[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/vp/ - Pokémon


Thread archived.
You cannot reply anymore.


[Advertise on 4chan]


File: Faggot.jpg (15 KB, 480x360)
15 KB
15 KB JPG
I-is that...? Could it truly be...?
>>
>>58736009
KANTOOOOOOOOOO
>>
>>58736009
Yeah. It’s Charizard. KANTO, or whatever.
/thread
>>
>>58736009
That's Charizard but from Johto...
>>
File: 1568160797048.jpg (12 KB, 258x245)
12 KB
12 KB JPG
>>58736009
>kanto pokemon in GS's intro sequence: 6
>johto pokemon: 3 (just the starters)
Johto humiliated in the literal first minute of the game, fucking unreal
>>
>>58736009
top 10 moments in gaming history
>>
Typedo sissies why do we keep losing?
>>
>>58736009
>not obtainable in-game
What was the point?
>>
File: scared john.jpg (80 KB, 1080x1080)
80 KB
80 KB JPG
>>58736009
holy fucking kino
>>
>>58736046
Gen 2 was made out of spite and johto Pokémon were made to flop.
Fun fact, the Gen 2 starters were added least minute (likely by Iwata while he was carrying pedo freak’s sorry asses). They used to be the other Kanto starters in place of were they were
>>
>>58736082
GS was the first dexit
>>
File: x1080.jpg (184 KB, 1920x1080)
184 KB
184 KB JPG
Funny how Sinnoh doesn't have this problem.
>>
>>58736314
Because no one gave a shit about it lmao
>>
>>58736087
Hi Typedo
Couldn't find a way to fit Ohmori's cp collection in your schizobabble today?
>>
File: images[1].jpg (9 KB, 262x193)
9 KB
9 KB JPG
>>58736378
>>
>>58736082
you were expected to own the first game and transfer pokemon to GSC
>>
>>58736087
>the Gen 2 starters were added least minute
This is false because Meganium was present in the 1997 Space World beta.
>>
>>58736377
Blatantly false
>>
>>58737078
Was referring to the intro it initially didn’t have the johto starters https://youtu.be/eS_-hIruehg?si=eKlE2sospfyUHNXc

Though meganium being in the 1997 demo proves it was an industry plant all along, game freak just so stupid and did such an embarrassing job shilling it for 25 year so no one realized until it got a super saiyan shill form
>>
The GS intro represents the rise to heaven
its starts off low and moves upwards, reaching the pinnacle, the god
>>
>>58737234
Meganium is also the Johto Starter with the most appearances in the anime, Feraligatr gets scraps if lucky and Typhlosion got shafted except for that one special that also had Meganium and Feraligatr
>>
>>58737274
> also had Meganium and Feraligatr
I don’t think Gatr showed up in that. marina had croconaw
>>
>>58737285
Oh yeah you're right, it was a Croconaw so that's another point for Meganium
Bad stats aside and a mid movepool, Meganium got the best treatment of the Johto trio
>>
>>58736046
Hey there Pokemon Mentally Challenged.
>>
>>58736021
>>58736031
Lizardon*
>>
>>58736009
>biggest gimmick of its games are the fact you can return to Kanto
>region so insignificant, it has to share its Pokemon League with Kanto
>20% of Johto's newly introduced Pokémon are either evolutions or pre-evolutions of Kanto Pokémon
>people thought for years that Pokémon like Skarmory, Slugma and Magcargo were Hoenn Pokémon due to how shit Johto Pokémon are available in GSC
>majority of the Johto gym leaders use Kanto Pokémon
>the only Johto gym leaders in GSC that use Johto Pokémon are Whitney, Jasmine, Pryce and Clair; Whitney and Pryce's aces are the only Johto Pokémon that are not evolutions of a Kanto Pokémon
>Remake did NOT fix most of these errors (they're still some of the best games tho)
>in the anime-side, Ash's Johto team is one of the worst teams; Ash had to use his Kanto Pokémon (Pikachu, Snorlax and Charizard) to beat the final Johto gym because of how SHIT his team was; Ash's Phanpy and Heracross shined more in the seasons after Johto

