Woke up late editionA general for discussing the first 8 generations of Pokémon animation, including Pokémon the Series, the films and all of the various miniseries, specials, OVAs etc.>Pokémon TV on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialPokémonTVPrevious thread: >>58280454
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>>58290330>I'm not sure if there's anyone autistic enough to go back through all of SOS and re-edit their translation afresh to make it actually correct. So it's probably best for people to just make it better known around the fandom that the SOS subs are as shit as they are.There's plenty of autism floating around but I don't know if anyone is THAT autistic. Honestly, looking at that volume of work, you're probably better off just starting afresh from scratch. Even putting the tranny mental illness aside, the translation work in and of itself is not of very high quality. They were translated singlehandedly by one person, the person theorising about pokémon having gay sex and sodomising each other in pic related, and as other anons have pointed out their grasp on the Japanese language is middling at best.I think you're right, the best thing people can do is just state the truth: that the Sea of Serenity subs are total shit and should be avoided.
>>58290380>It doesn't help when the comments are just fawning over the release anyway.>https://nyaa.si/view/1820962>Thank you so much for your subs tranny-san
>>58290429>OK! WTF is wrong with people posting nasty comments without one single "thank you"?Anons, have you thanked the SOSsubs trannysquad for their hard work on the Pokémon anime yet?
>"Get rid of foreigners to make Kanto great again? That sounds like a great idea!"
>>58290429>FYI, there's something called "translator's notes" on PDF.>It's called "translation choices". It isn't incorrect just because someone didn't like it.>It's a choice! How about reading their notes first?I have terminal tranny fatigue
>>58291943>>welcome to create your own version>Is it time?It's time.
>>58290999>I genuinely hate the arrogance involved in coming up with their own romanizations for the Japanese names over the official ones, and also that their chosen spellings are so ugly all across the board. They do shit like translating Porygon as "Polygon" even though it's written Porygon in the actual Japanese OP.It's par for the course with these people. They are so arrogant they think they can change the sex they were born as. By comparison this is miniscule.>It's probably too much to hope for wanting someone to one day make new subtitles that have the correct romanizations of the Japanese names (or even just straight-up the English names, I'd rather see those than their ugly romanizations), even if everything else about the subtitles is exactly the same. And yeah I'm aware their subtitles aren't great, but the names are the worst thing about them.It would be a vast improvement, but considering the effort involved at that point why not just start from scratch? Better to cook a fresh meal than spend a significant amount of time trying to make a nasty plate of slop taste nice by sprinkling some herbs and spices over it.
>>58294196>Honestly, looking at that volume of work, you're probably better off just starting afresh from scratch.I disagree on this, if only on one point. As shitty as the translation is, the fact that SOS did all the timing for the subs actually cuts out a lot of work from the amount of time needed to redo the subs, if someone were to redo them. The sub timing for every episode could be retained from SOS and the translation could then be line-by-line revised. As someone who's dabbled in subs before, the timing can actually take even longer than translating because you're trying to deal with frame-perfect precision through trial and error. Still, you would need an enormous amount of autism from people who actually know Japanese to even attempt this. I agree with >>58292978 that a script could be made to automate the process of fixing the mon names from the start.
>>58291014>Also I'm glad someone else here pointed out how genuinely confusing it is for these subs to refer to every single Pokemon as "they" because >>hurrrrr technically we don't know their gender and we CAN'T use "it" because that's what the (((English dub))) did and we can't be like the (((English dub))) in any way, even the times when it was actually accurate>This isn't even some political thing, but just the fact the show's called "Pocket Monsters" and there are always multiple pocket monsters on the screen and when you say "they" but are referring to just one of them it's way too easy to misinterpret the line as referring to all of them as >>58285065 illustratesPic related is how it feels trying to read SOS subs and figure out what the actual fuck they're supposed to be talking about
FAMONWE ARE GANGSTALKING YOUhttps://x.com/HurricaneKishor
>>58292948>NTA, but it was from an old interview back when SM was running. Rica said something among the lines that she had to pretend SM Ash was separated from the rest of the continuity in order to play the role. It made a lot of noise back then.Based Rica
>>58293004>On the topic of subs, my biggest problem with PM isn't their translation, since I recognize that they probably were the best, but that most of their work is hardsubbed and relies on 720p video. That and the general cons of using TV rips.Good point anon. I'd be great if they came back and did a deluxe edition of their XY era subs using the best quality DVD/BluRay rips and with the option of soft subs. I know that's not gonna happen but it'd be nice.
>>58294298>Rica Matsumoto was kicked from OML for emmanating too many amourtard particles
>>58294298Based Serenachad
>>58294272>As shitty as the translation is, the fact that SOS did all the timing for the subs actually cuts out a lot of work from the amount of time needed to redo the subs, if someone were to redo them. The sub timing for every episode could be retained from SOS and the translation could then be line-by-line revised.I'm the anon who has access to their tranny discord. While it would be handy if their timing was good, I'm the bearer of bad news telling you that it ain't. Their timing work is very spotty and they didn't do a good job. Their tranny discord is full of people bringing up errors they made in the timing. I haven't checked every single episode but from what I've seen the problems are bad enough where you'd have to manually go through and fix it all yourself.Surprise, surprise, what a shock that the subs that were poorly translated by 1 single individual running on low sleep for over 6 years are shoddily done and clearly come across like work that was done by someone who was severely sleep deprived.
>>58294370Ah shit, nevermind then. I don't have a nyaa.si account, but if I did, I'd just place a comment on both of their sub uploads warning that the subs are bad, and give general reasons how (no insults, just cold reality), and that no amount of "CHECK MUH TRANSLATOR NOOTES" and "THINK OF MUH EFFORT" will change that. At the bare minimum, that will prevent anyone from wrongly assuming SOS has produced the "definitive" subs for pre-BW Pokémon, thus deterring any future autist from having a go at it. This seems to confirm that, even after SOS finishes DP, PMSubs will remain the preferred subs for the latter half of that season.
>>58294370Between this and to a lesser extent Some-Stuffs, it has gotten really fucking annoying that people who clearly don't know a language decide to anoint themselves as translators, just because they have enough free time. At least Some-Stuffs gradually improved a little, largely because they absorbed several ex-PMSubs guys. SOS sounds like a single tranny being encouraged by other trannies, and thus the subs are produced in an atmosphere where genuine criticism (i.e., "This actually sucks, and you should stop and learn the language better before continuing") isn't allowed.
>>58294289Famon theme songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9WO2ieJMYk
>>58294414>"THINK OF MUH EFFORT"A higher amount of effort actually makes it worse, not better. It shows that despite putting in more effort they still made a shitty, inferior end result compared to other groups. That is if you believe the arselicking about high effort. Trannies are not famous for their work ethic.>At the bare minimum, that will prevent anyone from wrongly assuming SOS has produced the "definitive" subs for pre-BW Pokémon, thus deterring any future autist from having a go at itAs much as I'd like that to be true, would it actually though? How many people are bothered to read the comments on nyaa.si? I don't imagine most.
>>58294440>Some-StuffsWhat was wrong with Some-Stuffs subs? I never watched SM or anything else they subbed.>SOS sounds like a single tranny being encouraged by other trannies, and thus the subs are produced in an atmosphere where genuine criticism (i.e., "This actually sucks, and you should stop and learn the language better before continuing") isn't allowed.I'm the anon with access to their degenerate scumhive of a discord server. This is a pretty accurate description of what it's like. There was 1 single person offering what I'd call mild criticism and he was permanently banned.
