needless to say, both Spike Chunsoft and TPC don't give a shit about it. We'll see in two years when PMD2 can legally drink and smoke.
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>>58246243
Hell yeah
I think they should be allowed to get him
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>>58246277
The dev's super strong super evil original character that kills everyone and turned Duskinor evil in special episode 0. They were so proud of Rampardos he reappears in seven symphonies as the champion of Giratina or some shit
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>>58247320
>We'll see in two years when PMD2 can legally drink and smoke

>2 years later
>Explorers becomes the childhood friend who grows up into an alcoholic crackhead
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Finally finished reading the federation arc today after taking a very long break. Fuck Alakazam lmao
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>>58245789
little guy is about to get fucking vored?
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>>58245789
This got me interested. Is this romhack cringekino, or just plain cringe?
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>>58248716
it's pretty cringe imo, I wouldn't recommend it. However, if you want to get to that point you'll need to play like 20hrs.
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>>58246243
KILL HIM
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so why don't we see other humans in the PMD series? and not humans-turned-pokemon, but other humans, period? it can't be that they're only from the future, the partner seemingly knows about humans, and after all pmd's protagonist was a human working alongside grovyle at some point, so clearly they coexist in the universe. are humans and pokemon able to understand eachother in pmd 'verse though?
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>>58249128
it is implied that they existed 1000 years before PSMD takes place, meaning they all went extinct or something along those lines.
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>>58245789
Back when Explorers of the Spirit came out I was surprised at how despite its major flaws the hack didn't try to be overly edgy like mainline Pokémon hacks, and it gave me some hope that the PMD hacking scene would take a different path.
I was a fool.
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>>58249148
Don't know where you got that exact figure, but yeah humans existed at some point in PMD's history. Super makes the timeline really fucking weird, but this can make sense.

Ninetales legend is just an ancient story from when humans still existed
A human was brought into the dark future because of weird time travel bullshit (there are worse explanations)
Gates just opens up with the partner saying humans are like myths and legends (and the player character is from our world, not the pmd world)
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>>58229163
>What's your favorite moment in any PMD game?
The ending to Sky is a classic. Special Episode 2 has a good ending too. Sad, but good
>What's the least functional team you could use in one of the games?
I'm not sure what Pokemon are considered the strongest or weakest, so I dunno what would be the worst way to build a team. I've heard that Eevee and Phanpy are weak picks for starters, though.
>How many items do you take on a mission? Do you go in fully prepared or just wing it and use what you find on the way?
I always bring a set of items, usually including Reviver Seeds, Oran Berries, Pecha Berry/Heal Seeds, Escape Orb, a paralyzing/sleeping orb for Monster Houses, and apples. I leave plenty of room for gathering items, though.

>>58243209
Cutiefly/Ribombee
I'm totally not biased

>>58246243
Welcome back
Looking forward to more
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>>58249595
Spirit came off less as edgy and more "what the player actually wanted to do in this situation instead of what the characters actually did" without going overboard (as in, it still felt like something you could see in a PMD game). Shame the hack takes a quality nosedive after meeting Shaymin but we can't all be winners.
People are quick to blame this hack for being a trendsetter when it's more the fault of the lazy, uninspired copycats.
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Waiting for Skytemple to produce a good full length hack
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>>58250747
Be the change you want to see
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>>58250349
I don't even think people are intentionally copying Spirit. It's just way easier to tweak the original cutscenes then make something new, so lazy hacks all end up doing the same thing and rehashing Explorers for the hundredth time
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guildmembers for each of these feels?
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>>58249595
Pokemon just attracts this type of person. The kind of immature adult who never grows out of their edgy kid phase.
Kinda like us but at least we're self-aware about it enough to not look retarded.
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>>58248788
>20hrs
The fuck? But that's more or less the playtime of the main story in PMD2... are you sure it's that long?
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Give me ideas for a story for a new Mystery Dungeon
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>>58251408
A story where the goal is simple, explore a new land. There could be an antagonist but that'd be second. The main goal is simply exploring uncharted lands and establishing home bases.
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>>58251408
i don't really have ideas for a plot but a game where the red herring antagonists are the loyal three led by ogerpon could be cool
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>>58238272
I like how Rescue Team handled it the most. There's no major villain, it's just a matter of convincing Rayquaza to get off his lazy ass and stop a giant meteor. A force of nature that isn't a Pokemon, but at the same time is a logical experience as opposed to Bittercold and Dark Matter which are just forces of evil that do bad shit because plot.

