>Play Legends Z-A for 13 hours straight>Have a lot of funI wonder what the Internet is saying>YouTubers hate it>Twitter hates it>4chan hates it>Nobody seems to present a reason why they hate it>Everyone just calls it bad and implies that the reasons why are self-evidentUhWhat's the problem with the game?Is this about the graphics? Yeah, the graphics are lazy in many places.But, are there, like, any actual *meaningful* complaints besides that?
>>58472147The problem is it's just alright. After 30 hours you'll hit a wall and the game will be kind of annoying and repetitive. It actually feels like a down grade from legends arc in many ways.
>>58472147The majority of side missions, even in the late game, are tutorials
>>58472147Tell us what's good about it please. Graphics and art direction are not, glad we agree, but what's good ?
>>58472157I'm 85 hours in and don't agree at all. Arceus battle system was genuinely awful ZA's is at least decently fun. The only major thing about Arcues I feel I may prefer ultimately is the shiny hunting. Arceus hit the right balance of shiny pokemon being common but with less control and the rare chance of a shiny alpha. ZA is actually too easy and upping alpha spawn chance from 2% to 5% has made them feel a lot less special.
It is a shitty game and you are just in the honeymoon phase.
>>58472212I'm already getting tired of just seeing the city and walking around an area that all looks the same. The wild zones feel so meh and taking the exploration aspect out of pokemon makes it feel so hallow. It really feels like they tried to do the least amount of work to get a product out they knew would sell anyways.
>>58472147Also the traveling the city is shit and consists of fast travel and jog. At least in SV you could fly jump and climb around to explore. Here I fall off the side of a building turn around and cant jump the five feet back up a ledge cause it isn't sloped. Its dumb and lazy and insulting. They can fucking make a better game and choose not to cause they know they dont have to.
>>58472147>charizard
99% of the people hating the game haven't played it
Yeah, I’ve been enjoying it enough. I’ve been recommended a few YouTube videos with titles like “oh my god this Pokémon game killed my entire family” and I don’t really get it. Okay it’s not as good as Arceus but it’s still one of the best Pokémon experiences made so far. On Switch 2 the game runs and feels good to play. I know that’s the bare minimum, but after Scarlet Violet I consider that a win. Game Freak are going in the right direction with the Legends games but they’ve got to stop making them so damn repetitive. The do mission, go home, do mission, go home format is so boring, they did it in Arceus and it sucked there too. Make it feel like an adventure, and if you want us to hang with a bunch of characters 24/7, try to make them appealing and not annoying as fuck at the very least. The dancing girl is the only one I like. But yeah, there’s a lot of room for improvement.
>>58472212>85 hours in>game has been out for 144 hoursHoly shit anon
>>58472147Genuinely the first unequivocally good mongame since bw2
>>58472147The fuck are you saying literally everyone loves this game
>>58472147This you?
>>58472361this is everybody who got scammed by turd freak>I AM HAVING FUN WITH FECES, WHY DO YOU HATE THE FECES YOU RETARDS?!
>Legends Arceus is fun>Scarlet Violet sucks>Legends Z-A is funCan they just stop the 'main series' games and only do Legends now. I'm tired of gyms and the turn based system.
>feces Arceus is fun>Scat Vomit sucks>Feces Z-A is fun>Can they just stop the 'main series' games and only do feces now. I'm tired of gyms and the turn based system.
>>58472235Please tell me why? Give a reason other than graphics or an opinion you got from a content creator
>>58472207I like the new gameplay. Using my best move and then using other moves while waiting for the cooldown to end so I can use it again is a lot more fun than turn-based combat.I like the gameplay loop. Catch Pokemon and level up during the day, kick Trainers' asses at night. "Earn points until you can challenge the next person standing in your way" is very No More Heroes, and I like it.Kinda surprised by how they managed to make each Wild Area feel unique. A big open circular area with few obstacles feels waaaaay different from an area with a river and bridges, etc.I'm enjoying nearly every aspect of it. I genuinely don't get the hate.
>>58472361Unironically, that image is how I feel. I'm having fun and everyone else is telling me I'm not supposed to be having fun, but I'm still having fun anyway.
>Unironically, that image is how I feel. I'm having fun with feces and everyone else is telling me I'm not supposed to be having fun with feces, but I'm still having fun with feces anyway.
@58472406do you have a scat fetish or something
>>58472147>But, are there, like, any actual *meaningful* complaints besides that?Many, you just convieniently ignore them for the bait thread.
>>58472410Point them out please
>>58472412trash ass mega evolutionssmall as fuck city, no explorationrepetitive as fuck areasLE DARK ZOULS gameplay
>>58472166It's entirely this:>>58472293Think about it this way: shitposting about a game, spending hours reading about it and watching a bunch of people going into vapors about how they can't believe people are having fun is entirely free. So you get people like>>58472361>>58472406who really will only be entertained if the game is bad. If it isn't bad, the time they've spent means nothing and they're forced to realize nobody is laughing with them. Add grifters that like to keep people hooked on free social media and you've got a nasty little feedback loop that keeps these people online but alone, which makes them spend more time online with the grifters.
>>58472361He's a better man for making this tweet btw
>>58472444Because really, you and I know that someone that posts (or says) anything like this:>>58472424>>58472388>>58472372>>58472235would get eviscerated in polite company. This is their kingdom of laughter where the grapes are decreed sour.
>>58472424>don’t use megas>City definitely isnt that small>rooms for exploration>dark souls Just like I imagined. You got your opinion from a YouTuber. Please kindly return it and comeback with your own
>>58472424There is more exploration in ZA than any of the Switch Pokemon games. Maneuvering between some of the rooftop layouts to reach a specific point can actually require a little thinking, something you never needed in any of those other games.
>>58472457This gardevoir is the cutest
>>58472412You've already mentioned the embarassingly bad graphicsNot a single building in A FUCKING CITY has an enterior. The game takes place in a maze with (bad) window dressing. X and Y had more city in Lumiose than the game that has a city as it's entire setting.Combat is incredibly underbaked and experimental. You can destroy the game by simple clicking anything that's off cooldown.Designs for the new megas are a humiliation ritual.The world is dead and lifeless. Everyone is a stationary cardboard cutout which exists to hand you invisible items.Side missions are nonexistant. Literally "show me ___" or "go here" and you are rewarded with things you can find on the ground.Story is asscakes. No just because it's always been ass doesn't somehow negate this issue. They should be fixing shortcomings not using them as justification for them continuing to exist.>B-but I'm having fun!toddlers have fun with plastic cups, doesn't mean plastic cups should be hailed as good entertainment and sold for $70 with day one DLC for the $30 sippy cup lid and only avaliable on the $200 special plastic cup holder.
>>58472469The city in XY was the biggest piece of shit in history. It was so bad that it could lock you out of your save file.
The real time combat is abysmal. Everything has a 2 second cast time except for priority moves. If you're going to make an action game, make an action game. This is the worst parts of both worlds.