>>58294196Seeing comments like this makes it clear the entire thing is pretty fucked up accuracy wise.(I tried looking for this dialogue but the commenter clearly got the episode number wrong, there's no such dialogue at the point mentioned in episode 160)
>>58294676>There was 1 single person offering what I'd call mild criticism and he was permanently banned.Absolutely unsurprising. It's wild. If I were doing a translation and someone had genuine critiques of the translation, I would promptly determine if they're right and, if so, ask them if they'd like to contribute. But nope, criticism is violence, so b&.Honestly, it's fitting that some of the most beloved episodes of Pokémon are going to be stuck with shit subs because the good sub groups either died or are subbing modern slop. Decades of opportunities and this is what we have to show for it.
>>58294676I don't know about their later stuff, but their SM subs were sloppy and full of mistranslations.
>>58294676>There was 1 single person offering what I'd call mild criticism and he was permanently banned.Post pics
>>58292760Around the time SM started, Rica mentioned at a concert that her headcanon is that SM stars a Satoshi that traveled to Alola after he had visited a couple cities in Kanto at the start of his journey.ie SM Satoshi felt so out of character to her that not only did he not make any sense to her as post-XY Satoshi, he didn't even make sense to her as post-KANTO Satoshi).This was back when there wasn't "definite proof" yet that SM was canon to the other series instead of a reboot, so there was a bunch of faggotry related to idiots misinterpreting what she was saying at the time. It's clearly about how the character is written and acted rather than what events had technically and canonically happened in his past.
>>58294314But their XY subs ARE softsubs, anon. They switched to softsubs with Decorola.
>>58294720I found it, anon. I did a "find in files" word search for オムライス (omurice) with all the GS subs and got two results. The first is episode 160 (OS160_J042 - Kogane Gym! Speed & Power!), so the commenter got that right. What the commenter got wrong was the time. It's not at 9:30 but at 3:30. Here's the SOS subbed lines, starting at 3:24:>Satoshi: Let's get a kid's meal at the department store restaurant and take a break.>Kasumi: I want omurice!>Takeshi: Follow me, guys.>Kasumi: You know where to go, Takeshi?And here are the raw CC lines that, presumably, the translator was working from (I've added prefaced names for the first two lines):>(サトシ) 気分転換にデパートのレストランでお子様ランチでも食べよう>(カスミ) あたし オムライス>(タケシ) じゃあ 俺 木の葉丼>(カスミ) え~ タケシ それ何?Even the worst of machine translators can tell you that SOS tranny mistranslated the last two lines, just as the commenter says.
>>58294973Oh nice, that's why I couldn't find it.And yeah holy shit, what the fuck is up with this translation? This is a modern fansub, not some mid 2000s one where captions weren't a thing and you had to translate by ear.
If you put all the energy seething about shit subs into making good subs you'd have finished subbing one entire generation already.But you won't. Because all you wanna do is whine and circlejerk. You can't walk your talk.
>>58294720>>58294973>the "translation" having literally nothing to do with what's being said is a "minor translation mistake"What would a MAJOR translation mistake be, then?
>>58295027>>58295048Yeah, it's stunning. How the hell does "Jā ore konohadon" become "Follow me, guys"? Or "Sore nani" become "You know where to go"? It seems more likely that they accidentally translated a different line and inserted it into the wrong place than that they actually "mistranslated.">>58295047>Nooooo you can't criticize shit unless you do it yourself! You can't call SV shitty games unless you can develop a Switch game yourself, baka!
>>58294973Yeah, the actual translation is>Takeshi: Then I'll have konohadon.>Kasumi: Huh? What's that, Takeshi?(fyi konohadon is a kansai specialty that's not super well known in the rest of Japan)
>Konoha-don (also known as Konoha-donburi) is a type of egg rice bowl characterized by its thinly sliced kamaboko (fish cake) and shiitake mushroom toppings, garnished with mitsuba (Japanese parsley) and green onions for garnish. It is primarily eaten in the Kansai region. It is inexpensive and pairs well with udon noodles, making it a standard menu item at udon restaurants and a popular home-cooked dish. However, it is less well-known outside of the Kansai region.>There are various theories about the origin of the name, including that the kamaboko (fish cake) resembles a leaf, or that it is due to the mitsuba (Japanese parsley) inside.
PTS Subs when?
>>58295071>You can't call SV shitty games unless you can develop a Switch game yourself, baka!TPC would patent troll you if you even tried.
>>58295071>It seems more likely that they accidentally translated a different line and inserted it into the wrong place than that they actually "mistranslated."Haha no. Look at what tranny-kun says in >>58294196>The line from DP149 from my earsBased on that wording, it seems these geniuses weren't even looking at the captions at all.
>>58295118>it seems these geniuses weren't even looking at the captions at allWTF?! The AG captions finally appeared online right around the time SOS started AG, so I assumed they had waited to get them. Are you saying that this faggot never once actually utilized the captions? I mean, the captions aren't perfect and sometimes omit lines, but that's where a proper Japanese speaker would fill in the blanks themselves by ear. Holy shit this enterprise is worse than I had assumed. If the whole translation was done by ear, this is beyond bad.
>>58295158Well there's certainly no fucking way this >>58294973 was translated from captions.
>tfw was looking forward to watching the first 4 gens subbed in the near future>turns out the only complete subs for Kanto, Johto, and Hoenn are completely compromisedI'm so pissed rn
I remember seeing a subbed clip of that one scene where the Rocket trio bullies Satoshi and Kasumi for being alone together where the subs were so fucking bad they straight up invented dialogue to go with a bit where Nyarth just makes some random cat noises. Was that SOS too?
>>58294228Good thing he's going to keep his Kantonian bloodline pure...
>>58295071You certainly can criticize. But that's something you do about once or twice and then move on with your life.But if you're start a circlejerk and seethe about ti rent free 24/7 about it might as well put that energy into doing something useful and fixing the issue you're noticing and you hate so much for existing.>You can't call SV shitty games unless you can develop a Switch game yourself, baka!Difference being that this is something perfectly feasible for the laymen. There's no "I need to be Nintendo-rich" excuse to justify how you cannot do anything because you don't have the means and the resources. You actually can do something about it this time. Quite easily so in fact. So why aren't you?These people are capable of putting all this effort, misguised as it is, towards subbing the whole thing. Are you saying you're lesser than them in knowledge, how-knows and willingness?
Well, I may slowly grind away at editing these subs. If someone can compile a list of the translation errors within them I'll make sure to fix those. As far as a re-translation is concerned, I know a bit of japanese but not enough to think I could pull off a full re-translation in any reasonable amount of time. For any lines I do change I'll make sure to check against the original japanese to make sure I don't stray from the original meaning.I'll be using the official english names for moves and attacks for the sake of simplicity.
>>58294720>(I tried looking for this dialogue but the commenter clearly got the episode number wrong, there's no such dialogue at the point mentioned in episode 160)How are they counting episodes? The numbering of episodes in Pokémon anime varies wildly depending on who is doing the counting and what they do or don't count as a numbered episode.
>>58295256Anon, nobody's going to sit there and watch 700 episodes of shitsubs just to document mistranslations in them.
>>58295275Episode numberings got somewhat standardized after Japanese streaming services picked up the show, so I assume it's just following that.
>>58295256I couldn't last 2 minutes of SOS subs in a Pikachu short, there's no way I'm enduring more unless is to shit on them here.SOS is FUBAR.
>>58295276Well it sure as hell ain't going to be me either so I guess they're staying in.
>>58294736>Absolutely unsurprising. It's wild. If I were doing a translation and someone had genuine critiques of the translation, I would promptly determine if they're right and, if so, ask them if they'd like to contribute. But nope, criticism is violence, so b&.Many such cases.>Honestly, it's fitting that some of the most beloved episodes of Pokémon are going to be stuck with shit subs because the good sub groups either died or are subbing modern slop. Decades of opportunities and this is what we have to show for it.Yeah honestly I feel the exact same way. Look, I get that the PM crew didn't wanna keep doing SM. I know that word has spread that some or all of them didn't like SM. But in that case, why not go back to the actually good Pokémon and sub that instead? If you don't like it (and I didn't like it either), then why not just go back to the good stuff? They'd already done subs for a scattering of episodes over the previous generations. They knew that people thought their subs were the bee's knees and that they wouldn't just get ignored and fall into the void. People would have eaten that shit up.