>>58251429
Eehhhh they've been doing bait and switch antagonists since Explorers. I honestly would like something a bit more straightforward, personally.
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>>58238272
Dunno, I think that was a neat idea that maybe wasn't executed so well. GtI and PSMD plots should have been switched around one way or another; it made sense for Dark Matter to be the embodiment of negativity, but the Bittercold (which ironically came first) is the same thing and also an eldritch ice entity at the same time...? Why? They should either have kept the whole "negativity is growing in the Pokémon world" plot point in GtI but made Dark Matter the antagonist, or removed that plot point and simply made GtI all about how an eldritch ice entity is out for the Pokémon world.
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>>58248630
underrated paperKINO artwork that went under the radar in favor of clover circlejerking, no wonder these threads are dead...
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i want picrel to be a game
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>>58251394
Currently there are two acts (50 Floors). I think it took me around 30ish hrs to get through it all. It gets very repetitive very quick.
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>>58252513
What does this choice mean
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>>58252513
Oh wait a second, you're talking about Seven Symphonies, aren't you? I was asking about Special Episode 0 lol
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>>58234864
10 years...
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>>58252520
Have the shitter join your team or sacrifice their soul to gain a level or two.

>>58252535
Sped0 is extreme ass. It isn't as long as 7S, yet it still took me 12-16hrs to beat. Only two moments I'd call cringekino, but don't think playing the hack to see those moments is worth it. I remember a moment where there was a 90min stretch of uninterrupted cutscenes, yapping about endless bullshit. It's not even an isolated issue because many cutscenes exceed 30min in length.
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>>58252676
>I remember a moment where there was a 90min stretch of uninterrupted cutscenes, yapping about endless bullshit. It's not even an isolated issue because many cutscenes exceed 30min in length.
Why do they not just write a story at that point god damn.
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>>58252225
>went under the radar in favor of clover circlejerking
What circlejerking? This thread is surprisingly low on it (which is very welcome) and after the drawing was posted there were only two posts related to clover with the rest being mostly hack discussion.
And besides, that is a clover guild drawing so if anything caused it to go unnoticed it would ironically be lack of clover circlejerking.

>>58252455
A PMD about outlaw life could certainly be interesting, but I know that in an official game the theme would be super sugar-covered to be kid-friendly, while a romhack would go the complete opposite direction and be MAXIMUM EDGE.

>>58252691
>Why do they not just write a story
Because they wouldn't get the same Skytemple circlejerk attention with a story.
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>>58248630
Based, glad you liked them.
Kino art by the way, I can't wait to see more from you.
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>>58251065
I don't want to be Skytemple. I've no interest in cutting my dick off
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>>58251421
A game that's... actually about exploring? Seriously, why wasn't this the plot of Explorers? Pisses me off
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>>58252455
>>58252733
An outlaw story like this needs to be balanced. You're obviously playing as villains, but you don't have to monsters. Personally I'd prefer a more campy story involving a PMD gang. Rob kecleons, steal treasures from a guild, get into random fights with strangers. It could be fun as long as the characters didn't take themselves too seriously
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>>58252802
>rape and pillage the entire town then leave
Got it. Now the real question, do we use the stereotypical dark types for our murder hobo party or do we go for a twist and use fairies?
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>>58252822
Use chillers, diggers, and wingers.
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>>58252825
>Mr. Rime as the brains of the crew
>Toedscruel for the stupid token retard that does whatever he's told
>Gal Moltres for the obligatory legendary and the excessive edge
>bonus points for having KANTO mons but its completely excused because they are regional variants
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>>58252802
You could make the bandits be good Robin Hood-type characters who only steal from corrupt Pokemon and give their loot to the needy
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>>58253211
>Robin Hood-type
I was thinking more of a team doing crimes for their own enjoyment and the thrill of it, without trying to come up with moral justification for themselves. But also without causing deaths or serious injuries unless necessary.
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>>58253573
That's viable, but if we're talking about a kid-friendly game like the other guy mentioned, I feel like they'd have to make the bandits be the good guys somehow
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>>58253211
And that's probably what would happen if this idea was put into an official game. "Le evil greedy pokemon" villain archetype.

