Ist der einstieg in pokeTCG günstig?

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>>58922856

>>58922484
>Was gonna say this is just a worse super rod (it is)
>Super rod hasn't been reprinted yet tho
Huh..

>>58922907
If we don't get a super rod reprint it might genuinely be grim.

>>58922912
Considering that got printed I don't think they're reprinting it. Since it's essentially a super rod only for water pokemon, reprinting it would make this completely pointless in comparison

we have night stretcher

>>58922912
You have sacred ash+recycler+night stretcher for one year. There are plenty of archetypes that don't even play rod.

>>58922952
it's not though, you can get up to 6 cards from the discard

>>58922952
>>58922971
It's gonna be sad to have to run extra cards to fill the same role as rod. I play a lot of decks that don't have much room as it is so the rod was already very nice for efficient deckbuilding.

>>58922856
The online client is free and a good place to start to see if you're interested. Physical cards are usually pretty cheap, especially compared to other tcgs.

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>lose to one card

>>58923176
Dragapult is a bad deck anyway.

>>58922980
Someone posted the updated translation last thread. It's literally just regular super rod, but for water energy/water pokemon only
It's not double super rod for 6 cards

>>58923012
They probably want people using energy recycler+sacred ash. but night stretcher is way too strong that there's no point using anything else. baby toedscruel is rotation too so there's nothing to punish night stretcher anymore

>>58923280
Sacred ash is more useful than Night Stretcher if your strategy is based around stage 1 prize 1. If you lose 2 of them, you can recover those 4 with a single ash then find them with pads or some supporters.
Stretcher is better for strategies based on powerful basics or 2-3 prize that you can't afford to spam.

Does anyone know how to play against Cynthia's Garchomp as Pult? Had a rough time playing that matchup tonight.

>>58923576
I've always spammed itchy pollen and iono while building up dusknoir. From the lists I've seen the deck requires items to function so getting a t1 item lock will stop then from playing the game entirely. Otherwise I just gust around garchomp and one shot any of the roserades they're trying to build up since they can't ever take out a pult in a single turn without them.

I am rooting for /ourgirl/ Cerys, even if she plays a cringe deck.

Multiple of my Pokemon friends are now playing Riftbound. History is repeating itself and I really, really hate it.

>>58924161
That shit will die in like 2 years max just like 2XKO.

>>58924164
I know but they don't know any better.

>>58924161
Riftbound cards read worse than early Pokémon cards. Tell them Weaponmaster doesn't actually Equip.

I will be quite happy to see Gholdengo gone honestly. Every time I see this deck on stream I just want to go watch something else.

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>>58924673

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I, Team Rocket's SISSYwtwo, JOBBER of the Pokemon TCG meta humbly kneel to:

Goldengho-sama, best deck in the format and my master.

Dragapult-sama, my one and only true love and post-rotation master.

Gardevoir-dono, who completely humiliated me as the psychic type representative of the meta.

Alakazam-sama, who completely outclasses my pathetic damage output despite being single prizer.

Lucario-sama, who easily manhandled me despite having type advantage.

Grimmsnarl-sama, who anally raped my weaknussy and first awakened my wish for BIG DARK-TYPE COCK.

Absol-sama and Kangaskhan-sama, who beat the shit out of me so hard I started being attracted to megadom almost as much as I am attracted to men.

Raging BVLL-sama, who'se incomparabily forceful thunder crushed my ass-womb entirely to the point I cannot bear CHADgapult-sama's children anymore like I wished to.

CHADrizard-sama, whose hour-long beatings gave me uncontrollable orgasms despite me trying to exploit his weakness with spidops-sama.

Spidops-sama, for his useful abilities allowing my whole ARCHETYPE to even be worth bothering with.

And finally, Diplin-sama, whose power I am scared of (I hope he doesn't kill my beloved dark type masters, but I am also too scared to help them...)

>>58924885
Just suck a dick, dude. You'll feel better and won't have to post insane shit like this. There's no way someone would take the time to write this if they didn't have something they needed to get out of their system.

>>58924885
>>58925277
/dbs/ was a mistake.

>>58924885
Mewtwo deck is a lie. It's actually the Spidops deck with Mewtwo being just a tool to use in specific situations.
All the times I won against Dragapult it was thanks to Mimikyu, Spidops and Sneasel while double Articuno protects everyone except the Spidop who are only evolved two at the same time (double Articuno is necessary because Dusknoir hits 130 while Articuno is 120).
The one time I lost against Charizard ex deck was because my starting pokemon was a Mewtwo. Mewtwo stays in hand all the time.
The same as above against Marnie's Grimmsnarl, Cynthia Garchop, N's Zoroark and Mega Absol.
The only time when Mewtwo shine is against Mega Lucario and Alakazam (the latter is more thanks to Articuno making the Alakazam useless).
Against Dengo, Mewtwo should only be used at the very end to take the last 2 prizes (energy switch) while the Spidops take the other 4.
Honestly, it should be called Spidops deck, not Mewtwo.
PS: Remember that Articuno only protects basics and only from attack effects, direct attack to the bench works fine.