>>58295307Yeah, mistranslations aside these subs are just painful to read. They don't need to be "corrected", the entire show needs to be redone.
>>58294736>>58295313
>>58295256As >>58295276 said, you're not going to get easy answers. It's worth remembering that this is a show for 7-year-olds. If you know the Japanese that a child knows, you're already more qualified than the actual SOS subber. Your best bet would be just to watch episode 1, see if any English sentences read wrong just from sight (as >>58285065 was able to show just by putting it next to PM), couple that with any lines that you hear that appear mismatched with the subs on the screen, and then compile a list. Just do this for episode 1, as a test case, because multiple aborted sub groups have subbed episode 1 and so there's a ton of reference material. This also gives you a crutch. By the end of episode 1, you'll have a better idea of your abilities before you decide to tackle anything else. The easiest starting place is just replacing the Pokémon names with their actual romanizations rather than the fanfic shit SOS invented.
>>58295313>>58295321>blanking out namesStop that faggotry.
>>58295323Japanese children actually have pretty large vocabularies. They just don't know kanji.
>>58294761I've gone back and had a look over that part of their Pokémon channel's chat logs. Having skimmed over it I definitely remember there being a lot more to these interactions than is currently there. I don't religiously watch this shithole so I don't know when it happened, but it seems pretty clear that there was some deleting of messages going on on the part of the people running this tranny infested dump. I've looked and looked and can't find the part of the conversation where they openly talk about banning this character. Yet, I was there at the time and remember it going down. I'll screenshot and post the bits that haven't been deleted.Imagine that, trannies deleting something that gives them bad optics. Colour me shocked. Surely trannies would never, ever be so slimy and duplicitous.Remember:bumblyumbly / Akiko is the translator and subtitler who singlehandedly did Sea of Serenity's Pokémon releaseBritchan / Hikari is one of the co-owners of Sea of Serenity, an admin in their tranny discord and a "she/her".
>>58295313Yep, that's the question. I don't blame them for hating SM, but they could've been more transparent about saying they weren't going to continue, allowing a new group like Some-Stuffs to take their place more seamlessly, and then just going back to OS, remastering what they had already done with Indigo with hardsubs, and then finishing Indigo League. Not even saying they needed to do Johto hell or even AG. But surely they could've gone back and filled in the first half of DP. It's just unfortunate that they just vanished off the face of the earth one day and left everyone in the dark.
>>58295313Anon, PM literally closed their website because of the lack of free time to run it, and most of the people that used to work on those subs are long gone. I think Sushi dropped the show so hard she didn't even hear about Satoshi becoming world champion until like a year after it happened.
>>58294761>>58295336Most of you are already familiar with Akiko. This is the second person in this interaction.
>>58294761>>58295336>>58295343
>>58294761
>>58295343>SM obsessedWe literally found the anti-PM Subs lmao
>>58294761>>58295358
>>58295336>mfw was about to say this Akiko person made perfect sense here (奥義 maps most closely to "arcana", it's not some word you use in casual conversation and it's not a word some random 10 year old should automatically be expected to know)>then it just keeps going with multiple paragraphs of "I spent a lot of time on this so you can't criticize"Christ almighty.
>>58294761Remember how in this post here >>58295336 I said>I've looked and looked and can't find the part of the conversation where they openly talk about banning this character. Yet, I was there at the time and remember it going down. I'll screenshot and post the bits that haven't been deleted.Well it turns out the trannies didn't delete that specific part of the conversation like I initally thought in my skim through it. I had to dig but I eventually found the relevant part. Other parts of the conversation has disappeared but maybe this stayed because it doesn't include the words ban, banned or any variations of it. (which is the main reason why I could't find it when I skimmed the channel)That part of it begins here
>>58294761Press F to pay respects to @hardback24726 on the Sea of Serenity Subs discord serverF
>>58294761This is the final screenshotI feel like I took 5 points of psychic damage just reading through this shit againYou're welcome, anons. You may thank me for my service
>>58295340Nigga somestuffs had been working on the show for half a year at the time PM dropped it, at which point they were like a month behind the DUB. I was there at the time, nobody really gave that much of a shit about SM to care that much when PM dropped a sub of some shitty episode from 4 months ago. You need to stop this retarded insistence that they're a group of Hitlers for not being "transparent enough" to your liking about how much they could be fucked to work on releases nobody cared about.
>>58295376>>58295388>>58295392>"Wow, did you do that episode by ear? That sounds hard. Good on you, because that's impressive.">"HOW DARE YOU COMPLIMENT ME THIS IS HARASSMENT YOU TROLL BAN BAN BAN"Institutionalize every tranny.
>>58294883I'm glad I was wrong. Last time I watched it was almost a decade ago and I didn't remember either way. I took the other anon I was responding to at face value.
>>58295027>what the fuck is up with this translation?The million dollar question, anon
>>58295392>this is above all else out space>meant to be a nice safe community>I'm not about having a toxic spaceNo wonder these subs suck so much when nobody's even allowed to comment on them with anything other than blind praise.
>>58295432Makes you wonder what the fucking "proofreading" even is, other than rubber stamping.
>>58295047>If you put all the energy seething about shit subs into making good subs you'd have finished subbing one entire generation already.>But you won't. Because all you wanna do is whine and circlejerk. You can't walk your talk.KEK your tranny friend spent 6 years of (her? its? his?) life singlehandedly translating and subtitling this slop and the result is something I wouldn't even wipe my shitty asshole with. Us having our amusing conversation mocking your slop, when you take into account how slow threads move compared to real life conversation, has taken place over only a few hours of actual talking over the past few threads. KEK.6 years versus a few hours.So go back to your tranny discord you tranny NIGGER
>>58295435Probably making sure they didn't accidentally refer to a Pokemon as anything other than a theythem.Did they still call them theythems when the nip included gendered language?
>>58295097>PTS Subs when?When indeed
I thought this line sounded a bit weird.
>>58295118>Based on that wording, it seems these geniuses weren't even looking at the captions at all.Who needs captions when you have mental illness?
>>58295158>Are you saying that this faggot never once actually utilized the captions?
>>58295205I dunno but given what I've seen so far I wouldn't be surprised. Who else would be that autistic?
>>58295227>You certainly can criticize. But that's something you do about once or twice and then move on with your life.>But if you're start a circlejerk and seethe about ti rent free 24/7 about it might as well put that energy into doing something useful and fixing the issue you're noticing and you hate so much for existing.The only way to fix your issues is to take you out back and euthanise you with a 12 gauge you tranny NIGGER. Run along back to your little tranny discord server.
>>58295439How did they translate this line in episode 28? (at 11:10) Yuki specifically refers to Pikachu as "he" (kare) here, it's notable for being the first time it was 100% confirmed that Pikachu is male.
>>58295444For comparison, PM has>I'm bearing my grandfather's name, and with that, I got a Pokémon.
>>58295256>Well, I may slowly grind away at editing these subs.I don't know why you'd want to. You can edit low IQ tranny slop as much as you want, it's still going to be slop.>If someone can compile a list of the translation errors within them I'll make sure to fix those. Hahaha nigger please I am in my fuck going to waste even a single second of my life on that shit. Do you unironically think someone is going to watch hundreds of hours of trannysubs just to make that for you?
>>58295290Standardised as they may apparently be, everyone else doesn't seem to have gotten the memo
>>58295315>Yeah, mistranslations aside these subs are just painful to read. They don't need to be "corrected", the entire show needs to be redone.
>>58295328I agree that it's faggotry. I'm not the one who took the screenshots or who hid the names.
>>58295469NTA, but like this>Take this Pikachu for example... Here's his trainer, they're in the middle of training together.So they gendered Pikachu correctly, though the sentence structure is shit.
