Lazing Around Edition>Livestream link (Fridays @ 9:55 AM UTC):https://mov3.co/tvtokyo>Latest episode:https://nyaa.si/view/2042868Next episode:>November 21st: PM2023 118 - Liko and Tebrim's Bond of Happiness!https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pocketmonster2023/episodes/Future episodes:>November 28th: PM2023 119 - Hang In There, Achigator, For the Sake of Tomorrow>Upcoming episodes previews:https://x.com/anipoke_PR/status/1968987181072126252https://x.com/anipoke_PR/status/1981669498198577380>Previous episodes:https://pastebin.com/N5fves0y>OS-JN filler guide:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nr3LMRBx-tJZtSwAbc4s4YTEgg6MVFnc>Web series, specials, and audio dramas subs and links:https://pastebin.com/gkJSXkbL>Movies:https://pastebin.com/nHcuH7yN>Music, manga, and more:https://pastebin.com/gXfZtrrJPrevious: >>58617992
Next episode of the Likonime features Liko and Anne having a trade of blows between their Pokemon, Hattrem getting unexpected screentime despite the recent Charcadet spotlight and Anne seemingly redpilling Liko about how to go over Hattrem's involvement. With enough time having passed:>What's the verdict on the current OP and ED?>Will Hattrem evolve or obtain another new move, if not upgrade to a stronger version of her current moveset?>How many more attacks will Samurott parry to teach the casual Charcadet a lesson?
>>58626195>This is what Drayton recommendedTen out of ten training right there.
>>58626195This is a joke, right?
>>58626195Croc gets screentime. I am shocked.
https://x.com/MIKAN__BAKO_/status/1989659420901740758
>>58626196OP > ED for me, new moves for Hattrem and so long until Charcadet throws out new moves that can't even be partially parried.
>>58626196>How many more attacks will Samurott parry to teach the casual Charcadet a lesson?Nice reference but the answer is properly indefinitely until they get a whole or half a Episode to themselves.
>>58626196>Will Hattrem evolve or obtain another new move, if not upgrade to a stronger version of her current moveset?I'll bank on a new move first. Evo seems a bit off to me atm.
licute
https://x.com/gures_l/status/1989633445526736901/photo/1Maria's pride and joy.
>>58626201Nope, Drayton suggested this.
>>58626222LiCute is a evil being to the LiNation. CuteSpinel before his eradication made his point very clear.
>>58626208Have Dot's Tinkaton ever met Amethio's Corviknight yet?
>>58626196>What's the verdict on the current OP and ED?Love the ED. Inherently don't like EVE.>Will Hattrem evolve or obtain another new move, if not upgrade to a stronger version of her current moveset?Yes>>58626203Croc will not tolerate such shameless takeovers like Dojocario has done.
>>58626208Cute.
>>58626234Not yet.
>>58626234Steelbirb would be fucking ded.
Give Pagogo a good reason why the Pokemon world shouldn't submit to its every whim?
>>58626224Maria....
>>58626196>How many more attacks will Samurott parry to teach the casual Charcadet a lesson?Around four more times before the little squire learns how to mix up its approach.
>>58626249Tip it over until Terapagos is on its back. Good luck taking over the world while seeing everything upside-down.
>>58626234No, and it probably never will. Problem with Liko anime is that the pokemon interactions are rather dull.
>Liko assists Briar better than Carmine doesShould she be something like Carmine? Or strife after her dad or her mother?
>>58626203Croc rocks. The croc cult takes the offering to pound Cario down a notch or two.
>>58626277>TeacherKo>ArtistKo or BookKo>AssistantKoSo many possibilities...
>>58626210Like Lava Plume?
>>58626277Liko designing story books like her Dad would be a start.
>>58626263Don't be mean to Pagogo, it's basically a baby Pokemon
>Plays with unknown substances out of curiousity>Has a shield that can protect itselfHow did this species survived for so long before a SINGLE seismic shift seemingly almost wiped out all of them? Either the Lore in the game is spotty or they were asking for it.
>After this>*Goes to ad break card*Huh, one of the more subtle commercial breaks.
Would it kill Carmine to remember Liko's name?
>>58626312Gamefreak's response would be something like:>Don't worry about it
Should Picrel alongside the other three bits she did for Briar be included in the Housewife compilation or is one image of this scene enough?
