When will you Westerners accept that your NoA translations are skewed, heretical, and missing loads of context as to the real canon of the game?
lemme see your jlpt cert
>>58550151Who cares.NOBODY uses a Pokémons Japanese names.
>>58550165Japanese names and meaning are what control the actual game mechanics, distributions, and lore.Your Nintendo of America translations will never let Sucker Punch be boosted by Iron Fist or let Huge Power ever be held by any pokemon except for ones that are rabbit-like in appearance.
>>58550151>>58550176You are such an annoying weaboo.
>he remade his shitpost after being BTFO yesterdayThis is just sad, anon.
>>58550196All the insults in the world won't make me wrong on this. Japanese is the only canon in Pokemon and Westerners need to learn
>Arguing against nobody>AvatarfaggingWhy are you like this?
Arceus won.
>>58550243But Regigigas never gives up the fight.
>>58550151it's called "machamp claws" actually
>>58550151>game is best in its original language without some localizer in the way, fucking things up and changing shitHuh. You make a good point Anon. I never would've thought of that. Never.
>>58550151>>58550176>>58550203ywnbj
>「レジギガス は 調子が あがらない!」You can't learn Japonese
>>58550151Your nonsense about Regigigas is not canon. It's a theory that has already been debunked a bunch of times, leaving you even more powerless than the one you worship in your headcanon.
>>58550151you're from Utah
>>58550151>Parrot Mimicry Finally, after all these years, it all makes sense.
>>58550151baby steps OP.If people here at least took the translations as canon it'd be a huge improvement over taking random poketuber drivel as canon.
Some people confuse the name of a move, which is used to describe what it does and, by extension, who learns it, with a vulgar Pokedex classification that has no bearing on the story and whose theory doesn't hold up with Blank Plate. Not to mention that neither the dialogue in the games nor Teraleak support this, as they take a different direction.Easy shortcuts and dishonest words as usual with Regignosis
>>58551941Yet it is still notated on the Japanese Wiki and explains itself perfectly well why due to how the giants on the plates and the giant that Regigigas is described.Learn from your Japanese superiors:https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AE%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1iFWkbxdrghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnKUHRIWpskAnd more than anything, just talk to Japanese players on 2chan and you'll see that this is common knowledge.
Also the most important video to get context to how the lore is interpreted in Japanese:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAOetAv1uQY
>>58550151>dragonfly returnThat name makes less sense than U-turn to me. Why can so many Pokemon learn this despite not being dragonflies, or even insects?
>>58552870Is the Japanese wiki an official source? No, it's written by fans. There is no dialogue in the games (even in Japanese) that states that Regigigas has ever fought Arceus, nor that it is one of the primordial giants mentioned on the plates. The same goes for these stories of “god's curse” and so on. It's fan fiction, and it doesn't matter how many Japanese people like or believe in the theory, it doesn't change the fact that it's headcanon, and it doesn't change the fact that it's inconsistent in any language.APL's Blank Plate, the Teraleak, and the lore in the games do not support your theory. There's no point in forcing the issue and using worthless arguments from authority. You're not even trying to be honest.
>>58552925>Please trust my Japanese YouTubers' headcanon!
>>58552936In the manga and anime the way it is always shown is landing a blow and 360 reversing movement off that blow like how a dragonfly lands and moves on grass. If a pokemon is nimble enough they can do this apparently.
>>58550199he's made this thread like 6 times now and someone always dunks on him so he vanishes, waits for it to get pushed off, and remakes it, actual insanity
>>58550151fuck swarm change & slow start
>As you all know Pokémon have the ability to shrink to a minuscule sizeHow about no?
>>58552936Tonbogaeri is an actual Japanese word that means to go somewhere and then immediately return. U-Turn isn't all that inaccurate a translation of the actual meaning, but it does result in an endless stream of "wtf why is uturn a bug move it has nothing to do with bugs lol" dumbassery for westfags.
>thread is in english>opinion discarded
>>58553340Have to speak English to get the westies to understand their misunderstandings.>>58552938The way the Giants are described on the plates and way Regigigas is described. It is only noticeable to Japanese readers and was lost in English translation. Japanese fans assess the source material in its native language, context, and meaning. You don't in english. You have to accept the Japanese are right about their own content and the way the game consistently aligns only with the Japanese meanings of things concurs with this. Talk to any Japanese fan and they will tell you the same. You can't assess how きょだい and プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから convey the same exact meaning in the context that they are written: "A race of extremely large giants." Specifically a designatory noun characterizing a race. It is explicit into and of itself from other notions as ダイマックス, 巨きょ人, キョダイマックス are all are a-adjectives talking purely about size or concept, not of a race, people, species, or entities.It is written so fucking children playing the game can understand its meaning if they merely understand basic japanese.
>>58554742Remember that Groudon and Torterra are not the same thing, do not have the same powers, do not share a common origin, and are not linked to each other in the storyline, despite having the same classification in the Japanese Pokedex. And they are not literal continents either! A Pokédex classification has no role in the storyline or lore. Giants (the species you mention) existed before Pokémon in the real world through various mythologies and popular culture (where their role varies depending on the source).The classifications are just used to give a vague theme about the appearance and inspiration of the Pokémon and should not be taken literally. In the same way that animal names are used even though they do not canonically exist in Pokémon (they were mentioned at the beginning but this has been corrected because they do not canonically exist).So no, mentioning primordial titans on the plates doesn't necessarily mean it's the same as what Regigigas' classification mentions, which might simply refer to the mythological titan species without playing any role whatsoever.Especially since the existence of the Blank Plate makes the theory impossible.
>>58554742Repeating the same nonsense over and over won't make it true.Where are the facts? The dialogue lines from the games?There's NOTHING about it. The whole theory is based on a poor Pokédex classification that means everything and nothing.The Japanese thought, "Oh, that's cool," and it became popular there.But it's based on nothing concrete.If it were intentional, we would have found it in Teraleak, but even he doesn't do that.I watched the videos you sent; it's all speculation and nothing concrete.Even Legends Arceus messes up your headcanon by adding a plate with the essence of the Normal type, which comes from the Normal-type giant that was killed and isn't Regigigas.
>>58552040It really doesn't, because we didn't have an actual parrot until Chatot.
>>58550151At what age did you learn you were a high functioning autistic person?
>>58550151Eerie light and aquak break sound better.
>Nooooo, my headcanon has been destroyed again!
>>58554997>>58555049If regigigas is just "a giant" in the vague sense they would have used 巨きょ人 like they do specifically for the lesser Regis that are a different clade from regigigas who is きょだい which is explicitly the same specific "Race of extremely large giants" distinct from every other mention of "giant" or "large."You always revert to English equivalents without rending the flame plate and Earth plate in Japanese and coinciding the term with Regigiga's description.I dare you to find me a single japanese person that will read the flame plate and Regigigas' description and not say that they are both conveying the exact same specific linguistic notion of a "Very Specific Extremely Large Race of Giants." The only way to really convey the term in both contexts is to say here it is saying "Giantest Giants" relative to 巨人 which is just "Giant" in the vague adjective rather than a proper noun.
>>58554742Regigigas is only 12ft tall, that's not extremely large.
>>58555144I'm talking about Japanese mythological giants in a general sense. Not just about being tall, as you like to suggest by twisting things.The giants mentioned on the plates are like primordial titans; they're their own thing, linked to the Pokémon narrative with its own interpretation.Luckily, Regigigas is inspired by several types of giant races, like those that pull continents to move them, or even more Hebrew-influenced things, easily finding its justification in the term "Giant."Because the Pokédex classifications have no role in the story, it provides a damn good theme, or an idea that emerges from its references drawn from the real world.
>>58555144>The only way to really convey the term in both contexts is to say here it is saying "Giantest Giants" relative to 巨人 which is just "Giant" in the vague adjective rather than a proper noun.NTA but we'd probably call an especially large or primordial giant a Titan
>>58555144And I challenge you to find anything other than ridiculous theories based on a Pokédex classification that means everything and nothing.Where's the lore about a curse cast by Arceus?Where's the lore about Regigigas having already battled Arceus?Where's the lore about Regigigas being one of the giants defeated by Arceus?It simply doesn't exist. It's fanfiction! They invent a compelling story because it's popular, but there's nothing behind it. The Blank Plate is nothing more than the final blow that ends the headcanon. You'll have to accept it.
weird and gross thread
It's far more likely that Regigigas was made not just to tow the continents, but as a symbol of respect for the original Giants that Arceus fought, if you really want to believe the "Pokedex classification means there's a connection" line of thought.We have to remember, at the end of the day Arceus, even if it is God, is also a Pokemon. And aside from an unbreakable bond with a human, nothing is more thrilling to a Pokemon than something to keep the memory fresh its most daunting yet successful battle, which is exactly what the birth of the universe conflict against the Giants was. In fact, it was Arceus' ONLY good battle memory, considering the Giants were the only entities that could dare to stand up to Full Arceus and give it a genuine fight.Thus, let this recontextualize Slow Start. Not as a curse bestowed upon Regigigas by a spiteful deity who resents the trial by fire it was thrust into (on the contrary, it loved that trial by fire so much that it created Pokemon with a similar yearning for combat and perpetaul self-improvement), but instead view Slow Start as tangible proof that Regigigas is among the physically mightiest of all the creatures Arceus made, but because all of that strength is contained in such a small body, it needs tons of time to actually exert it fully, especially when it spends most of its time in dormancy, since its one big job was to tow continents, and creating the other Regis was more of a pastime before it began its indefinite slumber.
>Giants mentioned on the platesThey refer to primordial titans that existed before the concept of space and time. This is the cosmogony of Pokemon as a fictional universe.>Giant for RegigigasHe just references his real-world inspirations/themes (giants pushing continents and/or Hebrew mythology, it's general). Pokedex classification that has no specific role in the story, such as when dogs or cats are mentioned in the classification that do not exist in the Pokémon world just to give children an idea.
>>58550160Does one require a certification?I can't actually do the exam due to time and there being no places in my area where I can do them.
>>58550176Everyone knows that Sucker Punch isn't necessarily a punch. It's literally a term for surprise attack, so the translation makes sense.
>>58552870>>And more than anything, just talk to Japanese players on 2chan and you'll see that this is common knowledge.I did. Most of them don't know or don't accept the theory. Heck, I've interacted with a lot more people in the English community who know about it. A few years back it was commonly referred to as 'Regialpha' and it made waves on Reddit.
We know that the primordial giants are not Pokémon. They were destroyed to be transformed into Plates, and Blank Plate exists.We also know that Teraleak considers Regigigas an entity originating from Earth, on the same level as Lugia and Ho-Oh, who manage their respective trios.We know that Regigigas's mission was to pull the continents together with ropes and protect ancient civilizations. However, people feared the Regis's powers, so they were imprisoned, sometimes even weakened, by humans. Regigigas has been sleeping for millennia, justifying its Slow Start ability.We know that Varoom also has this ability because it has difficulty starting for reasons as logical as Regigigas's.We know that Aus is just a code name, and that the other Legendary Pokémon of Generation 4 also have similar code names.
>>58555231>Where's the lore about a curse cast by Arceus?>Where's the lore about Regigigas having already battled Arceus?>Where's the lore about Regigigas being one of the giants defeated by Arceus?in the teraleaks
>>58555334No.