>>58295340>But surely they could've gone back and filled in the first half of DP.I heard that they actually did the first half of Diamond & Pearl but later deleted it because the work wasn't up to standard. What's the story with that? Is there any truth in it?
>>58295342Yeah, I know all of that. I'm talking about almost 10 years ago.
>>58295363I think the SM probably refers to Sailor Moon. Sea of Serenity is primarily a Sailor Moon group. They just have one freak in the back room singlehandedly working on Pokémon as a side project.https://seaofserenity.net/
>>58295512I've only heard they did the first 6 or so episodes of DP and nuked them. The story goes that some new guy joined the team and decided to do them, and they released them, but then it turned out that he didn't actually know Japanese and was machine translating his way through as a crutch. They deleted those subs after finding out. You can still find them, though, since the torrent links still exist and then end up in some fansub batches.
>>58295393>You need to stop this retarded insistence that they're a group of HitlersI wish lmao
>>58295405>Institutionalize every tranny.Trannies are already basically institutionalised by having to live in their own minds. A fate worse than death. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
>>58295336>I can ban them if they ever rejoinShe/her trannies being as reasonable as always, I see.
Whats wrong with PM subs?
>>58295343>she/herWhat are the odds this is actually a real women?
>>58295353>he's been asking me these sorts of questions for three years>what the fuck that's just harassmentThe tranny persecution complex truly knows no bounds. You have some poor fucker volunteering up his spare time FOR THREE YEARS to help these demented tranny cunts FOR FREE in correcting their work and how do they react? Oh this asshole is harrassing us, I'm banning him if he shows up again.
>>58295370>if your japanese is good enough that you can see problems everywhere in it, just make your own dawg>just do your ownYou know what, that's great advice Akiko. Maybe you're onto something there. Perhaps we fucking should you tranny.
>>58295363Anon...
>>58295553Nothing? They just dropped the show like an anchor tied with boulders after XY ended, that's it.
>>58295435These are trannies so who knows, "proofreading" could just be a euphemism for degenerate behaviour
>>58295580So then why does everyone care about the tranny subs when an alternative exists?
>>58295553>Whats wrong with PM subs?The only thing wrong is that they didn't do more of them
>>58295512They did a couple early DP episodes back when the show was new, but the translator turned out to be a larping retard that didn't know nip, so the translations were really bad. The releases got deleted from their tracker, but some other morons included them in some big third party batch torrents despite that. It was like 5 episodes or so, I have no idea where the idea of it being the entire first half came from.
>>58295553The only thing wrong with them is that they never finished the backlog. They did the first 46 Indigo League episodes, then episodes 65 and 66 of Indigo League, then a few random Johto episodes, the first 11 AG episodes, the last 13 AG episodes, and then a smattering of DP episodes before episode 94. Starting at DP094, they subbed everything until somewhere in the 40s or so of SM. Their quality is top-tier, but that also meant that they weren't just shitting out subs.
>>58295583>So then why does everyone care about the tranny subs when an alternative exists?>when an alternative existsAnon my man that's the point, there is no alternative...Sea of Serenity are the only sub group that has covered vast portions of the anime. As of now they are the only option for what, a few hundred episodes? I dunno the exact number but it's a lot.If you know of any alternatives then by all means share them with the class.
>>58295583Because the tranny subs cover territory that PM didn't get to, so people are stuck with them. Ideally, someone could just softsub retypeset the Indigo episodes PM did cover with very minor tweaks and then just continue where they left off for the other 30-something Indigo episodes. The result would be objectively better than this shit.
Akiko, my dude, can I call you dude my man? Akiko, I want to be the first one to say, thank you for your service. Truly. Six years of your life you have sacrificed for these subtitles. You are truly a man among men.
>>58295591>>58295598>>58295607Ah ok. I understand now.
You're LAUGHING? Akiko-sama literally did not sleep properly for like 3 years and you're LAUGHING!?!?How dare you disrespect tranny-san like that.
>>58295618They'd better keep their tranny fingers off Unova and Kalos.
>>58295618>the rest of the movies up to Kalos Literally why. Those have been subbed for fucking ages.
>>58295632"Muh uniformity." Hilariously, this tranny is going to single-handedly fuck up the perception of the Japanese original because you'll have clueless viewers thinking they're getting the inside scoop while actually getting a translation worse than had you asked ChatGPT to do it for you. And since it's "more recent," you'll have people wrongly believing these subs must be more accurate than PM's older subs, when the exact opposite will be the case.
>>58295643But the existing BW movie subs have uniformity with the existing BW series subs.
I want TPCi to drop official subs, even if they're shit, for no other reason than so this tranny and its community realize that they wasted 6 years of their lives for nothing.
>>58295598>As of now they are the only option for what, a few hundred episodes? I dunno the exact number but it's a lot.PM covered the following episodes before BW:>first 46 episodes of Kanto + the 2 winter specials>5 episodes scattered across Johto>first 11 episodes, final 13 episodes, and 7 other episodes of AG and 1 parody sub>12 episode scattered across DP before fully taking on from DP094 onwardsThat's not counting movies and specials, also not fully covered. We're looking at roughly 96/560 episodes done by PM before DP094 or about 464 episodes that never got English subs.
>>58295648I mean uniformity in the sense that "the whole* anime has the same style of subs." Nobody actually cares about this, though. For as iffy as they can be, I wish Some-Stuffs had decided to stop subbing new episodes after the original anime ended instead of doing Horizons. They're the only group that had built up any credibility after PM that would've been trusted to not shit the bed on the backlog.
Anons, I wanna add more midriffs to my collection, anyone knows some good tummies from the anime?
>>58295653Ah sweet464 episodes of trannysubs slop
>>58295650Based
>>58295653They did like 5 parody subs.
I'd like to thank the anons in this thread for the information over the last few days. I've collected all the subs I could, including SOSSubs, to cover as much of the show as I could, and always prioritized newer subs because I assumed they were better because they could use the older ones for reference. So I had all the PM subs for Kanto moved into a folder called "Old Subs" while giving pride of place to SOSSubs. I now realize this was a mistake and I'm now moving PM back into its proper place. I also want to confess that I once was discussing a line of dialogue from the Manaphy movie with a friend and used the SOSSubs line as authoritative over PM's translation of the same line, assuming PM had mistranslated the line. Pls forgive.
>>58295643This the fear. I'm glad we're having this conversation. It's been 6 years since it started, how much damage has happened?
>>58295700Which line was that?
>>58294289>obsession with this schizoplease go back, you fit just right in with all the horizons newfags>>58294448
>>58295701>It's been 6 years since it started, how much damage has happened?The real damage will happen with Johto and Hoenn, since those were so sparsely subbed. With Indigo League, fucking Dogasu's old autism, where he compared the dub to the original for many of those episodes, serves as a counterbalance in pieces. But I don't know if anyone subbed the Indigo Pokémon League itself before the tranny. Same for the Johto League or the Hoenn League. DP is a great series so that's going to be very unfortunate when the first half is only available in shitty form. The fucking dubtitle DP subs might somehow remain preferable.
>>58295712I've been harrassing this Indian streetshitter longer than you've been on this board
>>58295712That schizo has been around longer than the Likonime and caused just as much damage to the point of bingo charts existing which predict his clockwise attitude. Project your newfaggotry elsewhere.
>>58295665>They're the only group that had built up any credibilityEhhh...
>>58295721>With Indigo League, fucking Dogasu's old autism, where he compared the dub to the original for many of those episodes, serves as a counterbalance in pieces.
>>58295708I think it was when Jackey was talking to Ash about separating Manaphy from May. It's about 57 minutes into the movie. PM has "I want you to separate Haruka and Manaphy" and SOSSubs has "I want to separate Haruka and Manaphy." So it boils down to whether Jackey was trying to get Ash to do it, and thus trying to get Ash to do something that would hurt his own friend, or whether Jackey was telling Ash what he himself was going to do, without making Ash do it.
