A thread for the creation and discussion of fan fiction and other fanworks - anything that involves a story and/or reading. What've you been reading? What've you been writing? What would you like to see more of?>Thread question:Funniest moment from a fic you read, intentional or unintentional?>Previous thread:>>58856197
>>58864806It’s weird that this guys has a canon genderswap version of him yet nobody has ever drawn them together.
>>58864797>Even more sloppa repliesSkippa skippa.Pick a pen.
I had a funny idea of a catholic priest being isekai’d into the pokemon world, but I wonder if that would incur fury from the community.
>>58864853brother I'm not using ai to make posts. you're paranoid or taking what I said way too literally.
>>58864855make it a jew and have them cheat at everything and claim to be the victim. Their tragic backstory is there mum died in the holly
When I was probably single digit age I had an idea for a fanfic I started writing/drawing>Ash battling Team Rocket>Jessie's Arbok uses Poison Sting>Pikachu dodged, but it kept going and hits Ash>Ash gets poisoned and heads to hospital and is unconscious >Jessie wanted by Team Rocket HQ for bringing in unneeded heat (only pokemon crimes not human crimes)Never finished it
>>58864825I always find it weird when people call the PLA ancestors gender swaps. Its like calling Bakugo's mom from MHA a gender swap.
>>58864855What community? Catholics? You're worried the catholics are going to get upset about your pokemon fanfiction? I think you're safe buddy.
>>58864904No one means it literally, retard. No shit it is a different person.
>>58864907You'd be surprised. There are people who think Akari is Dawn.
>>58864908That's a completely different matter though?
>>58864910They're both mirrors in PLA. The only thing missing is the gender swap bit.
>>58864911>It's the same... if you ignore the differences that don't make it the same!You're just retarded.
>>58864806I haven't read any fanfiction except what gets posted in this thread so it's not a very big pool. But from IMO when the villains are making an escape after kidnapping a girl and one of the grunts (Lenny I believe) goes 'Boss, I brought the rock she threw at me!' and Celat just inexplicably goes 'Great, good job!' and tosses the rock onto the helicopter with them is just such a bizarre action and reaction that I can't help but chuckle when I think about it.
>>58864907Look, as a connoisseur of gender swaps I hold these things to a certain standard.
>>58861973this is easily solved by having tournaments follow the in-game online battle "no special pokemon restrictions"you'd simply not be allowed to bring fug into the tournament
>>58864544That's because the Untied State spits in the face of Shintoism.
I missed this kind of schizo hour, bros.
>>58864958It's better solved by making real capital L Legendaries so out of people's reach that it just doesn't come up. If someone was strong enough to get one they'd be champion anyways, and if they wanted to stomp a little league tournament then who the hell's gonna tell them no?
>>58864973uh, the organizers?nobody would let a chess champion or whatever they're calling themselves now actually compete in a youth/beginner tourneymaybe as a part of the prize in a "win to face off against [XYZ]!" sort of deal
>>58864973>making real capital L Legendaries so out of people's reach that it just doesn't come up.Wouldn't that affect the plot? Like there's no way evil teams would get to use them without dying really fucking fast like in that Generations short
>>58864980>uh, the organizers?"Giratina, void the organizer's balls. Darkrai, put the organizer into an unending nightmare until he changes his mind."
>>58864973It's why I find those things where Tobias is somehow a "cheater" to be really silly. I've seen some stuff where they even get him arrested. How they arrest him when he's got a Darkrai that swept the entire region? Don't ask lol.My favorites are the ones where using legendaries is "illegal" but somehow no one ever did anything until 3/4 into the league.My dude, he's got a fucking Darkrai and Latios. And they both obey him faithfully. He's very obviously someone of very strong character and considered worthy of ownership because of how autistic legendaries are about being caught and who owns them and who they hang out with.And even if they are not befriend captures but actual fight captures then that just means Tobias has other Pokemon that are strong enough to fight with and defeat those two.All the butthurt and cope about Tobias is hilarious, like, sure, we all know he was made-up last minute with zero thought just to cockblock Ash, because every single way you try to look at it under the same logic the anime uses, Tobias is a real nigga who earned everything to his name completely fair and square.
>>58864973Hence what >>58863658 Said; Legendaries like Any one of Arceus' immediate Children can't be caught because that would spit in the face of nature if they do; the whole point of Pokémon is harmony between Men and Nature.>>58863974There was a thread a while back claiming that Celebi isn't meant to Time Travel on their own, but an indication of the union between Men and Nature in the near future, and will continue to appear as long as that future is secured. Otherwise, Celebi might have Time manipulation powers that turns a creak into large forest at best, or turn a man into a geezer at worst.
>>58864980Yeah because chess champions can't throw a murderbeast that controls the laws at physics at you if you tell them no.Who's gonna say no to the dude whose Celebi loves him so much it would happily send you back into prehistory because you offended him?
>>58864984>Wouldn't that affect the plot? Like there's no way evil teams would get to use them without dying really fucking fast like in that Generations shortWell, it's canon that that's what typically happens. For every Rainbow Rocket Giovanni, there are Archies and Maxies who got themselves and everyone around them killed because they thought legendaries were easy to control.Cyrus is like the only dude who recognized he had to use supernatural means to have a chance of controlling a legendary. Which is probably why he's the only RR member who got what he wanted, lol.
>>58864989>>58864997If your character would murder tournament organizers for not allowing his entry why even bother trying to enter at all instead of just waiting until all the chaff filters out and killing the finalists' opponent if they're all chaff why bother with the tournament structure at all instead of just going on a rampage and slaughtering everyoneIt's just an unreasonable scenario, in my opinion
>>58865002RR Cyrus got cockblocked by Giratina actually.>>58865003Love of the game.
>>58864990>t's why I find those things where Tobias is somehow a "cheater" to be really sillyTo be fair, Tobias is a writer's crutch; they're unsure weither or not to retire Ash at the Time, and It wasn't until Journeys that he was written out so that they can tell original stories with Horizons.
>>58865003>why even bother trying to enter at allBattle fanatics who don't care if they're punching down and assholes who enjoy punching down.
>>58865006That's fair>>58865009Easier to just bully kids on route 1, wouldn't have to jump through any hoops
>>58864984Those usually don't show up until they're needed, and they're still revered as guardians or such.
>>58865008I know. I mentioned that, while also explaining how Tobias works within the worldview the anime has set despite that.Only times I've seen butthurt against Tobias work is on legendaries OP don't touch stories where he trying to fuck with a Darkrai and becoming mindbroken is used as a cautionary tale.
>>58864997Reminder that Tobias relied more or less solely on the sheer power of his Pokemon, and despite the impossible power gap Ash still took out several of his mons off being the more creative trainer. And once he went up against an actual elite like Cynthia, Tobias lost.For Pokemon battling, strength is a lot, but it's NOT everything.
>>58865013You don't get notoriety and (in)famous that way.Bullying kids could be easier, yes, but cockblocking and ruining the dreams of someone who had genuine real potential to be a top-tier had you not been there being asshole is way better.What defeat causes more butthurt? Ash losing to Tobias cucking him out of the League? Or Ash losing a random match against a random Trainer? Same principle there.
>>58865013Yeah but bullying kids on route 1 isn't as public as a tournament and neither does it rob others of a meaningful victory like a tournament would. Oh, you needed to place well in the tournament to get a sponsor? Too bad, Mr Asshole showed up and he crushed your potential for sponsorship in match 1.
>>58865021>And once he went up against an actual elite like Cynthia, Tobias lost.Tobias won the world Championship and retired immediately after as lone traveler; simple as that. He never appeared in the Anime ever again.
>>58865021This brings up a relevant question, how do you think Tobias vs Cynthia went?I've always leaned towards believing she absolutely dogwalked him.
>>58865021Oh no it only took the strongest Champion ever to defeat Tobias! It's over for him! How will he ever recover!?>and despite the impossible power gap Ash still took out several of his mons off being the more creative trainer.You should re-watch Ash vs Tobias because that's not what happened at all. Hell, the most creative thing, the fucking Sleep Talk Guts Megahorn, did NOTHING.Ash won that one like he always wins everything: His Pokemon tanking a million hits while his enemy Pokemon drop after getting one-touched.
>>58865039>Ash wonMy bad, I meant to say Ash beat those two Tobias Pokemon in specific.
>>58865002>Which is probably why he's the only RR member who got what he wanted, lol.All of the other Members got rescued by Aether's Simp. Giovanni's the only person who got what he wanted with no repercussions and continues on to form Go Rocket after the whole ordeal.
>>58865021>Reminder that Tobias relied more or less solely on the sheer power of his Pokemontbf that's something he and Ash have in common. If something's weak enough to brute force then that's what they'll do. And-- the other anon got in before me. Ash was also using brute force to solve a lot of his problems in the Sinnoh League.
