>Terrible show>Terrible protagonists >Terrible supporting cast>Terrible story>Terrible battles>Terrible pokemonsThey somehow found a way to outdo Ash in the pure shit competition
>being gay
Isn't this by the Eureka 7 guy? That show wasn't good.
>>58477776>One digit offYou were so close, anyways stay in /padt/ you falseflagging homo
>>58477776Terrible franchise
>>58477777
>>58477776I forgot this shit exists
Poketoon is the best pokemon anime
>>58477776>Trying to appeal to the shounen audience and young boys in general - that ship has sailed, Pokemon fans are in their 30s, you'll never beat Fortnite>Due to this, a total failure to pander to the audience's preferred ships - no real romance at all>Too much focus on the overarching story, not enough monster-of-the-week episodes that make us care about specific Pokemon>Liko is too cute to be wasted in Horizons, she shouldn't have to share the spotlight with Roy or the useless supporting characters>Charizard and Pikachu are shoehorned in and should have been left in the Ash era where they belong>The concept of a single, multi-cour or multi-year Pokemon series is outdated, there should be multiple shorter series of different genres
>>58477776She's a girl, that was the real problem.
>>58477776If emails are any indication, they had to rethink their entire direction due to overlap with Gen 10.
>>58477776are they going to switch out mcs from every new gen now?
>>58477776Its much better than the Ashnime but nostalgia has a grip on people, even though most of said people dropped Ash's show long, long long ago.
>>58478728What did the emails say?
>>58477776>Terrible showWouldn't exactly call it terrible but it did went downhill.>Terrible protagonistsI like Liko. She is a charming character. Roy is just boring and feels tacked on.>Terrible supporting castHard disagree. The supporting cast is cool. Unfortunately. they don't get character of the day episodes like the SM cast.>Terrible storyThe story seemed interesting, but it pretty much fell apart after the 1st season.>Terrible battlesYajima is gone and so is the quality.>Terrible pokemonsNo amount of shillmons will make me like Roy and Uruto.
>>58478782Plenty of people watched and loved XY. Honestly if the writers were smart they would have continued the tone from XY and had Ash grow up and mature in a vein similar to other shounen series.
Horizons lows aren't as low as Ash's lowest, but it's highs are definetely nowhere close the Ashnime, it's mediocre
>>58477776Ash was just the superior character
>>58478728>>58478801I've read the emails and that part didn't had an effect on the story. They simply rechanged the location. Judging by the teraleaks, Horizon was meant to be an anime original largely divorved from SV. It seems the execs mandated The anime staff to include shit from the games.
>>58477776The Pokemon anime is a perfect microcosm of the genuinely unhinged retardation and sunk cost behavior of self-inserting shipfags, e.g. when Liko's design was revealed they went completely fucking bonkers thinking that they would finally get confirmation of their personal parasitic romance and finally achieve victory over their hated adversaries (that they've been flinging shit over for anywhere from 10-to-20 years or so), only to completely drop it like a rock when it turned out that she wasn't related to their deified brown jobber.They didn't drop it when Ash lost the Indigo League, they didn't drop it when his personality got sanded away to be as bland as possible, they didn't drop it when he lost again and again and again, they didn't drop it when he got curbstomped by a dude and his Gameshark'd legendaries, they didn't drop it during the soft-reboot of Unova, they didn't drop it when shillfrog got rekt, etc., it was only when their shipfaggotry was objectivelt deemed superflous and they "suddenly" declared the anime shit, despite the fact that it hasn't been truly relevant in more than 20 fucking years.
I want to molest liko
>>58478609>Trying to appeal to the shounen audience and young boys in general - that ship has sailed, Pokemon fans are in their 30s, you'll never beat FortniteBeatbreak is genuinely good, the problem with Pokemon is the "Disneyfication" that TPCi forces onto, there's a way to do a product for the broadest audience possible and still being family friendly, but they will never do it.