>>58555397No, these are fanfiction stories made up from the loose threads found in the Teraleak. The Blank Plate existing also outright disproves that Regigigas was a former Giant.
>>58555397Weird, I can't find it anywhere. I've looked through the full teraleak file and there's nothing that mentions this
>>58555320>Thus, let this recontextualize Slow Start. Not as a curse bestowed upon Regigigas by a spiteful deity who resents the trial by fire it was thrust into (on the contrary, it loved that trial by fire so much that it created Pokemon with a similar yearning for combat and perpetaul self-improvement), but instead view Slow Start as tangible proof that Regigigas is among the physically mightiest of all the creatures Arceus made, but because all of that strength is contained in such a small body, it needs tons of time to actually exert it fully, especially when it spends most of its time in dormancy, since its one big job was to tow continents, and creating the other Regis was more of a pastime before it began its indefinite slumber.i feel like if you have to make up all this bullshit to make slow start make sense you just might be wrong
>>58555409nah it's in there
>>58555412It's of the same level of bullshit as "SLOW START IS ACTUALLY CURSE ARCEUS PASSED ONTO REGIGIGAS BECAUSE REGIGIGAS IS ACTUALLY A FRAGMENT OF A PRIMORDIAL GIANT AND ARCEUS ACTUALLY HATES THOSE GUYS SO FUCKING MUCH THAT IT KEPT ONE ALIVE JUST TO TORTURE IT AND FORCED IT TO PULL THE CONTINENTS AROUND INSTEAD OF JUST MAKING EVERYTHING IN THE IDEAL IMAGE IT HAD IN MIND RIGHT FROM THE START" except it actually respects the characterization we were given about Arceus as a mostly benevolent, occasionally mischievous being who only wishes to curate a world where its creations can experience the same joys that Arceus itself experienced when it was born and thrust into the adrenaline-filled thrill of combat against the primordial giants.
>>58555397Why are you lying? There's none of that in Teraleak.Why are Regignosis's defenders always dishonest in their responses?
>>58555408>The Blank Plate existing also outright disproves that Regigigas was a former Giant.you get it when you defeat regigigas because he's the normal giant>>58555427>IF I REPEAT WHAT MY OPPONENT SAYS IN ALL CAPS IT MAKES THEM WRONGArceus can kill some giants and still be good. it was self defense, the giants attacked Arceus just for existing.
>>58555438>you get it when you defeat regigigas because he's the normal giantNo fucking way dude, you mean the Rock Giant's disgraced form is a random Alpha Vespiquen who lacks any signs of noble blood and isn't even a Rock Pokemon in the first place? Because that's who you receive the Stone Plate from.>it was self defense, the giants attacked Arceus just for existing.And I'm choosing to acknowledge that Arceus views the fight against the Giants as an extremely positive memory rather than a traumatic horror, because it then went on to create Pokemon in its likeness: creatures who have an insatiable lust for battle and literally cannot get enough of it until they become the strongest version of themselves they can possibly be and then defeat every single one of their opponents they hope to conquer.
Arceus has always been portrayed as a godlike entity capable of creation. Its powers are sub-themes of light and dimensions, in addition to its ability to change Type.It is even a passive entity that almost never acts directly and is content to simply observe.It is much more akin to a personification of beginnings, like a kind of Big Bang.There is nothing in its powers, descriptions, actions, or themes that corresponds to curses. It came out of nowhere and is inconsistent.
I reckon moves like U-turn, Mirror Move, Confuse Ray, Glare, Sucker Punch, and the ability Carefree translate the ability better. There’s some junk that matters, but not most. Also on second thought Dragonfly Returm, Parrot Mimicry, Snake Glare all sound like errors in the original translation.To give you something they shoulda translated Wobbuffet better. He’s a good punchline. What point are you trying to make.
>>58555458>And I'm choosing to acknowledge that Arceus views the fight against the Giants as an extremely positive memory rather than a traumatic horror, because it then went on to create Pokemon in its likeness: creatures who have an insatiable lust for battle and literally cannot get enough of it until they become the strongest version of themselves they can possibly be and then defeat every single one of their opponents they hope to conquer.what does this have to do with regigigas
>>58555459>almostso it does act directly sometimes. so there's no issue.
>>58555438>Iron Plate held by Heatran (steel type)>Meadow Plate held by Lilligant (grass type)>Flame Plate held by Arcanine (fire type)>Splash Plate held by Basculegion (water type)>Zap Plate held by Electrode (electrik type)>Mind Plate held by Weerdyr (psychic type)>Icicle Plate held by Avalugg (ice type)>Earth Plate held by Ursaluna (ground type)>Sky Plate held by Briavary (flying type)>Toxic Plate held by Sneasler (poison type)>Insect Plate held by Kleavor (bug type)>Spooky Plate held by Volo who is allied with Giratina (ghost type)>Pixie Plate held by Cogita which has special links with Enamorus (fairy type)>Dread Plate held by Cresselia which is closely linked to Darkrai (a mythical with special encounter conditions with BDSP, no choice but to use Cresselia)>Draco Plate held by Mesprit, Azelf and Uxie (because they can be used to create the item to control Dialga/Palkia, dragon type)>Roc Plate in Obsidian Fieldlands the obsidian that enabled Scyther (a bug) to become Kleavor (rock type)Giving the Blank Plate to Regigigas was simply the logical choice, since the bosses (Legendary and Noble) all have plates related to their type in some way.This is yet another fine example of Regignosis's dishonesty; he'll ignore everything and only consider what suits him to promote his fanfiction, despite the inconsistencies.And whether it's Regigigas or another Pokémon holding the Blank Plate doesn't change the fact that the Normal-type giant is already dead, and therefore it's NOT Regigigas.Because, according to the data, the giants were killed to be turned into plates. It's irrefutable, so don't look for absurd excuses.
>>58555478Because if Arceus hated the Giants enough to keep one around as a fractured version of itself, curse it with Slow Start and torture it by forcing it to tow the continents instead of just arranging Earth in the way it wanted from the very start, why would Pokemon even be battle-hungry freaks in the first place? Wouldn't that inform that Arceus actually hates battling and that the existence it goes on to create would be one where its creations never have to live in combat or strife?Any resemblance Regigigas may or may not have is clearly meant to be a show of respect to the Giants themselves, considering their power was poured into the type system that all Pokemon operate by, as evidenced by the nature of the plates that Arceus uses for its Multitype ability.
>>58555487>Because, according to the data, the giants were killed to be turned into plates.yeah and you get the blank one when you "kill" Regigigas, because he's the normal giant. this is the only game where the Blank Plate shows up. it's not in gen 4. this isn't retrofitting an old item like the other plates, it was intentionally created for PLA with this encounter in mind.
>>58555069Birds other than parrots are capable of mimicry. Many birds are capable of mimicking a calls of other species pretty well too, even if they don't have the range of parrots. The point is that Mirror Move being connected to flying Pokemon isn't something you can really decipher from the localization. But only the most autistic (you) person would yell "PIDGEOT ISN'T A PARROT!" right after it just used fucking Heat Wave.
>>58555497You're so desperate, it's getting worrying.So Heatran is the Steel-type giant? Arcanine the Fire-type giant? Because we "kill" them and they drop the plate.The truth is, Regigigas has been holding the plate since the beginning.If it were enough to defeat him to get the plate because it came from him, it would be explained and we'd see it in every game. Which isn't the case.Just accept that your headcanon makes no sense, it's okay, life goes on.
>>58555196you are about things but you don't understand the language structure that forms it. How きょだい is an explicit categorical proper noun designating race, people, species, and doing so in a very specific matter that denotes "large beyond large." This exact same notion is etched on the flame plate in プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから Specifically the way it calls きょじん that is distinct from all other A-Adjectives used in pokemon to describe merely large in notion (size, appearance, scope) rather than race (ダイマックス, 巨きょ人, キョダイマックス).No matter how you try to philosophically wax about this in a general sense, this is a matter linguistic clarity in a language you clearly don't understand and therefore aren't getting the context laid within.If Regigigas was just a "giant" he would be 巨人 like the other regis. But he is no, he is きょだい which is the same as プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから. There is no getting around this without addressing your comprehension of the Japanese linguistic constructs of words, meanings, and how they are used. The two are distinctly the same.>>58555373Post the thread then.>>58555408Power of a defeated giant is in the plate. The normal plate. The one held by a きょだい that is also normal and clearly has been reduced to a meager form of it's full power.
>>58555542Plate are held by guardians assigned by Arceus. Regigigas has the blank plate, which was never before seen in the future. Regigigas holding the plate that holds the power of the Normal type giant, hidden from Arceus is quite telling.
>>58555546>The one held by a きょだい that is also normal and clearly has been reduced to a meager form of it's full power.No fucking way dude, you mean the Rock Giant's disgraced form is a random Alpha Vespiquen who lacks any signs of noble blood and isn't even a Rock Pokemon in the first place? Because that's who you receive the Stone Plate from.
>>58555497>yeah and you get the blank one when you "kill" Regigigas, because he's the normal giant.My headcanon doesn't accept inconsistencies, so I invent even more nonsense.Damn, man, it was Arceus who turned the giants into Plate Pokémon. Not some random human with their team of six ordinary Pokémon. And the Plate transformation means the giant is destroyed; it ceases to exist.
>>58555555FUCKIN' REGIGCHECKED
>>58555555Damn, so Arceus really trusted that random Alpha Vespiquen that much with the Stone Plate, huh? One who lacked noble blood or any actual association with the Rock Type beyond being doubly weak to it, and it was the honorable bearer of such an artifact? Crazy dude, crazy...
>>58555546Oh please, even the explanation about the giant immensely immense doesn't hold water. Have you seen the size of Regigigas? It's barely bigger than Groudon. No matter how you look at it, it'll still be flawed.
>>58555566You didn't read what I said. The KNOWN plates are all held by Alpha Pokemon that were given them to be guarded by those specific pokemon as they are Arceus' plates made from the corpses of the defeated giants. The one plate that has never ever been seen, is with Regigigas, when he reacts to the other plates you have (only pokemon that explicitly acknowledges the plates) and rages to attack you for presenting them.This conveys that the one plate Arceus never had, the blank plate, was a power held by Regigigas, the defeated, weaken, sealed きょだい
>>58555591>Roc Plate in Obsidian Fieldlands the obsidian that enabled Scyther (a bug) to become Kleavor (rock type)This has already been addressed above in a comment explaining each plate.The vast majority of plates are accurate, but a few are less precise due to restrictions on the types of Legendary or Noble Pokémon.