>>58865021Found the butthurt Ash self-inserter.
>>58865039>it only took the strongest Champion ever to defeat Tobias! But he didn't lose to Leon though?
>>58865039>You should re-watch Ash vs TobiasI never watch the same dog shit twice.
How do you do a tournament arc well? Are there any examples I can reference?
>>58865041RR Giovanni is at Mastersex actually.
Fanfiction?
>>58865045The entire fandom quietly forming a consensus to reject Leon shilling in any medium gives me hope.
>>58865049No, IIRC, the RR arc is a prelude to the introduction of TGR in Pokémon Go.
>>58865048Read the Tenkaichi Budokai arcs.>>58865051It's funny when you consider how even the Leonfag ladies don't give a shit and if anything even HATE how they kept forcing that shtick with him.Only anti-Cynthia schizos seem to agree with GF's forced shilling which just adds to the point at how retarded you must be to actually like it.
>>58865045>shows up>jobs in the one fight he was groomed to win>jobs to a child>hailed as the strongest trainerhow does gamefreak cook like this
>>58865053Well, I play Mastersex, and you're wrong.
>>58865058To this day I'm thoroughly convinced that Leon's is someone at GF who finally reached a high enough position of power to influence things OC/SI character. Everything about him, including his ridiculous push, that somehow continues to this day, screams of OC donut steel. Probably Ohmori.My most schizo theory is that Charizard was given to Leon not to shill Charizard but to shill Leon.
>>58865050This discussion helps with perspective for writing legendaries and some lore.As for the Leon hating, we can have it as a treat.
>>58865058The whole Point is that Rose Set him up to be the World Champion Just for Clout, the same way Ghetsis set N up to be a Puppet King for his own ambitions. ShoPro have to make Leon Ash's final opponent since he's the Champion for SwSh att.
>>58864989>Villain who succeeds in capturing one of the big legendary pokemon>Only uses it to enter Little Cup tournaments to make children cry>Nobody can stop him from bullying the kidsSometimes evil just wants to be petty.
>>58865088Hate to bring this up, but wasn't Zirca's RP a cautionary tale of prioritizing strength over bounds; especially when it comes to Pokemon Battling?
>>58865079That's the problem though. Leon has never, not once, been portrayed like that. He's been played completely and absolutely straight ever since he was revealed.I still remember how everything about him was so stupidly on the nose that everyone, EVERYONE, thought there was supposed to be a twist with him, something, anything. Rigged matched. He was a cunt behing the curtain. Except no. What we saw is what it was. Leon is the most le strongest and the most wholesome big chungus out there in the whole wide world that everyone loves.It's fucking retarded and clashes has with everything that came before and even after it which is why there's so many people who don't like it no matter how much GF keeps trying to shove it down our throats because they're butthurt he didn't catch on as much as they wanted him to be.
>>58865033>Ash got so mindbroken by Tobias he decided to do the same Hilarous, shame there are no stories about hobo Ash
>>58865075I think it did right up until it turned into "If I had legendaries I would be the evileriest" and power scaling anime characters
>>58865102Once again, ShoPro have to use him as the final opponent as Gen 8 will be Ash's final appearance before being sent off to parts unknown. As far as GF's concerned, Leon's only the Champion of Galar and nowhere else.
>>58865108>Hilarous, shame there are no stories about hobo AshIt would be like Ryu of Street Fighter, coming out of the blue, looking for opponents, and either befriending new rivals or saving the day before he fucks off to someplace else.
>>58865102>everyone, EVERYONE, thought there was supposed to be a twist with him, something, anything. Rigged matched. He was a cunt behing the curtain.>Doubt.png I refuse to believe Pokémon fans thought that far, everyone knows we have no standards
>>58865110It's definitely turned into a tangent by now. But this is 4chan so whatever.
>>58865102>Leon has never, not once, been portrayed like that.Leon is straight, It's Rose that's an asshole there. I think KingK video on the game paint that he did all of this so that he can outshine his own brother in the history books, especially since he lost to him in the League in the past.
>>58865048YuYu Hakusho's Dark Tournament is THE tournament arc, with only Dragon Ball able to compete for the crown. But what did these anime do right, and what can pokemon fanfictions learn from them?
>>58865112Leon being the final boss because of timing is one thing. Leon being the most OP motherfucker strongest trainer in the world ever who no diffs everyone where everyone got used as props to wank him is another. Him being lucky enough to be the Champion in the generation Ash fucked off didn't merit that treatment. They could have easily made things balanced but they did not.Be honest here now. You really think they would have done that had it been Gen 5 or Gen 6 when Ash fucked off? That they really would have made everyone else go through humiliation rituals to wank Alder or Diantha? Get real. >As far as GF's concerned, Leon's only the Champion of Galar and nowhere else.Totally. That's why he got mentioned even more than the actual Champion from Kalos in the base game of ZA.That's why things like Mastersex keep the wank going and even has him beating Red who somehow gets wanked even harder than Leon does as the strongest trainer ever in history.Totally a coincidence.Get real, nigga.>>58865116You can go through the archives, man.It was easily one of the most popular theories. Another very popular theory back then was how Marnie was secretly a Galarian Princess on the run in disguise. I always liked that one which made it so disappointing when Marnie turned out to be such a non-character.
>>58865098What the fuck is Zirca's RP?
>>58865132nta but I'm gonna post the only Zirca I know because it's an example of what all SIOCs should strive for
>>58865132Kino
>>58865132>What the fuck is Zirca's RP?Look up the Grimverse in the archives: Better yet, ask them: >>58814736
>>58865133AKA, the man who wants to kill Leon.
>>58865133My self insert would beat him easily btw
>>58865130Mate, this is the only thing you need to know why Leon is shilled that hardhttps://arch-img.b4k.dev/vp/1742862515702.png
>>58865143So, Charizard, then.
>>58865133Oh, that guy. I've seen these pics around lmao.
>>58865048If you're willing to commit to a full tournament story Kengan Asura is the best in the business. If you ask me a cast of well-defined characters to bounce off each other is the moneymaker.If you're willing to go /pw/, Survivor Series 98. A bunch of sleight-of-hand that ends with a twist that comes out of nowhere but still makes perfect sense in hindsight.>>58865129It's been a while since I've read it, but I remember liking how much time Team Urameshi spent on the back foot. A lot of the fights were colored by whatever restriction or problem they were facing, and it helped it feel like one cohesive narrative than a bunch of disconnected fights.
For those interested in worldbuildinghttps://web.archive.org/web/20121127174918/http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/11/23/pok-233-mon-39-s-burning-questions.aspx>Is everyone in the world of Pokémon a vegetarian? Do people eat Pokémon? When they are eating steak are they eating a Tauros?>Masuda: There’s a lot of fruits and vegetables in the world of Pokémon. There is also a variety of snacks and various candies and whatnot that come from the different regions. The Pokémon world is much more technologically advanced than the world of our own, so perhaps there is probably a lot of different food that we can’t even think of.>One example of that is there is even a Rare candy which is an actual snack or piece of candy that can make you stronger, raise your level. There are all kinds of strange food that really doesn’t exist in our universe.>It’s funny you bring up Rare Candy, because my next question is, can humans eat Rare Candy, and what happens if they do?>Masuda: You probably could eat a rare candy as a human, but it might not taste very good. It might be kind of like, an example of our world, a human eating dog food. It’s edible, but it probably doesn’t taste very good. You might hurt your stomach by doing so.
>>58865195The Product Approval Guide states that you should never bring up the foodchain when it comes to Pokémon; So it makes sense that Masuda avoided answering that question outright.
This part is hilarous when now they have canon anti-homeless benches now, literally going against Masuda's words.>We know the names of the regions in all the different games. We know the geography of the regions kind of mirror Japan and the United States. Our question is, does Pokémon take place on an alternate Earth, or is it in the future, or in the past, or is it an alternate present?>Masuda: We actually don’t think of the world of Pokémon as Earth. If we were to do that, we would kind of be limited by what we could do. By thinking about how physical objects work on Earth and how various elements work on Earth, we would kind of be limited to that if we though of it as Earth. We think of it as a place that is really similar to Earth, but is a different planet of its own with people in it who may be similar to people on Earth, but they have different values so they care about different things.>It’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen. There wouldn’t be global warming, water shortages, or anything like that. It’s a world where the people in it really want to work together with each other. Their value system is such where they would prefer to work together and eliminate these problems rather than feud.
>>58865199>Product Approval GuideCan I read this somewhere?
>>58865195wow what a fucking retarded explanation
>>58865200 >While we based regions off of that of our own world, we tend to think of the world of Pokémon as separate to give us more creative freedom in our stories; it also allows us to populate the world with new creatures that we came up wth each games. It's also a bit more utopian; of course you do have some trouble makers and stakes (like Team rocket and such), but there are no Wars or Human rights issues similar to what we face here.