G R I M
>>
>>58737536
johto is really just humiliating ritual: the region
>>
>>58737536
>People who ignore that Johto was meant to complement the game that came before, not replace it like every other pseudo-reboot starting with RSE
>>
>>58738003
It's literally the second fucking gen, it's retarded to diss it for not adhering to standards that didn't even exist yet. I don't give most Gen 2 hater complaints the time of day because most of them are worthless meme takes (muh KANTOOO). I'm playing Silver for the first time in two decades and am impressed by how much enjoyment I'm getting out of Johto.
>>
>>58738122
They made the gameplay worse than gen 1 and killed the cartridge battery faster in favor of blue overworld graphics at 8 PM.
>>
>>58738159
>They made the gameplay worse than gen 1
In what way?
>>
>>58738177
The battles are slower and easier than RBY, the new Pokemon aren't fun to find or use, teambuilding is more annoying thanks to day/night cycle cockblocking encounters, and the battery dies with your save file in half the time.
>>
>>58736314
...where's our intro cut-in, empoleonbros?
>>
>>58738221
>The battles are slower and easier than RBY
miltank says hi
>the new Pokemon aren't fun to find or use
opinion
> teambuilding is more annoying thanks to day/night cycle cockblocking encounters
it's really not a big deal.
> and the battery dies with your save file in half the time.
wasn't an issue until 20 years later when batteries start going bad
>>
>>58738240
>miltank says hi
Starmie says hi.
Geodude says hi. The Machop trade says hi. Sand Attack spam says hi. Early X items say hi. The low levels and shitmons in the other gym battles say hi.
>opinion
Bugged HP bars making battles longer than they need to is not fun. Making the new Pokemon difficult to find while being weaker than common mons is not fun. Imposing a challenge on yourself by using rare shitmons to have fun means the game was poorly designed from the beginning.
>not a big deal
Building a team is the most important component of Pokemon, not your gay catch em all slop Game Freak brainwashed you into caring about so you'd buy more games, consoles and merch.
>wasn't an issue until 20 years later
There is plenty of documented evidence online that GSC batteries last 5-10 years because of the real time clock, sometimes sooner. My Crystal battery died before DP came out. Meanwhile my Red and Yellow cartridges lasted almost 20 years.
>>
>>58738221
teambuilding is awesome in johto though. nothing is outright handed to you, you have to go out of your way for em, thus making every new team member an adventure in and of itself
later pokemon games could learn a lot from johto
>>
>>58738388
>Starmie says hi.
not even close to miltanks difficulty curve. Whitney and her Miltank are infamous with normies for a reason bro.
>Bugged HP bars making battles longer than they need to is not fun.
are you seriously complaining about hp bars?
>Making the new Pokemon difficult to find while being weaker than common mons is not fun
not every pokemon has to be competitive you autist.
>Imposing a challenge on yourself by using rare shitmons to have fun means the game was poorly designed from the beginning.
do you .... do you only use the best pokemon possible in a childrens game?
No idea how you play, but I just use pokemon that look neat.
>Building a team is the most important component of Pokemon, not your gay catch em all slop Game Freak brainwashed you into caring about so you'd buy more games, consoles and merch.
it was all about catching them all and collecting. The team building thing didn't start until around gen 3/4 or so.
>ere is plenty of documented evidence online that GSC batteries last 5-10 years because of the real time clock, sometimes sooner. My Crystal battery died before DP came out. Meanwhile my Red and Yellow cartridges lasted almost 20 years.
do you not understand the point I was making?
>>
>>58738388
fucking truthnuked
>>
>>58738399
>was all about catching them all and collecting
kill yourself scalper manchild
>>
>>58738404
calm down zoomer.
Those of us that were alive during pokemania can tell you it was indeed about collecting.
You even get a certificate for collecting them all
>>
>>58738404
>catching em all in a video game is scalping
are you telling me you didn't catch em all???
>>
>>58738399
>are you seriously complaining about [real problem]
>it was always about [game freak brainrot but listening to them is apparently bad now]
>do you not understand that 5-10 < 20
hypocrite and a retard
>>
>>58738413
>he didn't catch em all
>>
>>58738413
>are you seriously complaining about [real problem]
it's not really an issue, more of a nitpick.
>it was always about [game freak brainrot but listening to them is apparently bad now]
what?
>do you not understand that 5-10 < 20
my point was that the battery dying 10 years later was not a fucking issue when the game came out. No one was saying "OH GEE I Hope my save battery lasts 10+ years"
>>
>>58738413
you're really reaching for things to complain about when you bring up the fact that the battery lasts "only" 10 years in a game that's like 30 hours long if you're playing it casually without rushing anything
>>
>>58738415
>hp bar that worked perfectly is now fucked
it's an issue and also makes pvp on the cartridge shit
>what?
retard
>my point was [schizobabble]
are you the zoomer? people were complaining about this in the early 00s
>>
>>58738420
The battery lasted more like 5-7 years
I've heard some GS cartridges died before Emerald came out kek
>>
>Johtofag's only argument is "Uhhh did you catch em all"
Yes. Everyone did it in RBY when GS didn't kill Pokemania yet.
>>
>>58738426
and you can still complete it hundreds of times over in that time frame
but if this is really a major issue for you there's this really great remake on the DS that you could be playing instead, and now that issue among others are not present in that game
>>
>>58738421
>it's an issue and also makes pvp on the cartridge shit
how?
>retard
compelling argument anon
>are you the zoomer? people were complaining about this in the early 00s
prove it then faggot
>>
>>58738436
>how is fucking up something that wasn't broken before an issue
very intelligent question anon. i bet you shitpost about gen 4 hp bars being slow too
>compelling argument
no point in arguing with a retard but i'm having fun
>prove it
my friend group irl and the irc i used to be in. i saw some gamefaqs threads just now too. sorry you had no friends :(
>>
>>58738435
Lmfao only Johto niggers would try to defend that
Not even the most nostalgia rotted genwunners defend the shitty battery
>>
>>58738448
>very intelligent question anon. i bet you shitpost about gen 4 hp bars being slow too
again I don't have issues with it at all. I played Pearl when it came out and didn't give a shit about the hp bars. I never noticed pointless shit like that until autists started brining it up like it's some kind of problem or issue.
>no point in arguing with a retard but i'm having fun
I'm sure you are
>my friend group irl and the irc i used to be in. i saw some gamefaqs threads just now too. sorry you had no friends :(
so you don't have any actual proof that people were complaining about battery life in the early 00s like you claimed.
>>
>>58738454
it's not even a "defense" i just don't care.
the game isn't long enough for this to be much of an issue in my eyes.
nowadays I usually play johto in the form of HGSS anyway, where this doesn't apply
>>
>>58738458
To be fair there's no proof you caught them all back then either. Because your game battery died.
>>
>>58738458
I complained about it. Hard to find proof when I can't access AOL chat logs anymore or the dead forum I used to post in.
>>
>the game is le bad because [universal problem with retro games that utilize save batteries, especially handhelds]
you might as well have just announced in all caps that you're under the age of 18 KEK
>>
>>58738473
This wasn't a problem for me until gen 2 came out and none of the Kanto starters were accessible without the original games. What if future games did the same thing and they stopped selling RBY or the batteries died? Would they expect kids to change the battery themselves? What kind of precedent were they setting?
>>
>>58738477
So you played the gen 2 games long enough for the battery life to become an issue? Damn, you must have really enjoyed them
>>
>>58738481
What are you talking about? Those were the thoughts I had when Gold and Silver came out after they did the catch em all marketing.

Do you always do this, misconstrue the opposing post and shitpost like you're being victimized?
>>
>>58738485
you're trying too hard
>>
>>58738485
>Do you always do this, misconstrue the opposing post and shitpost like you're being victimized?
yes
>>
>>58738485
No one is being "victimized" here, we're arguing about the quality of a 25-year-old video game for the Game Boy Color.
Like >>58738489 said, you're trying way too hard
>>
>>58738489
I remmeber when this was your only argument in that /vr/ thread
>>
>>58738496
meds
>>
File: IMG_3855.jpg (369 KB, 1290x2408)
369 KB
369 KB JPG
>>58738496
kek me too
>>
>>58738502
>itoddler
KEEEEEEK
>>
>>58738502
>890 posts
Lol
>>
>>58738496
yet you continue to try way too hard
>>
>>58738509
some assblasted johtoddlers reported like half the thread and the tranny janny nuked it
and it still reached bump limit
>>
>>58738517
lmao that's what i was gonna say
if you don't wanna get told you're trying too hard, stop trying too hard
>>
>>58738502
>890 posts
Crazy shit. I briefly scanned through it and there's tons of samefagging. But I can tell these same retards are posting here too.
>>
>>58738546
yes. it goes for johto and anti johto fags. they should go the fuck back.
>>
File: skub.png (169 KB, 750x996)
169 KB
169 KB PNG
>>58738552
>johto thread
>>
>>58736046
>you meet Oak before Elm
>you're most likely to find Pidgey as your first encounter
>the gyms and elite 4 use more sloppy seconds from Kanto than they do Johto mons
>Typhlosion is just a fat wingless furry version of Chaizard with copy and pasted stats
>Lance is somehow weaker in gen poo
joke of a region
>>
>>58738552
alight boys lets move it back to /vr/ >>>/vr/12246375
>>
>>58738557
johtofag here. none of these are a problem and i won't explain shit. also you're a zoomer
>>
>>58738557
tapping the sign
>>58738003
>>58738122
>>
File: Johto.png (38 KB, 722x628)
38 KB
38 KB PNG
>>58738561
tapping the sign
>>
>>58738552
>>58738558
but why
>>
>>58738561
Johtofags complain about every game not having 2 regions or the previous region's protagonist all the time. You only use this argument when it's convenient for you.
>>
>>58738560
i will also bend the opposing argument or say no one cared at the time because i can't actually argue against it
>>
>>58738564
>haha this is what you are saying!
i happen to think johto's way of doing things is fucking awesome and way cooler than the other gens
this strawman image is the funniest thing ever because absolutely no one says this
>>
>>58738572
95% of everyone's teams only being Typhlosion, Ampharos and Red Gyarados was fucking awesome? Whatever you say.
>>
>>58738580
as apposed to Charizard, Alakazam and Gengar?
>>
>>58738581
>2 trade evos
Your shitpost isn't even believable.
>>
>>58738587
I'm sorry you didn't have friends
>>
>>58738580
speak for yourself, just because (You) used those three Pokemon doesn't mean I did
I actually explored the game and try to use different team members each time
Funnily enough, to this very day I have never used Ampharos
>>58738587
>admitting to not having friends
>>
>>58738595
>>58738596
good goys. go buy that link cable for your friends. maybe some tcg packs too.
>>
>>58738609
are you ... are you attempting to shame people for buying pokemon cards on /vp/?
>>
>>58738596
I can also say I used Chansey in Red or Huntail in Ruby because I loved using different team members. Doesn't mean it was the consensus for most used Pokemon in-game. You simply do not argue in good faith.
>>
>>58738616
Buying Pokemon cards in 2025 means you're a manchild scalper or a manchild buying from scalpers
>>
>>58738609
if you had friends who played pokemon (which was every kid in '96), at least one of you had the 15 dollar link cable.
>>58738619
So you admit that every Pokemon game had a "default" team, thus making your argument moot?
>>
>>58738625
I'm saying the vast majority of people used the same team for Johto. I swear you're being retarded on purpose.
>>
>>58738631
they didn't though.
>>
File: 1761534487000.png (363 KB, 1030x1668)
363 KB
363 KB PNG
Johturds.... explain this....
>>
>>58738634
They did though.
>>
>>58738637
okay, prove your claim
>>
>>58738638
I'll use your "proof" - I used that team so you did too.
>>
>>58738631
...and then admitting that this applies to every pokemon game in >>58738619.
Which one of us is being retarded?
>>58738635
I fail to see the issue.
>>
>>58738644
how is that my proof? Are you okay anon?
>>
>>58738635
>doesn’t even use crobat
joke region
>>
>>58738485
>Do you always do this, misconstrue the opposing post and shitpost like you're being victimized?
rings more true as the thread goes.
>>
File: gen 2 bro.png (130 KB, 2239x902)
130 KB
130 KB PNG
>>58738635
that's gen 3 and 4
>>
>>58738648
dementia-kun...
>>
>>58738649
Because it's a friendship evolution, so his they save the evolution until later to show that he has learned to love his Pokemon instead of only caring about their power. It's pretty kino.
>>
>>58738635
>comparing the last rival fight to the second to last fight
disingenuous and retarded
>>
>>58738673
>so his they
I had a bit of a stroke while revising this but the point still applies
>>
>>58738596
that post did not say you used them. not everything is about you, manchildfag.
>>
>>58738682
>manchildfag
you're arguing about a children's game on an anonymous site, gain some self awareness
>>
>>58738685
>throwing insults while ignoring that you can't read
typical manchild.
>>
>>58738682
post you just replied to is a different anon btw
not that it really matters for the sake of the argument, just thought i'd mention it
>>
>>58738674
>didn't play the game
they are both the second to last fight. blue's frlg rematch fight is in the 70s.
>>
>Falkner uses Pidgeotto as his ace
>Bugsy uses Scyther as his ace
>Whitney uses Clefable as her ace
>Morty uses Gengar as his ace
>Chuck uses Poliwrath as his ace
>Jasmine uses Magneton as her ace
>Pryce uses Lapras as his ace
>Clair uses Seadra as her ace
Why is Johto so pathetic, bros?
>>
>>58738635
now compare the final battle with blue (frlg) to the final battle with red (hgss)
>>
>>58737536
>(they're still some of the best games tho)
i beg to differ
>>
>>58738708
A false equivalency. Who was your rival and who was the champion in Johto again?