>>58555542you should read posts before you respond to them because i just addressed that exact point
>>58555594you continue to consider "giant" in the notion of "size' rather than "race" the way it is written in japanese, きょだい. The distinction is specific and clarifies the race it is talking about is roughly approximate to "Giant beyond giants." and this is subsequently only used 1 other time in the game, and that is the flame plate stating プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから Please understand that in Japanese it is distinctly referring to race not size when describing Regigigas and the giants on the plate, seperate from the various other "giant" usages in the game that are all a-adjectives in japanese to convey giant as in size: ダイマックス, 巨きょ人, キョダイマックス
>>58555603It was never seen prior to Arceus because Arceus has always been Normal Type by default, therefore the plate's existence is unnecessary.The only reason it suddenly exists in Arceus is because there are no held items, therefore the plates serve a new role as story-relevant collectibles, and as soon as held items return in SV, guess what? Blank Plate fucks off again instead of being integrated into the modern day, because Arceus doesn't need a plate to become Normal Type, meanwhile suddenly out of fucking nowhere there's a new distinction between the Griseous Orb which previously permitted Giratina to assume its true form, and the brand new Griseous Core introduced in Arceus, which is what ACTUALLY changes its form now, and is suddenly available in the modern day.>>58555614Damn, so Arceus really trusted that random Alpha Vespiquen that much with the Stone Plate, huh? One who lacked noble blood or any actual association with the Rock Type beyond being doubly weak to it and living in the same place as the Noble Kleavor, and instead of Kleavor, it was this random Vespiquen who was the honorable bearer of such an artifact? Crazy dude, crazy...
>>58555603Stop repeating the same nonsense over and over.Heatran roars and attacks us immediately when he sees us. Same with Cresselia!That's literally what the legendary bosses do. Are you trying to tell me that Heatran is the Steel-type giant because he was holding Iron Plate and that he attacks us because he reacts to the plates in our bag? That's just a load of incoherent headcanon you're spouting.The only thing that reacts to the plates is the door that sealed the tomb. It's not Regigigas.
>>58555644The game in Japanese Explicitly states that Regigigas reacts to the plates. No other pokemon does this, they are just guarding their own personal plates as they were the alpha pokemon elevated to guard them by arceus, its literally explained in the fucking campaign. Regigigas is solely the only pokemon that requires other plates to interact with as he distinctly reacts and unseals in response to the plates, which are the corpses of the other giants. No other pokemon has the explicit distinction that they are responding to your plates except Regigigas.
>>58555570you're taking everything too literally, that's your problem. arceus defeats the other giants and obtains the other plates. plates for all types are found around sinnoh except for fairy, which didn't exist yet, and normal. which could mean nothing.in PLA you defeat regigigas and obtain a normal-type plate.if there was a normal-type plate all along, why wasn't it in DPPt? because the normal-type giant is still alive. and then in PLA your reward for defeating Regigigas is the normal-type plate. it's a deliberate parallel to the battle between Arceus and the giants.
>>58555620I read everything carefully, the problem is that you're inventing one fanfiction to justify another. Regigigas was holding the object because the normal-type giant had already been destroyed and transformed into a plate. And it wasn't Regigigas. It was Arceus who had the power to transform giants into plates. Please, have some consistency.
>>58555663No, the Japanese version of the game doesn't say that. Can you stop lying? It's just as ridiculous as when some people lie and claim Teraleak confirms your headcanon.Of course it does! Heatran roars and attacks us as soon as it sees us as Regigigas. You'll have to start a new game.No, the plates are used to open the door. We're asking for Steel, Ice, and Rock types, referencing the other games, because those are the types of the first three Regigigas, but they aren't available in this game. It's also to establish an order: you don't fight Regigigas until you've defeated Heatran.
>>58555667also addressing the gameplay necessity argument here >>58555638a normal-type plate in gen 4 would still boost the power of normal-type moves. in gen 2, items were added to boost moves of all types. the plates could have done the same. and if the normal giant is dead, there should be a normal plate somewhere in the game. but there isn't.
>>58550151Fushigidane means strange seed
>>58555667Unlike you, I respect the game's lore. You don't create a plate by knocking out a Legendary Pokémon with ordinary ones. It is a plate created by God with mythological writings.Just like the other Pokémon that held a plaque, they already held it before we arrived. Regigigas doesn't die. Retard.
>>58555726you should read posts before you respond to them because i just addressed that exact point
Why is Regifaggot always forced to lie and absurdly distort things.
>>58555737there is no lie in きょだい being the same as >プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから any japanese reader would tell you it is explicitly referring to the same specific race
>>58555729You didn't answer anything at all. You're just inventing fanfictions that don't work from a storytelling perspective with what's canon, under the pretext that it bothers you that your theory doesn't work.
>>58555423You sure?
>>58555663It's amazing how you think this image is a "gotcha" when it makes zero actual mention of Regigigas. In fact, you don't actually run into Regigigas in this additional passageway until a few additional minutes of traversal, where you have to get through a Glalie and several Bronzong. Golly, are they Defeated Giants too because they were sealed away with Regigigas in this chamber? Why didn't defeating or capturing them net me an additional Icicle Plate and several Mind and Iron Plates?You're just going on literal "trust me bro" fanfiction babble rather than an actual competent translation and insisting that your interpretation is the objectively correct one.>b-but the japanese version says...Nope. Stop right there.>の持っている がんせきプレートこうてつプレート つららのプレートが扉に反応した……!?More or less equates to, with some liberties taken to factor in how Japanese self-identity translates to English,>The Stone Plate, Iron Plate and Icicle Plate you held reacted to the door...!?The English localization stuck very close to the intent because there is no deeper intent to fuck up.
>>58555546If I can find it. Shouldn't take too long. Unless the jannies removed it
>>58555755that's what you're doing actually
>>58555555Based sex
>>58555603We're reaching with this one
>>58555768>Golly, are they Defeated Giants too because they were sealed away with Regigigas in this chamber? Why didn't defeating or capturing them net me an additional Icicle Plate and several Mind and Iron Plates?i reckon you just answered your own question
>>58555703The Blank Plate existing in modern day is unnecessary because its functionality is solely to be a reskin of the Silk Scarf, as again, Arceus is ALREADY NORMAL TYPE BY DEFAULT.The Griseous Core, meanwhile, DOES have merit to existing in the modern day, because they explicitly established why Dialga and Palkia didn't have their own Origin Forms when using the Adamant and Lustrous Orbs in previous titles; because they were never the Cores, which are what ACTUALLY incites the transformation, and the Griseous Orb was retconned into being another simple stat booster while the Core took its place as the transformer, therefore the Cores were brought forward into the modern day as of SV.
>>58555663Perhaps those plates reference the original three Regis? Maybe Regigigas was sealed away and could be freed either by the three Regis coming together, or someone gathering the plates.
>>58555792Its not a reach if you understand Japanese Linguistically. >>58555805Regardless, Regigigas' seal is only broken and he only awakens to the reaction of the plates.>>58555770I look forward to reading it when you do.
>>58555805That's the simplest answer, yes. It's a reference to how you had to bring the Regi Trio to Gigas in order to make it wake up and fight you, but because they weren't in this game, they assigned that role to the plates. GameFreak thought no deeper of it since no NPC and no flavor text makes speculative mention of why the plates do this, it's just a reference to wink and nod at players who played a game where you need the Regis to wake up Gigas, such as BDSP which came out just months prior to PLA.But Regignosis fags want to look so deep into this simple reference that they devise headcanons about events that never happened, such as "Regigigas itself reacts to the plates and attacks you in total outrage because you're carrying the corpses of its fallen brothers," meanwhile in the actual game Regigigas is just fucking chilling out, unbothered and waiting for Arceus' Chosen to come capture it because it knows its sacred duty is to be another trial towards the divine mission of "Seek all the Pokemon in Hisui."And guess what? Regigigas is a Pokemon in Hisui, so it counts towards that goal!
>>58555805In most games, you have to gather the Regi to awaken Regigigas. However, they aren't present in this game. So, as a reference, they simply included a door that reacts to these three plates. This also creates a sense of linearity in the story.
>>58555826Especially since it's the door that reacts to the plates, not Regigigas. And Pokémon like Heatran and Cresselia behave exactly like it. They see us, they scream, and they attack us.
>>58555824And I do understand it linguistically. I've lived in Japan for 6 years now. I've been playing all the games in Japanese and I played a role in translating a lot of the stuff in the teraleaks when they came out.
>>58555837The seal to Regigigas and awakening him from his slumber is the corpses of giants? Wild. Wonder why he is the only pokemon that explicitly requires and reacts to the corpses
>>58555844How do you know that's what Regigigas reacted to? How do you know it wasn't"Wow friend. Hi friend. I play with friend."
>>58555802you should read posts before you respond to them because i just addressed that exact point
>>58555840I implore you to separate きょだい from プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから being the exact same reference.Throughout the entire game Giants are always referred to as ダイマックス, 巨きょ人, キョダイマックス but only with Regigigas and the Plate is it specifically きょだい.
>>58555852>Senses the corpses of fallen giants>Wow friend?All cases point to Regigigas knowing what the plates are and his seal breaking and him awakening in response to them. No other pokemon is cognizant and reactionary to the corpses of giants beside Regigigas, the fallen weakened defeated giant.
>>58555844As we've already mentioned, this is a reference to Regice, Registeel, and Regirock, which were once necessary to awaken it.Here, it's not "the plates" that are needed, but the Steel, Ice, and Rock type plates, and NOT the others. And unlike all the other times, where Regice was used to trigger a reaction from Regigigas, here the plates are used to open a door.This context isn't arbitrary. The need for these three types of plates also contributes to the game's linear progression, allowing you to advance step by step.
the blank plate not existing in SV is a point in favor of it being reginigga's power. it exists only in the context of you receiving it from regigigas.
Can someone summarize the Regigigas schizo theory in at least 500 characters?
>>58555875>>58555877Why'd you post it twice little bro
>>58555852It attacks anyone who enters, just like the other legendary when you introduce yourself to them. It's not hard to understand. Especially since the player is the chosen one who must retrieve the plates that the Pokemon protect.
>>58555877>Flame Plate explains the plates are made of the power of defeated giants>Earth Plate explains that the plates are also the shards of the universal creation>pmyth5.2."AUSU" from Leak directly explains this>states that in the beginning there was nothing, then the cosmic egg appears and when it hatched, arceus(Aus) was born and the eggshells of the cosmic egg became giants of every element that attack Arceus out of "Jungian Fear of Existing after an eternity of non-existence." Arceus kills all the giants until they are nothing more than plates.>Giants are described as "きょだい" specifically "Kyoo~jin" which emphasises "Giant Giants" relative to other instances of other giants like the lesser regis being called 巨人 "Kyojin" just Giants.>Regigigas is referred to as the "きょだいポケモン" or "Kyoo~dai Pokemon">Leaked Emetology doc explains Regigigas' concept as being "きょじん" 'Kyojin" specifically like the giants mentioned in the flame plate>There was no normal plate until Legends Arceus. This lead most in the Japanese community to conclude that Regigigas was the normal type "Kyoo~Jin" that was defeated but not turned into a plate, just beaten and weakened by arceus.>Slow Start has the same premise as the move "Curse" that slow and curse are a pun together and imply that Regigigas was Cursed for his actions again Arceus.>Regigigas have Slow Start in every single game no matter what, even spinoffs to emphasize that he is always cursed by this even when abilities aren't present>Regigigas tries to remake his fallen giant brothers out of earthly materials in the form of the lesser regis>Arceus sees all of them as a threat and has humanity seal all of themThis explains why in the manga and anime Regigigas will throw hands the second he sees a creation trio member as well as why he is so fucking strong that he can throw palkia and Giratina around. He is the prime cosmic egg giant just in a weakened state.