>>58865203Here's this: https://www.pokemoncrossroads.com/product-approval-manual-sheds-light-on-pokemon-world/Note that it's not canon to the Pokemon world and anything the official said were just PR and nothing more.
>>58865195he didn't answer anything at all
>>58865195NutritionGODS...I humbly prostrate...
>>58865219His shit still wouldn't work because even the most basic fruit is alien to us
>>58865214That's the Point, It's purely PR. None of this is canon to Pokémon, just trying to appeased to the broadest demographic possible. TPCi can only approved of such topic to their close affilates, like with ShoPro and that Mangaka that made Adventures/Special; Not Fucking Ledendary for their Detective Pikachu Movie.
>>58865224...? That interview was done for the B2W2 games and stated by Masuda himself so it might have been canon back there
>>58865233The thing is that he may have to held himself back form giving too much away.
Anyways, for Fanfic writers out there: how would you explain the Food Chain in your stories?Personally, I view the Bulbasaur line as Nocturnal Ambush Predators; Sleep during the day gathering sunlight for their plants, so at night it emit a sweet smell to lure unsuspecting prey in.
>>58865200>There wouldn’t be global warming, water shortages, or anything like that.where the fuck does Cursola come from then
>>58865287Groudon and Kyogre chimping out for the nth time.
>>58864906No, wrong group of people. The ones who don’t like religion.
>>58865212Weren’t there literal wars in Unova’s history? And Kalos’?
>>58865299I don't think anybody is going to care. Most people who dislike religion are either just edgy or have personal trauma related to it and likely aren't going to bring it up. So go for it, you don't really have to worry about that kind of thing.
>>58865246Big Pokemon eats small Pokemon
Is there a good way to make it so teams with Pokemon heavily associated with certain characters can feel unique distinct and independent and not feel like, you know, those characters they're heavily associated with?Even worse, how about when the team shares more than one Pokemon of an already established character team?How do you get of Red's shadow if the character has a Pikachu?How about Cynthia with Garchomp? Or Steven with Metagross?Or Ash if you go with Greninja, Infernape and Sceptile as half of the team?Is there no solution but stop being autistic and not give a shit and anyone who thinks they're too similar or too "character-coded" should blow it up their asses?
>>58865690Yeah you're just being autistic. This isn't a problem, it only becomes one if you start matching any one character's teams too closely.>Or Ash if you go with Greninja, Infernape and Sceptile as half of the team?Even this is only kind of a minor problem. To my knowledge, although Ash has had all these pokemon he's never actually fielded them all at the same time, so although the suspicion might be there that you're a no good dirty ripoff it's plausible deniability and minor enough to not really be all that important.
>>58864806My weeb ass wishes the first four regions felt more Japanese in fics
>>58865746crippling social problems swept under the rug by sheer cultural force of personality?yeah.
>>58865746But the only region among the first four that actually feels Japanese is Johto. Kanto is a generic urban sprawl, Hoenn isn't really japanese, and Sinnoh is more urban sprawl.
>>58865773Japan also has metropolitan areas, it's not just countryside houses
>>58865777Yeah but I don't remember kanto/hoenn/sinnoh's urban sprawls feeling very japanese. The most japanese thing about them I remember are the casinos, kek
>>58865773I meant shit like taking off the shoes when entering houses or eating with chopsticks
When a pokemon is restored in a pokemon center will her pussy be not loose anymore?
>>58865303No current wars, namely dictatorships and Nuclear Weapons.
>>58865925Stop thinking with your dick.
>>58865108I have had some ideas with that premise, but I have never been quite capable of really outlining anything solid and/or coherent.
>>58865983are nukes canon or is that your headcanon
>>58865102>That's the problem though. Leon has never, not once, been portrayed like that. He's been played completely and absolutely straight ever since he was revealed.That's because Leon's the Straightman of this relationship; as >>58865121 implied, Rose raised him to be the world's greatest Pokemon Trainer by having him beat all of the World's Champions just to one up his brother, Peony. Hell, the whole Darkest Day Plot is to Forced Leon to become one of the Legendary Pokémon Heroes of old, only to be one upped by a literal child. I think the point is that although Leon is the world's greatest Pokémon Trainer, he grew tired of that status and the pressure brought upon him; which is the common theme of all champions/rivals you encountered. The main reason you won in most of them is that you not that much burden by the hardship that life throws at you, allowing you to focus on training and taking care of your monsters to reach their maximum potential. It's ultimately why Ash won, and retired at the end; in the end he's discovered that the true path of a Pokémon Master is to explore the world at one's leisure and live life to the fullest.
Forgot to mention, new Prince of Po Town for those who partake and like watching Trevenant get snapped in halfhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/66210784/chapters/170669461
>>58865690I use the the entire Kanto starter group (venasaur, charizard, blastoise, and pikachu) as my casts aces to actively make them expies of Red/Blue/Yellow/Green and they still feel like different enough characters despite this. Plus,those 3 starters you mentioned are different gens so it would just be seen as you usung faves more than you using Ash's mons.Plus, he is the world champ. In universe it makes sense his mons would become more popular to use.>>58865690
>>58866166the closest thing is the ultimate weapon
>>58866000Same, I don't even know how to write him
>>58866978Like I said: >>58865115Hell, make Team Rocket Shadaloo and you're set.
New Normal is finished now. What did we think about it?
>>58867031I had to drop it, too much politicslop
>>58867036Same here.Props to the dude nevertheless. I was there when he started the fic 2mil words in three years, religiously uploading like he did, always keeping to schedule, not sure if he missed days or weeks, is extremely impressive. I admire his work ethic and I would kill to have even a tenth of it.
>>58867031The money printer actually came to an end??? Were the numbers dropping off or what?
>>58867031I'm trying to get through it since it was so close to being finished, but so far I'm not a fan. This may be silly to say about SIOCs but the main character so far reads like an unironic classical Mary Sue. At least Brock in Hard Enough bothers to sell his bullshit. John just Yolo's into things and it works out because he's the main character. It's very loose for lack of a better term.I'm not very far in so maybe it gets better, but first impressions are low. I don't really care about any of the characters or their pokemon yet. If it weren't for the author's work ethic and the fact that it's an actual finished longfic I would have already dropped it, but there has to be Something worth reading it for in there right? It wouldn't be this popular if there wasn't.
>>58867282If your problem is John being a Gary Stu then drop it. It won't ever get "better". It's not a bug, it's a feature. >but there has to be Something worth reading it for in there right? It wouldn't be this popular if there wasn't.It's peak straight-male self-insert power fantasy. That's it. That's the appeal. Fic, for better or worse, knows what it is, what niche it is aiming for, and goes hard at it.
>>58867293I don't mind a good power fantasy, but what I've been reading seems more like a mid power fantasy. I'll probably finish it just to say I did, but thanks for the heads up.
>>58867293Don't forget Karen.
>>58867378>so-called "peak straight-male self-insert power fantasy">has one of the most humiliating things you've ever read happen to an MCsomeone explain
>>58867388It was obvious he was going to fuck Cynthia the moment she was introduced
https://rentry.org/pkmnmhgnyI've been working on this in the background and posted a different of this a while back, does anybody care to take a look?
>>58867378Was that the moment where he went in for a kiss and she leaned away and went 'ew'?One of the funniest things posted here.
>>58867405Pretty much.Karen realizing she fumbled John is to further tell (you) how valuable (you) are and how any woman who is not wanting (you) is retarded.That, too, is part of the power fantasy. You aren't supposed to feel bad for John for being rejected, you are supposed to say Karen is fucking retarded for fumbling John and now she'll have to seethe eternally at how she missed out.
We need a “Konosuba in the Pokémon world” kind of fic at some point.
>>58867441Konosuba is trash too
>>58867465Yeah but thats the point. Konusuba is your favorite cheeseburger from that shitty ass place that should be closed down. Its bad for you and everybody involved knows it and thats the appeal.
>>58867537You just described NutriMan and spacebattles as a whole
When did fanfiction.bet get so bloated with ads, holy fuck it's like:>AdSentence>Another ad
>>58867441Something that pokes fun at all of the other commonly used isekai tropes?
>>58867559Maybe, I don't go there or read that. From the way people talk about it they make it sound less self aware.
Which way anons?
>>58867772Technically unnecessary since USUM said Z and Mega powers are similar enough that you can do it without needing a Mega Keystone.In other words, Omniring was canon from the start because any ring is functionally an Omniring.
Planning out something got me thinking. How was the tree of beginning from the lucario movie not already explored? The mountain is within visual range from a major human settlement. Shit like the Regis and the murderous orange blobs that roam the area would've been noted down. An entire battle was waged there as well. There's a road leading to the damn place iirc.
