Come here for talk about all things Pokémon Mystery Dungeon.Previous thread: https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58667853/ >>58667853Romhacks Overview/Reviews: https://rentry.org/pmdglphPMD Fan Fiction Archive: https://rentry.org/pmdg-ffarchivePMD Guides: https://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5uExplorers of Sky Romhacking Guide: https://rentry.org/skytempleguideEverything about the Clover Guild: https://cloverguild.com/Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/PHkyqZKaJgMobile Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/Nnv4iqhJAjDrawing Request: https://rentry.org/DrawReqPublicQuestions:>What's a risky move you always use anyway? (hard mode: no Metronome)>What's that one annoying low accuracy move that enemies ALWAYS seem to hit you with?>Do you always bring a full team on missions?>How much do you care about consistent worldbuilding in official and fan works?Recap of the previous thread:>The "Boo! Haunted Guild!" writing event (Rules: https://rentry.org/BHG_Rules) (Intro: https://rentry.org/BHG_Intro) has reached its deadline as of 11-30. If you're still working on a story, you can continue writing and publish it whenever you're done.>Vaporeanon published "The Deluge": https://rentry.org/CG-TD/>Growlithe-anon and Tropius-anon published "Skylight", their entry for the BHG collab: https://rentry.org/BHG_Skylight>Adrian-anon updated Team Moonshine's homepage: https://rentry.org/UmbreonAnon>Ribombee-anon finished replaying/reviewing Super Mystery Dungeon>Ribombee-anon published "Dark Energy": https://rentry.org/RibombeeDark>Discussion about various topics including Zero Isle, writing disabled characters, meta topics such as the amount of participation in the group and barriers to entry, and how Clover Guild is funded in-universe
First for Beast and Spinda getting married!
>>58706146>>What's a risky move you always use anyway? (hard mode: no Metronome)hidden power. sometimes it's ok>>What's that one annoying low accuracy move that enemies ALWAYS seem to hit you with?perish song. i feel this one is semi-cheating but it's the only one i remember distinctly>>Do you always bring a full team on missions?no>>How much do you care about consistent worldbuilding in official and fan works?try to maintain some semblance of cohesion. id on't know what that looks like in specific but i know what it's not because i'll be cringing away from it hard if i see it
A sneak peek of things to come.>>58706146>>What's a risky move you always use anyway? (hard mode: no Metronome)Most of what I use is pretty safe and accurate. Mud Shot misses like 40% of the time but it's often the only ground move you have around for a long time.>>What's that one annoying low accuracy move that enemies ALWAYS seem to hit you with?Any kind of multihit, but Rollout's especially unlucky to get hit by multiple times.>>Do you always bring a full team on missions?No reason not to>>How much do you care about consistent worldbuilding in official and fan works?It's good to have, not a fan of how super had a bunch of references that made zero canonical sense to have.
>>58706361fpbp
>>58706361they already bicker like a married couple
>>58706361I was under the impression they already were.Or possibly>Spinda took the restaurant chain in the divorce
>>58706681Agree on SMD, it felt pretty limp.
>>58706361Cider WILL be calling Beast DAD
>>58707394That reminds me, what is the general opinion on the Looplets and Emeras system? I don't recall seeing people talk about them often.
>>58707947It felt undercooked. Like, they realized there was very little thought/strategy required to play PMD so they added a more randomized, less permanent element to spice things up, but realistically almost all the emeras all just let you keep playing the same way. It feels like they impact my enjoyment very little.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMjGiCqUmUE
>Booker, shortly before introducing Sneasel to the wonders of Jazz.
alright /pmdg/. sword and sorcery fantasy adventure. friday night. be there or be square.
>>58708134neat
>>58708134The details here are insane; everything from the glint of the sword hilt in the title to the clover-shaped purity seal on Tropius. So glad to have such an impressive artist as part of the Clover Guild, Glaceon-anon!