I wanna play a villain. Not one that takes himself too seriously. Not one who's extremely evil. Just a legit outlaw who does crime and shit.
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>>58253211
>>58253573
Robin Hood PMD sounds so fucking based. Sort of like the fugitive arc, but a whole game
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>>58254529
The way you pitch that actually sounds horrible. Don't get me wrong, I like the fugitive arc. I would not want an entire game built around it.

>No town square
>No team base
>Few NPC interactions
>Majority of NPCs will not be seen again

And really, what made the fugitive arc so good was the context around it. That you were innocent, and forced to ignore your job as a rescue team for your own survival. You lost all your friends in Pokemon Square (Assuming you cared about them of course. I kept up with their interactions, so I was a little fond of them.)

Even when you're welcomed back, there's just something different about your presence. The town knows what you are, and you know that the people would be willing to kill you if it meant saving themselves.


tl;dr You would need to completely restructure this until it doesn't resemble the fugitive arc at all
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On the subject of outlaw stories, one of the hacks in this year's jam (Cutting Ties) is about a big family of 12 outlaw brothers.
Too bad it is also one of the worst hacks in the jam.
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>>58254750
What if there was like, some sort of thieve's guild that functioned as the base? If your team is on the run, there could be multiple branches and possibly towns that aren't aware of your wanted status.
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>>58229163
they doing the onions faces?
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>>58255487
>thieves' guild
then it's just normal rescue team/explorers shittery but with pokemon that steal things
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>>58255924
You'll probably never be satisfied with whatever they do
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>>58255924
How about about laying low?
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>>58255487
This could probably work better. Would give you more opportunities to interact with characters. This could almost resemble Super with its travel system honestly
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>>58255938
if they weren't talentless hacks they could think of something interesting
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Only way I see an outlaw PMD working is if it just goes full roguelike with almost zero story. Something akin to emerald rogue.
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>new expressive models
N-New pmd?
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>>58256872
What are you talking about?
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>>58257227
Let him cope
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>>58251151
please don't bring HS into the thread, it makes my autism flare up and I don't want to spend time thinking about classpects for random guild members
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>>58257954
I already know what my character's is.
Page of Time: comically useless person in a cosmically important position; almost certainly going to fuck up everything for everyone.
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>>58257227
I think he's referring to how the Pokémon models in Pokopia seem to have a wider range of facial expressions.
But yeah, coping.
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>>58258026
Gotta be Gus or Ross
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>>58251151
What am I looking at?
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>>58258366
I agree that they’re useless, but why do you think they’re in cosmically important positions?
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im never finishing this
https://rentry.org/rainsf1
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>>58259018
you don't have a choice
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Do you trust the Archen?
>>58247162
Thanks :D I did try my best to make them a unique pair.
>>58248100
Not a fan of Archen I see...
>>58248894
But what'd she do to deserve it? :(
>>58250301
Glad to be back!
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>>58259018
die d
Wonderful writing though
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>>58258387
Half of a power system from a comic that went to shit halfway through
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>>58259585
that sheep has snake/cat ambush predator eyes instead of horizontal land dwelling grazer eyes. he is the true threat on that team.
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>>58258509
If gus gets a partner all the humans wake up on earth
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>>58260636
Obviously, have you seen how early Mareeps get Discharge?
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>>58260863
Hopefully one of suicide plans works before that happens
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>>58260863
I can’t believe someone had Cider assassinated to keep all the humans from going home.
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>>58261448
No, we had Cider assassinated because he wouldn't shut up about Wigglytuff.
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>>58260863
either cynda gets laid or gus gets a partner will result in biblical rapture ending
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We have 3 characters, 3 jokes, and 3 anon members. Nobody or nothing else matters.
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>>58262482
Wanna make out.
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What if the Clover guild was emo?
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>>58262482
we need to double those numbers
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>>58262577
they would be fake emos who only listen to underoath instead of american football
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>>58234864
It is September 17 in Japan now, meaning it is officially Super Mystery Dungeon's 10th anniversary!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXQaBJT1-YQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRhCWZZFRVA
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>>58263509
>i've been sitting in pmd threads for longer than some /vp/ posters have been alive
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>>58263538
Unc
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Should I keep playing with my Lucario/Snorlax/Muk team?