>>58867853>Shit like the Regis and the murderous orange blobs that roam the area would've been noted down.The blobs were automatic like some kind of antivirus iirc>An entire battle was waged there as well. It was outside and far away anon, the battle was going on while Aaron arrived to the tree>There's a road leading to the damn place iirc.Autonomous kingdom that can decide if someone enters, iirc that explorer would have done it illegally despite being famous until she joined Ash to Gondor Pikachu.It's been like more than a decade since I watched it tho so maybe I'm wrong
>>58867692Yeah. But not whatever Pofag’s doing.
>>58867692So aura bullshit, inventing new types, energy, cultivation, bloodline powers, nutrition...etc?
>>58867853>The mountain is within visual range from a major human settlement>There's a road leading to the damn place iirc.You gotta change things like this if you want your world to make real sense. Gamefreak already doesn't care to make a believable world and the anime's even worse with it.Although let's be fair, the length of the road isn't very short and the tree is fucking massive. This screenshot I just took was when they were already partway on their travel, so not only would it take a while to get there it'd also take forever to explore the whole thing. Couple that with several legendaries and a strange antibody system, exploring the whole thing is pretty much a fool's errand.
>>58867866>>58867938Cheers for the idea, gave me some stuff to ruminate on.
>>58867853aura cultivators used a formationalternatively nobody's ever come back from exploring there until the guy the league forma de governmento hired to do it said fuck that and just told them there's nothing interesting there
>>58865925We are thinking the same thought
>>58867441Check The Champion Just Wants a Good Fight
>>58867955Remember the time flowers anon and how they can only be opened through aura >It has the ability to record events and play them at a later date as a holographic image with sound, only doing so if it is stimulated by the right aura. In this way, they are almost like living time capsules or natural cameras. So far, the only ones known to be able to activate them are Sir Aaron, Lucario, and Ash.They're basically holocrons and a good way to start your auraslop >Holocrons can only be opened by individuals sensitive to the Force who possess the specific alignment (Light or Dark side) corresponding to the holocron's creator. Jedi holocrons require light-side aptitude to access, while Sith holocrons necessitate tapping into the dark side. These devices use encoded security, often requiring a gatekeeper or specific, attuned Force skills to unlock.
I’m so glad /vp/ always reps me :’)
>>58868232The bots are getting more uppity each year
>>58868243Years ago it was just Farla and her autists (as far as Pokémon fanfics go) now real scammers, AI was a mistake
>>58867418Reads fine to me. I welcome any attempts at making Clair more than just the mc's punching bag.
>>58867418>Rhys stepped forward as she went for her own Pokeball.Guessing that should be>Rhys's mom stepped forward as she went for her own Pokeball.There's some other stuff I'd change if I were a real editor but it's all pretty comprehensible.I like the parents pairing the two rowdy kids off to try and mellow them both out, but I wish Rhys had the chance to be more rowdy before he meats Sneasel. Right now it's just a lot of people saying he's rambunctious while he acts pretty normal. Maybe he could sneak out to try and get a peek at what his Pokemon is gonna be.I like this, though. Looking forward to a proper interaction with Clair.I hope he and the Sneasel get together
Does it make sense if I say in my fic that gym leaders' Japanese name is their real one while the English one is their stage name?
>>58868342It could, but there's a canon issue with that. Crasher Wake already uses a stage name instead of his real name.
>>58868342No issue whatsoever.Someone has done something similar for sure.There's the made-up surnames, there's people using the VA surnames as surnames for the characters, people using the nip names as surnames, the dub names as surnames and the nip names as the real names, people just using the nip names, no surnames at all even if english names, people using the nip names for some characters and the english names for others.It's fanfic after all.
>>58868232I know retards on this site love to accuse people of projecting, but this guy's scenario is so vivid and detailed that he must've been crying tears of rage as he typed it, hoping that he could pull you down with him. SAD! MANY SUCH CASES!
>>58868458It's a bot, retardbro.
>>58865773Japanese culture jokes are more noticeable on the Pokemon anime's first season
>>58868232I think that's a bot, although most of my bot comments are art scams.https://fanlore.org/wiki/AO3_Comment_Bots
>>58868342Go for it bro, you can even say their dun name is their real name too and that everyone has two names, the common tongue one and the specific region language one.And yes, even the games have the same gibberish if you think it's only some ashnime thing
>>58868258Thanks, I want to use her as a friend/rival to Rhys>>58868275That's a good point, I do point out how he's holding himself back but other than that he acts pretty normal. I'll have the narration note his room is in disarray, I'm just really attached to how the opening is right now. I did first start thinking about this fic around the time of the teraleak, so some arranged marriage vibes slipped into it. Not that it's a problem, although everyone is a bit young right now for romance. I'd probably be more inclined toward that path is she was a Hisuian Sneasel, and thus could become a Sneaseler but that's impossible for story reasons.
>>58868996Short stack ice wife.
>>58868996You could also have his mom think about some other event from his past. "He was on his best behavior now, but just last week he [whatever]." Though reading it back, you did have him struggle against running down the hall, which points in that direction too, so maybe it's not as big a deal as I'm making it out to be.>>58869055That's what it's all about, man
>>58864806>TQMr Fuji calling Silver a monster always makes me chuckle by how edgy it tries to be
>>58868342Only in The Japanese regions, From Kanto to Shinnoh. Otherwise stick to the localizations for the rest of the regions.
>>58865063I don't think RR are the Main Antagonists of Mastersex, especially when it fell apart there as well.
>>58869633>especially when it fell apart there as well.Qrd? I always thought that multiverse conqueror Giovanni was bullshit because how do you go from a normal mafia guy to that, but I guess they needed to wank him to make him equal to Red's "strongest Pokémon trainer ever" even if his feats are shit
>>58869649>Mewtwo get Snagged.Nope
>>58869633>I don't think RR are the Main Antagonists of MastersexThey had an arc.Masters doesn't have a "main antagonist" anyway. Right now the "main antagonist" is Volo anyway. >especially when it fell apart there as well.???Not it hasn't.RR is still "scheming" in the background. Even now Volo is dealing with Giovanni and Giovanni is thinking of ways to fuck over Volo.>I always thought that multiverse conqueror Giovanni was bullshit because how do you go from a normal mafia guy to that, but I guess they needed to wank him to make him equal to Red's "strongest Pokémon trainer ever" even if his feats are shitYup. I hate Giovanniwank in Masters too. Exactly for that reason. It's just K-K-KANTOOOOOOO privilege and nothing else. So that nostalgiaturds can clap like the mindless seals they are.I always thought RR was dumb, but the ridiculous amounts of wank Giovanni, and Red for that matter, got in Masters, honestly started to make me resent them.
>>58869788You think there’s a way to do RR without the Giovanni wank?
>>58869804There's levels to things, you know?
>>58869804Does it even make sense? Even with MewTwo there's just no way the other leaders that won in their world would work under him because they either have main legendaries too or are too broken after watching everything go down and not in the way they wanted thanks to their retarded plans
>>58869825Yeah, this. It's only reason to exist is Kanto and Genwunner pandering.RR is straight-up a flawed nonsensical concept from the get-go. You can't make something like that good no matter how you write it. Because it's very concept is bollocks.
>>58869827I think it can be pulled off, but you basically have to base them off multiverse conquerors from comic books and shit, not just “Faba got curious.”. Like many creative decisions GF makes, It could be an interesting concept but their execution is complete ass.
Does anybody else try to give characters punny names
>>58869848Like so many other things, the teraleak version of RR was much much better.
>>58869858Now I have to look that up. Considering GF’s execution of most stories is so ass, I assume how rushed the games are have become the primary reason for it. They have limited resources in development (which is such a BS excuse for the amount of money the games bring in.
>>58869804Involve Team Cipher and Snag'em; Make it so that they overthrown Giovanni through the theft and corruption of his Mewtwo. This will lead to an arc of them stealing and corruption of all of the Champions Pokémon, But also the Corruption of Arceus Themselves to rule over all creation. This will lead to said protag to team up with Giovanni, Volo, the International Police, and the Protags of XD and Coloseum, to Snag back the captive Pokemon in part and snaging and purifying the legendaries in the other, leading to the purification of Arceus, which lead to purify all of the remaining snagged legendaries. It will end when it revealed that Cloress rigged the machine to command the Pokeballs to release the legendaries to upon purification; leading to Mewtwo destroying the interdimensional device in a fit a rage. Giovanni will only be rescued by TRio at the last minute. >What about ma Multiverse.RR relies on the unification of all of the Villian teams, only for them to disbanded due to infighting. I only described how to escalate and handle a multiversal threat while defanging Giovanni of his Mewtwo.