>>58295741>I'm not sure if the turbo-autism who hated his own Westernness so much that he moved to Japan only to get bullied while there for being too much of a weeb speaks Japaneselol>he made a translation error because he didn't affirm my mental illnessdouble lol
>>58295741I've seen that coyote fag around before, he's an obnoxious padtfag who pretends to be an expert on all kinds of shit he has no clue about.
Subfags stay losing, us Dubchads will enjoy our jelly donuts
>>58295741Dogasu's autism is pretty annoying but his translations seem pretty okay when he attempts to render Japanese dialogue into English.I remember he also went through a phase years ago of "I have my own romanizations for the Japanese Pokemon names that might differ from the '''official''' ones :^)" but at least he eventually moved past that since it would've been over a decade ago by now. And from what I remember any differences in romanization on his site weren't nearly as extreme as how SOS renders many names.
Which Psychic mon should have gotten as his first psychic? Depending on the region, of course. Could have caught a Slowpoke as his first during Kanto
>>58295822Actually never mind, I just checked his site and saw that he still does it occasionally as recently as Gen 9. He should move past that.But the vast majority of names used on his site are still rendered the same way as the official ones. Not quite sure what he's going for here
>>58295822It wasn't until late gen 6 that the full list of official romanizations became properly available, prior to that there was a lot of guessing and personal preference going around. The official romanizations were also used a LOT less on merch than they are now. Newfags need to stop judging old shit by current standards.
>>58295841Okay, for what it's worth it WAS around Gen 6-ish that I'm talking about here re: Dogasu; even at the time it did feel a little weird to me because I think the official romanizations were available online then. It's not like I'm bitching about his pages from like 2000 or whatever using outdated terms, and as I said, he still does it now so it's apparently just kind of a personal preference thing for him.That said I'm not really bashing Dogasu here about this so much as it seems a little odd to me. The alternate names he uses are much more reasonable than the ones used in the fansubs.
>Dub vs Sub shit again, this time an endless tirade of two anons moaning about the subs without providing any alternatives or solution themselves>Obsessing over posters and users, dumping discord screenshots while adding trannies in every second post accompanying them >Less than 20 posts actually talking about the actual animeWhat exactly was the point of this general if all you faggots do anything but what the thread is for?
>>58295874Hey there are AT LEAST 3 different anons moaning about subs hereThis thread seems pretty nice to me honestly because it seems like a possible first step toward getting slightly better subs for at least some of the series.
>>58295882Ok, THREE anons moan for over 100 posts, really not much of a difference if all three of them do the same shit, which is jackshit. The only possible first step is if you show an effort to actually provide better subs. And not just talking about it but actually encoding it into RAWS and then providing it.This thread is just beating a dead horse as far as things go they currently are. But feel free to prove me wrong by actually doing something that doesn't just require a few posts and hoping to not get censored.
>>58295889>Discussing a potential plan and ways of going about it?! Why would you do that? You're just supposed to blindly start working on a project with zero pre-discussion or plan of what people want!
>>58295891Planning means shit if, and this is just a repeat of what I said, if no one actually commits to it. People already talked about doing this before and it went nowhere.Unless you faggots actually provide a way to show that you're not just talk, which is by showing your progress or even a baseline then all you do is just the poor man version of slacktivism
>>58295855>because I think the official romanizations were available online thenThey weren't, I remember laughing at Bulbapedo for their dumb shit like "Gekogahshier". It was guesswork, preferences and discovering actual official spellings one by one via merch, and the official spellings were so rarely used on anything official that they were more trivia than anything. It's not like today, where Somestuffs look like dumbasses for insisting on "Welcamo" when there's like 50 different bits of merch with "WELKAMO" written on it in big letters.
>>58295828None. Psychic types don't suit Ash.
Decided to pay another visit to Rica's post and Nip Twitter is still tearing her to shreds for the language post. That shit is five days old and people are still at it with her, why?
>>58295982It's the build-up beforehand, slowpoke. Earlier she got away with it because the leaks were absurd at the time but her denying it back then allowed the first seeds to grow.Now with her attitude piling up on other fronts is breaking the dam. She messed up in the long run back then and now it catches up to her also long-term wise with her attitude.
>>58295982That covid embezzlement thing turned out to be a hit piece sourced to some cunt that made it up because she disliked Rica, are fags still on about that?
>>58295982>check account>it's a literal who>check posts>seething about the Conservative Party of Japan and specifically its supporters mocking MuslimsInto the trash it goes lol
>>58295992Nigga she's not even saying anything particularly uncommon, let alone objectionable.
>>58295982Meh we already talked about this last thread. Rica is old news now, she's a nobody who won't ever be somebody again.But I wonder who will voice Ash when he returns? Now that Rica has so many big controversies behind her they can justify replacing her with someone else.
>>58296023Her saying something common isn't the problem. But she voiced a kid who traveled around the world being tolerant and accepting of others. That not only goes against the character she voiced but also is pretty bad PR for Pokemon by association.
https://x.com/rica_matsumoto3/status/1968934458100175169>go to the "incriminating" tweet>the top comments are from people with "ANTIFA" in their bio>the next has the tranny flagThis is one of the least subtle astroturf campaigns I've ever seen. It's just a bunch of asshurt communists pretending to be the majority. As such, I can only assume the anon seething about Rica and spamming this Xitter controversy is also a commie trantifa bot.
>>58296043No it doesn't. Nobody gave a shit when Hayashibara said the same things either.
Rica is racist and that's based. Ya'll need to stop getting so defensive either way.
>>58296067Hayashibara isn't as vocal and defensive about it.Rica had a track record of other bullshit already even if we pointedly ignore the accusation of embezzlement of the bat virus funds. There are leaked documents about her strained relationship with Ohtani, which is bad considering they voiced a duo and is bad enough that it got written down in confidental docs. Her response in regards to the leaked documents was crap because she glazed over it instead of making sure she is aware of what was leaked.And again, having that attitude while voicing a kid with a open attitude isn't the best look for her and Pokemon. Hayashibara doesn't get as much shit because she voiced a literal joke of a criminal, which is ironic considering that Rica arguably caused more damage than the fictional characters to her name.
>>58296043Satoshi is a conservative, which means he's your average Jap.
>current year +10>STILL believing fake leaksHoly reddit
>>58296096Now that the dust has settled, Trip was actually speaking for the average Japanese person wasn't he?They're sick and tired of foreign hicks disrespecting their homeland's culture.
>>58296094>muh leaked documents Literally nobody even knows about those except westfags that read machine translations of them, that's a bigger nothingburger than anything else.
>>58296094Do you seriously not know who Hayashibara is outside of "I read on Bulbapedo that she voices a character in a Japanese version of one show I've never watched"?
>bullies her coworkers>insults people using Ash's voice>allegedly siphoned bat virus subsidies>now she's posting vehemently xenophobic tweetsIs there anyone better than /ourqueen/?
>>58296125>"nobody in Japan cares about the leaks">that's why Rica was asked about them by Japanese users and replied to them in JapaneseThis has to be the highest amount of copium I've seen from a weeb "defending" anything Japanese, and weebs here already struggle coming to terms with Japanese leftists existing in the first place.
>>58296125>Literally nobody even knows about those except westfagsWhat's funny is that you're completely right. Months after the fact, I got curious and decided to search the most "salacious" of the quotes from those dumb files, in the original Japanese, to see all the discussion that must've gone on about them in Japan when they dropped. Only there was nothing. Material that was treated as "bombshells" in westfag spaces yielded barely any results, and those results that did appear were two or three mentions on 2chan or a similar site. Zero news articles on Japanese gaming sites, basically no Japanese Xitter discussion, nothing. It was a non-story that nobody gave a shit about, if they even believed it to be real in the first place.