>>58472458>>58472444>>58472457>cope the thread >>58472299the emulator was released earlier thats probably how he managed to get 85 hours in and im not hearing the excuses that the pvp is fun because it's just going to also hit a wall of boredom and repetitiveness and the fact that /vp/ can't just accept the fact that their game is mediocre and not some amazing game regardless opinion or how many times they cry grifter it really doesn't change it
>>58472469> The world is dead and lifeless. Everyone is a stationary cardboard cutout which exists to hand you invisible items.Ok you just exposed yourself for not playing the game lol. Wrap it up give your opinion back the content creator.
honestly, just build new teams, even not fully evolved, I found it refreshing way to tackle tera raids this way, so here should be the same
>>58472469>The world is dead and lifeless. Everyone is a stationary cardboard cutout which exists to hand you invisible items.I swear those faggots here play only pokemon, every jrpg city is like this
>>58472516People expected fucking GTA from Pokémon.
>>58472488nta the city is honestly lifeless even if u have npcs in the game that do prerendered walking cycles and chatting animation it gets boring after an hour it's just not natural and feel like its background noise than an actual city feeling and the fact that most buildings are pngs without any interiors besides sides quest and main story just kind of kills that illusion there's only so much before it just gets stale and not really immersive or interesting anymore
I found a video of OP.
>>58472516every jrpg isn't the most valuable intellectual property on planet earth
>>58472147You're a Disney Adult
>>58472526>>58472516then don't call the map the most immersive or the greatest then no one would have a problem with anything, but we can't ignore that the city is extremely dull besides the keypoint areas but if you can show me an interesting wild area that isn't cemetery i will contradict what i said about wild areas and no picture screenshots i don't care about, you're carefully cherry-picked spots >>58472516>People expected gtacome on anon no one ever did that, people are expecting an actual decent game that doesn't get stale after a few couple of hours
>>58472627Unironically, if I had that room, I'd be so happy.
>>58472627it's like the manchild version of the bat cave.
>>58472701even if you're genuine or this is bait i don't really think i would live in a room with rgb blaring in eyes let alone constant electricity flowing and i would not want to be the type of person who wakes up to an electric bill that exceeds above $100,000s
>>58472361IS THATCHARIZARDFROMGEN1 KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>58472627>those last seconds with a 40 year old guy playing on the couch like a le cutesy KIDthis is cringe af
>>58472147Wait until you find out weak and fsat moves are OP and 3x better than 1 powerful attack.
>>58472484>/vp/ is happy with a new pokemon game>people still want /vp/ to already start shitting on it before the ones that actually want to play decide for themselves.>the echo chamber must persist to hate what we're all here to supposedly enjoythis is retarded. how many other boards have to make enjoying their namesake ironic bullshit instead of just accepting the imperfections? yes the game was lazy af but there are people who still shit on arceus as the worst game TO THIS DAY. i know we're not all the same fucking anons but there is not enough push back of actual enjoyment here. BUT MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAMES.
Try playing on a Switch 1 and then tell me if you're still having fun.
>>58472895I'm playing on a Switch 1 and I'm having fun. I've had a steady framerate, not buttery smooth but no other Switch Pokemon game has been smooth either. There have been no problems.
>>58472885>just enjoy feces games, anon. Shut up and let me play with feces, despite you wishing for a better game, I don't give a fuck. I am happy with my feces, and you should be as well. Fuck off, you know they are never making a good game, so why not enjoy the feces.
>>58472911>you know they are never making a good gameand you know they won't until nobody buys it at all. that won't happen because it's a series meant for children and children don't give a fuck. pokemon has always been feces. sometimes less feces than normal but if you want a more "serious" game plenty of jrpgs exist and romhacks from people who decided to "fix the problem." also posting audino when the game started literally feeding you exp bags to hunt is pottery.
>>5847290530fps dipping into the 20s at some times shouldn't be acceptable in 2025, even less for a game that looks like this one.
>>58472929ok feces eater and playeryou should cope with the fact that people aren't supposed to just eat the feces because YOU do, retard.
>>58472943>pokemon is feces because i say so.>it's that bad guys>you don't understand guys>i SUFFERED just looking at the designs for children guys>guys?>WHY ARE YOU HAVING FUN?!you're gay lol
>>58472157I agree. Legends Arceus had its rough edges but the atmosphere, sense of intrigue with mission progression, and the basic loop of expeditions kept me engaged unlike anything else in the Switch era. I’m enjoying PLZA well enough but the comparison to PLA isn’t favorable. For two easy examples, the player character’s animations and movement felt much more fluid in PLA, and I never had to deal with being pulled out of what I was doing (most noticeable with PLZA’s alpha battles) due to the day/night cycle
>>58472957looks like you want retards who suck shit out of GF's ass unconditionally like you do, so reddit should be where you belong.
>>58472931>30fps dipping into the 20s at some times shouldn't be acceptable in 2025PLA ran at like 20 fps dipping into 10, so Z-A is an improvement. Most importantly, the gameplay is fun. And I'm not a graphics whore.
>feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces we get it you have a scat fetish
>>58472469There are a few buildings and areas with an actual interior. But most of the shops don't have one which is really lame to be honest. I know it's technically a waste of resources to do it but it's charming.
>>58473005>deflectingI am not playing with the feces and enjoying them, you all are.
>>58472157I found PLA boring as fuck and ZA having a bigger focus on actually battling/using your Pokemon was a huge upgrade.
the fact that you repeatedly use the word feces as a substitute for actual criticisms of the game implies you have a scat fetish
>>58472984That's like improving from dog shit to human shit: it's still shit. And no, the gameplay isn't fun at all.
>>58473039>NO I WON'T GIVE YOU A REPLYfuck off and kill yourself
>>58472981>acting like you have superior tastes>it's all feces though>but MY taste in feces isn't like yoursagain, this is a children's series xir. i'm not saying you can't criticize it but if someone is enjoying it you don't have to hate them for it when we're on all on /vp/ because we SHOULD ENJOY POKEMON. idk why you're here if all you want to do is hate everyone that's having fun. like step away from the keyboard if all you see is feces Stan, that episode was years ago man.
@58473047you have contributed absolutely nothing of value to this thread
>>58472207Art direction is actually good. Its just overworld graphics that suck.
>>58473043>And no, the gameplay isn't fun at all.Why not? Explain what's wrong with it.
>>58472157Pokemon CORE is being repetitious.
>The game is badWhy?>Because it's fecesOkay, how so?>Because it just is, okaylol alright buddy
>>58473071Here is some GREAT stuff:>Get rid of PP>Pokemon moves does damage to enviorment obstacles>Character designs>Actual worldbuilding>Actual sidequest>Pokemon models and Animations are getting better and better>Mega battles are great and hope this will be the new Raid mechanic.
>>58473104>>58472424which you coped by saying it is a "streamer" issueso kys very very fast, shill
>>58472157Honestly yeah I'm 40 hours into the game now and I'm kind of just wanting it to end now.
>>58472911You're the type of person that has melties whenever Gen 5 is criticized, aren't you?
>>58472212>85 hoursThe hell have you even been doing? I've done just about everything in half that time, and I thought I was taking it slow.