>>58869827Counterpoint, and I'm not shitposting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoyanrsXUmQGiovanni can be the head honcho with the charisma to keep the others in line, but highlight that they're not an organization with minions under a leader, but a collaboration between a bunch of like-minded villains attempting to accomplish a shared goal.
>>58869858Went and read up on, it yeah that’s way better. Having it be planned for the original SM which itself was the 20 year anniversary celebration makes RR being a thing actually make sense as a nice homage to the anniversary. Having it seemingly shoehorned into the post-game of USUM is a travesty when putting it in that context.
>>58869887The issue is that their goals often conflict with each other; especially with Aqua and Magma. The only way I could see him as a shadow villain is that he runs a service that assist crime syndicates though devices and grunts; only for them to be trapped into servitude to make sure that they don't do anything too drastic (like with Cyrus's goal of rewriting Reality itself).
>>58869887Well, you already marked the difference between RR and that. And why that works there and why it doesn't here.Furthermore, Maleficent being picked as the leader and big boss is because of thematic reasons of Darkness of KH. You can't have that same kind of deal if Hook was the one picked as the leader. Even a simple "you run things because as not-Yakuza you're the best at administration" would have sufficed. But ultimately, deep inside, no matter the presentation, we all know the reason is K-K-KANTOOOOOOOOOOO and nothing else.What you are describing is more like a "Team Rainbow", but it's ROCKET. And even that that you are describing cannot happen because of how all the Team leaders have such ridiculously vast differing goals that all clash with one another to the extreme. You can't even pretend they will all fuck off to their own little corner of the world they will rule however they want because practically all of them goals involve fundamentally altering the whole wide world.Maybe, just maybe, you could make it so they decided to join forces to take over random worlds so that everyone can have their own personal world but they're all such selfish chucklefucks even that kind of collaboration seems impossible to see happening.And before you say anything it's not like XIII either because that's Xehanort using and manipulating a bunch of retards for his own goals and purposes, lessers, not his equals or collaboration partners in any way whatsoever, and not a single one of them would be able to compete with him even if they wanted to too.
>>58869908So the only I figured to unite the leaders would be to somehow gain power over Arceus (or the being that it’s an avatar of). Not all leaders would comply a civil war amongst themselves would be interesting, Ghetsis seems hard programmed for that
>>58869924Cyrus or Volo would be in charge of that; I see Giovanni as a mix between KingPin and Lex Luther of Marvel and DC respectively.
>>58869930The leader would be the one who controls the ability to travel the multiverse. If Giovanni got control over Solgaleo/Lunala or Necrozma he’d lead the union. Any team leader could do though.
>>58869938Only to obtain and distribute Pokémon.Like remember that Episode where they obtain Palkia and Dialga but only used them to mess with Ash and Co; I don't see them using it beyond that.
>>58869952>I don't see them using it beyond thatDepends on your level of creativity.
>>58869930Volo's done well with Masters in this regard. Him being a literal sneaky merchant manipulating people, good or bad, in the background for his own ends and purposes.Volo's not a foreground dude.
>>58869960The Point is, I don't see them on the same level as Shocker of Kamen Rider; more like Black Ghost of Cyborg 009.The former is rediculously Evil, while the other is more Down to earth criminality that you find in real life (like finding a bunch of hobos to turn into weapons for profit evil).
>>58869966To be fair, Shocker has gotten a lot flanderized and power creeped through the years as the franchise has gone.You go read things like the OG KR manga and they really are not all that different from Black Ghost.
>>58869978Weren't they're a bunch of former Nazis though? Black Ghost is pretty much a Superhero equivilent of the Military Industrial Complex trying to hunt down their escaped Assets before they managed to fuck them over.
>>58869966While you’re correct as far as canon Giovanni goes, all that needs to happen is one variant of him to want to amass power and wealth on a retarded level for RR to be plausible. If he gets a hold of Jirachi and it grants his wish for whatever Macguffin to use to make multiversal travel and control of Arceus possible, it’s basically a done deal. Considering the Pokémon multiverse, it’s not Farfetch’d in my opinion.
The real question is how high are you willing to go through ESCALATION and multiverse conqueror bullshit because otherwise what's the fucking point, even Arc-V did a better multiversal war
>>58870026Is this the shit Yugi deals with? No fucking wonder Ash lost in the death battle. Jesus fucking christ.
>>58869984Shocker just had ties with governments and controlled them under the shadows. Nazis are included in there because, well, why not? Shocker having lots of IRL Nazi imagery inspiration and stuff aside.
>>58869428True, thanks for the tip. I think I'll want to expand it a bit more, although I've more or less established everything I wanted to establish in the first chapters.>The Mahogany family breeds pokemon>They're friends with the Blackthorns and Claire is more or less>Set up relationship with the Sneasel>Mention the ice path>Hint towards him mom being a member of the Joy Family from birth>Set up Rhys' characterIt'll probably end up being around 3k~ when I finish. I don't want to introduce too much in the first chapter but I should probably more expectantly mention the family is more or less landed feudal nobility and their house is a japanese style mansion.Aside from that I have a pretty good idea where the story will go so I'm confident in it, even if it'll probably take me awhile to start working on it in earnest.
>>58870035No, Yugi's actually pretty damn weak when you get rid of scaling and look at feats.Basically the same situation Red goes through, without nostalgia and wank they're shitters. Also shut the fuck up, I don't want that autist here.
>>58870026>even Arc-V did a better multiversal warLet's not be silly here.
>>58870026>The real question is how high are you willing to go through ESCALATION and multiverse conqueror bullshit because otherwise what's the fucking point,It doesn't have to be a multiversal Conqueror, because the Multiverse is to vast to conquer. You have to think about Multiversal Crisis instead; like an event that brings peoples from multiple universe together.
>unironically entertaining the notion of multiverse slop in the year 2026
>>58870137While yeah, “muh Multiverse” is a meme now because Marvel’s retarded, I don’t think there’s any shame in trying pull off Team Rainbow Rocket “the right way.” And yes I’m projecting.
>>58870160I don't see Giovanni as a multiversal Conqueror, or such thing exist. Remember, crazy shit happens in unrestricted Multiversal space (it's why the Finite Curve in Rick and Morty Exist, so they don't have to deal with unpredictable shit that the old man can't handle).
>>58870205>I don't see Giovanni as a multiversal Conqueror, or such thing existGood thing you’re not in a fanfiction thread.>Remember, crazy shit happens in unrestricted Multiversal space (it's why the Finite Curve in Rick and Morty Exist, so they don't have to deal with unpredictable shit that the old man can't handle).So it’s more believable that a set of universes can force only select universes where one man is the smartest being in that universe to exist than it is for one ambitious crime boss to gain the power to travel the multiverse?
>>58870047Cool. Be sure to post it when you do, I'm looking forward to seeing more.
>>58870137Are you more of a timetravel guy?
>>58870236I'm saying is that you have to be careful not to make him too OOC. I could see him as an interdimensional Crimelord than anything else. as for fanfiction, you have to keep in mind of the other universes to write yourself outside of Anime, Manga, and Games; like others fanfics. Hell try doing that and Tumblr and the Pokéask community will floor you with their Arceus Muses. Fuck, if said crimelord would have set foot into my Pokéverse, the Mew will melt him instantly.
>>58870205>I don't see Giovanni as a multiversal Conqueror, or such thing existWhy the fuck not? Of all the ambitious men, other than Cyrus and maybe Ghetsis, he's the most level headed and personable. There's nothing OOC with him reaching such a state. The only ones acting OOC are the villains he brought under him in RR, something that's easily fixed by strapping a bomb collar to their neck that's tuned to Giovanni's remote.
>>58870258Because he's fucking weak anon, even with MewTwo he would job to the big guys unless you want to wank MewTwo too
>>58861520>How do you view Legendaries? Should they be able to be captured or are they beyond that?Mainly nerf and buff some of the Legendary and mythical Pokémon so that only a kind hearted person can encounter them; Like the lake trio can alter the mind of intruders or Mew pulling a "Parasite Eve" and Melt/Burn humans at will.
>>58870270>Because he's fucking weakMega Mewtwo has stats higher than everyone except Rayquaza and Eternatus. That includes Mew and Arceus. He's not fucking weak. He's overwanked because he's Kanto and I'm sick of the Kanto wank too, but it's not out of character and it's not implausible.
>>58870251>I'm saying is that you have to be careful not to make him too OOCFair. I disagree that one version of him ESCALATING is out of character, but that’s at least our interpretations of canon, which are a bit subjective. >Fuck, if said crimelord would have set foot into my Pokéverse, the Mew will melt him instantly.When was Mew the multiverse enforcer? Is that in canon? News to me. But apparently Giovanni getting too ambitious IS out of character for him? Anon, it’s okay to be autistic, but attempting to enforce your interpretation of canon on a franchise with a hypothetically infinite multiverse isn’t a winning argument. This is getting to such a level my bait censors are tingling.