>>58707947I am fucking sick of RNG bullshit that determines whether or not I can clear a run.>But it's a staple of roguelikes!Roguelikes fucking sucks. PMD is one of the few I tolerate and it's barely a roguelike outside of level reset dungeons. Fucking hate Super too
>>58706681I've been making another attempt at hacking too. Just made a cutscene as practice for now. I hope your hack goes well.>>58706146>What's a risky move you always use anyway? (hard mode: no Metronome)I try to avoid using risky moves.>What's that one annoying low accuracy move that enemies ALWAYS seem to hit you with?All of them.>Do you always bring a full team on missions?Always. More teammates means there's more risk of them doing something dumb because PMD's AI isn't the best, but having multiple Pokemon to back you up in combat is really helpful.>How much do you care about consistent worldbuilding in official and fan works?A lot. Creating a cohesive world and maintaining suspension of disbelief is very important.>>58707947Having just replayed Super, I thought the looplet/emera system was a nice evolution of held items. It keeps the same basic concept but adds an element of randomness to make dungeon runs more interesting. The option to use extra or unwanted emeras to boost your stats was a good idea too.>>58708131I doubt she'd be a fan of jazz. Booker would like it, though.>>58708134Fantastic work as always. Impressive amount of detail and polish. Thanks for contributing your art to the group.
>>58708134I kneel
>>58708134Did Beast get skinned alive?
>>58707947Unbalanced. Either you get emeras that don't do anything worthwhile, or you get ones that let you hide behind your allies the entire dungeon or bust out a 10-hit Rollout. It's yet another reason the L5 dungeons suck so much ass in SMD.
>>58708546That Ronnie boy ain't right.
The speaker's cadence and some of their high level explanations are kind of annoying, but this video is interesting:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkdD6EKxlzM
>>58708546and robbed of his kitchen utensilspunished Ronnie has his revenge
>>58708134kill ronnie right the fuck now
>>58708134Is that Adrian inside a de-evo orb?
>>58708921I keep getting that one recommended to me. I guess I'll watch it
>>58708134Holy crap. Not only it is visually stunning, I love the details like the Delibird on Linoone's cloak.
>>58709410It appears to be, with the cape and the teddiursa doll. I do not like the implications of Cyndaquil holding it
>>58671425I read Vaporeanon’s “The Deluge” (https://rentry.org/CG-TD), and I really liked it. I have quite a bit to say.Your writing is enjoyable to read and has a nice style to it, even feeling romantic/poetic at times. Great job with all the storm imagery in particular. You really conveyed the feeling of being trapped in an oppressive deluge. You generally depict the scenery and characters’ thoughts well, too.There was a lot of talking, but the arguments were mostly solid and interesting to follow. I particularly liked how Althi kept using the “you’re an exception” excuse to try and deal with her cognitive dissonance. I also noticed she hates seeing Ari’s true form but then mocks her for using a disguise, further exemplifying her flawed worldview and hypocrisy.On the topic of hate, it made for a good recurring theme here, most notably with Ari’s struggle to resist her hate. She eventually fails and gives in to it, but that’s totally understandable. I think that was a good development and makes the story cohesive.Actually, I’d go so far as to say the part where Ari finally lets loose and fights back against Althi is one of my favorite parts of your stories (along with the orphanage flashback and Ari looking at her reflection in Checkered Chasm). It was cool that she automatically disguises herself as Althi when she gives in to her anger, both literally and figuratively becoming like Althi. It was also intriguing to see Ari weaponize her telepathy to torture Althi in a unique way, forcing her to experience something that her mind can’t comprehend. Clever idea.1/2