>THE GAME IS BAD BECAUSE IT HAS SHIT GRAPHICS>now excuse me while I screech about BW2 being le peak despite the objectively fucking horrible looking sprites that have a single cheap tweening animation>THE GAME IS BAD BECAUSE THE EXPLORATION SUCKS>now excuse me while I screech about BW2 being le peak with roadblocks spammed in literally every corner of the region>THE GAME IS BAD THE COMBAT IS UNDERBAKED AND REPETITIVE>now excuse me while I screech about BW2 being le peak even though the whole game can literally be beaten by clicking the STAB button in the menu with your starterI don’t even care that people are shitting on the game. What annoys me is the blatant inconsistent standards. If you want to call the game terrible, that’s fine. But don’t turn around and tell me even worse games are magically better because you played them as a drooling child.
>>58473195I think Z-A is great and BW2 is the peak of the series.t. 40 year old originalfag
>>58472147>What's the problem with the game?imo it’s mainly price
>>58472147>are there, like, any actual *meaningful* complaints besides that?There are, but pokecucks are consoomers who don't actually want to ask questions, just CONSOOM product, then get excited for next product (there are already cucks salivating for B/W remakes to this day)Imported Cheese was right btwhttps://youtu.be/pSMjT4TEbWc
The people who defend the state of modern Pokémon are like women who rate 6/10 in attraction - and semi regularly get fucked by Chad while holding on to the delusion that the relationship between them is a supportive and loving oneChad/thePokemonCompany need only text once a month so he can tell the girl/pokefan to take them to the movies/buy the gameBeing in her luteal phase of the month/sentimental cycle of nostalgia - the woman/pokefan overwhelmed by tingles - trips over themselves to cancel all of their plans to make the date happen and they gladly pay any amount asked of chad/thePokemonCompanyAfter the movie/purchasing the new slop, Chad/thePokemonCompany proceeds to sodomize the woman/pokefan in theater parking lotChad/thePokemonCompany - is further empowered/disgusted by the stark absence of self respect and standards from the girl/pokefanThe woman/pokefan ends up having to call an UberOn the ride back home - anus still pulsating/throbbing - the girl/pokefan daydreams and reminiscences about all the goofy goober adventures chad/thePokemonCompany has provided/ass pulled for themThe dumb slut/pokefaggot - exhausted - passes out on the bed satisfiedBut not before creating an account for the user media rating website - Metacritic - and rating Pokémon Legends Arceus ZA a 10/10
It always boils down too>well I personally like itor >That's always been shit so it's fine that it's shit this time tooThat means my arguments can be equally weak, so.I think it's shitA $70 product made by a hundred billion dollar super corp should fix the things that are shit. so I'm not gonna buy it.
>>58472444>Still has a pic of gramps up on the wallCute...
>>58472885The best we can do to not be treated like ass by Nintendo is to not to buy their shitty games, even more if it's something that is just insulting the franchise.The haters are loud and are complaining loudly because they want (YOU) to not buy it, because if Gamefreak sees success with this, it'll embolden them to make much more sloppy games. But apart from that you're right, I didn't play it. I didn't need to waste my money for time for this.
>>58473245>ho rate 6/10 in attraction - and semi regularly get fucked by Chad while holding on to the delusion that the relationship between them is a supportive and loving onejust kill yourself faggot
>>58473274Too late fag, should have said something when you supported BW being a full downgrade from HGSS.
>>58473291Ugly women have no value or place in human society They never haveModern technology has given them too much power
>>58473104Plenty of people posted exactly why and detailled to you exactly why it's so shit >>58472469You enjoyed it, that's ok, there will always be a small minority. Most people see the obvious downgrade that Z-A really is. For the money and time you have put into the game you should be getting much more out of it. At the very least it would probably encourage Nintendo if the game flopped.
>>58472147I hope the game continues to sell well and break the minds of the internet troons, because I can guarantee even IF Gamefreak made a 10/10 game people would still find a reason to complain or they'll come out with the classic "I'm not the biggest fan but xyz.." so there's no point in trying to please the chronically outraged. Just laugh at them.
>>58473295what are you talking about schizo?
>>58473324Are you ESL?
>>58473317I agree, you just don't have to be such a faggot about all of it
>>58473321>comparing ZA to a 10/10you're delusional.
>>58473338>he thinks I compared ZA to a 10/10your reading comprehension is garbage holy fuck nigga
>>58473333What do you mean?>don't have to be such a faggot about all of itI hit a nerve? What do you mean?Was I being cruel?
This debate is so fucking stupid, either you're worshipping GF’s next dose of slop or you despise ZA as if it killed your wife and firstborn in front of you. There’s no ‘eh, it’s alright’, you have to be part of either extreme.How can people not understand that the game is far from perfect but is still quite the improvement compared to the other pokemon games on switch? It’s a solid 6/10 game.Wouldn’t get it for $70 though, I emulated it for free
>>58473321you have shit taste anon
It has a lot of fun conceptual ideas. I really enjoyed it. But Gamefreak needs a kick in the ass. The quality of pretty much everything presentation-wise (graphics, performance, animations, etc.) should be much higher considering how ridiculously profitable the franchise is. Music still great though.
>>58473356cry more little baby redditor
>>58473351>>58473245You are such a faggot
>>58473363reddit loves this game though?
>>58473366Hmm(What are my options now?)(The anon never explained...)(Probably best not to assume...)Guess I'll continue being a faggot on 4chin!Great exchange anon
>>58472147I think the core issue of this game in particular:> that is it?? we waited an extra year for this???
>>58473352By the game's own merits, yeah, it's probably a 5/10 if we base it all on the gameplay and nostalgia factor. But, people shouldn't be encouraging Gamefreak to make sloppier and sloppier 70$ scam "games". Buying these games encourages more shit to come. We have had better, and now the only way to make multi-billion corporations listen is if we publically piss on their products and decide to not buy them.
>>58473399I agreeBut I believe they need to move asideThe Pokémon Company is meanThey keep shutting down any competition in the monster taming genreThey're like Cronos/Saturn in that Greek myth where he eats the Olympians to prevent their influence in the world
>>58472207Something I haven't seen discussed is that the writing both character and plot is very good.
>>58472147Yes, the graphics are bad but the game’s worst flaw is how unimmersive it is. Everything feels fake, the roster isn’t cohesive, the world and its inhabitants are a soulless plastic version of what Pokemon used to be. Combat is alright but needs polishing
>>58472293what about the 1% that played it and say it's fun, but hate it because it's $70 fun.
>>58473436I urge you to please read a book.
>>58473481Do you have anything more substantial to say?
Fast traveling is convenient and all, but this is THE game where the BICYCLE would have made so much fucking sense. Where is the god damn Bike in this game?! I would have enjoyed zipping up and down the streets way more than bringing up the map and fast traveling.
>>58473489mega bicycle DLC is about to drop in February
>>58473488What’s there to say? You’re literary ignorant and need to deepen your understanding of what makes good writing, something you won’t find in a Pokemon game. Read a book, nigger.