>>58555875>>58555877regigigas is the last of a group of giants that attacked arceus at the beginning of all things. it was cursed with slowness and made to tow the continents as punishment. the lesser regis are it creating copies of its fallen kin.
>>58550151Dude, no one cares.
>>58555844They aren't literal corpses, though.Another thing people keep forgetting when they look at the Primordial Giants in any capacity, even beyond Regignosis, is that Arceus and the Primordial Giants are of the same cloth; Arceus was the lifeform within the egg, and the Giants are the egg that nurtured and protected it until it was ready to hatch. All of them were created simultaneously when the Egg was first wrought into being. Parts of the same whole.In other words, they're all effectively the same being, they just chose to split up and fight each other for funsies when it was time for Arceus to hatch, because it seemed like an entertaining idea rather than leaping straight into creation without an immediate grand design.And that battle between Arceus and the Giants was SUCH a fun time that it became a defining attribute of the world Arceus would go on to create, and alongside its own "Normal Type" aspects, Arceus used the aspects from its other selves, the Giants, and imbued them into the world and its lifeforms, which also involved creating the Plates as pure embodiments of those types and a means for Arceus to directly tap into the aspects of its other selves whenever it wants to play by the rules of its own creation.
>>58555892isn't the name regigigas also "king of giants" or something in latin
>>58555904>they're all effectively the same being, they just chose to split up and fight each other for funsies when it was time for Arceus to hatchFalse. The teraleak explicitly has notes that state that the Giants attacked Aus out of "Jungian Fear of Existence" after an eternity of non-existence. They wanted to kill the source of what made them existentially contemplate their own exist traumatizing them. Read "pMyth5.2 Ausu", it explains it and is the only origin myth that perfectly explains the entire Sinjoh Sigil as well as sets the concepts for the X/Y trio in how it describes the tree of life.
>>58555858I did, though. You should read posts yourself, brother.>The Blank Plate existing in modern day is unnecessary because its functionality is solely to be a reskin of the Silk Scarf, as again, Arceus is ALREADY NORMAL TYPE BY DEFAULT.You see what I did there? I observed how if the Blank Plate existed in SV, it would be a redundant item because it has no purpose other than to do the exact same thing the Silk Scarf does. Why do there need to be two items who serve the same role? As again, ARCEUS IS ALREADY NORMAL TYPE BY DEFAULT.
>>58555925>B-B-BUT THE TERALEAKIf the idea of existing was so fucking mortifying to all of them, why didn't Arceus kill itself after winning?Again, they're of the same cloth, created at the exact same time, created as the exact same combined entity; The Egg and its cradle. If the experience was so traumatizing to all of them, it should've traumatized Arceus too, and it should've killed itself after ensuring its brothers and sisters were spared the existential terror of existing after only knowing nonexistence prior.
>>58555931you explained it only from a gameplay perspective. not from a story perspective, which is what I am discussing.
Bros, I found this.https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1omzjid/regigigas_theory_from_the_japanese_community/
>>58555859When will you understand that a Pokédex entry doesn't tell a story? It's just a word to give an idea of a Pokémon's appearance, theme, or inspiration. It's meant to guide children.Regigigas is inspired by several races of mythological giants, those who move continents with ropes, and those from Hebrew mythology. This means its Japanese entry perfectly reflects these themes. Its lore about ropes for pulling continents, its appearance, and the Braille text actively support this. A Pokémon that comes from the earth.While the giants on the plates refer to primordial titans that exist beyond the concept of space-time, before anything existed. This is Pokémon's own reinterpretation of its cosmogony. But giants as a race aren't exclusive to Pokémon; they come from the real world from different mythologies and popular culture.Dogs and cats don't exist in Pokémon, yet these are classifications used to guide children. Groudon and Torterra share the same classification, yet they are different beings; they share no history, are not related, have different powers, and are not continents in the strict sense of the word. Because a Pokedex classification doesn't tell a story. Your theory is based on nothing more than that, give up.
it's telling how the regignosis argument has remained consistent throughout this entire thread while the anti-regignosis crowd keeps switching to new points as they get repeatedly trounced.
>>58555954And if you're insinuating "Regigigas canonically dies in PLA", then you shouldn't actually be able to get an audience with Arceus, because you needed to capture Regigigas to fulfill God's divine mission of "seek all the Pokemon in Hisui."You can't do that if you just killed the sole instance of Regigigas, a Pokemon in Hisui who meets the criteria for earning your meeting with God.
>>58555945The Teraleak explains plainly with the notes. Aus was born as the God of this universe that was nothing but chaos at first and the Giants had Jungian fear of existing and blamed Aus for making them exist. Aus has no jungian fear of existing because Aus is existence itself, the shaper of the universe out of the endless chaos.Aus was attacked, endured, and then subsequently killed all the giants of each elemental type and pounded their bodies into the plates. That is why in every animated appearance of the plates, they are shaped specifically like traditional Japanese Coffins. They are the corpses of the slayed giants. This is obvious to the japanese player.
>>58555970It straight up copies>>58555892Idk if a random anon copied it, or if the anon who made the post also posted on Reddit. Either way, this sounds like a funny way to troll.
>>58555873No, it's simply not relevant to include it due to the mechanics. This has already been explained above.
>>58555979If the Plates are corpses, then so are the Pokemon themselves, who were shaped out of the energy the Giants left behind, otherwise all of them would be Normal Types, "God's Type", created after Arceus's own energy.A corpse that can reproduce, mutate, distort, evolve, and adapt.It sounds less like Arceus literally killed the Giants and more that it reshaped them into a state of being more existence for suitable as a whole, quelling their existential terrors by spreading them so thinly that they can't possibly think about the primordial horrors they were once so attuned to when they exist as millions, billions, possibly even trillions of different lifeforms all at once, all constantly being born, dying, growing old, finding love, achieving conquests in battle, bonding with trainers, living lavish, enduring hardship under cruelty, and all the other countless variables that make up the existence they so feared in their grandiose, singular states.
>>58556001>more existence for suitableMore suitable for existence, don't know what the fuck happened there.
>>58555925Except that the real Teraleak document isn't your image, which isn't representative of Teraleak. In Teraleak, Regigigas isn't a defeated giant. It's a Pokémon that comes from the earth and is the master of a trio like Ho-Oh and Lugia. Therefore, it's on the same level as the two birds in the towers.
>>58555972If Regigigas was any old giant or was just being referred to as big or even just a "giant race" vaguely, it would be ダイマックス for large in size but an a-adjective in Japanese describing something in scope or size, 巨きょ人 for Giant race (normal) like the others regis are referred to, or キョダイマックス like dynamax pokemon which is an a-adjective in japanese, not a noun typifier of a race.but Regigigas is different, they explicitly call it きょだい. Giant above Giants. Which is only ever used in one other place. ON THE FLAME PLATE stating プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから>>58556001Pokemon are alive and every single one is sourced from Arceus, this is explained explicitly by Cynthia at the Sinjoh Ruins as the only instance that someone has seen an egg made. It is materialized by arceus when two pokemon breed.
>>58555982Why would an anon here post on Reddit?
>>58556020I'm not talking about ordinary giants, but about races of mythological giants who move continents. Or even Hebrew giants.Besides, you're just repeating the same thing over and over while ignoring the topic. Retard.
>>58556009Wrong, regigigas is labeled a "creator God" as he, Lugia, and Ho-oh are the only pokemon that can create other pokemon. The Mirage Trio are created by Lugia's psychic powers. The Legendary beasts are reincarnations of dead pokemon revived by Ho-oh's powerAnd Regigigas is the sole pokemon that can create other pokemon out of simple earthly materials. They are governed by the emotion opposite of their nature, Mespirit the emotion pokemon holding back the emotionless golems.Regigigas being denoted in the Sinjoh Sigil isn't proof against his Giant nature, its proof of it as it is the only story that aligns perfectly with "pmyth5.2 AUSU" that explains Dragonite, Gyarados, and Tyranitar as well as the X/Y Tree of life.>>58556040There are 4 different "Giants" used in pokemon and きょだい. is only used exclusively for the giants on the plate and for Regigigas. there is no reason why they would only use "Giant among Giants" for Regigigas when "Giants" like the other regis is an available word as well as other concepts of large pokemon like dynamax and gigantamax. But no, Regigigas is only referred to as the きょだい. Giant among Giants, just like the giants in the flame plate プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから
>>58555978>And if you're insinuating "Regigigas canonically dies in PLA"i'm not insinuating that. you are being too literal again.
>>58556036Believe it or not, but a lot of anons here use Reddit. It's just funnier
>>58556020Of course they all still have connection to Arceus, but if they were purely of Arceus' ilk, as I stated earlier, all of them would be Normal Types, "God's Type".Instead we have one of its earliest creations, Mew, the common ancestor of all Pokemon, who embodies Psychic, an attribute stolen from one of the Primordial Giants. This should be extremely telling that the Plates are not the sole use of the energy of the Primordial Giants, therefore the Plates aren't true corpses.Rather, their coffin shape is because they just embody the ending of the Primordial Giants in their original 17 forms before they were endlessly fractured into the countless lifeforms that comprise the universe Arceus created.This is the the only possible way Arceus could end their fear of existence by making it outright impossible to think about that existential terror if Arceus refused to kill itself, by splitting their minds across so many different priorities, all at once, in countless places, that the dread no longer has a place to belong and be the defining precedent of their continued existences.For Arceus' own continued existence would cause the Primordial Giants to still exist in some capacity even after total death, and therefore, some aspect of them would be suffering immeasurably under the enduring trauma of existing. Even just Arceus' memory of the Primordial Giants would cause them to suffer after being eradicated, because the experience that shaped Arceus would live on, proof that they existed, and still DO exist, because that experience shapes how Arceus moved forward with its act of creation.
>>58556060>and therefore, some aspect of them would be suffering immeasurably under the enduring trauma of existing.Literally Regigigas. He is cursed, weakened, taken away from his creations, sealed, and reduced in power to be level 1 for his defiance against Aus.
>>58556052Aren't you tired of making up false things and adding a huge layer of headcanon?In Teraleak's theory, Regigigas isn't one of the defeated giants; nothing supports that, and its placement in the diagram as a Pokémon equal to Ho-Oh and Lugia only reinforces the incompatibility.No, Teraleak does much worse than that. He confirms that the defeated giants aren't Pokémon.What's unpleasant about you is that you distort everything to the extreme to promote your shaky theory.
>>58556088>Aren't you tired of making up false things and adding a huge layer of headcanon?dunno. are you?
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/1omzjid/regigigas_theory_from_the_japanese_community/
>>58556101Why would I be tired of a thing I'm not doing?
>>58556078>「レジギガス は 調子が あがらない!」He is not cursed; he has been asleep for millennia and needs time to awaken and find the motivation to use his full potential. It's like Varoom, who needs to let his engine warm up a bit before he can go full throttle.Arceus does not canonically possess the power to curse.He has powers to create beings, move things across dimensions, or create dimensions, and is associated with light.