>>58870283God Aus can floor them.Nothing can beats God Aus.
>>58870270Yup, because Mewtwo is the only legendary a multiverse conquering Giovanni would have. 100%
>>58870289>Canbut won't, even if it could. Aus did nothing when AZ nuked his enemies, nothing when the Tao dragons vaporized Unova, and nothing when Giovanni conquered a portion of the multiverse.Would Giovanni get slapped if he pissed off the one true god? Absolutely, so long as God decides to not roll over and die. But that's a hypothetical that has nothing to do with Giovanni conquering a few planets.
>>58870296If Giovanni had the Macguffin to control AUS, would that change any of your thoughts?
>>58870283>Gameplay statsMan, are you serious?
>people itt defending Kanto wank
>>58870304>feats aren't enough>stats aren't enoughWhat is enough for you?
>>58870286>When was Mew the multiverse enforcer? Is that in canon? News to me. But apparently Giovanni getting too ambitious IS out of character for him? Anon, it’s okay to be autistic, but attempting to enforce your interpretation of canon on a franchise with a hypothetically infinite multiverse isn’t a winning argument. This is getting to such a level my bait censors are tingling.The thing is, you're better off dealing with official tellings of Pokemon world like with Horizons and Special than to try the whole Underverse mess dealing with other's head canons. Let me put it this way, there's an autist I work with that doesn't want his OCs to be harmed due to his insecurity; even doing so out of spite won't solve shit. You can do a Giovanni vs. Ash, Red, and other variants form other retellings (Like that one manga with that fucking Clefairy). It would make a more interesting story than whatever happened in USUM.
>>58870307Like giving us a protagonist against Giovanni, like a team of Reds and Ash.
>>58870306Pretty sure Alolan protags beating multiverse conquering antagonists is Alola-wank, but anyone hyper-fixating on Kanto-wank wouldn’t get that.
>>58870310>like a team of Reds and Ash.Fuck that too
>>58870304>unironically seething about gameplay stats in fanfiction in the year 2026
>>58870310>like a team of Reds and AshWhat does more theoretical Kanto wank have to do with the topic?
>>58870313Outside of Red and maybe Ethan, I don't think anyone really counts the game protags in any power level arguments otherwise B2W2, USUM, and PLA protags would neg diff everyone else. Off the top of my head.
>>58870308>The thing is, you're better off dealing with official tellings of Pokemon world like with Horizons and Special than to try the whole Underverse mess dealing with other's head canonsDidn’t answer my question at all, but even then, you’re discounting other people’s’ headcanons in a fanfic thread… you’re likely too retarded to understand the humor in that, but holy fuck I’m cackling right now.>Let me put it this way, there's an autist I work with that doesn't want his OCs to be harmed due to his insecurity; even doing so out of spite won't solve shit. You can do a Giovanni vs. Ash, Red, and other variants form other retellings (Like that one manga with that fucking Clefairy). It would make a more interesting story than whatever happened in USUMYes anon, there’s only one way to tell a Rainbow Rocket story, and it’s a USUM story. LMAO
>>58870160>I don’t think there’s any shame in trying pull off Team Rainbow Rocket “the right way.” And yes I’m projecting.What is the right way then, like execution wise?Giovanni obtaining goodhood by fusing with Arceus or what?
>>58870336he don't got cyrus's rizzbring in the ultra beastsstill a stupid fucking name holy shit nintendies what were you thinking
>>58870344>still a stupid fucking name holy shit nintendies what were you thinkingOnce again, Matchbox prevents them from calling them Monsters.
>>58870336>What is the right way then, like execution wise?We've already seen it.A proper modern conquest begins with infiltration.
>>58870336Giovanni attempting to attain godhood. He had the Macguffin to control Arceus, lost it because of a civil war, but he can’t enter the world where the story’s taking place because the Macguffin can control Mewtwo. So you have a desperate struggle for the Macguffin but multiversal imposters fucking with everything in the background.
>>58870357So like what >>58869905 said.
>>58870357>InfiltrationUnfathomably based.
>>58870160I just think it's silly. I don't understand why people like multiverse stuff, it's not appealing to me in any way shape or form, I just don't understand it.
>>58870380A crossover really, namely between the games, anime, manga, and so on.
>>58870380Fair. Honestly, I wouldn’t say I’m a fan of multi-verse shit, but I’m writing something involving RR and I want to be one of the few that “does it right,” so to speak.
>>58870323Wanking Giovanni as the Big bad leader of Multiversal Rainbow Rocket.
>>58869825What if Geovanni was the leader because he had Mewtwo brainwash the rest of them, like he did with Nurse Joy in the movie? He's the only one with a psychic legendary, and the only ones who would have legendaries resistant to that is version specific Cyrus and Lysandre. Cyrus seemed to just be sort of chilling and Lysandre I can see being the easiest to manipulate of the other leaders. Actually, now that I think about it, Archie and Maxie don't exactly have very big ambitions in the long run. They are the least actively evil of the team leaders so they probably wouldn't really have a problem with following Giovanni. Cyrus seemed pretty content with his only real ambition being to fuck off back to his perfect world, which just sort of leaves Ghetsis as the only one who really would take issue with following under Giovanni. And he was actively planning on backstabbing him and taking over. The real question is why did he recruit these guys? Cyrus, Archie, Maxie, and Lysandre could arguably come from doomed worlds, which might be something that sticks out a lot if one was trolling the multiverse.
>>58870137>Been a huge fan of multiverse stuff >Multiverse stuff gets popular so everybody hates it now>Meanwhile I'm feasting
>>58870560>The real question is why did he recruit these guys? Cyrus, Archie, Maxie, and Lysandre could arguably come from doomed worlds, which might be something that sticks out a lot if one was trolling the multiverse.Giovanni didn't recruit them, Faba did using Ultra space Technology; Masters used Hoopa as a plot point. >>58870358I like this, but make it with Volo attempting to control Arceus with said MacGuffin, only for it to fell under Giovanni's hands. He then use Mewtwo to kidnap Asha so he can force her Hoopa to travel to different worlds to begin his operations; this will lead to a struggle between Giovanni, Volo, and the kids who came to rescue Asha and Hoopa as they try to dispose of said MacGuffin before it can harm anyone else.
>>58870380I'm a big fan of Multiverse stuff, and there is pretty much two main appeals to it.One, like somebody said, is crossover stuff. Seeing the characters who normally would never interact do so is inherently cool which is why cross over events used to be a big deal before they became oversaturated. Two, seeing familiar characters in new and alternate roles is interesting. Their characters get explored in new and different ways that wouldn't be possible within the original storyline. Both of those things have a pretty strong appeal to fans. Seeing two heroes from a game you like meet up, or seeing a universe where the villains are the good guys can be really cool. The issue is that it can ALSO be a cheap and easy way to smash to things together without any thought put into it, like Fortnight. A good multiverse story is about exploring interesting scenarios and events that would otherwise be impossible. A bad multiverse story is, like many things from modern companies, a shortcut to slapping popular things together.
>>58870592>Giovanni didn't recruit them, Faba did using Ultra space TechnologyOkay, then why did Faba recruit these guys?
>>58870607To take over the Aether Foundation of course.
All this talk makes me wonder if the guy who didn't like my OC villain stealing a Pokemon from a game MC has read the chapter going over how it happened.
>>58870604Gah, made me remember how much fun some of the db multiverse fights were. Hyourinjutsu's videos are also peak.
>>58870604>seeing familiar characters in new and alternate roles is interesting. Their characters get explored in new and different ways that wouldn't be possible within the original storyline.This, I'm probably the only one but I liked how multiverse Ash was a crybaby, two at that, so there's probably an edgy Ash out there and so on.Seems pretty damn funny too as a writer to use existing characters in different roles, of course you will have autists seething and telling you to write original fiction
>>58870608I feel like you're missing the thought experiment part of the question.
>>58870630Some guys really hate when a Pokémon protagonist loses since Pokémon at its core is a power fantasy, I remember some anon seething about that but not the context just that it was done in the same way the Joker always gets away from Batman
>>58870639asked a stupid question get a stupid answer.
>>58870643Damn man I'm just brainstorming ways to try and improve the RR stuff, no need to be a dick.
>>58870604I kind of get it, I guess it's easier than merging settings. Which I have done before to mixed success.
>CCanon dropped a comment on my ficMade my whole fucking week.
>>58870651Then have Giovanni recruit Cipher then; they share the same tech afterall
The multiverse concept is inherently boring if it's played straight and doesn't have a twist
I would use burst in a multiverse story ngnl
>Ever Played Competitive canonized PMD in its setting with an isekai'd PMD-monSpeaking of multiverses, this is a whole can of worms. Imagine going from a world where you can move freely during battle and shake up the action economy to one where you must stand in place and take equivalent actions.