>>58473274The problem here is that it is a good game that I would like to see more of so I'm not boycotting it. Simultaneously a bunch of retarded hivemind people like (you) insist the game is bad and your only exposure to it is clickbait YouTubers farming views from doing dishonest critiques of it when they haven't played it either
>>58473506So no then, just irrelevant appeals to a perceived authority. I'm confident you should take your own advice if this is how you want to converse.
>>58472147Most of the roster has access to the same movepools, so all pokemon feel the same in that sense. Not enough variety in movesets when every mon can all learn the same TM. Roster isn't diverse enough either, there's like 10 Grass pokemon, but let's call it 9 because the fucking grass monkey doesn't count. It's a downer because I like to have a grass type in most of my playthroughs but I don't like the ones they give us in this game.
>>58473507Maybe your little fantasy where haters couldn’t possibly have played the game is just that, a fantasy. The game is subpar compared to what we’d expect from a multibillion dollar franchise and people are rightfully pissed because GF keeps shitting down our throats knowing shit eaters like you will buy it anyway.
the game is good. cope.
>>58473512You do you. If you want to keep being ignorant of what constitutes a good story that’s your problem.
>>58473535What do you want the game to be like then?
it's also good to keep in mind some of these people just have a tinge of the 'tism lolonce they have an opinion they can't understand you till it's your opinion
>>58473557Immersive, I want them to at least give a singular thought to the ecosystem like they used to. I want the towns to feel lived in, the NPCs to act like actual human beings. I wish they’d polish the combat system and hired competent 3D artists and coders so the games aren’t the janky, ugly pieces of shit we have now. Give the game more than a miserable 20 million dollar budget and let someone who actually likes the franchise and understands Tajiri’s vision direct it.
>>58472469>enterior
>>58472147>Nobody seems to present a reason why they hate itThere are, you just refuse to acknowledge it and pretend to be retarded so you can argue in bad faith.
>>58473600Explain like a big boy why it's a bad game.
>>58473605>”duuude just tell me what’s bad about it!”>proceeds to ignore anyone who does
the game is shit. cope.
>>58473605You just say they got their opinions from streamers
Just finished the game and am working on the living dex. Anyone who says this is a bad entry is absolutely without a doubt a rival corporate malign influence actor on a chinese payroll.
>>58473507of course the haters played it. It's free.
>>58472469>>58473318Having more building interiors wouldn't have made the game any better for you though. It seems like one of many complaints made for the sake of it.It's going to be real funny seeing these retarded complaints for the BW remakes.>HUUURR I can't enter every apartment on every floor of this apartment complex. Come on. Get it together billion dollar corporation
>>58473625I've asked anons to explain like 10 times and I've never gotten an answer. So are you ready to act like a big boy and use your words?
>>58473651Not even gta did all the buildings. Complainers are ridiculous sometimes.
>>58473657the megas suckthat should be enough reasonsince it is a POKEMON gameI don't give a fuck about your npcs or pokegirls, just give me good pokemon, but no, megas are trash
>>58473678>the VIDEO GAME sucks because i don't like the handful of new designsThanks for playing.
>>58473678the designs have really grown on me
It has become clear this is either poor quality bait or an imbecile who cannot be convinced of anything. As such further discussion is pointless. He will buy the slop and beg for more. I and many others will not because we recognize it is of poor quality. Either the game will succeed or undersell, which would still be a success because they spent pennies to make it, but at least a sharp drop in sales would send a message that this level of quality is unacceptable, and potentially drive them to improve the series. If it sells as per usual, the series will continue to piddle about in mediocrity growing worse and worse with each entry, the remaining fanbase will continue to praise it, and we who don't view such trash as worth $10 let alone the $70 or $80 it'll cost will move on with our lives playing better games. An unfortunate loss for a series with such potential, but far from the only one. I can still enjoy the older games and luckily play alot more than just pokemon, so it isn't a huge loss. I haven't bought a game since sun/moon so I'm already at piece with it being dead, it's just a shame to see it die so wretchedly.
>>58473697>WAAAAHHHHH IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT IT DOESN'T COUNT, YOU HAVE A SHIT OPINION AND MY GAME IS GOLDENdie.
>>58473709>He played the garbage that is gen 6 and 7lol, talk about blowing yourself the fuck out.
>>58473709You thought it was ok for the older games to be mediocre? Curious.
>>58473711You can't even explain why you think the game is bad.
>>58473716They sucked ass and I regret it, but I foolishly had some optimism back in X/Y days and hoped the next games would be good. They weren't, so I stopped buying them after that.
>>58473709Explain in your own words why the game is bad.
>>58473723So you haven't played the games since 2013 but you're still spending your time hanging around a dedicated board?
>>58473726I still like the first 4 games in the series, the pokemon, and the setting. This board isn't exclusively about the newest entry. Though I don't usually spend alot of time here on the offseason. I mostly pop in around new releases to see what's going on and maybe meme about some.
>The game is bad.Have you played it?>No, I wouldn't buy a bad game.Then how do you know it's bad?>Because it's bad.I think you guys have just estbalished that you have zero credibility.
>OP is so good baiter he is gonna get a full threadbased retard
>>58473722>>58473724explain in your own words why the game is good
>>58473747I didn't make the claim it was good. You made the claim it was bad. So explain why.
>>58472392>I'm the only poster in the thread who typed out why he enjoys the game>Nobody respondedVery telling.
>game just bad ok? grug not like to explain
I wish we had thread IDs
>>58473750Cus it’s easier for these faggots to post “game bad” and not elaborate. They’re not here for the good they just wanna spread negativity cus they can’t form opinions. Just ones from content creator. Good read tho I’ve enjoyed the game too
both legends games are midslop. people praised PLA for being something new and that's the only thing it had going for it. now people are hating on ZA because it's not a brand new concept like PLA anymore. if ZA had released first, it would be much better received.
>>58472627How much fat fuck Gengar porn does this man commission from furry artists?
>>58472627jfc, how does someone like this have that much money to blow?
>>58472147I'm 100% certain the anti-pokemon campaign is just another conservative run propaganda campaign especially with how YT and twitter's algorithms are greatly favoring attacking Pokemon and Nintendo these days given the people in charge. The fact that anti threads here try to leverage culture war cancer is another smoking gun.We are not allowed to have a bread or circus under their rule.
>>58474023Some of the most obvious examples>>58466161>>58473444
Only gen 7 and 8 represent the absolute nadir of this series for me and I probably wouldn't enjoy XY so much nowadays since a lot of that game was carried by its stellar online implementation.Despite the technical issues and numerous missteps, SV, PLA and ZA have been the most fun I've had with this series for a long time.