>>58556088The teraleak also confirms the difference between the kotoamatsukami and the avatar and that the pokemon avatar is not the actual kotoamatsukami. Aus is the God, Arceus is the avatar. Ia and Ea are the gods of space and time, Palkia and Dialga are their avatars. Likewise, the original form of Regigigas being a giant, not a pokemon, conforms with it being reduced and cursed as a lower being despite being a "Giant among Giants" explicitly different from any other kind of giant because it is not.I reiterate for those that don't understand japanese and are just floating off the translations, If Regigigas was any old giant or was just being referred to as big or even just a "giant race" vaguely, it would be ダイマックス for large in size but an a-adjective in Japanese describing something in scope or size, 巨きょ人 for Giant race (normal) like the others regis are referred to, or キョダイマックス like dynamax pokemon which is an a-adjective in japanese, not a noun typifier of a race.
>>58556111>Arceus does not canonically possess the power to curse.he's fucking omnipotent dude
>>58556111>curses giratina to the distortion realm for rebelling against him>His signature move is literally "Divine Judgement"come on now
>>58556101You're annoying.You make up things that aren't in the games or Teraleak, you deliberately ignore context, all to spread misinformation dishonestly. We debunk you and call out your lies, but you play the mirror game because you have nothing else to offer. It's not even the first time you've done this during the discussion.
>>58556078Why would Regigigas be singled out in this case, then? If the state of Regigigas STILL isn't enough to soothe the suffering of existing, craving the comfort of nonexistence that will NEVER be possible so long as Arceus continues to want to live, shouldn't ALL OTHER POKEMON be in a similar state of everlasting agony because their cruel and unusual God won't do the right thing by deleting the universe and killing itself, therefore ending existence and returning all to oblivion?Why is ONLY REGIGIGAS special in this regard?
if the giants aren't pokemon than>Arceus>Dialga>Palkia>Giratina*>Uxie>Mespirit>Azelf>Groudon>Kyogre>Rayquaza>Latias>Latios>Metagrossaren't pokemon either. yet we can still catch and battle with them.
>>58556141you are upset because you are losing an internet argument
>>58556114No, Aus isn't the true god. It's a code name that refers to Arceus. All the Legendary Pokémon of Generation 4 have these code names.No, there's no original form for Regigigas; you're making it up.And no, Regigigas isn't just an ordinary giant in the sense of being tall.We've already explained that it refers to the race of giants who pull the continents (hence its role), but also to inspirations from Hebrew giants with their Braille texts. This is also reflected in its design.
>>58556143Pokemon are all sourced from eggs Arceus creates. It is explicitly shown at the Sinjoh Ruins. Arceus' creations are not fragments of the Cosmic Egg wrangling with the existential prospect of existing after eternal non-existence. They are its creations that act as it deserves, meant to work along with humans.Read pmyth5.2 AUSU.Regigigas just wasn't killed and turned into a plate like the others, he was weakened, cursed and forced to carry the continents as punishment for his actions against Aus. The only reason people think Aus couldn't kill him was because he was the same element as him, normal, and could kill him. Similar to how in Pmyth4 we get the explanation that was added extremely late in development for Arceus having to put Giratina in the distortion realm because it was Arceus' shadow that it couldn't actually kill. (Giratina was NOT in the original Sinjoh Sigil and was added at the last second based on a different pmyth than the one that is the main source for the game's lore, pmyth5.2 AUSU
>>58556133These are beams of light whose type varies depending on the plate being held. This has nothing to do with a curse.
>Regigigas just wasn't killed and turned into a plate like the others, he was weakened, cursed and forced to carry the continents as punishment for his actions against Aus. The only reason people think Aus couldn't kill him was because he was the same element as him, normal, and could kill him.Headcanon
>>58556152You're the one who lost; you demonstrated your inability to answer on topic.
>>58556168Then explain why he is きょだい (giant among giants) just like the flame plate describes プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから In all of the games there are multiple concepts for giants, even another race of giants that is specifically for the other regis, 巨人, but these are distinct from what Regigigas and the Flame Plate giants are.>>58556179The plates being the corpses of dead giants who Arceus steals the elemental power of because the egg shell is just as much a part of it.
>>58556175Right. And all the Pokemon were created using the stolen essences of the Primordial Giants (see: Mew being based on the Psychic Type Giant's essence rather than Arceus' own type, Normal Type, AKA "God's Type").Therefore, the other giants still exist in the forms of all Pokemon, still suffer under the Jungian Fear of Existing because they continue to exist in som ecapacity, and if Regigigas itself is still suffering, all other Pokemon must be suffering too.So I beg, plead, beseech, WHY is Regigigas special? ALL Pokemon are beings who suffer solely because they exist, because again, Arceus will not do the MORALLY CORRECT THING by DELETING THE UNIVERSE, PURGING ALL LIFE, AND /KILLING ITSELF/ SO THAT THE MEMORY THAT KEEPS THE GIANTS EXISTING CAN FINALLY FADE AWAY, ALLOWING THEM TO RETURN TO THE PEACEFUL COMFORTS OF OBLIVION.
>>58556189>The only reason people think Aus couldn't kill him was because he was the same element as him, normal, and could kill him.nobody said this
>>58556214See>>58556175
>>58556193i refused to humor your inane babbling, you mean
>>58556175Giratina is essential for the balance of the world. Before its banishment, it was revered in the same way as Dialga and Palkia; I suspect it played a role comparable to those two, but this is never explicitly stated. There was a statue representing it in Hisui.However, after its banishment for its violence, humans erased it from historical accounts and destroyed everything used to venerate or promote it.
>>58556201There is no Jungian Fear for pokemon, they are creations of Arceus. You can't just put the notions of the giants on pokemon at large, as the pmyth5.2 AUSU explicitly states that they are NOT pokemon. Their Essence is used to create Ea and Ai, who then create pokemon and humans from different means. Regigigas is special because he is the last fragment of the "Giant among Giants." Living in a weakened, cursed, sealed state for its actions against Arceus because Arceus, for whatever reason, could not kill it because it was part of it similar to Giratina in pmyth4, which explains why he just weakened, cursed, and sealed him. Humanity was also commanded to seal all the other regis by Arceus.No other pokemon has lore about humans being specifically instructed to seal them by God for their dangerous powers.
>>58556244I think Regigigas said uncle and that's why Arceus didn't kill it. dude just gave up. that makes more sense, I think.
>>58556244It's never stated that God ordered the Regis to be sealed away; that's headcanon. The Regis protected ancient civilizations, but they were afraid of their powers, so they were sealed away.Arceus doesn't have the power to cast curses.Regigigas is just a tired Pokémon that spends its time in a sleepy state. Even the Japanese text when you send it out to battle specifies that it's not in good shape. And Varoom isn't cursed, even though it has that ability.The Pokédex classifications aren't lore, and Regigigas's classification is easily explained by the fact that it's one of the giants that pull from the continents and the Hebrew giants linked to Braille texts, as well as its physical appearance.
>>58556211I'm not using translate you retard
>>58556244>There is no Jungian Fear for pokemon, they are creations of Arceus.Mew, the common ancestor of all Pokemon who were created after Arceus, is a Psychic Type. Arceus' native type is Normal. It cannot become Psychic without harnessing the power of the Psychic Type Primordial Giant. Therefore, Arceus used the stolen essence of that entity, lingering traces of its existence, tangible proof that the Psychic Type Primordial Giant is still suffering even after death, and used it to craft Mew.Mew, thus, is the direct daughter (because it births Mewtwo) of the Psychic Giant. And since she is a carrier of the Psychic Giant's existence, for a being so strongly defined by the Jungian Fear of Existing that it fought against the act of creation itself because it valued oblivion above all else, she too will carry that fear, because it's so hard-baked into the very concept of "Psychic Type", that Mew is suffering just as her father did, terrified by the prospect of having to exist, continue to exist, and even worse, being forced to spread existence by virtue of being the spawning point of all other Pokemon, who will also be formed from the essences of the Primordial Giants. Mew is in actual hell, and cannot do anything to stop her fate.This same logic applies to all other Pokemon who were created, and since Regigigas also suffers, this means fellow Pure Normal Types also suffer the fear of existing, because Arceus clearly used Regigigas' Normal Power to create the other Normal Pokemon rather than its own godly powers.In brief, Arceus is a cruel, malicious and spiteful being who selfishly values its own wants over the morally correct choice of valuing the wants of the majority. One cry of "I want to LIVE!" versus Eighteen cries of "I want to CEASE!" and Arceus those the One over the Eighteen.
>>58556288Schizophrenic fanfic lmao
>>58556288This is also why Pure Psychic Pokemon are attuned to foreseeing finality. Gothitelle can see lifespans, including that of existence itself, and Alakazam yearns to become so smart it can look into the future and see when everything ends, to give itself that knowledge and cling to it.They literally CRAVE oblivion just as much as their Primordial Giant ancestors do, because they share the same suffering of existing.
>>58556288>she too will carry that fearBut Mew doesn't because it was created in the pokemon world, not in the realm of endless chaos that the giants came to exist in.Just because "type" energy comes from the Giants doesn't put their psychological precepts on the pokemon that embody that type. Also Mew having the Genes of all pokemon doesn't mean its the actual origin of all pokemon. The Avatars of Aus, Ea, Ai, and the Lake Trio which are definitively pokemon were all created BEFORE humanity and pokemon were made in the pokemon Earth according to pmyth5.2 AUSU.>>58556304Now you've just gone off the ranch with the premise. The psychology of the giants is sealed with them in their plates. The plates essences were used to create the Gods of Time and Space. Pokemon were then create along with human to be stewards of the Earth in unity.
so to recap>giants attacked arceus upon its birth>the giants were defeated and made into plates representing pokemon types>there is no normal type platethree possible conclusions can be drawn from this1. the giants do not match the types 1:12. the giants do match the types 1:1, but there was never a normal giant3. the giants do match the types 1:1, there was a normal giant, but it was never made into a platecontinuing,>PLA has no held items>a new plate was made to change Arceus to normal type>Regigigas holds it>this item does not return in future games, even when the other plates do, and even when other items from PLA like the griseous core dothe blank plate may or may not exist outside of gameplay, and its placement may or may not be significantadditionally,>regigigas is described as a gianter giant than other giants, and its name means "king of giants" in latin>beings described in the leaked creation myths as not being pokemon can still behave like pokemon in game>the unown are implied to have some connection to arceus, and resemble the english alphabet, the regi puzzles use braillemake of all of this what you will
>>58556318But all the types aside from Arceus' Godly Normal are so defined by the existential torment of the Primordial Giants that you simply cannot remove that from them, as it's baked into their entire existence, the same way their types are. They're one in the same, two sides of the same coin, one just as defining to a Giant as the other.And if Regigigas continues to suffer, so do all other Pokemon. Regigigas is not a special outlier in Arceus' wrath, it has condemned all Pokemon to this fate by creating them out of the stolen essences of the Primordial Giants, and forces them to oversee, nurture, grow and prosper these aspects of existence that they all would rather not be a part of.All because Arceus chose the selfish desire of One over the unified desire of Eighteen.
>>58556347>you simply cannot remove that from them, as it's baked into their entire existence, the same way their types arewhat if i use soak
>>58556350Temporary. You're also simply replacing their current essence with the Water Giant's essence, so while the type may change, the suffering persists as it's a quality shared by all Giants and anything created using their essence.