I'm considering starting over in Sky with Bulbasaur/Pikachu. Wooper might be the third member.
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>>58263717
You're a free agent, do as you please
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Reminder that Cider and Gus are endgame.
>But
They are endgame.
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>>58263807
Reminder that they've never interacted with each other and shoving them together is an arbitrary forced joke
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Decide my fate, which one
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>>58263838
yellow
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>>58263838
Chrono Trigger
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>>58263925
This
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>>58263838
Mega Man 10, naturally
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>>58229163
>no new PMD for Switch 2 announced
Not that I’m surprised, that console has like 3 total games
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>>58264820
>beedrills and combees working together
Why does this feel wrong to me?
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>>58265865
Because despite its name, Beedrill is more like a wasp or a hornet and those are known to regularly genocide honeybees in real life?
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>>58229163
cardboard pmd when
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>>58265453
More than the PS5 has over 6 years
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today is the 10th anniversary of PSMD
say something nice about it
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>>58265979
I want to sex the fox
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>>58265979
Never got around to playing it, so I guess that means it didn't disappoint me yet.
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>>58265979
I've got nothing nice to say about it. Fuck this game, terrible note to end the series with
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>>58265979
Chespin is my ride or die
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>>58233109
started playing it because you brought it up and it seems fun so far
chose a ditto as my character and an eevee as my partner, since playing as ditto sounded really fun. unfortunately, ditto transforms into a random pokemon in the floor EXCEPT when its a boss, so you have to fight the boss with a ditto that only knows the move pound
there have been a lot of small changes but nothing that seemed too bad (but apparently neither me or my partner could use reviver seeds because we lacked the IQ for it, so that sucked), but you really should read the list of changes since theres stuff like removed and reworked abilities, and some pokemon got their typing changed (this can be disabled)
ditto hits like a wet noodle, but eevee hit like a truck with flail and anticipation (it boosts move power when attacking a pokemon who has super effective moves), so if youre planning to play with your favorite mons then maybe dont choose the highest difficulty