Even then, Red gets shut down by a level 20 Shuckie Encore, letting you set up on it with an underleveled shitmon while it spams Quick Attack.
>>
>>58738724
>comparing a final boss to a final boss is a false equivalency
>>
>>58738730
>final boss
Lance? Is it suddenly convenient for Kanto to be the main game again?
>>
>>58738724
This doesn't happen. Pikachu will always prefer to use Thunderbolt or Thunder because it's a neutral hitting move, and Quick Attack is not very effective.
Shuckle's HP also wouldn't be in the "low percentage kill zone" that makes the AI prioritize using weaker moves to give the player a chance to runback with a healing item or switch with relative safety.
>>
>>58738732
Giga retard. Pikachu sees a roll that kills with Quick Attack and will use it because it has priority.
>>
>>58738731
yes. as we all know johto is known for having zero postgame as red is the final boss.
>>
>>58738737
>Lvl 81 Pikachu Quick Attack vs. Lvl 20 Shuckle: 17-20 (30.3 - 35.7%) -- 17.3% chance to 3HKO
The scenario you describe literally doesn't exist. Even a Shuckle at that low a level tanks Quick Attack effortlessly. The AI WILL use Thunderbolt or Thunder as a result.
>>
>>58738742
dumb nigger doesn't know what predamage is
>>
>>58738732
>>58738743
What kid is going to predamage a level 20 shuckle to fight red. What fucking scenario is this and why does it make gen 2 worse

See shit like this is why I say you try too hard
>>
>>58738747
>encore
>gen 2
>when the post was about hgss
>i was too stupid to come up with the strategy myself so ur trying too hard
back to /vr/ retard
>>
>>58738749
point still stands, what kid is going to try to beat red with a level 20 shuckle and how does that make johto worse.

This is so fucking stupid
>>
>>58738749
Encore is in gen 2 but yes. In gen 2 the Pikachu is even shittier so you don't need it.
>>
>>58736314
Man i remember playing gen 4 and being so stoked to see turtwigs evolutions haha

I played it the whole day with my friend, good times
>>
>>58738743
>B-BUT IF YOU PREDAMAGE SHUCKLE FIRST,
Now you're trying too hard. Why are you going for this esoteric fucking Shuckle angle in the first place?
If you want a "LAWL SO EZ!" that makes sense and exploits the fact Red leads with a Pikachu who has no answers to physical bulk, he gets raped by Thick Club Marowak after giving it a few doses of X Speed, taking advantage of the free turns from effortlessly tanking Quick Attack (and Iron Tail if we're factoring in HGSS).
>>
>>58738754
>>58738755
in gen 2 any fucking kid can use x items on the graveler they were told to use
>>
>>58738757
>now i have to raise a thick club maroshit when any retard can use the shuckie strategy with any mon
who's trying too hard now fag?
>>
>>58738762
Me
>>
>BOOHOO WHAT KID USED SHUCKLE
Maybe if millennials were intelligent instead of grooming zoomers on IRC they'd be better at battling
>>
>>58738775
I care more about collecting than battling
>>
>>58738762
>>58738775
I'm sure all the kids at your school were intellectuals who knew the AI intimately enough to understand what predamage cheese strats were back in the 2000s, I totally believe you.
>>
>>58738781
And now zoomers made the strat for you, go and thank them
>>
>>58738783
No, they made the predamage strat for YOU, because YOU'RE the one who brought up "lol you can sweep red by setting up thanks to encore shuckle!! so pathetic lmao" in the first place.
>>
>>58738783
Thank you zoomies for trivializing everything we thought was difficult. We thought you needed to be at least level 70 to stand a chance against Red, on shift mode. We thought the Battle Frontier was cheating when we simply made bad decisions. But now we know better.
>>
>>58738788
And now you learned some common knowledge today. Pays off to be in the /vp/ genwar bubble huh?
>>
inb4 johtoddies get mad and mass report again and the hater posts get deleted
>>
>>58738797
this dude was also in /vr/ with the same arguments. He's just autistic about hating johto
>>
>you can mog gen 1 with a single Kadabra
>you can mog gen 2 with a Graveler and Kadabra
>you can mog gen 3 with your starter
>you can mog gen 4 with your starter
>you can mog gen 5 with most of the pokemon you catch on route 4 due to momentum from abilities like moxie
>you can mog gen 6 with your starter
>you can mog gen 7 (except USUM) with your starter
>you can mog gen 8 with your starter or a free legendary from dynamax adventures
>you can mog gen 9 with flamigo
Ladies, ladies, calm down, you're all gorgeous.
>>
File: 1520136936558.jpg (64 KB, 500x500)
64 KB
64 KB JPG
>>58738801
>>
>>58738805
>memegenerator
remember when we got mad at reddit for stealing our memes? now we can't be bothered to make them ourselves
>>
File: fixed.png (509 KB, 500x500)
509 KB
509 KB PNG
>>58738812
100 hours in paint
>>
>>58738818
you're trying too hard.
>>
>>58738822
damn right I am
>>
>>58738825
good for you. see you in /vr/
>>
File: qyd1841xden61.png (348 KB, 1349x1349)
348 KB
348 KB PNG
>>58738831
you going to continue sperging about johto?
If so, I'd prefer you stay here where you belong
>>
>>58738831
Not like /vr/ likes Johturds either
>>
>>58738801
you got caught samefagging and the jannies cleaned it up
>>
>>58738838
>boohoo i need my johto hugbox :(
then go back to r*ddit