>>58474023Kinda. But also just algorithms has destroyed whatever level headed discussion we had on any topic. People are more reactive and angry than ever
>>58474319Agree, I feel hopeful about the future of the franchise. The games PLA onwards aren't perfect, but I think they're really fun and show a lot of promise. Their ideas are in the right place it just needs a little polish
>>58472147The game has a weird learning curve. At first I was expecting something closer to Legends Arceus and felt dissapointed. Then I played more and learned to appreciate the game for what it's going for. I'm around 30 hours in (just beat the 2nd batch of Rogue Megas) and have really enjoyed just doing sidequests, getting to A rank online, exploring and so on.As for people hating it, it's probably just reflexive hate. But the game is fun, but also easy to hate if you only play 1-2 hours or watch it online. You have to give it a real chance to see it's value. There are valid complaints but they're more gameplay and design related. But it is absolutely fun and worth your money if the premise of the game sounds cool to you imo
>>58472298The irony is that they're like 6 years late, they should've been doing this for SwSh. PLZA is actually really fun and doesn't deserve the crticism. Not that it's perfect by any means, but it is fun.
>>58472147Just beat it, this game was pretty kino.I haven't had this much fun with a pokemon game in a long time.
>>58472469>The world is dead and lifeless.You havent played the game. As you catch new mons and pass story more and more people come to city.
>>58474023It’s been popular to shit on Pokemon since at least ORAS, newfag.
>>58473195Why are you shitting on bw2 kek, I love that game and also PLA and PLZA
>>58474404>It’s been popular to shit on Pokemon since at least ORAS, Revisionism at its finest.
>>58474023>no i can't be that people won't tolerate slop, it must be those pesky conservatives
I saw some nippon on twitter still care about pokemon's nature. Why tho? There are mint shops around the city.
>>58474468Autism. Mint doesn't change the text.
>>58472627can't be because OP is clearly brown.
>>58474023>God forbid people excpect more from the highest grossing media franchiseStop being a cuck
>>58474498Why should people expect more?
>>58473481The average book is toilet paper.
Game is mediocre slop but there's a bunch of outrage farming content creators that targeted it because of easy algorithm pulls. Other lesser tubers see the trend and jump on the bandwagon. That one Frogmire guy that reviewed it for example didn't even know there was an Act 3 in Silksong before putting out a video trashing it, they don't give a fuck about the series they just want the engagement.
>>58474023>Brings politics and blames right wingers out of nowhere of why people hate his shitty gameLeast obsessed leftoid
>>58472207An underrated aspect I've found is just how genuinely good the OST is. >but Pokémon always has solid musicSolid, sure, but only rarely is it actually memorable enough for me to find myself humming it, and even rarer to find myself listening to it voluntarily. It's astonishingly good, and I find myself wanting to play the game with the volume on more often than not. I didn't feel this way with PLA, SV, and definitely not SWSH. Also, Alphas. Their implementation here is great and I think they make the whole game more fun because at no point do i ever find myself thinking "sweet i can finally continue with my team" until I get an alpha for a pokemon I want. Spending a few hours at zone 8 getting an alpha gible for my team early on was really fun.
>>58472298>The do mission, go home, do mission, go home format is so boringI only found that to be an issue when I was pushing through the story and not exploring. Getting an objective that they tried to present as time sensitive and then immediately fucking off to go check out a new sidequest or wild zone was great. Sidequest rewards are great too, and they help me complete the dex. Each new zone was fun to see because I didn't know what I would find. Populations were small for each zone, but that meant every zone feels distinct, which is nice. I just wish some Pokémon were obtainable earlier, like Aron or Litwick.
>>58474676I like it when the Alphas provide more context to the area too, like that Houndoom that gets alerted by the pups or that Alpha Salamence guarding a group of Bagons.The randoms spawns are cool too but the fixed ones manage to add some genuine flavour in some places.
>>58474690Yep. I'm 30 hours in despite only just having calmed down the 2nd batch of rogue megas
>>58474468Nipnogs are even bigger consoomers than the swarthiest of western pokecucks, they unironically ching-chang out if they get spoiled on a mega or have to acknowledge that the Leaks even happened
>>58474709It's also a great way of getting certain Pokémon early or without grinding, which really, really helps. There's also a great sense of progression to the game because of them as well. The aforementioned houndoom is a fucking NIGHTMARE your first time around, but coming back later on and just hollow purpling him is a nice feeling. Each zone having new alphas was something I genuinely looked forward too, and I really, really hope that they move them outside of the legends series and into mainline someday. I really don't know why "pokemon but le big" is so cool to me
>>58472147>What's the problem with the game?most the wild areas are tiny hallways or single rooms and can catch everything by machine gunning ultra balls at everything for 30 seconds because they all have only 5 unique pokemon eachcombat is devoid of any depth, its just who can mash attacks out fasteststory and dialogue may be the most boring GF has put out yet, characters are so shit and just yammer on whilst saying nothing99% of side quest are a battle, or you bringing a pokemon to someone, its lazyclothes shops being split into 20 sperate vendors that all hold 4 items each is getting kind of annoying when i want to find something in particular they dropped too many concepts that made arceus good and the opinion the game is mad shit is also not helped by the first 2 hours being actually a genuine shitty slog
>>58474778it's funny you think PLA was any different.
I am a big fan of XY and I truly dislike what this game does. Gameplay wise it feels equal parts fast-paced and shallow, which rewards mashing whatever's off cooldown. I've beaten the game and found it to be very unfun. I liked Jacinthe though, and shiny hunting is quicker, but I don't really like alphas or shinies so that isn't a big point for me. The fashion is limited and boring, and there are a lot of little things I don't enjoy, like having to remove my thumb from the joystick to switch Pokemon, or going into the menu everytime I want to heal, or not having abilities.
>>58474789yes, it was different.
>>58474801It was worse in every way yeah that kinda different.
>>58472147In general, Twitter loves it. And the subreddit of ZA is full of cock suckers too. What are you talking about?
>>58474798>I am a big fan of XYStopped reading there and post hidden
>>58474830XY had National Dex, free online, and even Pokemon-amie. It also had more songs. Even the buildings looked better and the characters were cuter. Compared to ZA, XY is quite good! I didn't like gen 3, 4, or 5. But I do enjoy gens 1, 2, and 6. And while I've played gens after 6, I don't consider any of them worth mentioning.
The issue is it has some incredibly ugly aspects, and the combat from an outside view looks simplistic and bad, so anyone that doesn't play it is going to see an ugly game with bad combat.Doesn't help that the gamefreak leaks revealed it has a Kickstarter tier budget for no good reason
>>58474517man, what a time to be a poketuber. imagine having to play this thing on stream and pretend like you're enjoying it
>>58472235Nah, that was true of arceus due to its insanely empty world and tedious grinding to level up, but ZA is structured better for replay value with its combat, frequent trainer battles, and simple move upgrade system. It's very easy to blast through the story in ZA or pick and choose the side quests you want to do, and you also never feel like you have to catch pokemon you don't want to.The only thing somewhat hampering its replay value are the sheer number of side quests that will flood the map if you only do the ones with rewards you want.I've tried replaying Arceus twice before, and I always stop playing after around the marsh balm point, because that's when you start getting prevented from advancing until you do more "research", aka grinding battles / catching a bunch of wild Pokémon you've already caught. ZA I can see myself doing a full replay once around the time the dlc comes out.
>>58474954But you are blocked from advancing the story or unlocking new wild areas unless you do battles in ZA as well, I'm not sure why it's okay when ZA does it but bad when PLA does it?