>>58870763>Sealed insideThat sounds nightmarish.
>>58870765Yes, that's why only villains would use it
>>58870764I like the idea of making it so the turn based 4 movepool stand and deliver crap is just a regulated format via an extra hold item.Then you can characterize the adherants as the biggest most annoying nerds possible.
>>58870651Don’t give too much weight to the things said in this thread. Most of it is autistic retard-shit from people who will never write significant in their life.
>>58870929Hey, that's a half-truth
>>58869978Foundation X fucking sucks as a multiverse threat. They're just so boring and lame in the unfun way. They lose or survive because the writer demands them to.
>>58871224Foundation X was fun and interesting at first when Neo-Heisei was barely starting there was a semblance of coherent world-building between the series so you could pretend the series were happening in the same world but then they just kind of started to give up on coherence and the crossovering started to get more and more nonsensical and impossible to fit in the pieces and things just came in and out with no logic at all.There was an attempt at something bigger, but ultimately, Rider crossover is just silly fun with no rhyme or reason you shouldn't think too hard about.
>>58864806ILIKESHORTS HAS POSTED ANOTHER ROMCOM, FRENS
Rainbow Rocket opens a hole into a far off corner of the multiverse and Giovanni and his admins find themselves face to face with Cauldron from Worm. What happens next?
>>58871674Don't those guys just want to kill Scion. I only read like 1/4th of Ward(?) and RR has a bunch of legends, so I imagine they just kill the gold guy. I don't think RR would really benefit from having an omnicidal golden alien around.
>>58867425what chapter was that? I will exclusively only read that chapter because it gives me my sick kicks
>>58871753>and RR has a bunch of legends, so I imagine they just kill the goldNah bro, iirc that guy is broken as fuck living outside time and space through multiple or infinite dimensions as shields while having comic Superman stats which as proved in multiple canons is where Pokémon lack be it legendary, mythical or normal
>>58871885Then they get killed by the golden omnicidal maniac I guess. Doesn't really seem like that interesting of a crossover.
I want you guys to know every time I see RR I read it as Red Ribbon.
>>58871896Pokémon crossovers are hard in general, only YGO has it worse
>>58871932Hence the finite curve thing; Giovanni most likely established his foothold on universes where the protagonists of those games were never born, just to build his power safely. Then again, that would lead to a "Interdimensional Council of Reed Richard" situation.
>>58872065Wouldn't it be easier to just universe where Pokémon are a thing while excluding those where they don't exist?Multiverse and timetravel are a shitshow to be honest
>>58872074>Wouldn't it be easier to just universe where Pokémon are a thing while excluding those where they don't exist?Possible; but since TPCi heavily pushed that Pokémon took place on a different planet (as this interview states >>58865200) it would be possible that earth would existed in those universes as their own separate worlds. There are already fanfics that forgoes the multiverse and still have crossovers with different series (like Doctor Who, for example).
>>58872065>search finite curve in google>rick and morty shows upis really that where your plot concept is from?
>>58872107either that, or "Limited Multiverse".
multiverse sucks, timelines is the real shit
Solgaleo travels through dimensions, parallel worlds or different planets?
The multiverse is essential to my plot, but none of my characters actually go into it, only a single character actually came from it, and the only reason it matters is because it tells my villains their evil plan is doable.
For me is having the MC fight his evil counterpart like in that Jet Li movie, The One I think.
>>58872138Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozuma travels through Ultra Space where Pokemon and Ultra Beasts inhabits. It was kept vague on purpose.
>>58872160For me, it's MC fucking his female counterpart
>>58872191Didn't Marvel do that with the Loki series?
>>58871932Just make everything a card battle via the power of the shadow realm / ancient egypt. Ancient egypt can do anything.
>>58872160>MC travels to different universes intent to challenge the only real worthy opponent, himself>every universe he goes to he finds out that his rival ultimately defeated him and claimed to top spot>realizes he is the alternate universe where he wasn't a shitter and his normal destiny is being the rival to the MC
>>58872065The multiverse is fictional man, it can work however the author says it works. Wubalubadubdub pickle rick's asinine finite curve design isn't the requirement of all multiverses.>>58872116Timelines make the best multiverses kek
>>58872765>The multiverse is ultimately a Crossover tool to being over anything the author wants into their fanfic; stop being a fucking story police.fix'd
You missing the point about Multiversal Dictator Giovanni and Rainbow Rocket; you can discard their canon characteristics and go nuts whenever you want. That's the purpose of Fanfics, to express what you want the story to go with no limits what so ever; regardless of how shitty it will turn out. No one should tell you how to write it because it doesn't even effect the official series in the slightest. Now that I think about it, lets go with this prompt: Giovanni obtained Arceus and Ultra Necrozuma and been conquering universes with Rainbow Rocket, with an army of Legendaries and Mythicals. How will your protagonist deal with that?
So… any stories about Diantha and her daughter yet?
>>58872918>How will your protagonist deal with that?Aura, duh!
>>58872918>You're missing the point about Multiversal Dictator Giovanni and Rainbow Rocket; you can discard their canon characteristics and go nuts whenever you want100x this.>Giovanni obtained Necrozma and has been conquering universes with Rainbow Rocket, with an army of Legendaries and Mythicals, How will your protagonist deal with that?Literally been writing that story for half a year
>>58872918>Giovanni obtained Arceus and Ultra Necrozuma>>58872918>with an army of Legendaries and Mythicals.Snag em with Masterballs
Multiverse Giovani was just the retards at Pokemon copying marvel because they're hacks, just like they copied that other yokai anime with the rotomdex thingSM was a disasterpiece of uninspired garbage and is only seen as good by literal pedophiles because they had to stick 3 girls with ash.Thinking about it beyond that is pointless
>>58873144>Literally been writing that story for half a yearDoes he have J's Medusa arm or a snag machine like >>58873158?
>>58873161Nope. They have other hax though.
>>58856860To answer a question from last thread. Well for what I'm working on right here >>58867418 I've talked about some of my ideas in previous threads, but while I hadn't paid attention to Pokemon for a bit, then PLA came out in 2022 and in 2024 the Teraleak happened. PLA's take on Pokemon battles, the more Japanese aesthetic, and the Hisuian Pokemon as well as the sort of colonization narrative really appealed to me. But at that point I hadn't written any fanfic since middle school so I just typed out a vague idea in a word document alongside about a dozen others and called it a day. Then by the time the Teraleaks had come out I had already gotten back into writing fanfiction so I gave the idea more thought.I really wanted to do a story that explained how a modern version of a pokemon came to be, Hisuian Sneasel was a pretty easy pick from there. I always figured Hisui/Sinnoh was just north of Kanto and Johto and I could make the mountains in between the natural habitat of the Sneasel and Sneasler, besides that a Fighting/Poison type becoming a Dark/Ice type seemed a pretty interesting switch.From there Mahogany town was a natural pick, there used to be Ninjas there and they seem like the sort who'd want to breed a Dark or Ice type pokemon since they live just west of the Blackthorns. After that connecting them to Pryce felt more or less natural.Of course then I ran into a problem, Pryce was a grown man during the events of the story (10~8 years before RBG), as an adult he was way more liable to get bogged down in politics. Not only that but I had no idea how to handle Tean Rocket Pryce as the MC.Thus, Rhys came to be, I could have a character that's involved with but doesn't get bogged things. Besides that I like Clair and I could make them more or less the same age since I like her. And sorry to disappoint you pokefuckers but if romance does come up eventually it'll probably be with Clair.TLDR: it's been marinating for awhile.
>>58873173>Nope. They have other hax though.So what stopping J, Wes or Micheal from disarming them? unless you go beyound the pokeverse and capture Azathoth to become omnigod
>>58873181>Clair is a character and will be presented positively (eventually I assume)The Clairfag in this thread will be happy.>>58873182By simply not including them in the story :') But real talk, Rainbow Rocket had a civil war and is scrambling so they're only at 10% power now, but still strong enough to wreck the setting, hence why they're in the background for most of the story.
How do we make Geeta a character people would like instead of being at best merely disregarded?
>>58873220You delete her.
>>58873194Clair is what made me like rich tsunderes, I'll do my best.>>58873220I always figured Geeta would be a villain, she just gives me those vibes.
>>58873220I always thought she was a robot, what with the leaks and her fucked up proportions
>>58873242Nah she just gets through work by total dissociation.
>>58873181>spoilerDamn.