>>58738845
>all the anti johto posts were me
sure thing schizo. i'm sure that's why they kept going after the deletion in the /vr/ thread
>>
>>58738845
These threads are always like 4 people max
>>
>>58738851
>sure thing schizo. i'm sure that's why they kept going after the deletion in the /vr/ thread
vpn bro
>>
>>58738851
>sure thing schizo. i'm sure that's why they kept going after the deletion in the /vr/ thread
you kept on using the same dumbass arguments, even after the ban.
>>
>>58738856
you're trying too hard
>>
>>58738868
>>58738825
>>
>>58738864
Trying too hard. Johtofags all use the same argument of being tsundere towards the Jan video.
>>
>>58738868
>>58738873
Did I strike a nerve?
I didn't think the "trying too hard" would've stuck with you this much
>>
>>58738875
>no denial
The truth is hard to accept. Buck broken for 5 whole years.
>>
>>58738880
>YOU HAVE TO DENY THE VIDEO
see, you're trying too hard again
>>
>>58738873
Nvke
>>
File: 1589076225222.png (535 KB, 867x1098)
535 KB
535 KB PNG
>>58738880
>>58738887
This your guy?
>>
>>58738885
>still no denial
>parroting
Concession accepted. Don't forget to like and subscribe.
>>
>>58738890
>shitting on Clover
Pretty based
>>
>>58736378
tell me more about this, I would love to know more about this guy
>>
>>58736009
>look at this cool Pokemon you can't get without the older game
This was a big deal for normalfags jumping on the train late. In gen 2 you can't get the full experience without playing gen 1 first.
>>
>>58738909
people still had gen 1 games and link cables, they didn't magically go away
>>
>>58738927
Most kids want to play the new game everyone else is playing with their friends.
>>
>>58738909
you do know that's why everyone quit with gen 3 right? They could no longer transfer their gens 1/2 pokemon to the new games and quit because of it
>>
>>58738940
I don't know about you but I didn't give a shit about that after Red.
>>
>>58738937
trading a starter over takes less than 10 min. Me and my brother did this when we got gold/silver
>>
>>58738947
Okay? How does that address the feeling of missing out in gen 1?
>>
anyone hating on gen 2 is mentally ill. all these threads are pure schizobabble which do nothing just confirm gen 2's status as the greatest which mindbreaks trannies on veepee
>>
>>58738957
but Anon, muh hp bars are slow so the games shit
>>
>>58738909
it's a common sentiment with the post-pokemania fags. never got into Pokemon b/c there's too much shit to remember by gen 3 or 4
>>
>>58738909
>This was a big deal for normalfags jumping on the train late. In gen 2 you can't get the full experience without playing gen 1 first.
yeah, I couldn't get Totadile in ruby so I didn't get the full experience
>>
>>58738957
Gen 2 gave birth to Poketrannies with Kris doebeit
>>
>>58738974
>totodile
>in the ruby intro

>johtofag
>being wrong and stirring shit
make a more iconic duo
>>
>>58738997
damn anon you're right, Charizard being in the into movie and not obtainable in game completely ruins the entire game
kudos on your brilliant logic
>>
>>58739007
>FOMO
>completely ruins the entire game
yes.
>>
>>58738909
fixed in hgss
>>
File: FPKIqwWXwAEI9yA.jpg (72 KB, 1000x1000)
72 KB
72 KB JPG
okay the real question that needs to be answered

GSC or HGSS?
>>
>>58738947
You can't do this until you get the Time Capsule halfway through the game. It's not like you can use Charmander as your starter
>>
>>58738731
what's FRLG's postgame final boss again, it's been ages
>>
>>58736009
This Image speaks VOLUMES
>>
>>58739021
Why did they make a shitmon like Ledian a morning only encounter?
>>
>>58739022
Ecruteak City isn't that late though
>>
>>58739025
trainer tower
>>
>>58739033
is that really equivalent to Red though?
>>
>>58739028
that's when ladybugs are most active in real life
>>
>>58739038
no, it's much better than red and the trainers can have level 100s
>>
The post game final boss of RBY is Mewtwo
The post game final boss of GSC is Red
>>
>>58738890
I've never seen this guys video on gen 2.
Are all these retarded arguments from this video or something?
>>
>>58739039
>Ladybugs are most active during the warm hours of the day, especially in the late morning to early afternoon when temperatures rise
So midday
>>
>>58739041
So ZA with the DLC must be the best Pokemon game then, since enemies can go beyond level 100
Are high levels the only thing you care about?
>>
>>58739078
>Are high levels the only thing you care about?
You were insinuating this by bringing up Red
>>
>>58739078
so you're saying ZA fags and trainer tower can stomp red's pussy ass?
>>
>>58739086
Yes. Never mind he brought up "best Pokemon game" out of nowhere.
>>
>>58739094
>"out of nowhere" even though the argument has been about quality from the very start
>>
>>58736046
They knew that the players who would like the Johto game's favorite parts would be Kanto.
>>
>>58739301
actually, my favorite part is ecruteak city
>>
>>58738572
no, you all simply refuse to acknowledge that's what your drivel amounts to
>>
>>58739326
>no, you didn't say what you actually said, you said this instead because that suits my narrative better
kek
>>
>>58739028
Ledian is STRONG and COOL!
>>
>>58739336
>strong
Maybe not that one, but
>cool
Absolutely. Beetles in general are rad.
>>
>>58736009
Why is this a problem?
>>
>>58736314
Worst starters ever
>>
>>58739423
people really wanna hate GSC/HGSS so they'll grasp at any little thing and try to present it as a point against the game
>>
>>58739423
correct kanto shill:
literally giving you CHARMANDER to cuck your shitty starter with 2 new forms
problematic kanto shill:
charizard in opening movie
charizard bridge
charizard champion
charizard ride
>>
>>58739507
This.
>>
>>58739507
You have yet to properly argue against any point in this thread. You twist the argument into something you think is the same when it isn't or brush it off as meaningless when all you're doing is starting shit. Then you get called out on being retarded and it makes you more agitated. This is why every thread you participate in will be garbage and turn out like this.
>>
>>58739336
background mon
>>
>>58739609
that was my first post ITT
>>
File: IMG_3856.jpg (243 KB, 1290x1803)
243 KB
243 KB JPG
we fucking did it reddit
>>
>>58739120
>the argument has been about quality from the very start
>original post is "explain this..."
what did he mean by this
>>
>>58739652
Ah the face of unemployment / menial security jobs. At least they had fun.
>>
>>58738635
He lost the moment he used the toilet
>>
>>58738003
>Remake did NOT fix most of these errors
Johto's remake in Gen 4 should have been THE opportunity to make the region shine more and be seen as more than just Kanto's backyard.
>>
File: LOL.png (411 KB, 960x720)
411 KB
411 KB PNG
Humiliation ritual
>>
>>58739021
GSC
>>
>>58739804
inb4 b-but they're not errors
>>
File: EYe4dvXWoAE2qx6.png (440 KB, 794x715)
440 KB
440 KB PNG
>>58739813
>>
>>58739815
i mean yeah they really arent
>>
>>58740033
>saging
Kwab
>>
>>58739815
The HP bar bug and the battery lasting 5-7 years when they weren't issues before are objective errors. Imagine wanting to play Platinum when XY came out, but your whole save file was erased due to the battery.
>>
>>58739652
>>58739813
>>58739820
You’re trying too hard
>>
>>58740069
inb4 THEY DONT MATTER I ONLY COLLECT POKEMON LIKE DADDY GOYIM FREAK TOLD ME TO
>>
>>58740099
It should matter. Your original completed Pokemania dex is dead over 10 years earlier if you transferred everything to GSC.
>>
>>58740097
Took you 90 minutes to come up with that? You should try harder.
>>
>>58740128
why should i try harder when i can bullshit the argument and say wasn't an issue to everything
the mods don't care, i don't care
>>
>>58740153
Maybe come up with actual issues that aren’t subjective
Oh right, the best you have is a hardware issue
>>
>>58740153
Well at least you're self aware.
>>
>>58740159
Level curve, rare shitmons, bad programming, overreliance on Kanto were all issues talked about upon the initial release. Saying no they weren't or deflecting to Poketubers won't make them go away especially if you're dinging other gens for not following gen 2's model.
>>
>>58740168
>Level curve, rare shitmons, bad programming, overreliance on Kanto were all issues talked about upon the initial release.
zoomer historical revisionism right here
> Saying no they weren't or deflecting to Poketubers won't make them go away especially if you're dinging other gens for not following gen 2's model.
take your meds bro
>>
>>58740168
this and the baby shit
anyone who disagrees was too young for forums and chatrooms at the time
>>
>>58740179
post proof then faggot, oh wait you can't
>>
>Gen 1 autists are still mad their game is inferior
>>
File: gigachad.png (174 KB, 631x729)
174 KB
174 KB PNG
Kanto is only fun when it's GSC/HGSS's postgame.
Kanto relies on Johto, and when it doesn't, it's boring as shit.
>>
>>58740181
Post your proof mate. You always make the claim first.
>>
>>58738567
No, people just thought revisiting a previous region is a cool idea (it is). Terminally online spergs are butthurt at Gen 1's popularity and GF's handling of it and project this weird mentality everywhere, including far into the past where it makes no sense like Gen 2.
>>
>>58740192
>claim everyone complained about "stuff"
>"now post proof it didn't happen"
what?
>>
>>58740181
you had to be there zoomie.
>>
>>58740192
You can prove that something happened.
You cannot prove that something didn't happen.
>>
>umm actually internet forums all HATED gen 2
>no I can't provide any proof or sources
see, you're trying too hard
>>
>>58740206
>>58740211
>too young for forums and irc
kek
>>
>>58740217
We know you are. You don't need to tell us.
>>
>>58740192
Basically every message board and chats are long gone from that era. So anyone can make up shit and pretend it was the overall consensus when it was the opinion of their bubble.
>>
I've genuinely never met a person that says gen 1 was better than gen 2 and I knew a few that grew up with both.
I grew up only with gen 2 though.
>>
>>58740219
you wouldn't be saying this shit if you weren't 7 at the time
you think it was universally loved? you simply weren't online