>>58477776At this point, why is OLM still bothering? I mean, surely there must be a sense of doom there, right?After the poor ratings on B&W, they thought that le epic shonen was gonna save them. Then they got mogged by the low-effort shit of Yokai Watch, so they changed the formula, but lo and behold, the ratings were still bad. They believed the MC was the cause of the stagnation, so they improvised one last series that would serve as a farewell. With luck, and by changing the character, everything would improve...And as if that weren't enough, there haven't been any Pokemon movies for a while now because they realized, many years later, that they were a waste of money. Gone are the days where thousands of kids would fill theaters to see Mewtwo or turn on their TVs punctually for the Rayquaza movieThey must be aware that pokeanime has one foot in the grave, right?
Liko
>>58477776they aged them upthat's the best thing they every did
>>58478403The original Eureka 7 is a great show. Its the sequel materials that suck.
>>58478782>Its much better than the AshnimeNice trolls considering none of you can say one thing Horizons did better than Pokemon 2019.
>>58478403The first half was good, after that it was shit with a mid final.Anything else after that? Hahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha, you could feel the hatred there
>>58479111>Yajima is goneTomioka?Iwane?
>>58477919>being a pedophile
>>58479460>why botheringmoney, they get money from pokemon ip same tv tokyo its still profitable for them
>>58480042they dont make the show for the viewers and fans if not for them get the pokemon money
>>58479353Digimon always will better anime because the world and concept is better for anime, its the real world and the monsters can talk unlike pkmn that’s why horizons is bad it’s just human drama shit pokemon are just there
>>58479111>The supporting cast is cool.The supporting cast is by far the worst, specially when you compared them to Digimon Beatbreak supporting cast.
>>58480163Look at Pokemon OG S1, it was straight up shounen, Pokemon concept can also be applied if they try, the problem is that they don't need to try and the anime is a vanity project at this point, I doubt the anime moves enough merch to justify its existence.
>>58479858lolicon website
>>58480163>It's just human drama shit Pokemon are just there.Yeah that's the entire fucking Pokemon series in its games story, manga, and anime, what's your point?
>>58480224The supporting cast of Horizons>Autistic shut-in tomboy>Punk Nurse Joy>Hot Mechanic girl>Water All Might>Cool black chefYour opinion is fucking invalid. Horizons has the coolest travelling group. Unfortunately, they are neglected by the writers
>>58477776Horizons fails the same way the old anime fails after Shudo left: it's not telling a story about anything. The show has no theme. It's a product for the sake of being a product
So is this anime actually doing poorly or are people projecting their hate of it a little too much?
>>58479187These are literally the XY writers.>>58479720The actual sense of mystery and adventure, the character writing, the general story progression and lore. Now promptly kill yourself.
>>58480730It's doing as bad as it has been for the last 20 years.
>>58480730It's doing more than fine. It's not amazing or anything but it's a cute kids show that finally shook up the formula a bit. Only the most kissless of men would feel this bizarrely negative toward it.
>>58480730Lower than the old, nobody cares about the nigger or green midget
>>58479460>they thought that le epic shonen was gonna save themIt would have if the singular, completely absolutely retarded retard at top thought "hey..what if Ash beat Alain?" instead of having him lose and have the anime become an internet wide laughing stock.I mean, granted, that WAS extremely funny a day on /vp/ for salt, but imagine how much better just ending Ash there and doing their shift to school or whatever in SM would've been handled after that.
What's wrong is there's not enough gags that involve Liko's legs>no alcremie accidentally squirting cream on her thighs>no sprigatito licking Liko's legs for attention>no floragato hugging Liko's legs during downtime>no meowscarada slipping her hand up Liko's shorts>not enough close up shots of Liko's thighs while sitting cross-legged>not wearing spats while in her bedroom
>>58482190Holy based
>>58480326The pokemon themselves are the entire reason this whole franchies even exists. The anime showrunners should get the memo.