>>58709582As much as I hate Althi, it was touching how she wanted the first thing she heard to be her brother playing in the snow. That info kinda came out of nowhere, but it tied into the climax very neatly and built up some sympathy for her. It was a strong way to demonstrate her hate for Ari and her love for Pirth, and makes the ending even sadder now that Althi’s own bigotry has torn her and her brother apart—that is, her bigotry plus some bad luck. I mean, nobody wanted it to end this way. Althi didn’t want to hurt d’Alin and she didn’t want to leave Pirth, while d’Alin and Ari didn’t want to insult Althi or drive her away... but by a sequence of unfortunate and realistic events, things just fell apart.Additionally, good job conveying d’Alin’s desperation in the dream sequence. Same goes for Althi’s hopelessness and dark resolve in the final scene. It’s a bold choice to have one of your main characters leave the team, but after what happened between them, it couldn’t have gone any other way.As for critiques: there were lots of small grammar mistakes and typos; I feel like the story could’ve been condensed and the pace sped up, because sometimes it felt like characters were repeating themselves or taking in circles; the first Pirth scene was amusing but unnecessary for the plot; and part of me wishes you depicted the scene where the team discusses new dorm arrangements (it gets referenced and hinted at, but it might’ve been more effective to show it happening in real time).Overall, great work on this chapter. I’m impressed by how you set up and executed this tragic ending. It's been quite the ride, but this chapter was written well and leaves a strong impact. I’m curious to see what’ll happen to Althi going forward and how the remaining team members (especially Pirth) will deal with the Althi-shaped hole in their group.2/2
Hi guys, first sneak peek from Cider's next entry as usual.His first mission won't go too smoothly, unfortunately.
>>58709790LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
>>58709790yooo i knew he'd come back
>>58709790Oh, nice. Excited to see it!
>>58709790The return of the king
>In a spiritual sense, and in many ways a physical sense, Sentinels are *only* Aura. They don't possess souls, thoughts or wills beyond 'fight intruder'[1], and their bodies unravel into nothingness when said Aura is depleted. Certain processes can cause portions of the body to remain[2], but never a whole corpse.>A Humon[3] is what happens when a soul is put in a sentinel shell. The soul acts as a kind of animating and stabilizing force, giving will and life to the shell, and allowing it to persist past Aura depletion. These Humons are generally visually identical to a common Pokémon, although Pokémon skilled in sensing Aura can notice easily the differing interactions of a soul with an Aura foreign to it compared to one with its own native Aura[4]. It is hypothesized that removal of this stabilizing element - through death or other means - will cause the body to disappear as normal, but said hypothesis is considered ethically and logistically infeasible to test.>Ates (1382) puts forth that, unlike normal Pokémon, Humon souls and Aura are not well aligned when initially merged, but instead gradually come to work together. This would explain the differences noted by Cario. Speculation suggests that in some rare cases, the gradual alignment of Aura to a foreign soul can cause minor physical changes to the body, but these are not well documented in the literature.[1]As first proven by Noir, D. & Sion, H. T. (1290) in "Towards Understanding of Sentinel Behavior", and many works since.[2]Further reading in Zam, A. (1334) "On the Nature of Exclusive Items"[3]Term popularized by Ates, H. (1382) "A Synthesist View of the Mist Continent Crisis"[4]According to Cario, L. (1340) "Comparative Analysis of Aura"
>>58710082Academic citation and everything. I didn't know pokemon could be so professional
My shiddy mspaint eevee I did like a year ago
>>58710082>The researcher namesHeh
I really do want to express how much I appreciate the reviews from (You) >>58709582 and the other anons in the last thread who reviewed/discussed my story. It means more than you know that people care enough about my stories (and the stories for the Clover Guild in general) to take time out of their day to not only read stories but to critique and discuss it as well. I know I'm speaking for myself but I'm sure it's so for many other writers as well when I say that the engagement lurkers and reviewers bring are a big part of the motivation to keep creating content for the Clover Guild; please don't ever stop!Also proper epilogue out soon; no waiting another half-year lol