>>58474798>Gameplay wise it feels equal parts fast-paced and shallow, which rewards mashing whatever's off cooldownThe combat is more about setup It would be massively improved if protect and double team had a shorter cooldown, quicker execution, shorter invincibility window, and shorter time before you can attack though. As of right now, especially for double team, there's no good reason to use them unless your opponent has some incredibly long cooldown attack like hyper beam
>>58474954>The only thing somewhat hampering its replay value are the sheer number of side quests that will flood the map if you only do the ones with rewards you want.You don't really need to do any of them to begin with since I'm pretty sure anything they give out becomes available to purchase from various stores as you progress. Like, Racine Construction sells a shitload of hold items and power items can be purchased with shards.
>>58474980The ticket in ZA takes literally 5 minutes to get lmao, and the process to get it are pokemon battles which are fun and level scaled to your progress.Advancing in Arceus sometimes took hours, and the process of doing so was monotonously catching a ton of the same pokemon or battling said same exact pokemon using the same attacks over and over again.
>>58474990There are some tms locked to side quests.
>>58474981I've actually had good success using protect on Absol since it has quite fast cooldown. So I'd Swords Dance and try and get a red attack boost, mega and then mostly one shot stuff. But the protect is useful against the mons it takes to 2 shot like Garchomp. Also Absol is fragile af
I'm glad there are at least some people on /vp/ with enough sanity to see this for the shovelware it is
>>58474997Oh right, I forgot about those.
>>58474981When you say it's about setup, my mind goes to a game like Baldur's Gate 3, where your encounter, environment, abilities, ect are all variables to consider. I find that there's little setup in that regard, maybe less so than the mainline games, with the removal of abilities and the changes to how buffs and debuffs work. Are you talking about PVP in regards to the protect moves? It would be very useless there even with those changes, I think... I've never found a use for it in the game itself. >>58474991Oh, I see. I don't find the battles to be fun and I didn't get challenge tickets in five minutes, so I was curious.
>>58474981Maybe protect moves could benefit from having a shorter recovery and/or cooldown time if you manage to block something. I definitely don't like how long their cooldowns are but it also gives moves with evasive properties more value, though it's pretty dumb how something like U-Turn or Bounce have shorter cooldowns than Protect (12 vs 15).
>>58475017Besides one time the battle zone was an area that was just a ton of verticality and awful to go from trainer to trainer, I don't think there was ever a challenge ticket that took me more than one night to get, and I usually left the battle area with plenty of time to spare too.
>>58472392>Kinda surprised by how they managed to make each Wild Area feel unique. Other than the graveyard and the randomly cold one,. They all feel and look the same
>>58474409No one cared about metacritic user scores when those games were relevant.
>>58475025Yea, fly/bounce and the uturn type moves tend to just be better than protect against everything besides long range beam moves in my experience.Dig unfortunately has too much setup time compared to fly/bounce, but it is very good in multiplayer at finishing off two or three pokemon at once by surprise.
>>58475026In my playthrough, I only got challenge points quickly if I found decent challenge cards while battling, but that didn't happen frequently. Have you ever had a moment where you'd be spotted by a trainer while your Pokemon has already landed an attack? It's odd...
>>58472157>After 30 hours you'll hit a wall and the game will be kind of annoying and repetitive. It happened to me way earlier. Once you play for 10 hours, you've seen everything that the game has to offer and the rest will just be shitty cutscenes with rehashed missions
>>58475048The trick is to launch the attack and then hide while your Pokémon is going to attack. You can still be spotted until the hit lands, but your pokemon is basically invisible to the npcs
>>58475071I will say there is a surprising amount of depth to the move effects, like using moves like megahorn to close gaps before your other physical moves or using moves like Flip Turn to dodge other physical moves. It's nothing groundbreaking but when you get it right it's very satisfying
>>58473592Great answer anon, vague enough to make people think you know what you are saying without saying anything at all. Consider getting a job in journalism.
>>58472147>Graphics>Animations>NPC density>Poor level design>Literally can't do anything else other than talking to people and collecting Poké Balls around>City feels repetitive even in different districts>Same buildings and textures copy pasted everywhere>Can't enter majority of buildings>Only 13m budget allocated>Boring characters not really memorable>No voice acting>Poké Ball and catching aim got worse compared to PLA >No surf in the game>Sewers are literally 2 maps>Can't do anything elseI can continue for hours, need more?
>>58472166And that's a bad thing because...?
>>58473436Eh. I thought it was kinda meh. SVs writing is better.
>>58475405Add also >the inability to use FLY or to ride any Pokémon>can't exploring Lumiose Tower (most symbolic place of Lumiose) even in the endgame>Lumiose Tower destroyed for enviromental propaganda and the place turned in a poorly made wild zoneIt's just fricking repetitive. You just run for hours and do battle in a shitty tournament
>>58472147When I started, I was having a lot of fun. I thought it was cool seeing Trubbish hanging around the city or encountering a group of Scraggy's and their leader in the back of an alley. Knowing it was a Legends game, I created certain expectations for myself. I thought, "Surely the trade link cable is in the game, it would be fun to use Kadabra for once since I'm sure I'll get an Alakazam". I also saw some areas that looked out of reach and thought, "Surely, this is for later when I get to ride a Pokemon or get a summon or something". I was ready for the gameplay to progress, but it kind of just stayed the same outside of a new Rotom glide and a couple of tiny new areas to explore.I got curious and looked up some stuff. Trade link cable? Gone. No bike, no rideable Pokemon, no way to get around faster than how you started the game. In fact, there were no new surprises waiting for me. I still enjoy the battling and I'm gonna finish the game, but man, I can't believe this is just another tech demo instead of a fully realized game. I thought after Arceus Legends, they could expand on that and we'd get something truly fantastic. Instead, they took away many features in exchange for a cool battle system. A battle system that would've been much cooler if there were abilities, mind you.
>>58472212I'm at the 38 hour mark and I am probably 3 hours away from finishing all real content. I just finished 118 side quest and just need to do the 14 or whatever fininite tickets. I finished my dex thanks to candy abuse. All that's left is mindlessly grinding mega shards for stones the 1k battles and mindlessly grinding tickets for the bullshit last story mission. Oh and shiny hunting/PvP. For the record I did like the main game but saying it's good past the 40 hour mark is delusional
>>58472147As expected from a Charizard fag
>>58475037>I was too young to know metacritic existed so I didn’t have a chance to mindlessly shit on them yetFTFY
>>58474409>7.4>HighA 7.4 in 2013 is like a 4.5-5 now. Not knowing that outs you as the underage b&
>>58475810>I’m retarded and don’t know how to readis this the IQ of Z-A detractors?
>>58475827>Z-A detractorsI liked it anon. I'm >>58475721
>>58472147>any actual "meaningful" complaintsLittle/no environmental variety. Entire game takes place in the same city, and the lazily added "wild zones" make this even more apparent because there's no realistic reason for having to catch pokemon in those zones instead of their actual habitats.Little/no exploration. Somewhat an extension of the first point, but also relates to how even within the city you can barely explore anything.Little/no story. Pokemon stories have always been simple, but I still enjoy them, and it being absent here sucks.Still can't catch all the Pokemon. Not even close to all of them.