>>58480491>>Autistic shut-in tomboyJust an uglier Penny with even less personality and no intriguing backstory.>>Punk Nurse JoyAnother loser who thinks behaving edgy and looking like a punk would make her better. Even regular Nurse Joy from each original episode had more charm than her.>>Hot Mechanic girlThe only thing good about her is her look.>>Water All MightA pointless old man shoved into the show because Eureka Seven had an old man like that >>Cool black chefThe most boring character of the show that makes Professor Sakuragi look interesting. All five of them are so pointless and irrelevant that if the anime writes all of them out, it wouldn't change a thing. Brock alone can replace three of them.
>>58483162Brock could carry an anime solo, that's an unfair comparison. No anipoke character has ever come close to him, not even Ash.
>>58483162the only good character i like iz rico grandma
>>58479460pokemon is the only profitable ip olm has same for tv Tokyo with naruto and ygo
>>58477776How hard was it for you to call your idol "pure shit"?
I don't completely hate it but I hope they don't try to stick to this cast for gen 10. Hope they just start changing out the cast every gen, like what Yu-Gi-Oh, Beyblade and Digimon did.
>>58479720Actual direction the show actually follows upon. I could end there.Actual progress not being undone.Actual character progression, both in personal development and battles.Actual plotline being actually followed.In the greater landscape of kids shows Horizons is just good, it isn't superb in any way, but it beats the ashnime just by being able to do the bare minimum.
>>58480163>the world and concept is better for animePokemon's concept is better. Them fumbling for 20+ years just means they're retarded.And Digimon changes the concept each anime anyways so saying that is retarded.
>>58479349You're mixing 2 different anime.
>>58479858gays are pedos too though
>>58479349Now this is a truth nuke.
Always the same guys samefagging, huh?
>>58483710No digimon is better anime, the monsters can talk they have personality, more likable, pokemon are only battle slaves repeating their names cringe
Liko is sexier than ash at least, but I still haven't seen any battle in Horizon that's as cool as anything from the previous one, and that's the only thing i liked about it
MPM episode 02 has proven that --> People likes it when Ash is boastful> People likes it when Ash is snarky.> People likes it when Ash is smug > People likes it when Ash is playful > People likes it when Ash teases girl > People are okay with Ash losing to likable characters with reasonable reason. There was never an issue with Ash; the problem lies with the new series management. They fail to utilize Ash's true appeal effectively, and some believed they could succeed with new characters lacking nostalgia or a pre-existing fanbase. No wonder Horizons has struggled. Pokémon needs an anime with a premise and companions that make Ash more boastful, snarky, playful, smug, and mischievous with girls.
>>58477776Liko was way too sexy
>>58484118>MPM episode 02 has proven thatnobody give a damn about the bland uninteresting anime. at this point it's obvious Roy and Ash both no personality ikkimen
>>58483200Surprised that this thing is still profitable
>>58483662>Actual direction the show actually follows upon. I could end there.What direction? At least Ashnime had an actual direction with gyms and league. Horizon just has character randomly wonder around until everything is solve by itself. >Actual progress not being undone.>Actual character progression, both in personal development and battles.Training offscreen to magically become champion is not progress, its just wish fulfillment bad writing. Just like those fantasy anime with protagonist just train for one episode while rest 11 episode is about him streamrolling everybody. >Actual plotline being actually followed.You mean the plotline where every character had to lose their common sense and act like idiots with one brain cells so the villain and hero could look "Smart". This whole thing would have ended in episode 3 if Liko or her family asked for law enforcement's help.
>>58483200What prevents TPC and Game Freak from permanently replacing OLM with Studio Colorido? The only reason I can think of is OLM holding character rights to Ash and Team Rocket. But if Ash and Team Rocket won't appear in the future, do those character rights matter?Also OLM is working on The Apothecary Diaries, Beyblade X, and Yo-kai Watch.
>>58484118>There was never an issue with AshOther than them, in 20+ years, never deciding what character, if any, he's supposed to be, sure.