>>58296144>Hey Rika-chan, did this stuff in these sketchy af documents happen?>Sounds like bullshit lmao.Sounds like a pretty closed case to me, commie-kun>>58296144>struggle coming to terms with Japanese leftists existing in the first placeBecause they don't lol
>>58296156That's how mafia(yakuza) works.
>>58296066>the top comments are from people with "ANTIFA" in their bio>the next has the tranny flagSo it's fucking nothing then. Lame.
>>58296184>Sounds like a pretty closed case to meLmao, fuck outta here with that move goalpost shit. Those leaks reached a Japanese audience that needed so much for Rica to speak up. So much for "nobody cares.">Because they don't lolGuess Erika Yoshida, Kotaro Uchikoshi, Hideki Kamiya, and all those other Japanese creators who openly shared leftist or non-right views aren't real people anymore.You're free to hate them all you want, but acting like Japan is this paradise where they're all rightoids is beyond schizo.
>>58295874Sounds no different than/padt/.
>>58296215>Those leaks reached a Japanese audience that needed so much for Rica to speak up. So much for "nobody cares."That's not what happened. Someone tweeted at her, without mentioning documents, about rumors about friction between her and Ikue Otani, and she said the rumors were bullshit.>Guess Erika Yoshida, Kotaro Uchikoshi, Hideki Kamiya, and all those other Japanese creators who openly shared leftist or non-right views aren't real people anymore.Yep, sounds like they aren't. Glad we agree.
>>58296235NTA but basically Rica was essentially lying about the beef behind closed doors without making sure what could've raised the question in the first place?
>>58296215>Erika Yoshida, Kotaro Uchikoshi, Hideki KamiyaWhat districts in the National Diet do these officials represent?
>>58296240Or maybe "the beef" was just some faggy office gossip in the first place.
>>58296253Not really a gospel if it finds its way onto official documents, from meetings that were for communication with said office though? If it's bad enough to be written down then you know it's bad.
>>58296235>without mentioning documentsYeah sure, anon, I will believe someone just pulled some rumor about Rica and Ikue out of their ass for no reason at the right time when shit about the anime leaks.>Yep, sounds like they aren't. Glad we agree.You must be 18 to post on 4chan. You're too old to believe in those fairy tales.
>>58296278>Yeah sure, anon, I will believe someone just pulled some rumor about Rica and Ikue out of their ass for no reason at the right time when shit about the anime leaks.That's not what I said, faggot. I said the person who tweeted at her didn't mention the documents to her, not that they themselves didn't get the rumors from the documents. The got the rumor from the documents, asked Rica about the rumor, and Rica said the rumor was untrue. You're the only one saying "Aha! But she responded in the first place, which means the rumors she denied must be true!" Please seek help.>trannyspamYWNBAW
>>58296259It was written down in the meeting transcript because it was mentioned in passing during the meeting, you mong.
I'm done being quiet about it. Goh is my fucking nigga and I loved when he would catch Pokémon. I loved seeing the research park get bigger. I loved seeing his Pokémon form a community and have unique relationships with each other. I loved when he'd fail to catch certain mons, adding uncertainty to his attempts. Having a dexnigga as a main character was fucking fun and too many people whined about it.
>>58296305Where do you think they got the information? Virtually anyone else but the people they can directly talk to? I find the mental gymnastics about this both funny but appalling but by insisting they get the ideas of rumors from anyone else rather than talking to their business partners just paints the idea that they're shit at communication, which was the whole point of the documents talking about the anime to stay up-to-date with each other.Do you not realize you're painting a retarded picture of both the Pokemon company and yourself? Just say that you're wrong, man. A voice actress getting shit for acting like a dick is the lesser evil than two companies failing to do the thing they are meeting up for.
Can you niggers take it to >>>/pol/ please?
>>58296311I wish we got an episode set in the part from the POV of his mons. One of those "while the trainer is away" plots that's just a SOL of the mons interacting with each other and showing off their personalities.
>>58296304>"Aha! But she responded in the first place, which means the rumors she denied must be true!"Meds. You were the one who claimed that Japanese people didn't hear of the leaks and now you're going on mental gymnastics about it. Point is, they heard of them and that's why she was asked about it in the first place, whether they believed the docs or not doesn't mean shit.
>>58296311People only whined about it because they're self inserters who wanted Ash to do it instead.
stop talking about Rica, ash is not coming back whatever
>>58296318Bored of crying for Charlie Kirk, it seems
>>58296318It's relevant.
>>58296035Ash is not returning but if there is something with him then they just can age him up and give him a male VA. Yuyama is out anyways.
>>58295796This is his YouTube channelhttps://www.youtube.com/@FunyarinpaFoundation>an obnoxious padtfagHold on this nigger is a /padt/fag? Seriously? It must be after my time because I don't remember this cunt.>who pretends to be an expert on all kinds of shit he has no clue about.Yeah that sounds about right.
>>58298718She's not coming back, discord troon.
>>58298729"I wanna be the very best" suddenly takes on a much darker tone
>>58298737>but it ain't fearIn Rica's case it is fear. She's not a chad like Hayashibara.
>>58298757The only reason this thread isn't full of fanart is because there are dedicated waifufag threads for that and because we're busy discussing the latest Rica controversy.Yes, Rica has done something again in case you haven't noticed. No wonder they got rid of her.
>>58298706>>58298737Here's the proof, her top commenters under that post. LOL
>>58298743
>>58298767>because we're busy discussing the latest Rica controversyNo, we're laughing at (You) spamming your seethe about Rica being too based.
>>58298795I'm not seething about it retard I'm in favor of Kanto kicking out all the dirty foreigners
I'm thinking Ash could come back as an adult since that's a good excuse to replaced Rica
>>58298871but who would he be with?
>>58295828Ralts
>>58296043>But she voiced a kid who traveled around the world being tolerant and accepting of others.He followed their cultures, didn't impose his owns and then fucked off tho
Oh wow, this general actually caught on. Nice. You know, while I laughed at them at the time, I do feel for those who took Ash leaving harder than others. I'm sure the adventures of Ash, Pikachu, Team Rocket, and co. were a friendly and familiar rock throughout many people's lives, and losing that sucked hard.
>>58298724Mod-only forum for sharing nudes and erping (half the mods were underage) and Pomf himself was quoted as saying age is just a number.
>>58299231On the other hand it's because of that familiar rock that the anime has been so stagnant and boring. Their comfort was robbing us of even the slim possibility that the anime could be something worth picking back up if you're not autistically attached to it like a tard and his milk soaked plushy.
How about we stop talking about controversies and we start talkinga bout the anime instead?>Heracross was the first pokémon Ash caught in Johto>It got one of the coolest battles in the entire season early on>Ash sent it to Oak immediately after the second gym and then it didn't fight again until the Johto LeagueThis is the anime's biggest mistake. Heracross is cool, he could've been amazing against Chuck since he's all about manly head to head fighting.Also Cyndaquil should've evolved against Jasmine's Steelix.
>>58299266Shudo really, really, hated Ash so all of Johto was about nerfing him to the ground until the moment he left, but then Yuyama happened which was even worse in my opinion.Ash without those two retards would have been completely different and the power scale even more ridiculous than whatever the fuck is Horizons doing tho
>>58299299>hates Ash>gives him OP pokemon
>>58299404>He doesn't know
>>58299299Nigga Yuyama was there from the start too. He and Shudo were both there. Yuyama didn't come later.
>>58296023I don't know. Getting pissed off about foreign language signs in a city catering to tourists- FOREIGN tourists seems stupid and a (you) problem. They spend money, lots of it, then leave so no need to grumble unless they act like total asses. Osaka is also not like Barcelona. It is a huge city with wide roads. If anywhere has the infrastructure to cope with a mass influx of tourism, it is Osaka.Decided to look it up as well. Parco Osaka is right in Shinsaibashi Osaka, that is smack ban in the middle of the tourist area right next to Dotonbori- which was developed as a tourist area since it's inception. This is an area where you can see as many white people, sometimes more, than black haired Japanese.Ironically enough, the building Rica was at is next to the Osaka Pokemon Centre which is an even bigger magnet for gaijin.