tl;dr: its fun and has minimal tweaks, but read the changelog before playing
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Anyone got dungeonitis
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>>58265979
The final boss and partner themes were pretty good
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I finally, FINALLY beat Destiny Tower. God, I feel mentally, emotionally and physically drained.
It was THE God Run, even better than the one I fumbled at floor 98, barely any monster houses, a good supply of elixirs and apples, 5 joy seeds, a good set of spheres, barely any problematic pokemon, no politoeds and no kanghaskans and no monster house steal at floor 99.
Shof-ucking-outs to my boy, my man, Pass Scarf, that thing, right there, is the reason this run was possible, I had plenty of good runs die randomly because of random bullshit, but Pass Scarf made sure that didnt happen, if no one got my back, I know Pass Scarf does, the true MVP of this miserable experience, Smoochum wasnt a free win at all, I dont know who the hell said that here, she just makes the things actually DOABLE and BARELY tolerable, Jesus Christ man.
After this shitshow I spit of ZiS, I dont know what the hell will happen to me in that dungeon, but after this? I hold neither fear or respect for it, Im sure it will be far less awful than Destiny Tower, and after thats done too, I will use the Space Globe to curbstomp everything into submission and get every legendary, and after that I will make Darkrai my bitch and finish this damn game. And I will never touch it ever again.
I will now proceed to touch myself to some Lana smut and go cry until I sleep. Fuck Destiny Tower.
/blog
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Happy 10th anniversary, Super. It was my first PMD game, so I've got a soft spot for it. I played it about 9 years ago, and I've been a fan of the series ever since.
On account of the anniversary, I decided to start replaying Super today. The quiz gave me Turtwig as the hero and Squirtle as the partner. Although having two turtles on the team would've been pretty funny, I already had Squirtle as my partner in RTDX, so I considered other options and eventually decided to choose Froakie instead. She bounces whenever she moves, which is kind of annoying, but very appropriate for the partner's hyper personality.
I'm excited to revisit this game after a decade, and I'll be posting updates here and there.
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>>58267237
Smoochum ain't even the best pick. It's a very good one, probably top 5, but Drifblim is the best in the game. It's better at dodgetanking overall. Smoochum can get a 60% dodge chance between Forewarn and the Detect Band giving 30% evade each, but 10 Minimizes gets Drifblim to over 90% evade.
Regardless, a successful DT run is definitely an accomplishment. Good on you for pulling it off.
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>>58265979
Serene village is one of the nicest locations in PMD. So cozy. Wish the whole game was just being a little hometown hero instead of getting crammed into the expedition society halfway through
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>>58267576
Eh, if they did that it would probably be my least favourite game in the series for sure. I hated that you got treated as a tiny child for the entirety of Serene Village, at least the Expedition Society actually gave you some respect.
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>>58267750
>actually gave you some respect.
After having the partner cry and baw and whine about everything until they reluctantly accept you.
I think the story and its characters would have significantly improved if they stood by their initial rejection and you decide to make your own society back home with the rest of the kids. That way you actually EARN your respect as an explorer rather than just be handed the title because the Expedition Society's leader felt sorry for you. Not to mention the first third of the game feels like a complete waste of time because basically nobody from Serene Village (aside from Espurr) are ever relevant again. All replaced by what? A bunch of nobodies that somehow, miraculously, have less personality than Wigglytuff's guild.
Super's plot is so empty and mishandled I honestly find it baffling that anyone can consider it their favorite. Even Gates had more respect for its own setting.
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>>58267816
>After having the partner cry and baw and whine about everything until they reluctantly accept you.
What do you have to gain by overly exaggerating things like this? You meet Ampharos at Serene Village, who pretty much recruits you on the spot after you bring back his orb and recognizes the partner's dreams and determination (under the guise of only making you "junior members"), you reach the Expedition Society later, then the members tell you they unfortunately can't accept kids, your partner insists (3 or 4 lines of dialogue consisting of "please, we'll work hard!" is crying and bawing and whining, apparently), Ampharos arrives, the members learn about how he recruited you without consulting them, scold him for a second and then just happily accept you as new members.

We know PSMD already has its problems, you don't need to make shit up on top of that because you didn't like the game.
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PSMD just ruins the fantasy honestly. Guilds should be completely fine with taking on preteens, they don’t exactly have many options.
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I think the expedition society in general just annoys me. All felt like an attempt at recreating wigglytuff guild, but without the understanding of what made it good.

Their leaders are a shining example of this issue of oversimplification. Wigglytuff became a fan favorite because his childlike nature and secret awareness of the world around him made him a pretty interesting and mysterious character at times. There was a sense that there was always something more to him, and it often got me wondering how he found himself as a guild master

On the other hand, Ampharos is flat as cardboard. What you see is what you get. He's a bumbling idiot who doesn't even know where he's walking most of the time. He tries to act mysterious at times, but it really just makes him more confusing than anything. Like when the partner asks if he's a member of the expedition society, he says no. Why? Because the game wanted the twist of you getting there and finding out that he's their leader.