>>58484155>What direction?Its a self-discovery trip framed on the quest to find rakua and beat Spinel.>At least Ashnime had an actual direction with gyms and league.That's just what happens on the show, not a show direction. And it doesn't count because its all rendered irrelevant to keep Ash an unchanging protagonist. They never settled on which of the 2 paths to take.> Horizon just has character randomly wonder around until everything is solve by itself. Not really.>Training offscreen to magically become champion is not progressNo character has become champion and we've seen plenty of training on-screen.>bad writingWhy would this be a problem now?>You mean the plotline where every character had to lose their common sense and act like idiots with one brain cells so the villain and hero could look "Smart". Such as?>This whole thing would have ended in episode 3 if Liko or her family asked for law enforcement's help.On what charges? She also did contact her family. You'd know this iff you were able to watch a show without ASh in it.
>>58484216You're wasting your time on homeless lolcow.
Do Ashfags know that ranting about Horizons won't bring him back? Pathetic losers.
They stopped making movies around the XYZ era because Ash draws no dimes kekaroo
>>58484334Won't bring back the rating either kek
>>58484188Multi-color hair in children's anime was a mistake and should've stayed in the Yugioh containment chamber.
>>58484216>Its a self-discovery tNope, it just story of bunch of OC getting everything handed to them, there is no self discovery. >That's just what happens on the showThat's Horizon. >not a show directionIt was the show direction rather than randomly wondering around. >Not really.Yes really, they didn't even had to do anything stop Gibeon since Zygarde just decided to give him the middle finger. >No character has become championThey turned Champion into punching bags for their OC. >we've seen plenty of training on-screen.Not enough to justify defeating a champion. >Why would this be a problem now?Because there is no long a nostalgia bait protagonist with his large fanbase to support the show. >Such as?Excced does whatever they want and some reason there is no officer Jenny or any law enforcement to actually restrained them. Or when a grown fat man getting overly excited over a little underaged girl like Sango, nobody was creeped out by him. >On what charges?Forgery, assault , robbery and kidnapping. If Liko contacted Officer Jenny then she would have used her own Growlithe to track down Sprigatito's scent and Amethio's entire crew would have been on jail instead of Friede running away like a criminal. >She also did contact her familyYou mean her family of entitled egoist. Liko's mother knew her own daughter is in danger and she just send her acquaintance to deal with it while she does nothing to show how "cool" she is by not caring about her own daughter.
>>58484868It's a fashion trend in Asia. Adult anime has them too. Get with the times, gramps.
I miss the Pokémon Pearl and Diamond anime in particular. It had Brock and good Team Rocket episodes and even Jessiebelle. I was already in college when I watched it, but looking back those were also the best years of my life I guess.
>>58484942>That's Horizon.They don't get badges nor participate on the league on Horizon anon.You outright didn't watch it.
>>58485059Jesus anon, don't bother. That ESLschizoid isn't gonna continue in good faith.
ash won the culture war sorry not sorry
>>58485095Liko is arguably more relevant and popular nowaday
>>58480817>>These are literally the XY writers.Why lie?
>>58485121In bizarro world maybe, Ash discussion is dead but Liko's was never alive unless you count reddit and they spent more time crying over people asking if Ash can come back or /padt/ that is just the same fuckers crossposting in /a/
> Liko : Team Rocket are getting away with Terapagos & Pikachu.> Ash : Dot quick. tell Tinkaton to use Gigaton Hammer on me to sent me to Team Rocket's ship. > Dot : THAT'S YOUR BIG PLAN? YOU WANT TINKTON TO SLINGSHOT YOU TO TEAM ROCKET'S SHIP, ARE YOU CRAZY!!! I can't imagine early series craziness on Horizons.
>>58480817>The actual sense of mystery and adventure,There is no mystery, everybody figured out all the twist before the anime revealed to them. Even random filler episode from Original series had better mysteries. >the character writing,Is by far the worst in Pokemon history. >the general story progression100 episode and none of the main characters have an actual goal. That supposed to be progression?? >the general story progression and lore.nowhere near SV or JN series.
>>58479858aren't our world leaders and president pedos?what's wrong with pedo nowadays?