>>58626348The cookie part should be more than enough.
>>58626326>Would it kill Carmine to remember Liko's name?Is the sky blue?
>>58626326Yes
>>58626249Send a Briar after it.
>>58626222...Will fall for CuteSpinel's wits.
>>58626195>Hang In There, Achigator, For the Sake of TomorrowSkeledirgelords,HE WILL COME
>>58626196Anne will give Liko nightmares.
>>58626407Good.
>>58626326Absolutely. They're not Kitakamichads.
>>58626277Teacher Liko would be based.
The hat pleads for a fair trial for the ditto before they execute it.
>>58626651Ditto needs to fend for itself. With a reign like Pagogo plaguing Liko and co, it's hell.
From Pokedoko>What do Liko and Hattrem do together next episode? Wash Pokemon or make sandwiches?
>>58626801>They embrace the Housewife memesOH GOD
>>58626801>>58626861>This is real
>>58626801Feels oddly backloaded.
They said that Liko will understand Hattrem's true feelings in the next episode and that there will be some sort of "change" or "transformation" (they used the word "henka").
>>58626891So the evolution is a safe bet?
>>58626891>Hikaru: In the next episode of the Pokemon anime, Liko calls out to Hattrem as it is healing Charcadet after it got injured in a battle.>Matsumaru: When Liko noticed Hattrem's true feelings, a change came over Hattrem...
>>58626281Croc cult?
>>58626891>>58627038Kinda nuts that the evolutions might stack up back-to-back so soon.
>>58627038>"テブリムに変化が">If you're asking if they're implying an evolution, I don't think so. Sounds more like a change in attitude.
>>58627043Well, their goal is to get stronger, so-
Why haven’t Crocalor or Quaxwell evolved yet? Are they too lazy to animate their evolutions?
>>58627090They're both too complicated visually. GF did an oopsie.
>>58627089good.
>>58626866It happens sometimes
AssistKo
>>58626556Kitakami has Onion-boy, so Carmine might be overshooting a bit.
>>58626208>Pagogo playing aroundIt's a ruse
>>58627125Carmine needs to be careful or all that time she spent trying to be groomed will have been for naught.
>>58627434She would never
>>58626234It will be unfiltered chaos
>>58626891About time
>>58626196>Will Hattrem evolve or obtain another new move, if not upgrade to a stronger version of her current moveset?New noves
>>58626277The teaching aspect could take after Friede.
>>58626891Amazing
>>58626199>>58626201Considering that he's been taking it a bit far lately, I would assume that that's what caused this.
More gibberish text.I swear one of these days, it's gonna closely resemble a certain word and it will cause a wedge to be driven.
>>58626277She feels more like a background character than the main character of pokemon anime .
:)
>>58627434She's too insecure.
>>58627245Terapagos is a toddler of the stone age in the modern area. It's genuine.
Croc will evolve, and it will kick Rhydon's ass once more.
Brat
>>58627434Carmine will game-end Liko.
>>58626239
Corphish and Swellow really hard carried Ash's team in Hoennn
>>58627125So many 'Kos.
>>58626199>Ten out of ten training right there.Drayton could've lied and Roy would've bought it.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/167822643475>Look up Pokemon animation cels cause want one next to my Digimon cel>Find this^Imagine being the retard who falls for this scam^You literally must have stopped following the anime to buy this.
>>58629019You can't stop illiterate morons. They exist.
>>58626195Nice to see Roy acting like Roy again rather than Friede Jr.
>>58626361>>58626362Ok, I get the message.
https://x.com/Ni12345670/status/1989938152929464723/photo/1
>>58626651Ditto will feel the wrath.
>>58627065Tsuntsun Hattrem?Untameable Hattarene?
>Duck either evolves or doesn'tTough choices
>>58629137There's already merch that leaked its upcoming evolution. Don't have the pic, but it was posted somewhere.
>>58629147I am not doubting it, saw the merch myself. But it's a matter of the Pokemon itself. Not a fan of Quaxwell's next evolution like at all. Hence the question.
>>58629136I'm not sure. They could do anything. If Hattrem has been restraining herself, maybe she quickly develops a thirst for blood after letting herself battle more actively.