>>58873220Smogonize her. Give her Mega Glimmora and/or Mega Chesnaught, and hyper-optimize movesets (Glimmora as either a real or fake hazard lead depending on whether it's Mega or not, Protect + Speed Boost Espathra, Sucker + SD Gambit, Infiltrator on Dragapult and replacing Sucker with U-Turn if keeping it mixed or going either full physical or full special, Knock instead of Bulk Up on Chesnaught to hit Ghosts, defensive Avalugg). Avalugg and Chesnaught (if non-Mega) are the weakest links but replacing them might be seen as going too far by some readers. Her lore justification for actually making her team a challenge would be embarrassment from the SV protag wiping the floor with her twice.
>>58872110they both suck and are also functionally identical
>>58865138We have nothing to do with Grim, "Edgyverse", or Zirca. Our involvement with that stuff begins and ends with two people in our thread who necrobump the annual failed attempt at an Edgyverse revival thread because they can't let go of that era and also don't understand that for some reason the people who engage with that stuff fucking hate us for some reason (yes, really). Now for the explanation: Zirca is a fan region made by Nyantcha AKA 00_Homura/ThiccWithAQ and apparently it was not a comic but rather a roleplay with him and his friends (he LARPed as an Asian woman instead of the coomer nigger he is throughout this time before he got doxxed on /vp/ which I am NOT posting). I don't know how long the RP ran, but the premise was a comically edgy region led by >>58865133 who imported a bunch of Ultra Beasts and other dangerous Pokemon to increase the prestige of the region and its trainers. It worked, and he installed a comically edgy E4 to go with him, consisting of a feral man >>58865134 a mind controlled psychopathic loli (pic related), a drug kingpin who canonically drugrapes people, and a nightclub owner that works with him to arrange deals at her properties. The region is apparently based off of Canada and Chile (which basically makes Vos Xavion a stand-in for Augusto Pinochet, trading economic development and killing communists for bolstering the League and killing anyone who could actually have a shot at deposing him). It was also divided into Upper Zirca the rich nigga zone and Lower Zirca the Chiraq on steroids with Ultra Beasts zone. I have no idea how the RP's plot went besides the fact that Vos Xavion's soul somehow got stuck inside of a Dunsparce.Despite what a lot of people have been led to believe, Grim Darkwood has no relation to Zirca. His creator just aped Nyantcha hard to the point of modeling his bio exactly after his characters, and also his Mary Sue Tyranigtar was never intended to have multiple phases, that is pure 4chan fanfic.
>>58873412And here is a copypasta I made for people to easily access information about all of the characters. I made this for the OC thread but you can post this pretty much anywhere you need to.All of the notable information about the characters can be found in these links>All Character Bios:https://www.pillowfort.social/posts/1919731>Gym Leader Heights:https://www.pillowfort.social/posts/1919697>Elite Four:https://www.pillowfort.social/posts/1919712>Vos Xavion:https://www.pillowfort.social/posts/1919719>Pillowfort Profilehttps://www.pillowfort.social/00HomuraFun fact: most of the Zirca cast represent veiled fetishes of Nyantcha (or the other creators)>Halcyon (pictured here) - Femboy/Pastel Goth/Streamer/"Fake Straight">Suzuen - Shota>Steely Crits - Bara>Rylie Florderi - Clown Girl>Yosemi Garicia - Tribal/Muscle Girl>Yorra Villeneuve - Pear Hips/Thick Thighs>Dorado Guerrero - Bara/Drugs>Aysha D’Navari - Pear Hips/Thick Thighs/Ebony>Evangeline - Loli/Pastel Goth/BPD Chick>Kairo D’Navari - Pear Hips/Thick Thighs>Jules Jagger - Cheerleader/Thick Thighs>P1X3L - Streamer/Thick Thighs>Vos Xavion - CrossdressingAnd here is a 1660 page archive of Nyantcha's Retrospring (the side got shut down recently) made by a different person from the trainer OC threads. I wish I was joking about this document's length, but he screenshotted literally everything over the course of almost seven months: https://files.catbox.moe/kg41pb.pdf
Please stop posting about that cucktard "artist" who couldn't draw a unique face or body to save his life.Dude needs to get over his ntr fetish.
>>58873412>Mary Sue Tyranigtar was never intended to have multiple phases, that is pure 4chan fanfic.Disappointing, the idea loops around to being cool.
>>58873443The fuck are you talking about?
>>58873446Read the two posts above that one?That might give you an idea.
>>58873456Zirca's been dead for a long ass time, why should you care that this thread dies with that?
>>58873421>1660 pages Nigga
>>58873462All that for a closed RP.
>>58873459Nigga I don't give a fuck about the retarded OCs and shit, I just hate the artist himself.It's really simple.
>>58873412I didn't know he got doxxed on here, did he use this board?
>>58871932pokemon crossovers aren't hard, just drop the pokemon in another settingthe real problem you're saying is that trying to world build pokemon into a coherent setting that survives being poked by an external influence is hard, which is a skill issue but whatever
>>58865138>/tog/What's it like in there? Last time I went I took a shotgun blast of femboy porn to the face and decided it wasn't for me.
>>58873477No idea. It just happened one day. I doubt it, however. Somewhere in that RetroSpring archive is a screenshot of the time that he addressed the 4chan mocking of him (but not the doxxing, so I assume that had not happened yet). I actually looked up “Nyantcha 4chan” just to see if anything related would come up. It didn’t, but I did find somebody on Plebbit saying that he also drew an unhinged Tartaglia rape doujin and that apparently he’s known for rape and cuck porn. So I guess that one guy is right.
>>58873421This stupid femboy and his porn makes me unreasonably hard every time I see him
>>58873495>sheThey didn't know...
>>58871932Isn't the problem more so the unstoppable omnicidal maniac?
>>58873487drop Pokemon in mass effect
>>58873529>mass effectYes one of the infamously easiest settings to do crossovers in. No sarcasm, just have poke-earth replace real earth like everyone else already does.
>>58873529It ends in sex, you can literally fuck anything that moves there except batarians
>>58873529yep dropping a pokemon in ME would work just finediverse alien species which require radical translation hardware with weird space magic? they'd fit right in, nobody would blink beyond how powerful they could scale
Alright then, Pokémon in your favorite romcom haremshit
>>58873538>fight off the Reapers with a Rayquaza that bonded with ShepardMight be cool if the story ever got to that point. In my experience Mass Effect stories usually die a slow death.
>>58873542Monster Musume
>>58873547In my experience people only really do it for first contact stuff and/or clowning of the ME races since they're pretty hatable.Honestly I just like first contact stories, I'm not fond of the Reapers. ME is just convenient as a setting.
The only thing stopping me from a Fate crossover is there's not enough historical figures in the Pokemon World to make Servants out of.
>>58873557Just rip them off, it's not like Fate uses just real historical characters so adapt their legends to regions.Just be ready to face that fanbase autism
>>58873557You could make some up.
>>58873557Use the real nigga
>>58873565>>58873575>>58873576But it won't have the same weight to any reveals I do of their identities because I'll also need to explain to the reader who they are in the first place, when the concept relies on you at least having a passing knowledge of the real legends servants are based on.
>>58873557Use the Paldean King and his Four Treasures as his Noble Phantasms or however it works I don't really know fateshit
>>58873557If Koei can fuse Pokémon with Nobunaga's Ambition, then you can do the same with Fate Stay Night.
>>58873557There's enough for a grail war. You can use the PLA protags, BW and SS heroes. Damos, AZ, the various ancient civilization kings like the one who possessed Ash, you have not-Nobunaga, Pharaoh expies via cofagrigus, Aaron, etc
>>58873584If I was gonna do it I'd probably make their Pokemon their NPs, or at least tie them to them somehow.I'm probably just gonna pivot into doing another Fatefic idea that's been kicking around in my head because I won't have to bend over backwards to do it and I can write lots of sweaty Mordred sex.>>58873594One of the appealing parts of the idea to me WAS the notion of writing an AZ that's still in his prime; not sure what class I'd make him though, probably Berserker. The Sword Hero's obviously getting Saber and the Shield Shielder, but the others would be a little trickier.
>>58873598>MordTruly patrician taste
>>58873598The SS heroes can be riders, since you can ride the legendary dogs. Speaking of, you can have an ancient draconid servant.
>>58873557What about Heath
>>58873642>FATE tries to invade Pokemon>gets BTFO by limitless paradox historical figureshow can you beat an enemy who can retroactively conjure great heroes that never technically existed? Unlimited paradox works
Taimanin Pokémon crossover, now that's impossible
Pokemon X Cyberpunk crossover
Yakuza x Pokémon crossover
>>58873672Nah, you use the horses and Tangelas.
>>58872918I really don't like when Pokémon has a big stakes plot, considering the franchise started with a kid traveling his homeland with magical animals
>>58873845That’s like… your opinion, man.
>>58873845If you're not saving Arceus from her evil twin, did you really go on an adventure?
>>58873845Big stakes as in dismantling a criminal org or beating baddies to save da world?
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