>>58485205>no one discusses Liko if you don't count the people doing sosanest Ashfag>>58485438>Is by far the worst in Pokemon history. Why is that a problem now?
>>58485526the absolute state of horizonpedos
>>58477919She is cute, but she could have been cute and a good character.Also, Pokémon had plenty of cute girls during the Ash era. Dawn, May, Lillie, Serena, Misty...
>>58485558>Why is that a problem now?Because up until now the series had a huge fanbase for Ash and TRio that kept watching the show so the anime never had to care about story as long as they followed the formula or found something for Ash to do. In fact this is how long running show like Doraemon, Shin-chan and even Dragonball remained long running. But now nether Ash and TRio in the show and new protagonist has no appeal to attract an audience.
>>58485638>Because up until now the series had a huge fanbase for Ash and TRio that kept watching the show so the anime never had to care about story as long as they followed the formula or found something for Ash to do. So bad writing is not a problem as long as there's something else to be distracted with?> Doraemon, Shin-chanThose are fully episodic. Don't have measurable progress they have to constantly have to delete. Nothing to do with the ashnime>Dragonballplot-based, not episodic. Nothing to do with the ashnime either.
>>58485704>So bad writing is not a problem as long as there's something else to be distracted with?Are you first time animewatcher? >Those are fully episodicExactly what Anipoke was originally and need to be to keep on running. >plot-based, not episodic.Correct word is formulaic just like Ashnime. Dragonball never truly focus on good story, it followed the formula where some bad guy wants to do bad thing and it leads to Goku & gangs to gain new form to stop him. Ashnime promote pokemon plushies and toys while Dragonball promotes action figures.
>>58486037>Are you first time animewatcher?Asks the ashfag>Exactly what Anipoke was originally and need to be to keep on running. Not really, you said in >>58484155 that the direction of the show was the gyms and league, so its not fully episodic. It has a developing plotline.>Correct word is formulaic just like AshnimeThat's an entirely different thing.> it leads to Goku & gangs to gain new form to stop himNot really, the manga only has that happen twice. 4 times in the entire franchise.But you don't watch nor read it because it doesn't have Ash. To you its just another long-running show you read about on wikipedia to try to defend the ashnime. Like Doraemon, Conan, shin-Chan, etc.
>>58480491>Horizons has the coolest travelling group>they are neglected by the writersThat doesn't make sense
>>58486055>that the direction of the show was the gyms and leagueI said ashnime had a direction with gyms and league which Horizons doesn't. By the time Pokemon reached 100 episode, Ash and Pikachu has became an international brand so they can carry an entire series by simply going on a camping trip on another Sinnoh Summer Camp. >That's an entirely different thing.Does not changed Dragonball being formulaic. >Not really, the manga only has that happen twice. 4 times in the entire franchise.Wrong as it happen more than 8th time.
>>58477919isn’t she underage
>>58480224beatbreak has had three episodes none of the supporting cast stood out in anyway compared to tomoro and gekkomonlike this will probably change in 20 episodes time but the most defining characteristics I can say of them is what the marketing profiles say
>>58486278>beatbreak has had three episodes none of the supporting cast stood out in anyway compared to tomoro and gekkomonNether did any of the members of RVT in 100 episode. If anything the cleaners seems much more interesting and has better dynamic probably due to being similar age group as the MC.
>>58480730Based on what I've read on forums, youtube, twitter etc. A lot of people think the time skip has been a let down.
>>58485177Shinzo Fujita was based. So many action girl episodes with the heroines usually saving the day in an athletic fashion. Bring him back.
>>58483200>tv TokyoAre they not just a broadcaster? I thought they aired plenty of anime, was pretty sure they also had things like Bleach and Spy x Family too.
>>58486251out of 10
>>58484188>blatantly obviously incorrect data>but it's okay because it supports my supposed point
>>58486037But Horizon follows the formula where Spinel wants to do bad thing and it leads to Sprigatitto & gangs to gain new form to stop him. Isn't that exactly what you want?