>>58740223
i checked gamefaqs and serebii and they only go back to 2008 and 2005 respectively. so i'll say gsc were dropped upon release, and crystal having the lowest sales reflects that
>>
>>58740217
>too new for "pics or it didn't happen"
>>
Crystal >>> G/S
>>
>>58740236
Ironically this was only used here since 2007. So you're a DP zoomer?
>>
>>58740184
It's Gen 1 haters. They're mad about Gen 1 shit in newer games and use every opportunity to be a little bitch about it, including older games. If you were playing Gen 2 when it was current, you were very likely a "genwunner" already or playing them simultaneously.
>>
>>58740242
While cyrtsal is my favorite I have to disagree. Crystal started the trend of handing you legendries which I find problematic
>>
>>58738409
MODS
>>
>>58740233
>sales
Faggots here will get mad but it's the only real evidence for overall reception, not some neckbeard spamming about his hyperfixation on SomethingAwful.
>>
>>58740260
yes, twilight and harry potter are the greatest books of all time.
>>
>>58740262
The Bible is, yes.
>>
>>58740260
>swsh sold a gorillion copies, that must mean it was received well
>>
>>58740249
No, GS started that and it was better than the esoteric nonsense in gen 1. You could actually find shit without an internet guide.

Crystal just gave you more and had much better QoL, animations, better colour, it was just better.
>>
>>58740267
it technically was, you're not 5-12 years old anymore. sorry your twitter and reddit bbnd boycott didn't work :(
>>
File: 1765706606862871.png (191 KB, 446x223)
191 KB
191 KB PNG
>>58740269
>esoteric nonsense
Bros I thought the best thing about old gens was they don't shove the legendaries in your face...
>>
>>58740267
Well it was the last one I played other than Arceus because SV was bug central and not doing what Arceus was doing - the direction pokemon should have gone.

>then they fuck legends up with ZA, so we'll never see Arceus turned into our dream pokemon game
Arceus felt like how I imagined pokemon would be in the future back in 2001. I was so happy GF were trying something like that for once.
>>
>>58740269
>No, GS started that and it was better than the esoteric nonsense in gen 1.
I hard disagree. Having legendary pokemon be hidden away is excellent world building. They're legendary for a reason.
>You could actually find shit without an internet guide.
no one needed a guide to find the 3 birds or mewtwo
>Crystal just gave you more and had much better QoL, animations, better colour, it was just better.
I agree but I dislike them just giving you a legendary dog.

>>58740284
showing they exist isn't the same as shoving them in your face in game. There is no "fateful encounter" bullshit. You have to go out of your way to catch them
>>
>>58740260
Mighty Number 9 sold almost as many copies as Mega Man 2 did. Your argument pretty much falls apart there.
>>
>>58740284
The best thing about gen 2 was that it actually worked unlike gen 1.
Otherwise, Firered/Leafgreen were better.
>>
>>58740291
>Having legendary pokemon be hidden away is excellent world building. They're legendary for a reason.
Ok, so Missingno is official. Good to know.
>>
>>58740302
unironically yes
https://youtu.be/LN8P5lCPRsU?si=VYj2a8mVeuo_U8EQ
>>
>>58738003
I swear Johto was hamstrung because of merchandising purposes. Some Pokemon weren’t allowed to evolve because they wanted to sell plushies of them.
>>
File: maxresdefault.jpg (241 KB, 1280x720)
241 KB
241 KB JPG
>>58740291
>no "fateful encounter" bullshit
Ok.

>>58740295
It did work in gen 1. In gen 2 you saw them on the box but most people skipped over them and didn't care.
>>
>>58740337
>ok
you have to find and catch the dogs roaming around, they didn't just hand you them.
>>
>>58740319
the anime was compromised with togepi sucking out misty's personality
>>
>>58740337
they skipped over them because roamers fucking suck to find
>>
>>58740294
What evidece are you using then? Journalist reviews? Youtuber opinions? Twitter likes?
>inb4 /v/
>>
>>58740378
r/pokemon upvotes
>>
>>58740378
general consensus literally everywhere
>>
>>58740394
The entire terminally online community is a bubble.
>>
>>58740399
it may surprise you that some of us have friends in the real world who share our interests
>>
>>58740403
>you have friends that are 5-12 years old
lock him up
>>
>>58740414
what's with this 5-12 range you keep bringing up? is that the age range you're into?
>>
>>58740403
And you think Game Freak cares about your tiny friend group in their mid 30s?

>>58740422
Guess what Pokemon's target audience is. Spoiler, it's not 35 year olds.
>>
>>58740428
yes, that's why we still get kanto pandering
>>
>>58740432
couldn't have said it better myself
>>
>>58740428
>you think Game Freak cares about your tiny friend group in their mid 30s
they are the main audience for the overpriced merch on the pokemon center site
oh no the $60 games suck... anyway i'm buying another $40 pikachu plush and some card packs to scalp
>>
>>58740432
>>58740438
You are retarded.