>>58556361>Cyndaquil uses Burn Up>It no longer has giant essence.Nice job schizo
>>58556379Temporary. It'll regain its essence after the battle, and then it'll suffer again even more deeply than before, and resent the fact it was allowed to know a state of being without its ties to the Primordial Giants.
>>58556347>Arceus Godly NormalAus and Arceus are two different things. Aus is the kotoamatsukami while Arceus is its avatar. This is explicitly shown at the end of P:LA when you he gifts you "a portion of my power' and you get AN arceus. Its not actually the God itself, Aus, just its Avatar. Your presumption that the almighty entity and the cosmic egg doesn't pass the smell test. Pokemon are purely created outside of the world of chaos, in the Earth of the pokemon world, created from the combination of Ea and Ai proliferating life from the essence they both had from arceus using all the plates to create them both (their Godhood, not their avatars Dialga and Palkia.)Pokemon come from their creation, sourced in the Eggs that Arceus provides for pokemon who breed. There is no lingering trauma of the giants as obvious, shown in every game, the pokemon are fine. There is nothing to support your continued psychology of the non-pokemon giants into the pokemon themselves when they are 3 layers removed from the giants and were created in the Earth of the pokemon world and not the endless chaos.
>>58556342In APL, Kami and Creation Trio can change form with a single item. They could have done the same with Arceus without needing a Normal-type Plate. But they preferred to create a Plate that contains the essence of the Normal type from the Normal-type Giant, also to add text to it.Its absence in other games is for mechanical reasons; it would be useless since the Normal type is the type Arceus assumes without a Plate.For Griseous Orb/Core, it's useful, as it allows for an item that boosts both Dragon and Ghost-type moves without requiring a form change. It also allows for alignment with Dialga and Palkia.Regigigas holds the Plate because it's a Legendary Pokémon that acts as a boss with the Normal type.Regigigas is not a defeated Giant. It's on the same level as Ho-Oh and Lugia, and its story boils down to towing continents and protecting human civilizations before being sealed away by the very humans who feared it. Keep in mind that a Pokédex entry doesn't tell a story, and no text supports your theory.Once again, you're being dishonest and distorting everything.
>>58556409So if Regigigas is a Giant, which isn't a Pokemon, why are we allowed to capture it in a Poke Ball? Poke Balls don't work on Non-Pokemon entities, as seen with how they bounce off of humans and don't try to suck them in.Aus apparently isn't powerful enough to fully eradicate Regigigas which is where the whole idea of the burdens of Regignosis comes from, but apparently it is powerful enough to rewrite Regigigas' conceptual existence by reshaping it from a Giant into a Pokemon?
>>58556474>Regigigas is not a defeated Giant.of course not, it's just a Giant
>>58556474There is no distortion in きょだい being reserved for Regigigas and the giants in the flame plate プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじ.>>58556485It weakened and defeated Regigigas but didn't slay him and make him a plate. And Regigigas is a "Giant above Giants" きょだい which is only used to describe it and the flame plate giants プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじIf regigigas was any other type of giant, it would be called 巨人 like the other regis "race" is designated or キョダイマックス for large like dynamax pokemon or ダイマックス for giant in size, scope, or fんたちの ちから. orm.
>>58556485>So if Regigigas is a Giant, which isn't a Pokemon, why are we allowed to capture it in a Poke Ball?see >>58556342>>beings described in the leaked creation myths as not being pokemon can still behave like pokemon in gameand >>58556147
>>58556485Because Regigigas is a legendary Pokémon that comes from the earth and has its own purpose (to pull the continents and protect human civilizations). The giants mentioned on the plates are primordial titans that are not Pokémon, originating from Arceus eggshells, and they have no connection to Regigigas. It's just some schizophrenic repeating his favorite fanfiction over and over, while refusing to admit he's wrong.And he's just going to cobble together an incoherent answer, pulled out of his imagination. Because neither Teraleak nor the games (in any language) support his headcanon. That's why he needs to invent things to make his theory seem credible.
>>58556485He was weakened and reduced to a pokemon and on top of that cursed and made slow and weak. Its a proper divine punishment for raging against God.Ea and Ai both became pokemon when they came to see the tree of life as palkia and dialga, but their Godly forms are still distinct from their avatars. Regigigas was beaten into the lowly form a power, but still was too powerful and had to be restrained with the cursed ability that is with it in every single game no matter what.
>>58556523>It's just some schizophrenic repeating his favorite fanfiction over and over, while refusing to admit he's wrong.hey, there's at least two of us
>>58556520I already explained it above; if you're too limited to understand, too bad. In any case, regardless of the outcome, it's undeniable that a Pokémon's Pokédex classification plays no role in the storyline.
>>58556520>>58556530Cool! That doesn't answer my question though, all you did was reassert that Aus is powerful enough to rewrite Regigigas' conceptual existence from Giant to Pokemon, but not powerful enough to kill it like the rest of the Giant, for some reason, even though I'm pretty sure conceptually rewriting the very nature of how something exists that cannot naturally reach that state by any known laws of mundane existence is far more powerful a feat than killing it.
>>58556530>Still inventing things that exist nowhere but in his head.
>>58556543Aus doesn't exist; it's a code name for Arceus. All the Legendary Pokémon of Sinnoh have code names in Teraleak.Arceus killed the Normal-type giant, Blank Plate. But its existence bothers him! He arbitrarily decides he can kill 17 giants, but not the 18th because...??? He wants to; it suits his fanfiction.
>>58556523The answer is real simple. Regigigas is explicitly stated to be a "giant above giants" きょだい which is the exact same race that is used to describe the giants on the flame plate プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじ.There are 5 other terms in pokemon for "Giants" that are used for different things. >巨人For the regis, they are "giants" as a race, but in the normal sense as this is just the proper noun for giants>キョダイマックスFor pokemon that are enlarged by what we call dynamax in English, this is giantism in Japanese>ダイマックスLarge an in the a-adjective to describe size, scope, or shape. But no, pokemon in every single game uses きょだい both for the plate that you read and for Regigigas. This is purposeful.
There are no Gods in Pokemon. Well, except for us! (Laughs)
what sort of mental illness makes people foam at the mouth at the possibility that Regigigas could actually have interesting lore?
>>58556579its always wild that in every media outside of the games, Regigigas is always throwing hands with Cosmic entities with ease despite his slow start.
>>58556579What kind of mental illness could this person have to post the same topic over and over for months ?Especially if it's to make people believe that his fanfiction is real, when it's just based on a Pokedex classification that means everything and, above all, nothing. Not to mention all the inconsistencies that are too numerous to count.
>>58556579Gigas can have cool lore, but a retarded edgelord's fanfiction about how it was BETRAYED AND TRAPPED IN THE HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER FOR 1 MILLION YEARS isn't the way to do it.
>>58556611>no uriveting
>>58556611Just accept that きょだい is the same thing as プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじ. there is no getting around the specific use of the word when there are several other less specific ways to just convey its a big pokemon. But no, it is the "Giant above Giants" just the same as the ones spoken about in the plate.You can't reason a reason why they would describe them the same very specific way in the same game unless they wanted you to know they were the same thing, when normal regis have the normal term of giants 巨人 but that is not how it is described.
>>58556619He's completely obsessed with his headcanon, it's becoming very worrying.
>>58556634stop humoring him, he's not ever going to change his mind. he's just going to keep shitting and crying and then will consider it a victory when everyone else gets bored and leaves.
>>58556643But thats without even getting into the etymology doc for all the pokemon names where it AGAIN explicitly states that the etymological reasoning behind the name of Regigigas is that it is and I quote, "きょだい" "Giant Above Giants."
It will take time, but the heathen will learn that Regignosis is the truth, the light, and the way.
>>58556634Just accept that the Pokédex classifications don't tell a story. That lizards, dogs, and cats don't exist in the Pokémon universe despite being used as classifications to express a theme.That even though Groudon and Torterra both have the classification "たいり" they have no connection, no powers, no origins in common, and no history; they are two distinct creatures. Yet, the same thing is explicitly designated for these two Pokémon (I used them as examples, but there are so many possible ones).In other words, you're drawing hasty conclusions that don't make much sense, especially considering the rest of the game and the leaks, because nothing suggests that.
>>58550151Huge power is "Muscleman" though
>>58556690so why is he and the giants on the plate the only ones referred to as きょだい over and over in the games, it never changes, but yet there are 5 different terms for giants, dynamax, gigantamax, and generally large pokemon, but they don't use this to describe Regigigas even though he is the leader of the 巨人, he is not a 巨人, but a きょだい .
>>58556651Because Regigigas is the king of Registeel, Regice, and Regirock. He was created with the intention of making them a master, which is why he is their creator.
What's happening here.
>>58556708Autism, even more than usual.
>>58556693"Chi Kara Mochi" can be read at "Mochi that makes you Strong." 'Muscleman" is just one of the ways to ready that phrase, but the way it is implimented in game, distributing it only to pokemon with bunny ears, it aligns with the Japanese myth of the Rabbit on the moon making powerful mochi.>>58556703If that is the case why is he not 巨人"Giant" but instead きょだい "Giant above Giants." A very specific racial connotation that is only ever used for Regigigas and the giants on the flame plate.there wouldn't be a reason to call him that very specific race if it weren't the case that he was when all of the lesser regis are 巨人"Giants" or Kyojin Densetsu, 巨きょ人じんの伝でん説せつ Kyojin no Densetsu, or 巨きょ人じんの伝でん説せつGenuinely, just learn Japanese and the answer is clear that these are talking about the exact same very specific thing.
>>58556702Because everything you're mentioning has nothing to do with giants as mythological creatures.Those mentioned are just slightly larger versions of already known creatures.The plates refer to primordial titans, which exist beyond the very concept of space-time. A mythological race that isn't like Pokémon and that embodied each type. They are cosmic beings!Regigigas is also a giant as a mythological race. However, it refers to the mythological giants (race) that move continents, which exist in several cultures. But also to the Hebrew giants, and through its design inspiration. It's not for nothing that there are Braille texts for Regis; it refers to them—purely terrestrial beings, not cosmic, but which also fall under the category of giant as a race.And these giants aren't humans or animals already known in XXL format.It seems you're incapable of grasping that mythological giants, as a race, exist in real-world mythologies and cultures, long before Pokémon offered its own interpretation. And that there are various forms of them, not just gigantism.
>>58556746you seem incapable of understanding very basic japanese that a racial typifier noun is used to convey specifically a distinct race, きょだい "Giant above Giants."this racial term is used exclusively for Regigigas and the giants on the flame plate. There is no reason to label Regigigas this way when 巨人 and 巨きょ人じんの伝でん説せつ already describe giants racially as it does for the lesser regis. But Regigigas is specifically きょだい "Giant above Giants."If this was a mistake or misstep in conventions, it would have been changed in later versions of the game but the plates and Regigigas always have the same very specifical racial typifier on them, きょだい "Giant above Giants."If the creators of pokemon wanted to say regigigas was just a big pokemon or evoke a broad concept of a large pokemon or myth, they just would have used 巨人 like the other regis.If you can merely leave English and step into Japanese linguistically you can understand this is a firm and direct thing.