>>58626195otherwise known as assuming the mating press position
>>58629255That could mix well with Meowscarada's nature. Basically a fully blown waifumon war amidst a party.
>>58628983Some say 'kosm
>>58629052Probably the intention.He lost his playful attitude after Friede's death and drayden is there to remind him to relax and have fun again.
>>58629305
>Hattrem gets screentime in a whole episode>Gimmighoul gets spread out through the chaptersDickbirdbros, it's gonna happen.
threadly reminder that the timeskip ruined everything and the show has been in freefall ever since
>>58628774Bro, her teeths have to be completely fucked.
>>58628972Swellow is probably the most goated obligatory birdmon from any series, right? None of them are that great, but Swellow was used so much that it kind of wins on sheer quantity.Dickbird could have taken the mantle if they bothered to use it, and Sirfetch'd doesn't count as a birdmon, I don't make the rules.
>>58628590What word?
>>58629633
>>58626714>With a reign like Pagogo plaguing Liko and co, it's hell.What reign? That little shit falls asleep after one round of tag anyway.
>>58626196>OP good, ED bad>Evo or tantrum mode>Around 22 moves
>>58629647Good point.
https://x.com/skald516/status/1990091731988058438
>>58629562I don't know where Alex is, I swear... let my family go, Liko... I beg you
>>58629848
How does Horizons do with kids? I think I've seen on Netflix its one of the most watched anime.
>Liko after figuring out the only way she can kill the result of the love between the man she's into and his wife
>>58629949Oh god.
>>58629982Throwing a plushie over the edge isn't the answer.
>>58629949It gets more bizarre.
>>58629949The Orphan of Licute...
>>58629949I can't believe Liko is gonna give birth to herself to have another chance with Alex (will fail again)
> Comic Relief Yakuza > Spoiled narcissist princess and her dragon maid.> Shy Streamer with a foul mouth and her grandpa who does the streaming. > A Musclehead too strong to hold a phone and his goth sister that is tired of him and obsessed with the streamer. > Team MZ with an orphan child looking for their grandparents, an aspiring dancer with most sensibility and a stoic fashion designer who is obsessed with the streamer. Pokemon Legends Z-A has the best cast for an Anime series, just put 15 year old Ash with his Original/DP personality and we might have one of the best pokemon anime.
>just put 15 year old A-
>>58628983Liko is a chick of many forms.
>>58629630Cute.
>>58626196Q1.Solid Q2.Evolve, and obtain a new move. Let that moonblast.Q3.The Vergil amount.
>>58629647>What reign? That little shit falls asleep after one round of tag anyway.Thats bullshit. It can assault grown ass Pokemon
Duck has to endure this...
>>58630096>Dot allowed thisShe is so fucking shit and stinky I fucking hate her
>>58630099Calm down, Carmine.
Alright episode. Dot continues to deliver good moments and Uruto is the mvp in the gremlin contest.
>>58629932It's still pretty popular, but quite a bit less popular than Journeys.2023: 87,800,0002024: 70,600,0002025 (Jan-Jun): 35,400,000Source: https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/anime/demon-slayer-dominates-most-watched-anime-on-netflix-but-naruto-biggest-franchise/These numbers probably include views for old seasons like Indigo League, but there is still a pretty steep drop from 2023 (MPM released in September) to 2024 (Horizons released in March).Not that this is definitive evidence or anything, but I went to a friend's house a few months ago and his little sister, who is under ten (big age gap), was watching Journeys and not Horizons which I found interesting since Horizons is supposed to appeal to little girls.
>>58630076Yes 15 year old Ash looking like this but maintain his original personality like a 90s protagonist but become even stronger battler. Turn the whole series into a battle-gag series like to keep both Shonen and SOL fans happy.
>Yes 15 year old A-
>>58630157Can you ignore the Homeless lolcow?
>>58630157Cope, remember that people only got excited over Liko when they thought her to be Ash's daughter.
>>58629645Yes, that word.
>>58629515If it happens I'll record myself breaking a switch.
>>58628982>People called me a faggot for bringing up the JRPG motif back around a year or two ago.>Now it's second synonymous to her partyWHO'S LAUGHING NOW!?!?
Amethio is gonna take after Mighty G if he doesn't stop running into old people.