>>58299450Stop raising valid points against our Queen! Shut up and go to a place where nobody will hear your voice!
>>58299450>unless they act like total assesAnon, they do.
What are the chances shudo's original script for the third movie still exists and wasn't thrown into a paper shredder at some point?
Complaining about english signs in your country because other countries don't have them for your niche language is such a skill issue.I have never seen chinks or koreans complaining about that btw
>>58299299Why do so many people have it out for Shudo?
>>58299558>Why are people not particularly fond of...>A drug addict>An alcoholic>A pokefucker>A pokefucker who drank and drugged himself silly because his pokemommywaifu got changed into male>Who was so butthurt about the show he worked on bombed that he decided to murder the little girl MC by making a truck run over her as a fuck you towards the people who canceled the show over the bad ratings (despite him being in charge of the show meaning the fault of it bombing was all on him)>Who was so butthurt about life and everyone and everything that anything he produced he turned into misery porn >Probably also a trannyGee, I don't know why someone wouldn't be fond of someone who just wants to make people as miserable as he was.It's a mystery.
>>58299513>>58299450https://x.com/rica_matsumoto3/status/1971395756881060069Anyways, she deleted and apologised already. Did Hayashibara apologised too? I don't remember.
>>58299623Why would Hayashibara need to apologize? She's a beloved and popular VA who still has her role.
Rica did nothing wrong and all her complaints are valid
>>58299487If you mean the dinosaur idea, that only existed as a pitch, the idea got turned down before he even wrote a general story outline.
Would the show be better if they changed protagonists every region, like they do in the games? Or was Ash the soul?
>>58299591>drug addict, alcoholic, pokefuckerHow did his personal vices effect anyone where? And half the fanbase are pokefuckers, so even if he was one, he hardly stands out in that regard.>bad ratingsThe original run of Minky Momo was a critical hit. The toy company that sponsored the show was teetering towards bankruptcy, though, which is why they were about to pull their funding. Once funding got sorted out, Minky Momo pumped out several OVAs and had a second TV run. Would've had a third had Shudo not died.>anything he produced he turned into misery pornMost of his filmography's the exact opposite of misery porn.>probably also a trannyI think you're a tad bit schizo, anon.
>>58299728It doesn't work in Pokemon
>>58299728Would've been better if they changed early on. A lot of my childhood friends lost interest when Ash stuck around in Johto.
>>58299740And other series except ygo 5d protagonist was the best
>>58299740Why not? The games do it. The manga does it. The spinoffs do it. And now even the anime does it.
>>58299728I’d say they wanted to sell that it was hard to become a Pokemon Master/Champion, which is funny because you do that in every pokemon game more or less easily, which is why he’s had negative plot armor and we’ve seen him lose in the Pokemon league.Seeing him from his lazy training days and snarky attitude in the OS to how competent he was in DP felt like natural progression to people who look back when they’re adults, so people really wanted to see him win.
>>58299750>5d protagonist was the bestWhat have you done anon? You have summoned the monkey from Bandgladesh.
>>58299623She didn't even apologized for her own actions. She apologized for her fans who white-knighted her.
>>58300016Narcissists are unable to take accountability.Not that she would need to. Did you know she worked at OLM for over 7 years? She was actually the first generation anime VA. She's voice acted for so many things, so many things.
>>58299728>>58299755The anime doesn’t really have a plot so it wouldn’t matter. It’s just Ash and his companions aiming for thier goal, adapting game events and showing off every new pokemon of that gen. Yugioh and Digimon have an actual plot along with the shilling.I dont know the general reception of Horizons but it must not be good. I don’t see anyone outside of fan groups talk about it.
>>58299453In capitalism that would be suicide, but I guess japanese are experts on that
>>58300045What kind of response evne is that?>Outside of fan groupsThat's like the norm. Why would groups outside of YGO about YGO? The same goes for Pokémon so why bringing in non-Pokémon elements as a comparison?
>>58300059Sysh, don't upset the Digishill.
>>58299731>>I think you're a tad bit schizo, anon.People on this tread talking abbout le trans too much.Maybe....
>>58300045Yes it does. Get the 8 badges and become champion.
>>58300059> What kind of response evne is that?What’s wrong with it.> That's like the normIt isn’t. You’re supposed to bring in more people through word of mouth, advertisement, etc. The people in fan groups are the same people that was watching when Ash was the protag>>58300110Fucking retard
>>58300197Concession accepted.
>>58298786Well, those are exactly the enemies you'd have if you were objectively correct in your views.
Who tweeted first, Rica or Hayashibara?Maybe Rica was desperate to fit in so she could come back. There's a chance Rica isn't even based.
>>58300405Hayashibara has been saying this for months.
>>58299728Do you see other anime adaptation of a video game has run for over 20 years? Most video game adaptations end after one season, with some, like MegaMan Net Warriors, lasting up to six seasons.The Pokémon anime was planned for one season but extended to 26 years due to the popularity of Ash, Pikachu, and Team Rocket. Neither TPC nor Game Freak are obligated to produce a continuous anime when they could create shorts like Pokétoon.Therefore the anime wouldn’t be better if it changed protagonists every season, as the core characters drove its longevity. Only Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh fans push for Pokémon to change its main character, believing all anime should follow their model.
>>58300585>>58299409What is this obsessed behavior called where someone is repeatedly accusing others of being something they're not while bringing up unrelated IPs out of nowhere?
>>58300585>The Pokémon anime was planned for one season but extended to 26 years due to the games selling so well worldwide that christians feared it was the coming of the antichrist.
>>58300614"Being a schizo".
>>58300631>the games selling so well worldwideSo does Mario, Zelda, Elden Ring and even Palworld but none of them has a long running anime series.
>>58300720None of those are Digimon or Yu-Gi-Oh.
>>58300585>Ash, Pikachu, and Team RocketThe newest anime only has Pikachu and it's doing okay. Pikachu is the only core character who matters.
>>58300741>The newest anime only has Pikachu and it's doing okayDoing okay? That Pikachu is even more forgettable than Raichu. The anime focus on so much making it cool that they forgot to write a personality for it.
>>58300910So what? Pikachu is iconic enough to carry the show alone even if it's a forgettable version. Pikachu already carried BW Ash, XY Ash, SM Ash, and JN Ash, it can carry SV "Ash" too.
>>58300924>Pikachu is iconic enoughAsh's Pikachu is iconic Pikachu, something that can't be replaced by a Raichu inside the skin of a Pikachu with a hat. After all there were so many Charizard but none of them came close to Ash's Charizard.
>>58300986Yes, yes. We know you love to cocksuck Ash but getting angry about the idea of Pikachu being iconic without him just makes you look insecure.
>>58300986The Pikachu in Smash Bros is not Ash's. The Charizard in Smash Bros is not Ash's. Leon's Charizard is not Ash's. Roy's Pikachu is not Ash's. The Pikachu that appears in the short animations are not Ash's.This https://x.com/poke_times/status/1877158376511037467 Pikachu is not Ash's.
>>58301044And nobody cares about smash bro Pikachu and Charizard, Leon's Charizard was never popular and actually the cause of most of dislike towards Leon , Caps is more Raichu than Pikachu and all the Pikachu from various short are forgotten.None of them are more popular than Ash's Pikachu so what are you trying to prove again?
>>58301053If nobody cares why do they keep appearing without Ash? Why is Ash the only one who doesn't appear? Why do they keep doing this to only Ash?How come Pikachu can be popular without Ash but Ash can't be popular without Pikachu?