>>58740440 gets it. The games are aimed towards children and a vessel to sell merch. And oh boy do you faggots shell the fuck out for plushies.
>>
>>58740445
so the games since gen 6 didn't pander to kanto?
>>
>>58740451
The games since gen 2 pandered to Kanto
>>
>>58740454
gen 3 pandered to kanto?
In what way
>>
>>58740445
i wanted to check pokecen jp one time and there was a 30 minute queue for some collab with sleepwear that just released. everything went out of stock except for some towels. shit like $200 sold out.

>>58740460
gee whiz what games were remade in gen 3 again
>>
>>58740472
>$200
$200 pajamas
>>
>>58740472
>remakes are pandering
well aren't you disingenuous
okay, gen 4
>>
>>58740479
>gen 4 out of nowhere
concession accepted
>>
>>58740479
gee golly what games were remade in gen 4 with who's backyard again..........
>>
>>58740479
How are remakes disingenuous? It's pandering to the max, especially when RB and FRLG are less than 10 years apart.

Kanto pandering isn't necessarily a bad thing, every game does it.
>>
>>58740498
they only say gen 6 because they blatantly copy pasted shit like santalune forest and the snorlax blockade in the new region
>>
>>58740486
Johto's backyard. Kanto is Johto's backyard.
That's why it's only fun whenever Johto is there
>>
>>58740498
A remake isn't the same thing as pandering to gen 1
Pikachu is locked to being rare in the safari zone and you can't even catch most gen 1/2 pokemon in RSE

Hell lets not forget when BW came out and every single normie cried that they couldn't use their KANTO mon until post game.
Gen 6 pushing gen one nostalgia was a direct response to that backlash
>>
>>58740511
>zoomer revisionism
Sad
>>
>>58740517
Gen alpha revisionism
>>
>>58740517
sux2sux kanturd
johtoCHADS own you
>>
>>58740526
Kek stay jealous johturd
Only the original 151 exist
>>
>>58740531
*251
sorry I made a typo
>>
>>58740526
Kanto doesn't have the Toilet or Typedo so they automatically win.
>>
>>58740542
Kanto doesn't have meGODnium so it automatically loses
>>
>>58740532
Sorry I was right before, there's nothing original about 152 onwards

>>58740547
>Johto has the original girly tranny dinosaur
Sorry you lost
>>
>>58740557
>tranny projection
love to see it
>>
>>58740547
>fisher price toy is suddenly good now
trying too hard
>>
>>58740562
but enough about pikachu and eevee from KANTOOOOOOOOO
>>
File: IMG_3652.jpg (993 KB, 1290x2079)
993 KB
993 KB JPG
>>58740557
>tranny
This is canon.
>>
>>58740569
>explicitly states that xhe picked typedo
kekking
>>
File: UyJaJVohb6_1500x.jpg (50 KB, 1000x1000)
50 KB
50 KB JPG
>>58740567
those are based on animals not a toddler's toy
>>
File: Meganium.jpg (11 KB, 260x240)
11 KB
11 KB JPG
>>58740579
>implying this looks like this
>>
>>58740581
fucking gay ass dinosaur kek
give me venuCHAD any day
>>
i love charizard so much
>>
>>58740591
venusaur is a literal ugly bastard mon KEEEEK
>>
>>58740581
They really wanted little girls to play Pokemon with this piece of shit. Were GS the original DEI games?
>>
>>58740595
>no ugly bastard venusaur fucking a poor little chikorita doujin
get on it fellas
>>
>>58740602
>t. insecure faggot
>>
>>58740595
>the pocket MONSTER looks like a MONSTER not a child's toy
venuGODS stay winning
>>
File: IMG_3651.jpg (733 KB, 1290x2436)
733 KB
733 KB JPG
>>58740608
>t. ranny
>>
>>58740569
>>58740617
>gen 2 is le tranny game
you're trying too hard again
>>
>>58740610
>implying the literal plant dinosaur isn't a monster
lmao ok
>>
File: IMG_3650.jpg (497 KB, 1290x2231)
497 KB
497 KB JPG
>>58740620
i don't have to try hard when these are all a google search away
>>
>>58740617
lmao i started with ruby and play johto through hgss
what now faggot
>>
>>58740627
>notice large amount of female players like your games
>let them play as their own gender
>LOL IT'S A TRANNY GAME NOW
yes you're trying too hard
>>
>>58740621
It looks like a plastic dinosaur toy for babies you'd find in a Walmart discount bin.
>>
File: IMG_3858.jpg (321 KB, 1290x2235)
321 KB
321 KB JPG
>>58740635
yes it's the DEI game thanks for conceding
>>
>>58740637
you seem to know a lot about toys for toddlers, do you perhaps play with them frequently
>>
>>58740642
>game asks if you're a boy or a girl, providing only those two options
I dunno, sounds pretty based to me
>>
File: 1691454042052.png (3.4 MB, 3928x1152)
3.4 MB
3.4 MB PNG
>>58740648
>ad hominem
Really got me there. Tell me again how Meganium and gen 2 isn't babyfied garbage for little girls.
>>
>>58740662
your next line is "scizor is totally a babby toy"
>>
File: file.png (104 KB, 360x392)
104 KB
104 KB PNG
>>58740662
>>
I can't believe how progressive Johto fans are! We at Reddit welcome you with open arms.
>>
File: Dragonite.png (99 KB, 278x359)
99 KB
99 KB PNG
>>58740676
lmao compare this to kanto's equivalent and the meme really falls apart
>>
>>58740674
yep
>>
>>58740687
>merchandise of this pokemon exists which means it's for babbies
the absolute state of anti-johtofags
>>
>>58740685
Gen 2 games made Dragonite look like Barney. His Gen 1 in-game sprites look monstrous or like he'd fuck you up.
>>
>>58740676
nice kantomon

>>58740691
no adult is buying this lol
>>
>>58740694
Absolutely not.
>>
File: dragonite-gen1.jpg (39 KB, 319x400)
39 KB
39 KB JPG
>>58740694
>gen 2 did it even though official artwork from gen 1 looks like this
>>58740697
you think you're being clever but mt silver is in johto
>>
>>58740697
>nice kantomon
It is sad how all the cool Johtomons are in Kanto.
>tyranitar
>houndoom
>easier to get a metal coat in Kanto for scizor
>porygon2
>sneasel
>>
>>58740698
absolutely
>>
>>58740694
Dragonite always looked like a yellow Barney with wings, you disingenuine faggot.
>>
>>58740715
Oh no no no Johtokeks
>>
>>58740714
>tyranitar, sneasel
mt silver is in johto, also sneasel is available in the ice path in crystal
>scizor
"easier" doesn't mean it's impossible in johto
>houndoom, porygon2
fair
>>
>>58740715
>original had Dragonite look cute and endearing despite his power
>international version gave him a mean scowl because the west can't handle something being both cute and badass
what did he mean with this?
>>
>>58740715
>that yellow sprite
barney.
>>
>>58740715
>That
>"Badass"
Maybe if you're 2 years old. And besides, the official art looked like >>58740707 which just means that Gen 2 did a better job making Dragonite look like he's supposed to.
>>
>>58740715
>Dragonite has the gen 2 :) I'm so cute face
Ruined
>>
File: 1664571810652.png (1.47 MB, 2000x2000)
1.47 MB
1.47 MB PNG
.
>>
File: images.png (3 KB, 300x300)
3 KB
3 KB PNG
>>58740728
Gen 1 in general had a lot of off-model sprites. Gen 2 was the first to accurately represent how the Pokemon were always supposed to look
>>
>>58740737
are arm nubs a bad thing?
>>
>>58740726
Yellow looks like he's gonna beat the shit out of you. GS is like please give me a hug and hold my hand ^_^
>>
>>58740747
yellow looks like he's about to sing about friendship
>>
>>58740747
>Yellow looks like he's gonna beat the shit out of you.
do you have some childhood trauma involving barney or something
>>
>>58740746
not for baby girls like you
>>
>>58740755
are you implying arm nubs are baby girl coded?
>>
>>58740754
it's a common interpretation
if you didn't troll gen 2 threads all day you'd know
>>
>>58740755
stop trying to convince people that they're girls
no one is falling for your tranny agenda
>>
>>58740737
8)