Really just shows the core issue of writing in Super. Tried too hard to recreate Explorers. They had something with Serene Village and they should've stuck with it
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>>58263838
the stinkers
the first thing I do with any pmd is make ocs out of the player and partner. Though these wii games don’t follow the traditional player and partner combo the other games do, I’ll have to make up the lore in my head.

Also 6 floors for the first dungeon is crazy. I got my ass kicked twice. What is this game’s difficulty deal?
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>>58268784
There's a reason people don't talk about Adventure Squad. Just wait until you see how cumbersome it is to switch teams between the three games
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I'm genuinely surprised that furries haven't funded an actually good PMD porn game. Like CoC or something. I know nothing about game development, but couldn't you just dumb down the combat system from any of the PMD games, and then commission a bunch of art and writing for different win/loss "scenes"? How hard can it be?
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>>58269420
There are a good few dozen artists that got hit with C&D's from pokemon/nintendo, no one is going to try and make a large scale game for free just to get it nuked.
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>>58269420
While it would be easy if the game was entirely text based, nobody can afford to pay an artist to draw a bunch of the same sex scenes over and over again but with different MC and Partner Pokemon, not to mention all of the wild Pokemon that are going to fuck/be fucked by the MC. Even suspiciously wealthy furries would have their wallets hurt by this.
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>>58269457
If I had a quarter for every furry artist that was doing Pokemon Porn comics/media that had to change their art to OCs/fakemon because of Nintendo being litigious as hell, I'd have several dollars. It's not a good forecast for Pokemon fanart/fangames in general, thoughbeit.
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What is it with this series that brings out these thoughts in you people? Seriously, it's like you're disappointed that furries haven't completely desecrated your favorite game from your childhood
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>>58269867
Would it surprise you I'm also a Clover member and that the calls are coming from inside the house.
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>>58269867
Furries should be banned from PMD
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based /pmdg/ still being alive. I've been considering replaying Sky. My interest in Pokemon has gone up again.
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>>58270020
Why would you ban PMD from itself? Are you retarded or something?
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>>58270020
>pmd community commits suicide overnight
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Hi, I died again and forgot to post this. I was in the middle of editing it beforehand but this may never see the light of day if I keep editing it, so I'm posting it now and will try to revisit it later.
https://rentry.org/CiderPrelude001
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>>58270044
>>58270047
Lot's of people are afraid of PMD because of furries
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>>58270218
Damn, son. Guess they can go play the other mystery dungeon games.
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>>58270262
Some of them have
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>>58270213
It's nice to see another story from you, Anon. The art and mouseover text are pure sovl, and Cider's reactions to the guild are always funny. Also, I think the team Moonshine section has the wrong image embedded
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>>58269867
>Seriously, it's like you're disappointed that furries haven't completely desecrated your favorite game from your childhood
Well the furries desecrated me when a classmate (he was a furry) showed me Pokemon smut when I was 10, and I didn't stand a chance. Later that year, Explorers of Sky released and accelerated me down the rabbit hole he was trying to take me down. Fast forward 15 years, that "desecration" you speak of has completely warped my view of the franchise.
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>Help, there are furries in my Pokemon Furry Isekai fandom!
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>>58271028
That's wonderful anon. Keep it in your therapy sessions
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>>58271656
Therapy is a scam when anonymous imageboards exist.
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>
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4chan wouldn't exist if people here actually took their meds.

Think about it.
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>>58271706
>I know, I'll call him a nerd!
Where do you think we are? The average person on this board probably looks like your image. Cornball.
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Is there a max play time for red rescue team on the gba?