>>58710082>IEEE style citationI know what you are
I know there’s been talk in the last thread about reviews not being harsh and full of critique, and while I know I struggle with providing critical feedback, I’ll do my best for Growlithe-anon and Tropius-anon’s Skylight (>>58683336). It won’t be much and it’s really just me nitpicking, though I can safely say that’s definitely because the story really is just that great and not since I am bad at critique.Overall, the story was a very enjoyable read. The reveal of the design of the trap in Tropius’ house makes it sell the point of Boo! Haunted Guild that the malicious spirits know the fears of the characters in the Guild by nature of them being around for so long. I really like the implication that Tropius would have been trapped for a long, long while within the dungeon had it not been for the presence of Bill and Gill to usher him out of a state of paralyzing fear; it shows that these spirits are generally malicious in intent and it really sells/compliments the spirit’s sheer joy in torturing the Growlithe twins. It’s hard to write these types of scenes without it being overly edgy, but the two anons here did an incredible job with that.My one critique story-wise is that I don’t feel like I was sold that Tropius could step out of the light to rescue due to the reaction he has had before (excellently portrayed in The Weather Up There) since it’d be such a debilitating condition for him, but that is very likely my own personal interpretation. Regardless, while I had my doubts it would have happened, I was very easily able to accept the fact that it did because of how Tropius was portrayed as slowly losing his steam through the final battle. I’ll talk about the prose in the moment but the description of Tropius slowly faltering throughout the dungeon and in the final battle was a definite highlight that really sold the stakes of the story; everything from his breathing to his speech captured just that. Well done, truly.1/2
>>58710385Continuing...Also, the final scene with Bill and Gill working together for their “special move” was a very kino moment and the action and the dialogue afterwards captured the dynamic of some of my favorite characters in the Guild perfectly. Plus seeing Bill take the role of the therapist at the end in contrast with Tropius’ (rightful and justified) distaste for the spirit was an interesting contrast that highlights that these two groups of characters still have different motivations but can come together to tackle an issue because they have a genuine relationship beyond surface-level differences and experiences; the fact Tropius respects Bill despite his therapy truly sells this. I don’t know if that was the intent but I certainly enjoyed the conclusion of the story more because of it.And, of course, the prose. I said I’d be nitpicky and this definitely is that, but I do feel that compared to the previous Liminal Crossroads (from my memory) the prose became less colorful and a bit more repetitive. I’d chalk that up to the last update to that extremely kino and well-written story being so long ago, but I bring this with the hope that the employed writing continues to improve. But, seriously, this is a total nitpick; it’s like complaining the prose has gone from a 12/10 to an 11/10. Skylight is still wonderfully written and beautifully described in every single beat throughout the story. I know for myself this story employed the quality of prose I still continuously aspire to accomplish. The prose is always a highlight for me but the fact that it is used in a story/plot (that is extremely creative and well-executed!) makes this story exceptionally enjoyable.To both anons and in sum:Amazing, riveting story and I hope to see you both continue writing for the Guild and gracing us with such kino. The little critique I have in spite of me being extreme with it is a true testament to how well you two wrote.2/2
I'm starving for beastkino...