>Cop-
I wonder if the writers will still keep that extra element "+α", which Diana and Gibeon supposedly possess.
>>58630297You can fuck off if all you're gonna do is poke the schizoid.
>>58630306Well what is +α? A code word for the next gimmick or a place holder gimmick?
>>58630306Doubt it.
>>58629136>Untameable Hattarene?So basically Picrel? But in a more needy and less affectionate manner? Could work in a mini arc manner.
>>58626312>How did this species survived for so long before a SINGLE seismic shift seemingly almost wiped out all of them?Have my own questions about it. SV's depiction on them is quite spotty.
>>58630332>what is +α?I have no idea if it could be referring to a gimmick, some important item, or if it's something that was already shown in the anime; +α means something like "additional element," "something extra," etc.
>>58630399I would think that the variable +α is probably in regards to something that hasn't been touched upon yet or is to be cleared in talks with Gamefreak maybe. Like +α could +*new Pokemon form* or something among those lines.
> Friede betray everybody. > Roy becomes a shut-in > RVT loses motivation. > Liko is chased by Explorer for +α. > She runs into Ash and Pikachu who protects her and make her take him to Brave Asagi. > RVT has problem with him being similar & different than Friede at the same time.
>>58630428Nta but that could be it. Or its probably the variable for Flagship Pokemon or Pokemon with a focus.
>>58628662I take that statement as her showing up again.
>>58626714I want Tinkaton to wreck the steelbirds of Amethio's squad.
>>58630332>Well what is +α?+α means Primal Kyogre!!
>>58630399>>58630332>>58630525α is used in literature for alpha parts, as in the very first draft. Beta stage has placeholders with β. Like most of the first drafts, this has either already changed (Like Friede going from doing the funny thing to yeeting himself off the blimp down to the ground) or been completely scrapped.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQnT7vRek7A> Had the potential to be the best anime girl ether as lead girl or rival. > OLM : You know, we will only give her one episode for fanservice so we have more time for Koharu and her journey to find her dream.And people wonder why JN series flopped! The game gave the writer everything but they screw it all up to shove bunch of new OC that nobody cared about at all. Something that they still kept doing.
>>58630554I see. In that case, Gibeon's +α might have been the Zygarde, which makes sense considering the overlap in reveal and appearances correlate to the reveal trailer of ZA and other marketing instances. Diana's probably got canned.
>>58626317Lacey is more meta than Drayton.
>>58630347I would be down for that to be the case. Gives Hattarene to chew through as a bonus.
>>58629315119 reinforcing the fact to the point where Roy changes his mind about immediately leaving would be a nice way to drive it home.
>>58630133I think young kids would probably lean more towards Journeys since even if you aren't initiated on all the series history, it still brings more laughs, more Pikachu, and more approachable, episodic adventures for any viewer. If someone doesn't care about Lucius, Rakua, or finding Friede, it's pretty much GGs for Horizons which isn't really providing a lot of week to week entertainment outside of its interconnected adventure premise.If anything, I'm just hoping they take the right lessons from Horizons viewership failings rather than pandering to nostalgia. New cast, new Pikachu, less cliffhangers and mysteries and more goofs and adventures.
>>58626195cute roy laying down reminded me of cute ash and goh laying down
>>58628590>it's gonna closely resemble a certain word and it will cause a wedge to be driven.Lucius would've promoted the usage to teach the value of not fearing the word but hating the person who misuses them.
So aside from Froslass and Golurk, what were the other recommendations for Liko? Been a while since I last checked on that front.
>>58630615>lean more towards JourneysEw. The only enjoyable thing about Journeys was Ash's battles. Next series just needs to prioritize battles more, not turn into a boring fillerfest that was Ash and Goh's lame ass "adventures".
>>58630291Mighty G is funny so that's a netplus.
>>58630332>Well what is +α?You remember those worksheets in skewl? The ones where you had to fill in the blanks as answers? Basically that but for work and for something unique.
>>58629137>Tough choicesI take the unevolved Duck, Quaviqual or somethin like that is one of the unappealing Pokemon from a sheer conceptual perspective.>Flamboyant Dancing which would've been fine ruined by cranky ass movements even amplified in the games
>>58629137>Preferring the final stage duck
>>58627038>When Liko noticed Hattrem's true feelings, a change came over HattremThat could be taken as either Hattrem getting a shift in its attitude which might change up the movement and attack style or it's the evolution.