I thought it would be 999 but apparently not.
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>>58229163
>never find JRPG's fun
>always get bored of them before ever finishing
>just can't never get into the gameplay
>the mainline pokemon games are like this too
>play Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
>love every second of ever game in the series
>it always ends leaving me wanting more and just wanting to replay them again

I'll never understand it. Feels like I shouldn't like these games considering I dislike almost every other kind of rpg, but there's just something about them I can't put my finger on.
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>>58267238
Super had some rough edges. I really wish the school characters would have been the main cast throughout the game instead of switching to the Amphiros crew about midway through. Though likable, they were still a lot less likable than the initial cast. Also, if you are coming off the classics and think you can take the game at your own pace Super punished you extra hard and railroads you right to the end, so if you're underdeveled and underprepared for the final boss you can very realistically find yourself in a no win scenario forcing a restart of the entire game which is an odd issue to have for a game in 2015. There also weren't any oddball choices for your main Pokémon which was disappointing.

The gameplay was great though, better than it has ever been, but man do I wish more people warned me about the railroading. I legit almost lost my save and it came down to my last revive seed and attack after several restarts and unskippable cutscenes.
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>>58272751
>if you're underdeveled and underprepared for the final boss you can very realistically find yourself in a no win scenario forcing a restart of the entire game
No, you can go to Pelipper Island whenever and grind to your heart's content. It's really not explained to you at all, though, I completely missed it until after I beat the game, so I'm not surprised people don't know about it.
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>>58272761
.... you're absolutely kidding me. I thought that mechanic was only for saving other people via wifi... the way the game forced me through it had me disliking it so much that it became my worst in the series, but in reality there was a hidden mechanic that would have given me that downtime to do quests that I was missing... I may start a new playthrough. Story still isn't my favorite, but I want to experience the game not feeling horribly underleveled the entire time
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>>58271747
Listen poindexter, nobody's matching your power level. I'm just pointing it out
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i think i'll do the same challenge this october i did last october, spooky season is my favorite season of the year.

here is a full character display of Mama Lax's crew for testing new shading and learning techniques
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>>58272063
Quite autistic, anon, and very impressive. I don't know the answer myself, but it might cap out at whatever the integer limit is based on recorded seconds if I had to randomly guess. Not familiar with Gameboy hardware or software, just parroting that funny little phrase from all the YouTubers
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https://rentry.org/GreatBulkBeginnersLuck

After what feels like a lifetime of slacking, the next story is out. I'm going to try not to be as lazy, and I have a definitive checklist to go through now before I can work on my next big project.
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Archives updated.
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>>58270213
I will use this react often, thank you anon
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>>58274355
Why was Kyurem so brutal in Gates?
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>>58229163
There's a OC general for the Montsers themselves (PMD or otherwise) here: >>58266804
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Pokemon Mystery Darkest Dungeon when
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>>58276132
I recognize some of those characters from the pmd porn threads on /trash/
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>>58276321
It been advertised there as well.
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>>58276321
Oh, that must be the other thread they were talking about.
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>>58276321
>pmd porn threads on /trash/
>there are two completely separate PMD RP generals on 4chan
what the fuck
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>>58276132
>ai sloppa faggotry
gosh damn io will never put a foot there ever again
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>>58276539
what’s the second one?
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>>58270213
>>58273529
Glad to see you two again. Always enjoy your stories.
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>>58276159
Memes aside this could be cool. Only issue is how disposable characters in Darkest Dungeon can be. That's a pretty important part of the game, and I'm not sure how you would adapt that to PMD
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>>58277426
either make it less unforgiving by them getting defeated/knocked out and having to go to a place to heal them (they are rare and/or can only heal a single party member) or have them be crippled in some way so they cant fight (not dead but gives a reason why they cant go back to the dungeon)
>why would you continue exploring when your partner is disabled?
you are a guild master not an explorer and you just get newer recruits to explore the dungeon
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>>58265979
Maybe we'll get new PMD when Super turns 15!
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>>58278210
surely...
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>>58278210
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Adventure Team DX
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>>58277527
If you're gonna keep the basic gameplay of DD while tamping down on the horror and despair, I'd suggest each explorer having their own story you can discover over time, with less shitty versions of both the Shieldbreaker mechanic and DD2's Shrines of Reflection mechanic. Maybe sprinkle a bit of Mass Effect character interaction in there too.