>>58708134giving Shelby access to a knife is considered a war crime in most countries
>>58710218cute
>>58711033Water v Sand Continent is escalating too far. First stage evolution soldiers is unacceptable
I’d normally not consider it fair for me to review a story after the previous author’s wonderfully done story, but I can safely say that I have little fear in doing so for Ribombee-anon’s most recent story “Dark Energy.” >>58684577Firstly, critiques. It’s even more difficult to provide constructive feedback for this story than the last, and that’s mainly because I think this is one of the best stories that Ribombee-anon has written to date. A gripe I've had with many of Ribombee-anon’s other (older) stories is that they feel too “safe.” There is a definite structure that – when reading through many of his stories in quick succession like I did at first – can get monotonous, but I realized that in more recent stories such as the end of Learning to Fly, this has diminished substantially and made the stories more enjoyable (yes, I know this is a critique on past works more than the current one, but that’s with purpose!). Even though it was very well-known that this story was towards the beginning of the Guild and thus would not have many overt ramifications, I still found myself drawn by the story being told, something that’s hard to do given that so much development has already occurred from this point in the timeline. I genuinely do believe that the story structure that Ribombee-anon has employed as of late has made his stories far more riveting and this one is in my opinion the best he’s made; more on that in the end. Sneasel having this fear and it serving as a parallel to Booker’s own path to learning his aura is nice to have and it was also great to learn more about this “curse” that has been teased before and which was featured in ETF: Thunderdome. Her being mysterious and avoidant about her curse in Dark Energy makes sense for Team Brave’s early relationship and her reservations at the end of the story to tell Booker as well as Sneasel’s worries make perfect sense for the character.(1/2)
>>58712035Like I said before, the ending is a typical “safe one” that doesn’t change the status quo much, but this is more a symptom of the story’s timeline placement. I do hope that in spite of that the ramifications of Sneasel's curse can be demonstrated in other stories. I’ll also admit I prefer more changes to the status quo but that does not happen often in Clover Guild due to the nature of the project, so no harm there whatsoever if not done. And still, the ending is well done in my unsolicited, amateur opinion; Booker letting Sneasel know that their partnership is secure in spite of her doubts while also pushing her to fix it fits the two characters. I also really enjoyed (and giggled at) the ending scene where Sneasel was attempting to meditate alongside KFC and Booker.Now, the story and imagery. I was initially surprised the main foe appeared early at the story, but it was a great way to show that the main focus was in fact Sneasel’s own inner demons. The imagery employed during both of those scenes, however, was great. The description of the attacks of the Basculegion and its sheer size really drove home the imposing visage it had relative to Booker, and Sneasel’s attack on it both without and with dark-type moves (plus the associated brutality of the latter) were extremely well done. The same can be said for Booker’s initial reaction to Sneasel; his desire to leave was captured well. I do wish the fear was a bit more strong in Booker and it took him longer to attempt to comfort Sneasel, but this is a minor concern relative to the vast improvement in the storytelling I’ve seen from this writer. Really I think that this is some of the best visual description (and music, that was amazing too!) that’s been used by Ribombee-anon and I really only hope he keeps it up; truly, I do think that this is the author's best story yet and I cannot express how much I hope I see more of this kind of writing henceforth.(2/2)
>>58708134free Smith
>>58712657Best I can do is 2000 Poke.
>>58712753His life is not worth 2,000 poke. Let him rot in the grime mines
>>58713038now that's fucked up.
>>58710218how did you get this picture of me
>>58713234You're not him and you definitely don't want to be him. He's a freak
>>58713262>eevee>freak>shth fanhe's literally me
>>58713234No thats my art Its me if I were a pokemon an eevee who loves shadow the hedgehog. Heres more autistic drawings of her meeting shadow.
>>58713262Do not call her a freak please.
>>58713353>her>male tail markings
>>58713362We know what thread shadowfag uses
>>58713426I don't
>>58713445Well looks like you're owned
>>58713417gamefreak waited way too late to add this shit and we all know it.
Here's a piece someone drew for me once >>58713426wtf I dont know what you are talking about?>>58713417ehe yeh she/her
>>58713557have you read any clover fics?
>>58713573My shadow eevee is in the clover fics???
>>58713583That's not what he said
>>58713583kek no I was just wondering
>>58714390
>>58714390honestly I would prefer it if nobody was a furry. But that's my personal pipe dream
>>58712068Based reviewbrah
>>58714742We would all prefer it
>>58714742>>58715317Wish granted, there is no longer a PMD fandom. You all ended up doing drugs and committing suicide to fill the void.
>>58714390Define furry
>>58715858A furry is whatever I don't like because I'm a completely rational and stable adult on a mongolian underwater basket weaving forum.
Furries make my penor hard.
>>58715825>pmd is as good as smoking cracktell me something I don't know
>>58715825I'm planning to kill myself anyways, this only adds drugs as a factor
>>58709410The devolving will continue until his moral improves.
I read cider's latest story, gonna post review tomorrow. are you around cider fren?