>>58630680
>>58630680Evo seems a bit too much with Croc potentially getting one.
Fug
>>58629052Called it.
>>58626208I will assume that Liko might add a flying type to her party. Probably for utility uses.
>>58630567>In that case, Gibeon's +α might have been the Zygarde,I don't think so. In that same draft (which is one of the Rakua settings), Zygarde was mentioned as one of the protectors of Rakua along with Rayquaza, and also one of the 9 Heroes. +α is probably something that's already been discarded, or perhaps it hasn't been introduced into the anime yet.
>>58630692Fuck that ugly turtle
>>58630238Weird thought for fans to have. Even if he did get married, wanting a hero character to have a kid who he'd barely see would be a dick move.
>>58630713This is another proposal for the origin of Rakua, but I take this opportunity to mention that Groudon would be dead in HZ (?).
Goh didn't grow up to be a professor. Mew killed him and his spirit became a Rotom.
>>58630735Ignore the F ag, not worth it.
>>58630615You seriously want another borefest like Pokemon Horizon? Sorry I do not want another one when it one so unbearable. Since Ash was like Ranma during original series so new series could be --> Ash lives with another professor and his family to help him with his research. > The professor's daughter dislike rush upbeat people like Ash so she and he often argues like Ranma & Akane. > Ash is forced to attend school with the Professor's daughter. > Meets a narcissist rich boy who lives in his own delusion and thinks Professor's Daughter loves him and Ash is trying her from him. > Another boy showed up looking for Ash due to he somehow screwed him up accidentally. > Another girl shows up and reveal that Ash accidentally became her fiancé during a sudden ceromony in her Island when he was dealing with another one of Team Rocket's attack.> The main legendary pokemon of Wind/Wave entrust Ash with the seed pokemon that he needs to raise to reach the main legendary pokemon's island> A new evil organization is targeting Ash for that thing. > Professor's daughter claim that she dislike Ash but can't seem to leave him alone and feels a sudden rage when other girls gets close to him. Bang, another SOL series but with actual villain plot and battles.
>>58630713NTA but it could the Rakua having a different purpose than in the final version. With how it's ultimately the thing that brought them all together, it was probably tossed around in the early works without the name being given yet.
All I want is the next protag to have a little more spice to them. Liko's nice and all, but these recent episodes, she's just been standing there or talking about the turtle.
>>58630713>>58630751I would take anything writting on them like the +α with a grain of salt. Too many deviations have occured to be conclusively taken as:>Well this has been mentioned in early stages so it might be happening soonPeople ran with the Friede draft to the hills and then were completely baffled when it didn't happened.
>>58630696You might be right on that.
Has Friede done his obligation to stick his boneration in Orio's separation? For this sort of penetration will increase the population of the younger generation.
>>58630713I take the discarded option.
>>58630641I felt exactly opposite from you. Ash's battles were really poorly written, his team underutilized, his opponents had no rivalry with him, and Lucario was given way too many BS wins, like Machamp and Duraludon. It was just awful. The only enjoyable part of Journeys was the goofs, like the Slowpoke episode, the TR radio show, the eating contest, and the Gulpin episode. JN had a better handle on its comedy than most other series, which made it perfect for viewers like me who don't really care about Ash's epic wins or whatever.
>>58630751>Groudon would be dead in HZThe curious thing is that this wouldn't be the first time Groudon has been dead in a product; Groudon was dead in one of the movies.
He's gonna do some DS-myth nonsense in his second appearance, I can feel it.
>>58630639>what were the other recommendations for Liko?HypnoMalamar TyphlosionThat normal type from gen 3 with truant as the ability.
>>58630399Like the other anon said, it's a notation for being the first concept. Or in programming, it's the variable name where the value can be changed but the name wouldn't change.
Liko and a mudscale. Traversing the lands on your Pokemon is dopamine gold.
>>58630803That and >Go wants to catch mew>just gets to fondle its ass for a few seconds>what will my eevee evolve into?>NOTHING 8D
>>58630832Why Mudscale?