>>58556776The term "きょだい" is acceptable for giants that pull continents. And that is precisely what he is referring to.Dialga is classified as a Time Pokemon because its history and all the texts that describe it mention time; that is its theme.The giants mentioned on the plates are of a different nature. They are cosmic entities and are not Pokemon.But no matter how we try to explain it to you, you'll never listen to reason. You've gone so far as to invent fanfiction, make strange shortcuts, and lie about content, all for the sole purpose of supporting your headcanon.
>>58556776The other Regis don't pull continents with ropes, especially.Furthermore, they aren't the leaders or creators of other, smaller Regis. On that basis alone, the comparison with the other Regis doesn't hold up.
>>58556807>acceptable for giants that pull continentsIts a very specific term that indicates a very specific larger than large RACE of beings. Regigigas is but 1 (singular) but yet it is described the same way racially as the multiple (Plural) Giants on the plate. This isn't a generalization in Japanese, its very specific and doesn't leave room for vague notions as I've said before, there are a multitude of ways to convey just large or giant, or even the giant race as the other regis are described 巨人. But Regigigas is きょだい distinctly and purposefully (as stated in the etymology doc of the Teraleak) The Japanese fandom understand their own language and what the creators, in japanese, convey in the game and come to the same conclusion. That Regigigas and the giants on the plate are very specifically the same thing.
>>58556287Well your translations are wrong.Sorry if my English is bad. It my second language
>>58556861Is it your or you're? I keep mixing them up.
>>58550151weebs/subfags are a bane of all fandoms
>>58556851Are there multiple Regigigas? That would explain why there's one in Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova and Galar.
>>58556866Your.You're correct
>>58555555Sexts of truth. Praise Regignosis. Annihilate Aus.
>>58557119Incorrect>>58557224Hi
>>58557310Pikachu>>58557302Hi>>58557303Hmm>>58557304Kill yourself >>58557305I like Dragonite
>>58557308>>58557306Wanna see your uncle die in a fire?>>58557366My favorite Star Wars movie was Revenge of the Sith because it was the one with the most violence>>58557309>>58557312How do I eat Hokkaido cream puffs? The packet has no instructions. I gave her my big fat cock.
>>58557308>>58557311Stop trying to retrospect post. It ain't gonna work you stupid faggots. As for >>58557312Wanna see your uncle die in a fire?>>58557313My favorite Star Wars movie was Revenge of the Sith because it was the one with the most violence>>58557314How do I eat Hokkaido cream puffs? The packet has no instructions. I gave her my big fat cock.Now kill yourself you loner
>>58557315Yeah it annoyed me a lot>>58557320Wanna see your uncle die in a fire?>>58557321My favorite Star Wars movie was Revenge of the Sith because it was the one with the most violence
>>58557322How do I eat Hokkaido cream puffs? The packet has no instructions. I gave her my big fat cock.>>58557323Wanna see your uncle die in a fire?>>58557324My favorite Star Wars movie was Revenge of the Sith because it was the one wit h the most violence>>58557327 hi>>58557325How do I eat Hokkaido cream puffs? The packet has no instructions. I gave her my big fat cock.
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>>58556851No, you're interpreting it however you want. Regigigas isn't one of the defeated giants, and as I've already explained, Teraleak doesn't support that.The same goes for its etymology; you're arbitrarily deciding that's what it is, just because you want to, when there are other explanations.If that were the creators' true intention, it would be explicitly stated on Teraleak. We would also have plot elements that mention it. There wouldn't have been a Blank Plate.But literally everything contradicts the theory, whether you like it or not.Giants that move continents are among the largest that can exist and require colossal strength. It's definitely Regigigas, stop being disingenuous. It's a land-based Pokémon whose role and story don't go any further than that.So no, they're not the same, because the others are cosmic entities that do something else.And you can turn the subject around or repeat the same nonsense endlessly, but the Pokédex classifications aren't plot elements.
>>58556887Yes, it's not unique. It exists in several regions; the Pokémon doesn't have the ability to move from one region to another as if it were nothing, nor is it summoned or teleported. Palmer also has one, and this isn't an alternate timeline plot point.
>>58557686>Regigigas isn't one of the defeated giantsyes it is>Teraleak doesn't support that.yes it does/thread
>>58557987No.
>>58557997Yes.
>>58550257Regigigas got trapped and betrayed, regressed to level 1 and towed a whole continent shaped like Arceus as a humiliation ritual. It's actually devious.
>dragonfly returnKino
>>58557686 キョダイマックス would have been used to just convey that Regigigas is giant in size or scope if the notion is to convey that he is just really big, an a-adjective in Japanese. It is an explicitly description of size and scope or appearance.巨人 or 巨きょ人じんの伝でん説せつ would be used to convey "Giant" as a race, similar to how the lesser regis are denoted. It is a proper racial typifier noun denoting a being of a race of giants.But these perfectly clear and repeatedly used in the game words are not used for Regigigas. He is solely referred to at きょだい "giant above giants." The same "Giant above Giants told of in the flame plate プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから.The only instances of きょだい "giant above giants" is when describing Regigigas and the giants on the plates.Not Alpha pokemon, dynamax pokemon, gigantamax, Eternatus, or even his follow regis are described this way. The writing is intentional to say that exclusively, only Regigigas and the Flame Plate giants are きょだい "Giants above Giants." You can't escape the explicit and deliberate use of specific words and meaning the way they are utilized and written in Japanese.
Lockstin will never make a video about this. Stop fucking posting this already.
And just like that, all the Regideniers were silenced as they couldn't overcome きょだい and プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから. being exactly specific on the exact same meaning of "Giant above giants" which is why the Japanese community solidifies their belief in the canon that Regigigas is a fallen Giant.
>>58550151So Lickatung has cloud nine because it is completely "Carefree?"
>>58559605You're not keeping quiet about anything; you're always repeating the same thing, always missing the point of every comment directed at you.Especially since "きょだい" doesn't mean "giant above giants." It's just a breed of giant. You keep bringing up Alpha, Eternatamax, Dynamax, etc., even though nobody talks about them.When Blank Plate exists, and neither the games nor Teraleak tell this story, and the theory is based solely on a secondary entry in a Pokédex, you've simply lose
>>58558759"きょだい" is an adjective that simply means very large or enormous and can be applied to objects, buildings, animals (unless they are considered mythological entities). It's more general. This is the term used on the Pokedex for Regigigas. "きょじん" refers to a living being of gigantic size of a mythological nature, such as primordial titans, a creature (and there are several types of them). This is the term used on the plates.
>>58560020So the official translation "Colossal Pokemon" is correct?
>>58559942You don't understand how Japanese works and it frustrates you. But きょだい refers to the very exact and specific race as プレートに あたえた ちから たおした きょじんたちの ちから. Giant race 巨人 is a proper race typifier used to describe the Regis. キョダイマックス is an a-adjective used to describe dynamax pokemon, not a noun typifier of race. ダイマックス is an a-adjective used for large/giant pokemon in terms of referring to scope, size, or shape.But きょだい is a very specific race of "Giants above Giants" The ょ is the linguistic signifier for greater than, and increase, or in terms of rank notion a higher order. This is the root character that acts as an augmentative suffix used to denote "Giants ABOVE giants" in the form that it is written. The specific augmentative suffix added to the race typifier noun is specific and distinct from all other forms to convey a specific concept: "A race of giants above giants."You would only use this this way in Japanese to convey something very specific to denote it from a general, vague, or common premise like just "Giant." It is distinct and specific. And only used for Regigigas and the Flame Plate Titans despite there being so many in game lore phrases for different giants (Kyodai キョダイ, Kyojin 巨人, Daimakusu ダイマックス)You have to acknowledge the written language, its context, its wording, its written form to fully comprehend and get to the concept of both speaking of the very specific きょだい "giant above giants"
>>58560031Yes. The description of Regigigas translates to "Kyodai" and that of the plates to "Kyojin".
>>58560047>Missing the ょAnglified attempts to replicate the language in your mind is not working as you are missing augmentative suffix which itself conveys much more than one character but a layer of meaning and context to what you read in the word.
>>58560035>The difference between Kyojin and Kyodai has been explained.>Professional translators have reached the same conclusion.>Even text searches on the Japanese Dynamax page contradict your interpretation.It's over.
>>58560112>He thinks chrome's Google translate based assessment of characters is fucking Japanese literateThis is beyond a joke. The program denotes きょだい to be キョダイ because the translator can't differentiate between the two words meanings as synonym. You have laughably just tried to use yet another poor translation google tool. Please, I implore you to provide for me a translator that rejects what is attested in about Regigigas and the Flame plate. Any Japanese literate person will tell you they are the same. Go post on 2chan and you'll realize how wrong you are as a westerner.
>>58560142This is not a translation tool. It is a search tool and it does not consider synonyms. But even the translators who worked on the games disagree with you. The difference between Kyojin and Kyodai is pretty clear. You can sulk if you're not happy, it's all the same.The funniest thing is that you're asking me this, when even in the video you sent, the author expresses his version, which contradicts the commonly accepted mythology.
>>58560142>I implore you to believe in my theory!!!Lmao
>>58557704I mean it technically could move between regions, but otherwise yes.>>58557987Where? Explain where in the teraleak it's found, give us the excerpt and the most accurate and least biased translations.
>>58560184You don't even understand how your own browser works the CTRL F search function. It is set to English with the caveat of auto-translating when using characters of a different language to make it align. You search for "large" and you get results for 'Giant" as the system assess the japanese character through google translate's system to find the word you're looking for rather than the exact characters you type.>>58560200Genuinely, bring me but one japanese literate person to say i'm wrong. The problem is you won't because Japanese fans have an understanding of their language and comprehend the context and meaning. This is why on their own wiki they state as much.
>>58559366You never know. If you emailed it or commented it on one of his socials he might see it. He doesn't use 4chan afaik.>>58559605If the Japanese fandom really believes that, then how come I can't find shit anywhere about it?
>>58560227Not really, no, oh and I'm not English.
>>58560232Its anywhere if you go to forums or boards discussing the lore and its in every single one of the japanese wikis.gngmrkas is explicitly a huge Japanese artist who has been drawing a series about Regigigas' fall from grace as an example but if you just talk to Japanese people on their websites you'll see that Regigigas being the giant on the flame plate is a commonplace thing that is obvious to anyone who reads japanese natively.
>>58560227You tend to forget that these are speculations and not reality. You're just using an appeal to authority. Of course not, not everyone agrees with the theory. The Regigigas JapWiki itself mentions the inconsistency with Blank Plate.
I don't know what's going but I remember charizard in the anime not saying it's name only to realize it was saying it's name "Lizardon" I thought that was interesting.
>>58560035You don't understand at all. You're just copying and pasting Google translations. If that's your own translation, then you're pretty bad at it.>The ょ is the linguistic signifier for greater than, and increase, or in terms of rank notion a higher order. This has never been the case in Japan
>>58560142I've posted about this on 2chan. They have no idea what I'm talking about.
>>58560261Dude you can't even see that きょだい and キョダイ distinguish the difference between giants and giants above giants when you take the exact literal meaning of the characters together. The Phonetic Construct of ょas a contracted sound specifically indicates signification of greater than, an increase, larger, or term of higher order. If you don't understand Japanese its not my problem.>>58560265Post thread then.