>>58740745
Another reason why gen 1 is the best
>>
>>58740768
They did it to themselves after playing Crystal
>>
>>58740769
>Spritework so incompetent it misrepresents the Pokemon completely
>"Another reason why gen 1 is the best"
Actual retardation.
>>
>>58740768
Funny, it's the only real evidence posted about gen 2 and you're deflecting it.
>>
>>58740783
>my pic is totally evidence
you're trying too hard
>>
>>58740777
>the sprites should be soulless cute dogshit not actual monsters
>>
>>58740791
>EVERY POKEMON HAS TO BE DESINGED FOR BOYS
go play digimon then you faggot
>>
>>58740787
I googled pokemon crystal trans and they all came up. Try harder.
>>
>>58740791
>those beady little eyes
>>
>>58740796
>he just keeps going
claiming letting you choose a girl character as a trans thing is indeed trying too hard.
>>
>>58740795
>let's keep adding babies and cute dogshit like >>58740737 then go back one gen later
no one is falling for your DEI slop fag
>>
File: 250px-0300Skitty.png (41 KB, 250x250)
41 KB
41 KB PNG
>>58740805
>then go back one gen later
>>
File: file.png (12 KB, 96x95)
12 KB
12 KB PNG
>>58740791
The Gen 2 sprites look more like the actual art, you retard. You know, what they're actually SUPPOSED to look like.
Also
>complaining about "soulless cute dogshit" when half the Gen 1 sprites looked like this
>>
>>58740810
Keep picking those cherries
You just said to go back to Digimon so you know you're being disingenuous
>>
>>58740823
>You just said to go back to Digimon
Different anon
>>
>>58740816
Soul. Then gen 2 gave us Igglyshit.
>>
>>58740826
>looking like shit = sovl!!!
>>
>>58740828
>the sprite artists made their own interpretation, not copying someone else's work
Unironically yes.
>>
File: file.png (128 KB, 360x332)
128 KB
128 KB PNG
>>58740832
>Their own interpretation
They just couldn't draw for shit. Wigglytuff was supposed to look like this, not a crackhead.
>>
File: 092old.png (11 KB, 300x300)
11 KB
11 KB PNG
>>58740816
I will say though, I do quite like the classic "formless" Gastly. I would genuinely say I prefer it over the standardized design.
>>
>>58740837
>supposed to
The game makes it look like a monster. In the pocket monsters franchise.
>>
>>58740837
it's common for games back then to look nothing like the promotional artwork
>>
>>58740845
No, it just makes it look like a rendition of the artwork that was drawn by a retard. It doesn't even look edgy or anything, just stupid.
>>
>>58740845
it looks like the actual design if you content-aware scaled it
>>
>>58740850
Thank goodness we've moved on.
>>
>>58740851
It looks like a bug eyed rabbit creature about to slap your shit.
>>
>>58740857
>It looks like a bug eyed rabbit creature about to shit itself
FTFY.
>>
>>58740860
>It looks like a bug eyed rabbit creature about to slap your shit.
FTFY.
>>
>>58740862
Parroting is an admission of defeat.
>>
>>58740864
I parroted myself because you made an incorrect claim.
>>
>>58740850
That is true, but it wasn't universal. I can think of a good few games that represented the character designs incredibly well even back then (mega man immediately comes to mind)
>>58740857
If the exact same sprite was used in gen 2 you'd be singing a different song
>>
>>58740867
No, I didn't. Gen 1 Wigglytuff's sprite looks fucking awful. You are a retard.
>>
>>58740871
It's soulful. You are a retard and drank too much Johto koolaid.
>>
>>58740874
Explain what "soulful" means in this context, and how Gen 1 Wigglytuff's sprite meets these criteria.
>>
>>58740877
I already did. And they made it look more monstrous.
>>58740832
Your response was subjective and unfounded.
>>
>>58740868
>That is true, but it wasn't universal. I can think of a good few games that represented the character designs incredibly well even back then (mega man immediately comes to mind)
Continuing this thought, usually whenever this WAS the case, it was due to character designs too complicated for their hardware (a lot of JRPGs fell victim to this)
Pokemon is not one of these cases. It would not have been difficult to simply move the skull and crossbones under Koffing's face. It would not be difficult to give Pinsir its Toriyama-style eyes. Hell, Pokemon Yellow corrected the off-model sprites for the most part, proving that it was not a hardware issue. GSC also used on-model sprites, and when you really get down to it the graphical capabilities of the GBC are pretty much just "what if the gameboy had color?"
>>
>>58740884
>I already did.
No you didn't.
>And they made it look more monstrous.
Which is the opposite of the point of Wigglytuff, who was always supposed to be a cutemon.
>>
I prefer gen 2 sprites but I like how rough the RBGY sprites looked. It felt like a different franchise compared to today.
>>
>>58740884
Brother, it looks like a reject Furby.
>>
>>58740901
>No you didn't.
Sorry you can't read.
>was always supposed to be a cutemon
It pulls off both, like what a good cute Pokemon design should be.