>>58630840I don't care about that. Not a single anipoke series has ever ended without falling over and shitting itself, Horizons will obviously be no different given how it's operating at 15% of the efficiency it started with. If you're watching this baby show hoping for an epic payoff you're a fucking moron. The only measure of a Pokemon series is whether or not you find what's happening week-to-week entertaining or not. For some, not me, HZ is good enough, and that's great. For others, XY or JN was the best. But none of them, NONE of them have a fulfilling narrative or even a slightly satisfying conclusion, it's always shit from an ass and arguing over which shit tastes the worst is not how I wanna waste my time.
>>58630845>Why Mudscale?Ground type (Which Liko doesn't have)Good tank optionRidemonUnderrated Pokemon
>>58630845NTA but it's a good pick which deserves more attention.
>>58630845Well it's one that has a fair mount of capabilities, not to mention something to mirror Roy's flying around with Dickbird.How about YOU come up with an capture idea then if it's not gonna be Midscale?
Horizons has so many drafts and none of them mention rakurium, what a disappointment
>>58630845Liko seems like a character who will make good use from it.
STOPLIKO ISN'T WHITE
>>58630888i can't think of anything less interesting than rakurium as far as narrative maguffins go. next series please don't do anything like this ever again
>>58630888In the original drafts it was an island overflowing with life energy. I guess they just turned that into Rakurium.
>>58630883>How about YOU come up with an capture idea then if it's not gonna be Mudscale?Toedscool. No overlaps, Paldean Pokemon to boot.
>>58630669>>58630670So no final stage for Dot?
>>5863079210/10 reference, but no.
>>58630929Personally, I don't hate Rakurium, but I think they really should have explained how Rakurium connects to Terapagos because they've made it very clear that Terapagos has this inherent dislike for the substance and that it stands in opposition to Rakurium. The moment Terapagos laid its eyes on the crystals back in Rakua, it got angry because it recognized it as a threat.We also know it came from space in form of a meteor I guess, so does this imply Terapagos originally also came from space? Why is Terapagos capable of absorbing and nullifying Rakurium?I think if they just tried a little harder to explain Rakurium, I'd be way more interested in it.
>>58630888First, we had the idea that the Pokémon that "controls life" transformed Rakua into a place overflowing with life energy. Then, it was that Terapagos terraformed the land that would become Rakua. Another idea was that Rakua was an island in another dimension. Then we had hot springs overflowing with life energy. Finally, it was fossils of Pokémon that died in Rakua that filled it with life energy. Any of those proposals would have been a better option than Rakurium. (?)
>>58630991From my understanding, the original idea was that Rakua was an island of sort (I'm not sure whether it was connected to anything else) overflowing with life energy and that it was guarded by Zygarde and Rayquaza. When the original Explorers arrived there, Gibeon attempted to control Zygarde, which didn't go well because Zygarde started rampaging, causing destruction everywhere. Then Terapagos synchronized its powers with 18 different Pokemon, creating a barrier to protect the island as it sunk underwater.Rakua was originally supposed to be underwater ruins, but they changed it to some mountain peak or whatever, which is way more boring imo.
>>58631019In fact, The original idea in the first draft was that the Pokémon that controls life (Xerneas?) was the one who filled Rakua with life energy. Rakua was an island that could only be accessed once every few years and only with the help of six heroes. Gibeon never managed to reach Rakua because the heroes didn't trust him, and therefore Gibeon remained resentful towards Lucius. https://pastebin.com/dxYPfwmC
>>58631080Oh yeah, there was that too. Weren't there also documents with staff executives (or whatever) discussing how the original Rakua depiction overlapped with their plans for Gaia (codename for gen 10), so they wanted to change it?
>>58631095
I vote for no adults in the next series. The fun of Pokemon when I was young was imagining setting off on your own and travelling the world with your pokebuddy.
>>58631214
>>58631220>>58631220
>>58631232
Sun and Moon anime worth watching?
>>58631219Honestly I can't say I don't agree.I liked the terra training arc and the start of mega voltage the best when it was just the kids traveling from place to place on foot.Not a fan of the airship either.Though that being said I did like the idea of them traveling with adults at first so they get shown the ropes before going off on their own.
>>58631256These behind-the-scenes discussions are so interesting. I would love to see stuff like this from other anipoke series too, I'd love to know what was going through their head when they were planning certain things.