>>58300910>>The anime focus on so much making it cool that they forgot to write a personality for it.And yet people still love the frog for the feels and aurafarming. It's obvious that they need a character/pokemon of this archetype to pull in the same retards who make full ace mon teams for Ash in their fics. "Impress the kids, don't think, just buy and consume".
>>58301053Hi Famon. Why aren't you defending Rica from>THE ALLEGATIONSITT. Or do you secretly have something against seeing Chinese and Korean?
Pikachu is not just an anime character like Ash. He's an icon. They use him everywhere, but they only use Ash in the anime. That's what it means to be iconic.I love Ash but we all know deep down Pikachu is more popular than him. They even retired him for an entire generation and Pikachu remained popular and their profits only went up.
>>58300720Now that you mention that, I wonder why Nintendo never bothered to make long running series of stuff like Metroid or The Legend of Zelda, they certainly had plenty of material to adapt or make a series based off of them.I know they had some series here and there but, as far as I can remember, they were pretty cheap looking/animated and were all pretty short-lived, which always seemed pretty odd to me.
>>58301059>If nobody cares why do they keep appearing without Ash?Because Ash is trademarked by OLM , the same reason M16 Mewtwo was different because TPC needed Shudu's family's permission to use him.
>>58301062>>58301102>And yet people still love the frog for the feels and aurafarming.Yet Scizor and Gallade are overlooked despite sharing similar traits and aura-farming. Even Ceruledge failed to reach Greninja's popularity.Why did Greninja succeed while others failed? Answer: Greninja was Ash's special Pokémon, just as Pikachu remains iconic as Ash's starter, despite Nintendo releasing cuter electric mouse Pokémon. I bet if Ceruledge was Ash's Pokémon, it would have become as popular as Greninja.
So what's the deal with this artist, bisexual dude or just a woman?
>>58300614>>58300647>>58300059Why are we not allowed to compare adaptations? The topic is about having a new protag every gen.
>>58301970I am the first reply and you're completely missing the point. The schizoid is constantly dragging other franchises into the discussion out of nowhere to scream how it's bad (while weirdly accusing anyone to be a Yu-Gi-Oh or Digimon fan unprompted), pointedly ignoring that Pokemon itself had new protagonists in virtually every other media they've published and literally nobody had a problem with it mixing them up every gen, both not getting the point while simultaneously highlighting the issue by being so unaware of keeping a stale figureface.The anime is just following suit after a long while. If Pokemon has those examples then dragging other IPs into it just muddies the water.
>>58301993>pointedly ignoring that Pokemon itself had new protagonists in virtually every other media they've publishedOnly in the game and manga.I already explained how anime and games differ. No Pokémon manga has matched Ashnime's popularity or become a bestseller.
>>58301574>trademarkedThat's not the case at all. Ash still makes minor token appearances like his trophy in Smash Bros but he's not iconic enough like Pikachu to be a real character.>>58301605>Why did Greninja succeed while others failed? Answer: Greninja is also iconic and able to exist on his own as an icon unlike Ash.That's the difference between them and Ash. They're popular and iconic enough to exist as themselves instead of as only an anime character.
>>58302600The anime has been using new protagonists for a long time now and still gone on. BW Ash was not DP Ash, XY Ash was not BW Ash, and SM Ash was not XY Ash. All they needed was Pikachu to keep it held together.
That's a lot of seething, no new episode today?
>>58302762We haven't had an episode in 9,113 days.
How bad is the character regression BW onward? I’m watching the anime since it’s almost fully subbed now and I really like how much he grows in OS. He gets shit on a lot for being a complete newbie but it’s nice to see him get some wins.
>>58302825The character progressing from OS -> AG -> DP -> XY feels very natural, with BW being this weird ooc moment that even feels like it addresses itself towards the end with Satoshi promising himself to get his shit together.After XY it just goes straight to hell and makes so little sense even Rica had to headcanon it as discontinuity.
>>58302842BW can be rationalized kinda with Ash (A) not having planned to stay in Unova initially, what with him going first as part of a trip; (B) being in a foreign country for the first time and getting in his own head; (C) lots of bad luck; and (D) Ash recognizing his lower League placement and chastising himself shows an acknowledgement of his own failure. So, XY comes across as him intentionally trying to not make the same mistakes and be more focused.
>>58302825It's not so much regression, aside from BW where Ash is uncharacteristically retarded. It's more like they started re-inventing the show (and, by extension, Ash) every few years. Whereas OS-DP maintained a certain sense of continuity, it became far looser and more sporadic after that. It feels like references to older seasons are made for the sake of the audience, not the characters.Ash keeps his basic character traits, but different series emphasize and de-emphasize certain ones to fit whatever direction they take the story in. It feels like they were only keeping Ash around to avoid the risk of starting from scratch with a character who has different motivations and goals.
>>58302937>uncharacteristically retarded>uncharacteristically
>>58302842SM was a mistake, the show should've just ended after XY.
>>58302983SM is great though
>>58302983If it ended with XY, then as >>58302900 explained, BW could be justified as a trial for Ash, where he got too comfortable after his DP showing. That is, you need to be knocked down hard to motivate you the most to strive for the peak. That said, ending with DP would've felt more natural imo.
>>58302983Ending at XY would have sucked. It's well-written but it doesn't feel anything like a culmination of Ash's journey. Too much Mega and Greninja shilling, not enough Pikachu kino.
>>58302983XY is completely disconnected from every series that came before it, ending it there would've been a terrible idea.
Why did they tease Ash's dad appearing only for him to never show up?
>>58303009>>58303106Dumb SMshitters.
>>58303106>JN is completely disconnected from every series that came before it, ending it there would've been a terrible idea.Correct, which is why it's bizarre that they did.
>>58303123Because Yuyama and Yajima can't commit to big moments, that's why.
>>58300986>Ash's Pikachu is iconicAsh's Pikachu was so legendary, they copied his DP moveset for HGSS. Enshrined forever as one of the greatest...There are so many great moments with him, emotional moments and also fight scenes like fighting Electivire or TapuKoko. Pikachu is a mascot species, but Ash's Pikachu was a special rat.
>>58303130I don't care all that much for SM, honestly. I'm just saying.>>58303137How was JN disconnected from the prior shows?
>>58303230>ash's pikachu is level 1488Kanto for kantonians.
>>58303908>has a lv 88 pokemon>still can't beat a first gym on his first tryKantobros...
Pokemon needed more beach episodes.
>>58304369Pokemon has shit tier waifus. Not only are all of them at least 8 years too young, they're also mid as hell.
>>58304436Sure, they're shit if you only care about the ten-year-olds. But when you consider:>Flannery>Gardenia>Lucy>Lusamine>Elesa>SkylaThat's a different ball game. You could even find some legitimately good waifus in COTDs.
>>58304495>we could have had all these pokebabes and shipwarring that's actually tasteful>but instead we're stuck with 10 year old bitchless main charactersgod... fucking... damn it...
>>58304495I ship Skyla with Ash because they had the same dub VA, so the BW episodes sounded like Ash getting bullied by himself.
>>58303123Because he was right there the whole time
>>58302937>It feels like they were only keeping Ash around to avoid the risk of starting from scratch with a character who has different motivations and goals.Which turned out to be the right decision considering how poorly written Alain, Goh, Liko and Roy turned out to be.
Hm... How amusing, the first 2 seasons of the Ashnime predicted the future:>Ancient-Alakazam vs Ancient-Gengar vs Ancient-Jigglypuff episode double-predicted G-Max and Paradoxmons>Crystal Onyx episode predicted TerastallizationSo based on this, I wouldn't be surprised that GF would implement Petoneiric Forms or something. Talking about that Mismagius ep from Diamond and Pearl season.
>>58306712Capsule monsters were originally supposed to be kaiju so thats all just a callback.
>>58305611The chuuni executive sabotaged those characters because he didn't want them being better than his OC Ash