Three-stage evolutionary lines are easy to map to the existing apprentice, veteran, and champion difficulty levels present in DD1, and I do like the idea of mapping Pokemon capabilities into the Darkest Dungeon battle style - could make moves and thus Pokemon battles much more diverse and interesting - but what would you do about one and two-stage lines in that case?
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Congratulations on completing drawingboard number 56 !! Wonderful drawings, this one has sick hero vibes on lots of them.

Shout out to sencha anon coming back with wonderful drawings and a lovely tierlist.

and here we are onto our next drawingboard!! A come back to 2023... A black drawingboard for halloween!

join in!

link: https://magma.com/d/QXpvRDOBmc

for mobile users: https://magma.com/d/jyLG2Obax2
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>>58279621
that Y-chu gives me life
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Weird how Victini is just casually hanging out in town. He didn't even have any special dialogue. I wanted to hear him scream V-WHEEEEEEL again...
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>>58279621
>it's all the same 5 or so pokemon
why didn't you draw my oc fuck you fuck you fuck you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>58281274
FAGTINI!
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>>58281451
your oc a shit
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>>58281451
There's like 18 OCs on that board
This bait sucks
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>>58281451
I carry the burden of drawing my own OCs forever or my demons will consume me.

Also your OC a shit.
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>>58281452
Don't be mean to him
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>>58281709
It is like calling your best friend a faggot, anon
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>>58279621
>New drawboard is black
I pissed myself in fear
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>>58281786
It's mean, even if it's true
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>>58281451
unironically make more stuff about your OCs and post them and I will draw them.
If you can't get excited about your own work, why would you expect anyone else to?
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>>58282743
Brother, it is bait. Don't feed it just to keep the thread alive
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>>58282677
>>>/r/eddit
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>be told Shiren games suck compared to PMD
>Advised to stay away from then
>on a whim decide to play Shiren 5
>it's super fun and difficult
>mechanics later introduced in SMD and were praised have been a part of Shiren for years
>tons of depth
>lots of consequences to death with things that make you avoid a forced reset
>super likable characters Okon is mai waifu already
>ost is really good
>sprite art is wonderful
>different sprites for the various weapons and shields have you looking forward to finding new ones and not minding death/loss so much.

Y... you guys lied to me :c

About my only gripe is that the main hook for the story isn't the best.

>>58281274
I'm still upset that Umbreon and Espeon were teased to have some big moment in an official trailer, only for you to find them "playing" together, getting embarrassed, and that was that. I honestly preferred Gates Story to Super... course, nothing comes close to Sky's story and characters.
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>>58283373
We never told you that, anon. We just said we prefer to play as cartoon animals. That didn't mean the game was bad
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>>58283373
What trailer was that?
I don’t remember them being teased to have a big moment in the game
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>>58283376
it's mostly a joke. Had two anons say it was a bad series and not good at all compared to PMD, one anon loved the games though. Just hadn't gotten around to playing them till now and am very pleasantly surprised.

I know it's asinine to say it, but something about Shiren really reminds me of the first time I played Dark Souls and its oddly immersive and engaging.
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>>58283436
It was just two pokemon questioning them about the status of their relationship in which they get super bashful and Umbreon yells something like "i-IF YOU WANT THE ANSWERS YOU'LL HAVE TO PLAY SMD!!".

The trailers for SMD were soulful.
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>>58283941
me and the copper wire thieves
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>>58283439
They, they were so full of shit. Had the worst promotional material out of the series. Rescue Team and Explorers had whole anime specials, and Gates had some animated trailers. In-engine cutscenes with the game's mediocre cast of characters do not compare
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