>>58472293Posts like this are insanely disingenuous. Even if 99% of the people that hate the game haven't played it, why do you think they invest so much time and energy in the franchise in the first place? Do you think they have Pokemon general? Of course they don't.You're talking about people who genuinely WANT to play the game. They love Pokemon and genuinely WANT a reason to get the new game and experience it but know they'll just be underwhelmed, so they don't.
>>58472392>new gameplay.Stopped here.>>58473750I stopped there.These aren't new mechanics.These aren't new mechanics from this decade.These aren't new mechanics from this franchise. Do you play videogames, or just Pokemon?
>>58472516Other JRPG's are absolutely not like this, the fuck
>>58477088Even then, playing the game doesn't fix the issues. It's a catch-22, you don't play the game and it means your opinion is invalidated for not playing it. If you do play the game, it's your own fault for playing something you obviously didn't like, so you should've stopped and shut up. It's just a way to silence criticisms.
What you see on internet is barely 0.01% of the Pokemon fanbase
>>58477088>PLEAAAASE LET ME CONTINUE TO PARROT MY MISINFORMED SHITTY TAKES ABOUT THE GAME I GOT FROM MY FAVORITE YOUTUBERftfy
>You're talking about people who genuinely WANT to play the game. They love Pokemon and genuinely WANT a reason to get the new game and experience it but know they'll just be underwhelmed, so they don't.Biggest cap of the year
>>58472424It's not Dark Souls at all. Arceus was but this plays totally different.
>>58477107I don't see any issue with parroting objective observations from others. Technical/graphical things for example, or critiques about how the game only takes place in a single city and doesn't offer much in terms of environmental variety. Those are all objective. Obviously if we're talking about things like a game's music, or a game's story, or whether or not the gameplay loop is fun, it's different.The problem is that there are enough objective issues within the game for me and others to not want to even bother with the rest.
>snow>rooftops>jungle>sewersseems quite a lot of variety to me doebeithoweveralbeitson
>>58477150>or critiques about how the game only takes place in a single city and doesn't offer much in terms of environmental varietyThat’s not objective. That’s you parroting shitty vague non-arguments because you haven’t actually played it.
>>58477110Cap? No, but maybe I was projecting when I made that post. I love Pokemon. That's why I'm here right now. Even though I haven't bought Z-A, I genuinely do want to and wish GF would get off their ass and release a game that isn't so half-assed and underwhelming.
>>58477158Calling anything in ZA a "jungle" is a massive stretch and you know it, anon.
>>58477183>doesn't countEvery time...
>>58477163>takes place in a single cityObjective statement.>little/no environmental varietyPrevious pokemon games had mountains, beaches, forests, deserts, snowy plains, lakes, inter-dimensional science fiction shit, towns, etc.This game objectively lacks all of that.I don't need to buy the game to make my own judgement on whether or not there's variety.
>>58477190>Objective statement.Not objectively bad.>This game objectively lacks all of thatNot true. Maybe you should try playing the game.
It objectively has all of those doebeit.
>>58477187I'm sorry you never learned what a jungle is, anon. This is what a jungle is, and when you understand what a jungle is, you'll know that there are none in ZA.
>>58477202ZA has that yeah.
>>58477198>Maybe you should try playing the gameI'd love to.When does the tutorial end?
It's all "no ride mons?" when those were barely a thing in XY. While LGPE rides would've been nice I'm more surprised roller skates didn't make a return. When I think of gen 6 I think of zipping around kalos on skates and those grind rails. With such an emphasis on urban exploration and parkour you'd think they would've put them in
my question is why the fuck did they call it pokemon legends if it plays nothing like legends arceus
>>58477202No, it doesn't, but I suspect that you don't really want to discuss ZA.
>>58472372>>I am a cringe faggot incel who gets annoyed when people have sex!yes, you are.
>>58477208Sooner than BW2’s.
>>58472147>Nobody seems to present a reason why they hate itYour ignorance is lethal>>58472157>It actually feels like a downgrade from legends arc in many ways.More than you realize. It's a downgrade from most older Pokémon titles yet par for the course for current gaming>Make slop off nostalgia hype>Hike the price>Gaslight the valid critiques
>>58477198>not objectively badTrue. They could've compensated by doing more to flesh out the city. They didn't. 99% of the buildings don't even have interiors, and now there's weird, contrived "wild" areas for catching Pokemon in the city all.>>58477199The game has mountains, beaches, forests, deserts, snowy plains, lakes, science fiction shit, and towns? Please name them, then. I'm being genuine. Name those areas and I'll take my comments back. Like I said previously, I want a reason to like this game, so if I'll gladly turn and tell you I'm wrong if I am in fact wrong.
>>58477210>has real time catching and battles integrated into the overworld>has alphas>has open exploration>has boss fights you need to run and roll to dodge attacks from>”I-I-IT PLAYS NOTHING LIKE ARCEUS!!!”???
>>58477232>They could've compensated by doing more to flesh out the cityWhich they did. Play the game.
>>58477237How do they flesh out the city?
>>58477210Pokemon are in the overworld and your trainer has hitpoints while having a more acrobatic moveset (even if jumping is an auto function on certain surfaces) and the ZR button is used to throw PokeballsAlso it was Legends Ho-oh and Lugia before they changed their mind.
>>58477210>why did they call it street fighter 5 when it plays nothing like street fighter 4?
>The game has mountains, beaches, forests, deserts, snowy plains, lakes, science fiction shit, and townsCorrect.
>>58477253Where? What are the names of the areas?
doesn't have snow btw
>>58473759Why isn't this a thing?!Fuck this infantile board of faggotsHalf of the users here are literally autistic samefagsPlease make thread IDs happen
>>58477244Play the game and you’ll find out.
doesn't have lakes or beaches btw
science fiction shit? uhh no teleporters do not count !!!
>>58477253
no forest man....
Damn, debunking youtubers is so easy!
>>58477259Taking a normal city street and covering it with snow isn't really what I had in mind when I was thinking of Mt. Coronet, but sure.>>58477264But we're already here having a discussion.>you claim the city isn't banal>you claim they actually expand on the city>I ask you to state how>"No, play the game."Why would I? I already explained my doubts with this game, and they're not going to be erased just because you've made some vague statements about the game improving as it progresses.
>d-d-d-doesn't count!!!!!Again. Every time.
>>58477288It really shows you've never left a cityThis is nature to you?Thats a forest?A snowfield?Thats a fuckin lake to you anon?!ITS NO WONDER YOU HAVE SUCH LOW STANDARDS You don't know what's real!
>1 city has more variety than whole regionsLevels.
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>>58477267>>58477278>>58477288This is a lot like people claiming May has massive double d's because her tits have a fraction of a percent more pixels than Dawn's. I genuinely thank you for trying, but if this is all the environmental variety the game has to offer, it's sad. And if that's what passes for a "forest" or a "beach" to you then that's even sadder.