>>58740907
Any Pokemon design can be boiled down to sound stupid. Not an argument.
>>
>[region]mon
Pokémon are native to whereever they pop up. In theory, there is no reason a new gen Pokémon couldnt be exclusively native to a previously established region. We find new things in old places all the time. Putting aside the idiocy of throwing this terminology around when Kanto and Johto are presented as sister regions who are distinct in their own ways but who share things, the only time the series departs from blending the old and new is BW. And whether you enjoyed it or not, that was just a gimmick to recreate the feel of the first Gen but made no sense on its head and was abandoned in B2W2. Region variants and evos are the closest thing to [region]mon.
>>
>>58740904
Honestly based. I love arguing online as much as the next guy but sometimes I wish we could all just get along over our mutual love of Pokemon
Back in the olden days of /vp/ someone made a parody of What a Wonderful World, and these particular lines really spoke to me
>All the different generations each bring something to the game
>They've all got good and bad points, but we love 'em just the same
>I see trips and anons all getting along
>'Cause there's no need to argue when neither one's wrong
Granted, this was back when every gen had at least some merit to it
>>
>>58740924
they're defined as the region of the game they were introduced in, schizo
>>
>>58740924
I don't care what retarded cope you faggots come up with, the fact is most Pokemon introduced in Gen 2 are dumb ugly shitmons, found incredibly late to the point they're not worth using, behind tedious gimmicks, and they're grossly under represented in NPC teams.
>>
>>58740933
No they're not, autist. They're divided by gen outside the games. In game, theyre native to wherever the fuck they show up.
>>
>>58740942
>the fact is most Pokemon introduced in Gen 2 are dumb ugly shitmons
opinion
>found incredibly late to the point they're not worth using
I think there's like 4 or 5 johto mon locked behind kanto
>behind tedious gimmicks
I love the gimmicks
>and they're grossly under represented in NPC teams.
new and elusive johto. The pokemon introduced were newly discovered or rare for the most part
>>
>>58740942
You can't cope that your "arguments' are just shit takes that don't hold water. No one cares about your personal gripes.
>>
>>58740950
>opinion
not an opinion
>locked behind kanto
happens earlier than that
>i love tedious gimmicks
we know you're unemployed
>new and elusive
so rare the kanto gym leaders use more johtomons than the johto gym leaders do
>>
>>58740961
>not an opinion
you're trying too hard
>>
>>58740958
>NUH UH
Post discarded
>>
>>58740958
>just shit takes
No that'd be the low IQ faggot that typed this dumb gibberish >>58740924 because he has to find any excuse to deflect from his childhood slop being criticized
>>
>>58740963
me when i concede
>>
>>58740933
...from gen 3 onward
gen 3 was the gen that established the blueprint for the future of the franchise, starting traditions like each gen having its own pikaclone and fossilmon, each region being more or less defined by its new pokemon, and so on
johto was before this design philosophy, designed as a "sister region" to kanto as that other anon put it, thus its dex is the classic 151 + a hundred new guys, some of which can also be found in kanto
whether this is a good or a bad thing is up to personal preference, but it is important to realize that the formula was not established yet
>>
>>58740964
>green meme
You lost
>>
johturds still have no idea what a skarmory looks like
>>
>>58740970
pleaser explain how gen 2 pokemon are ugly shitmons objectively
>>
>>58740974
what's with this meme anyway, slugma i understand but skarmory? it's just a version exclusive like any other
>>
>>58740975
The designers had to compromise the new Pokemon designs to cater to merch makers and animators. That objectively makes them worse.
>>
>>58740966
You're just crying because you got btfo, you little bitch.
>>
>>58740970
Wow, I didn't expect you to just straight up say it. Alright then, concession accepted. Props for knowing when to give up
>>
Notice how when gen 2 faggots have no argument they start throwing insults and bark like little lap dogs.
>>
File: facts and opinions.png (403 KB, 1331x389)
403 KB
403 KB PNG
>>58740980
>The designers had to compromise the new Pokemon designs to cater to merch makers and animators.
when did they do this?
>That objectively makes them worse.
no that's still an opinion since people might like the finished product more.
>>
>>58740991
>he says while throwing insults and barking like a little lap dog
you can't make this shit up
>>
>>58740991
you know people can scroll up and see you calling gen 2 tranny and dei slop
>>
Notice how the haters has to desperately appeal to an non-existent audience because he's getting raped like a prison bitch.
>>
>>58740994
>“In your previous interview at the time of Gold & Silver (February 2000 issue), you said when you were designing Pokemon, you had to consider merchandising, and that created some constraints.”

>Sugimori: “Rather than constraints, I’d say we were careful about a lot of things. Like we’d say ‘if we don’t make a Pokemon this way, they’ll be difficult to animate in the TV show.’ We didn’t really think about those kinds of things this time, which might be bad for the anime staff and independent artists.”

No, it's objectively worse. Just because you're a contrarian tranny girl doesn't mean it's better.
>>
File: opinion.png (106 KB, 734x916)
106 KB
106 KB PNG
>>58741005
you're trying too hard
>>
>>58740997
>deflecting
Crazy shit.

>>58741000
Not me. But posting articles is better than "doesn't apply to me"
>>
>>58741005
constraints breed creativity resulting in a better end product
wow I refuted your objective fact
>>
>>58741010
>post evidence
>continue parroting like a broken robot
Concession accepted.
>>
>>58741011
both sides have been flinging insults this whole time, that's how /vp/ works. everyone can scroll up and see the kantykes doing the exact same shit
>>
File: facts.png (132 KB, 683x889)
132 KB
132 KB PNG
>>58741018
have you considered that you're just trying too hard?
You're literally arguing that opinions are facts
>>
>doesn't apply to me so you're wrong
the johtod argument
>>
>>58741036
>You're wrong and trying far too hard. Look at basically any popularity poll and Johto designs always lose.
Skamory
Tyranitar
Scizor
Steelix
Luigia
Heracross
Umbreon/Espeon

Damn those are all low on the popularity polls, they never pop up on favorite lists
>>
>>58741046
None of these designs will ever top the list. Fucking Kalos has won before.
>>
>>58741036
this entire argument was started by kantyke shitflinging KEK
>You're wrong and trying far too hard. Look at basically any popularity poll and Johto designs always lose.
umbreon, lugia, and houndoom are consistently some of the most expensive and sought after cards in any given set
do with that info what you will
>>
>>58741050
charizard mogs
>>
>>58741053
>moving the goalpost
lol
lmao even
>>
>>58741053
yeah i mean fair enough it's pretty hard to compete with charizard in terms of popularity
>>
>>58741053
Gengar, Eevee, Pikachu mog
>>
>>58741061
umbreon is more popular than eevee itself at this point though
>>
>>58741061
Snorlax
>>
>>58741065
nah snorlax is pretty washed as far as shillmon status goes
>>
>>58741050
presenting and refuting an argument is not shitflinging
throwing a tantrum about trying too hard like on /vr/ is pathetic shitflinging
>>
Kanto chads keep btfo'ing us Johtoddlers...
>>
>>58741002
yeah, he did this in the /vr/ thread
>>
>>58741077
>still seething
stop trying so hard bro
>>
>>58741061
Arcanine and Bulbasaur are up there. Fucking Skarmory and Steelix lol
>>
>>58741079
Different guy. I'm not the "trying too hard" guy
>>
>>58741046
Johto is like 5 popular designs and everything else is forgettable dogshit as bad as Seel
>>
>>58741091
talking about the anon who's obsessed with hating on johto
>>
>>58741087
Yeah steelix is a questionable choice for that list, even more questionable is omitting houndour
>>58741094
my mistake, I was confused because you replied to me
i only really go to /vr/ for snes related threads
>>
>>58741002
Notice how zoomzooms reuse the 2010 HGSS opinion and apply it to GSC, then pretend like they're 34 and grew up with it.
>>
>>58741099
what probably happened is
>there was mixed reception of gen 2 online like with every fucking game
>the haters moved on soon after crystal
>old school forums and sites they posted on disappear
>serebii and gamefaqs shuffle around boards and deleted old threads
>only the autists still keeping up with pokeshit 10 years later are still around
>>
>>58741099
I've noticed the opposite from zoomers, citing issues with GSC that do not apply to HGSS, and then claiming HGSS did not fix them
I'm pretty openly an HGSSfag, I have played GSC and I liked it a lot but I prefer HGSS
>>
>>58741113
Last time we had this "discussion" most people played GS on the monochrome Game Boy, but everyone remembers the dark night colors from the GBC in their childhood when they were from an emulator. Smells like bullshit to me.
>>
>>58741129
> most people played GS on the monochrome Game Boy
would explain why Crystal sold so badly, it was locked to GBC while everyother game could be played on a 1980s device for cheap
>>
>>58741129
I own Crystal physically, I could show you if you like.
Granted, I played it as an adult on an SP, so make of that what you will
>>
>>58741135
It was like a $10-20 difference in price and the GB was far harder to come across during gen 2's release. Everyone was using a GBC.
>>
>>58741135
this larping retard definitely wasn't there
>>
>>58741141
everyone already owned a gameboy and a lot didn't upgrade for a single pokemon game that came out around the same time GBA was coming out

Yes the GBC cost about the same, but those kids already owned a GB
>>
>>58741144
>a lot didn't upgrade for a single pokemon game
No, everyone was playing on a GBC well into gen 1. There is hardly any documented evidence of gen 2 being played on a GB.
>>
>>58741129
>>58741148
>>58741143
So did people play pokmeon on the GB or GBC
>>
>>58741150
idk i wasn't there
>>
>>58741150
gbc
>>
>>58741169
So this post >>58741129 is full of shit
>>
>>58741174
yes the johtofags were full of shit
>>
>>58741182
>post implies johto fans are zoomers using emulators
>gets called out
>doubles down
chill out anon



[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.