>>58560261He needs to find excuses to support his theory, you understand? It's not the first thing he's distorted so drastically just to make it falsely seem plausible.
>>58560291"きょじん" =/= "きょだい"The difference has already been explained here.>>58560020You say the tool was looking for synonyms, but even it doesn't do that for those two words because they both express different ideas.
>>58560249Then give me a link to a place where I can post about it and I'll see for myself. 2chan gave me nothing.
>>58560304You're just scrambling because you tried to justify japanese you don't understand as being a confirmation of the word you thought it was when you're using a completely illiterate tool to search. Learn some fucking Japanese Phonics before you start even attempting to retort. Humble yourself and go talk to Japanese people on their own websites and you'll see. >>58560319Post your 2chan thread.
>>58560291I most likely understand Japanese better than you ever will. I've lived in Japan for most of my life. Stop being a baka gaijin larping as a Japanese person.
>>58560327I'm (>>58560319) not the same anon that posted the thread.
>>58560327I'm simply explaining that the two words aren't the same, because they actually have different meanings. Where do you see any anger? It sounds like you don't like being wrong, so you're inventing emotions for the other person. I'm rather amused to see that you're incapable of admitting your mistakes.
Regifag is still as helpless as ever, able to do nothing but post images on a loop, with false and distorted claims lmao
>>58560258Based.
>>58560329I'm not japanese, I humbled myself and learned and post on 2chan to learn. If you just talk to the Japanese you'll see how different things are.>>58560353You're embarrassing yourself trying to use tools and language you don't even understand to justify your argument. You're like a toddler attempting to write without any understanding how and pantomiming the best approximation that you can comprehend, but its clearly not the genuine article.
>2chan: we tought him wrong on purpose because we thought it would be funny
>>58560391If you still don't get it, I didn't use any tool to provide the translations.I also referred to official translators who are far more skilled than you and for whom this is their core business.In fact, if you still don't understand, I used the tool as extra content to make fun of you.
>>58560353Post a thread or something that confirms that Japaniggers agree.>>58560391And yet you speak like a beginner trying to learn Japanese.
>>58560422please provide me your source. I'd love to see someone who is japanese literate that says something to the contrary. And your misunderstanding of how your search function understands foreign characters is blatant. To search for きょだい and get a hit for キョダイ is completely missing the character inputs and is the auto-translate of the search function assessing what it finds to be approximate to what you put, which it pulls from a pool of synonym in Japanese from google translate.
>>58560422And yet your translations remind me a lot of Google translate
>>58560436You misunderstood me; I didn't say I contacted translators. I said the official translation is correct and acceptable.Whether you agree or not, きょじん is not きょだい. They have different meanings and refer to different things. And no, the presence of ょ is not sufficient to say that the two words refer to the same thing.Even the tool, which is stupid and limited, understands this better than you. That's precisely why I used it—for humorous and mocking purposes.
I went to Japan and they all told me Regigigas represents internalized homophobia and that's why it has the ability slow start, it needs five turns to embrace his homosexual desires freeing it from the burden weighing it down.
The Canari stuff are really boring in JP desu
>>58560461>I trust the translators!I've literally given you the context, cultural relevance, grammatic construct, and phonics of the words and the phrase of the plate as it is interpretted in japanese and you don't believe because................you trust the official translation which has been wrong on SO many things from the original japanese. Wild>Even the tool, which is stupid and limited, understands this better than you. That's precisely why I used it—for humorous and mocking purposes.So you were only pretending to be retarded, gotcha. No need to respond to me anymore after you admit it.>>58560464Sounds like you were in Shinjuku Ni-chōme. Why would you go there?
>>58560461>Even the tool, which is stupid and limited, understands this better than you. That's precisely why I used it—for humorous and mocking purposes.sounds like a desperate attempt to save face
>>58560538The official translation wasn't wrong. There is indeed a difference between the two words used.If it were the same thing, the same word would be used. きょじん" =/= "きょだい !And even on other topics, you're extremely dishonest and you distort everything unrealistically.
We're talking about a guy who uses the Japanese Wiki as proof, even though that same Wiki highlights the inconsistency on Regigigas' page with the existence of the Blank Plate lmao
>>58560558You lack of understanding of Japanese will always elude you to not understand that they are the same thing. Like a child you clip きょだい as a word as if it is in a void without realizing it is placed in the sentence how it is written which is why the characters aren't identical to the same term when spoken of independently as a concept rather than a part of the sentence. This isn't English, the way a word conform to the sentence rather than the words align to make a sentence. The usage of きょじん is properly used in a sentence while きょだい the spoken concept by itself not conforming to the idea what the sentence is saying in Japanese.You're out of your depth, you don't understand how the Japanese language is formed and works to comprehend this.
I thought this was gonna be a thread about all the mistranslations in Pokemon but instead it's about an autist who doesn't know that kyodai and kyojin aren't the same word, jesus fucking christ this board
>>58560538Actually I went to Asakusa, Akihabara and Shibuya
>>58560571He probably used Google Translate to translate it for him.Btw does anyone have a link to the wimi? I'd like to check it out for myself
>>58560599You should've known this was a Regignosis schizo from the OP image alone, Gigas is a tainted Pokemon on /vp/ ever since the Teraleak was completely misinterpreted simply because the concept of "WE CAN FINALLY EXPLAIN WHY THIS FUCKER HAS SLOW START!?" was too enticing to pass up on, and everyone went too deep on "it's Japanese media, so God is... le bad." beliefs, so here we are.
>>58560594These are two different words with different meanings. There's no point in pretending just to give yourself false credibility.You're talking about meaning in a sentence, but there isn't even a sentence for Regigigas. It's a damn Pokédex classification that just gives a vague word.
>>58560594きょじん = a race of larger beings (like giants)きょだい = adjective describing a massive sizeWhy won't you understand this?
>>58560612This Pokémon has been sleeping for millions of years; it's not in top form and needs some time to get back to its best and find its motivation. It was also sealed away by the humans it was meant to protect, as they feared its powers. Some Regis, like Regieleki, were weakened as a result. Varoom has a Calm Start, and when sent into battle, the following dialogue box appears:>「レジギガス は 調子が あがらない!」Goodness, it's obvious why it has this ability. It has nothing to do with some curse fanfiction.
>>58560627He's never going to give up on his beliefs, even if GameFreak came out RIGHT NOW and clarified "No, Regigigas has no associations with the Defeated Giants from the Creation Mythos detailed in the plates. It's purely coincidental."His fanfiction is simply too appealing to him, and nothing will surpass it unless you make it even edgier, even stupider, and even more glorifying to Regigigas as an underdog who can still become the true hero to finally kill that bastard Arceus, eradicate the multiverse, and then kill itself in order to end existence as a whole, allowing it to at long last know peace in oblivion after having been tortured for an unfathomable amount of time under Le Jungian Fear of Existing that objectively paints Arceus as the bad guy because it values its own selfish desire over the collective desires of at least 17-18 other beings.
>>58550151Nice.
>>58550151>>58550176>>58550203>>58554742>>58555546>>58555629>>58555754>>58555859>>58556052Reminder that avatarfaggotry is a bannable offense. Get a tripcode or fuck off.
>>58560571Where in the wiki does it say anything like that. It denotes 「そのもの」=アルセウスが世界を作ったことがほのめかされている。その他にも、かつてはレジギガスの他にも各タイプの巨人型のポケモンが存在していたが、アルセウスに倒されてプレートにされたかのように思われる一文が存在する。Explicitly calling Regigigas as a Giant from the flame plate.>>58560601I could see someone saying that in Akihabara. >>58560606here is the wiki:https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%83%AC%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AE%E3%82%AC%E3%82%B9https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88>>58560612Japanese fanbase has been Regignosis posting for 19 years >>58560627You're illiterate. きょじん is the context of it being used in a sentence on the flame plate. きょだい is it being state openly as its own concept.>>58560637I've explained before that the The Phonetic Construct of ょas a contracted sound specifically indicates signification of greater than, an increase, larger, or term of higher order. The two words are characterizing the same specific thing. You're not understanding Japanese at all, you're just trying to make it fit the mold of what you understand in English.
Cloud nine does mean carefree, and helps associate the ability's effect with weather. It is in fact as perfect a translation as you could ask for. (The others, not so much)
>>58560654He's like the average LGBT shipper of literally any franchise Creators say "These characters are straight"Shippers: I'm Gonna ignore that.
>>58560660Posting Regis in a regithread is not a crime. Jesus you people aren't even trying to engage with my proofs, you're just trying to get the mods to carry me away because you can't refute what I say because you lack basic understanding of Japanese.
>>58560664>「プレート」はかつて存在したノーマルタイプ以外の巨人をアルセウスが封印したものだとされている。ただしレジェンズアルセウスにおいて、ノーマルタイプのプレートにあたるまっさらプレートを自身が所有していたこと(=自分自身は無事でありながら、自分自身と同じタイプのプレートが存在している)から、本当の事なのか疑わしい面も存在する。No no anon, the Wiki clearly explains that it questions the veracity of the theory because of the existence of the Blank Plate.
>>58560698Inb4"You lack an understanding of Japanese"
>>58560773This is Regifaggot's pretext for refusing to acknowledge that it's a theory and that it has many flaws. It's easier for them to be selective about the information they choose and to distort other information.
>>58560698Its says that he is the giants spoken of on the plates but that it is disputed by the community over the blank plate. This doesn't disprove it but confirms that it is a solid point of contention held by the japanese fanbase that is actively discussed. The key isn't "Is regignosis canon." Just that Regignosis is valid from an understanding of the game in Japanese. Context lost in English translation by NoA.
>>58550151You forgot Double Slap is "back and forth slaps"
>>58555555Based get. As much as I agree with Aus and canon hmofa I have to kneel this time. Good shit Regichads.
Some autismo actually fucking learned japanese just to make a weeb thread.Maybe /vp/ is healing. Maybe we won't end up like /co/
>>58562214Or you know, used Google Translate
>>58555049>The Japanese thought, "Oh, that's cool," and it became popular there.So the Japanese equivalent would be if they read our fanfiction about Ash being dead the whole time and took it as canon
>>58562388You are totally right
>>58560796You're misrepresenting things a bit. And of course, Regigigas isn't canon, even in the Japanese games.>It's never mentioned in the game narratives or the Teraleak.>The giants described on the plates aren't Pokémon; they're cosmic entities. Regigigas is a Pokémon that comes from Earth and moves continents.>The giants were killed, and Arceus transformed them into plates. Blank Plate exists, meaning the Normal-type giant is dead.The theory rests solely on a Pokédex classification, an element that plays no role in the story. Several Pokémon literally have the same classification, without any connection or shared power, yet they are distinct entities. We even have animal names, even though animals don't exist in the Pokémon universe.Furthermore, "きょだい" from the Pokédex description does not have the same meaning as "きょじん".It's clearly an exaggeration to say they are the same thing.
>>58563696If these expressions mean something similar: it's not valid because it has been shown that classifications have no impact on the scenario. Similar or identical things presented in this way are not necessarily related and are not the same thing.If they are not similar: they are not.