>>58477288There's like 4 fucking species of plants in this picFuck off you don't know what you're saying
>>58477315>whole game takes place a city>"where's the snowcapped mountains and beaches?"does the chin strap on your helmet hurt?
>Theres like [a forest]yeah?
>>58477267bro that's a fucking sidewalk with some trees
>>58477332Tell that to >>58477253
>>58472147Total lack of diverse set pieces, every wild zone is the fucking same, every wild zone is a small piece of land that can be ran from one side to the other in less than 20 seconds and can be cleared in less than two minutes. PLAs five large areas had many memorable locations that had unique alphas that made sense for why they are there. Now its some random pseudo alpha on a roof with the rest of them. The game shot itself in the foot when they decided to set it entirely in one city. Also the revamped catching mechanics are total dogshit, a complete 360 to PLA.
>masterfully integrate a forest into a city's designChills. Lot of care put into this despite the low budget they got.
>>58477332Then why fuckin attempt to shoehorn in a n arctic environment?You're trying to give examples of realism while telling me not to expect realism at the same timeDumb fuck anonM0YDR
> PLAs five large areas had many memorable locations that had unique alphas that made sense for why they are thereNice joke.
>anon says the game has no distinct environments>entire thread gaslights him saying it does>he asks for proof>"""proof""" is posted>anon mocks the proof>entire thread goes "OMG WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING THE GAME WOULD HAVE DISTINCT ENVIRONMENTS???"
>anon says the game has no distinct environments>entire thread debunks him saying it does>he asks for proof>proof is posted>anon says it doesn't count because????
>city sidewalk with trees>city sidewalk with an inch of snow>city sidewalk with a canal running underneathunique environments btw
>all differentCorrect.
>>58477354What region is this $70 experience located in, again?
Stupid faggot anonLook at the bottom right corner of this chartYou're confusing a type of environment for a state of environment which is what this stupid game is trying to pass as distinct to retards like you anon
>>58477355>alpha galade in snowpoint temple>alpha gardevoir near the waterfall with a heart rock formation>alpha ninetails at the lava island>alpha infernape at the island I can name many more but now its your turn mr za shill. Tell me, what are some memorable locations for alphas in this game? And no, below the tower in zone 20 does not count.
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>>58477365>>58477378If you're being genuine right now then you've completely lost sight of the original discussion and are arguing just to argue and say you've won.>>58477267>>58477288>>58477259These do not constitute rich, compelling environments. Not on the scale we had 10-15 years ago, or in the console games, or in LA.
>literally says doesn't count for meEvery. Damn. Time.>Garbodor in the alley>Salamence protecting Bagons>Spinarak on the wall in graveyard>Litleo sleeping>Clefable dancing at nightMillions of more.
My problems with it>Wild Zones are so small that you are often times fighting the aggro Alpha in the area, which is levels higher than the minimum that the game tells you that you should be at. This also impacts spawns because 5% spawn rates that are not influenced in any way now become horrid, probably even worse than 1% encounter rates in traditional games>since a majority of the dex is for mega evolution users and since there's no once per battle limit on mega evolving, there's usually no reason to run other items over mega stones on most Pokemon>defense as a strategy is at an all-time lowThis is due to the fact that defensive moves have crazy cooldown periods and recovery moves do way less, plus in multiplayer you can get triple targeted.>weak platformingNot sure why it's in the game at all if it's going to be a bit jank. I'm glad that they designed collectibles around it, but with ledges and the gliding mechanic it just feels a bit half-baked.>>58472166First of all it definitely doesn't feel like a majority and secondly those being tutorials on changes is actually nice because they just changed the combat system and it's important to see how moves and items are different and work now.There are some good side missions that involve essentially going to point A to point B but the Trubbish one where you just move trash and the Shuppet one just sucked. The fact that you didn't even mention these actual shitty missions is proof enough that you are talking out of your ass. Also the restaurants are technically rolled into "missions" and I'm glad because those are difficult if you go in at a reasonable level.
>These do not constitute rich, compelling environmentsProof?
>>58477412>describes what they are doing>2/5 where they actually are>1/5 some generic answer, a fucking alleyI think you should stop. These are not convincing in the slightest. Also PLA Did the alpha Clefable thing 100x better.
>>58477419Yeah, you're just arguing to argue.
>>58477380plass2 raped chadlos so hard, it saddens me
He really thinks saying Infernape at an island was any better. Funny guy.
>>58477412Aren't Bagons loners?Why would a Salamence protect one, let alone a group?Do you know what you're saying?
>>58477423So no proof? Concession accepted.
Bully on PS2 had a more fleshed out world than this hunk of shit.
>>58477412I know you're describing "memorable" locations and moments, but this shit should all be background noise- Not standouts.
>>58477428I mean, if you really need the name its ramanass island.Just like what im doing to you with this debate. Run along now, more alleyway garbadors await!
>>58477434Yep. Congrats, anon.
>>58477439Yeah Garbodor was soulfully put into an alley that makes sense unlike random Infernape in an island that dies trying to swim back.
>>58474649>>58474498>>58474465>>58474404>/pol/'s least obvious damage control team
>>58477439I'm gonna make you my bitchCmere anon
>>58472157Pokemon has always been repetitive.CatchBattleCatchBattleSide ContentRepeatIf you compare it to any other game, though... a lot of games are over in 6-10 hours. Other RPGs though are 300 hour slogs.
>>58477446Your defending a big bag of trash in a copy paste alleywayIm vouching for a giant sun wukong ape defending his youth on a cast off island, which he and his offspring can live off from with the multiple berry trees and wild starlies.
>>58477475Kek
>>58477467Also done better in ZA
>>58474001By being forever single. I'm not using this as an insult at all. That room looks awesome.
>>58477467You dumbassThen what?That Infernape will breed multiple lines of inbred retards on that islandJust like yourself anon
>>58477489>by being forever singleI assumed his partner was the one recording the video.
>>58477479>Just huddled up in some boomers front lawnMemorable in how lazy and laughable it is. Alas, the monkey king prospering on his island very much btfos your example. Also alpha infernape is one of my weaker examples.
>>58477455Lmao youre a loser
Sun Wukong was also done better in ZA. It's just better in every way.
>>58477158>one (1) fenced snowy area>copypaste gardens>what>one (1) sewer dungeon for story purposes
>>58477531You must be identifying with the subject in my cool storyWhy else bother?
>>58477539>emboar but fatter and with a stickCome on anon, out of ALL the megas you couldve picked, that one is your example? Bro go back to playing with your garbradors in the alleyways jesus christ.
Absolute kino.
>>58477546He doesn't genuinely believe in what he's saying, anon.
>>58477595No need to samefag after you already lost.
ZA hate is forced.
>>58472147It's not perfect but the modern internet is mentally ill. People were getting death threats on twitter just for buying a Switch 2 a couple months ago.
>>58472157the problem is that they put all their eggs into battling at the expense of everything else and the battle system is still boring and unpolishedPLA at least had fun exploration and areas that felt distinctively different to keep you engaged