They should print some usable single prize generics so I can groom you fuckers into playing Zorobox with the mind jack copy instead of playing fucking spidops.

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>>58925676
Too busy schizoing in Live right now.

>>58925707
You gotta bling those staples out. Can't go to work looking like that man.

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>>58925712
Sorry best I can do right now.

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>>58925676
She rotated two years ago, let her go.

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>>58925733
You'll fill it out eventually I suppose. My biggest wish is that they would stop making these ugly CGI artwork gold rares like poffin, nest ball, etc have and go back to these amazing looking plasma freeze era 50/50 gold rares. I wouldn't mind some of the retro styled ones like the energy retrieval you use, I was using switch in that style before they let us make the gold rares. If you're a poorfag I would rec you actually be conservative with your blinging obviously but it shouldn't take long to build up a surplus since you're given so much in this game.
>>58925756
Never. I miss this and the Hisuian VSTAR deck like you wouldn't believe.

I don't think I'm gonna hit arceus this time around, it takes 5+ minutes to find a game

>>58925837
It takes like 5 seconds.

>>58925849

must be a much higher skill bracket than you unfortunately

>>58925882
I am already at Arceus and with a meme deck. The match finding is fast enough that you don't have to worry about trying hard to win.

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>>58925764
>Never. I miss this and the Hisuian VSTAR deck like you wouldn't believe.
Be glad that they put zoroark out of its misery when they did. It would have suffered in the following year against
>Dragapult ex
>Dusknoir
>Wellspring Opergon (maybe)
>Briar (Charizard being able to easily set up a 3-4 prize turn)
And if it is a format where nothing else rotated: Regidrago lost city your manaphy then kyurem.

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>>58925837
Are you ok bro?
Are you one of those guys that runs the awful Charizard deck?

>>58925973
This is all true, but there was an unparalleled joy to be gained from going through half of your deck turn 1 to set up. It and Roxiechomp were very fun decks to play for that reason. Reprint battle compressor I beg.

The worst part about a evolution heavy deck is starting with one pokémon and every evolved shit that you can't use. Not a single supporter nor an item.

>>58926017
I'm hoping for a new big basic deck soon. You know they have to give us Mega Mewtwo at some point considering how good it was the last time Megas were around.

>>58926083
The only big basic I'm praying for is mega Pinsir. I don't really like big basics as a concept but I'll reconsider for favoritism

>>58925676
>>58925756
Slowking just doesn't hit like zoroark used to..

>>58926085
Pinsir like heracross will get the meganium tax. Expect it to have overcosted attacks

starting to like dumping

very toolbox style deck

>>58926120
I fear it may, but it's not that big of a deal if we still have access to things like Crispin and the attack ends up being something like GGC and we can have the option to either play it in a grass toolbox or play it on its own or with some kind of surprise synergy. Personally I am hoping we get some kind of Erika's generic grass supporter that accelerates one energy in addition to another mild effect, since every Erika's pokemon you want to attack with has the same issue with needing 3 energy to do so. On the same topic, I wouldn't mind a Tangrowth for the pile either but I'm playing the deck as a single prizer so I don't know how one would hypothetically slot in to the Vileplume version.

Jellycent ex locking the Gholdengo from using super retrieval is quite fun.

>>58926083
Mega Kangaskhan with Bouffalant and a lot of ice creams is a fun basic deck. Adding a psyduck and a Shaymin is important in this deck to protect the Bouffalant.

>love the idea of Absol Box
>brain too small to play it

Hear me out, Shedinja + Froslass + Volcanion ex + Perchaunt ex.
Or, before the rotation happens, add Devolution tm too.

>>58926943
Forget it, Pecharunt ex ability only works with dark types.

>>58926975
Error number 2, I was thinking of the old Shedinja.

>Pokemon is too easy.
Do any of you know any Magic or Yugioh player to actually even try to play the Pokemon TCG? It seems like Magic and Yugioh players are likely to play other TCGs sometimes but rarely if ever try and play Pokemon.

>>58927190

I’ve seen a handful of magic players adapt to Pokemon but I’ve never seen a yugioh player integrate. Egos too big, too confrontational, shit at the game, smelly, and childish people.

>>58927190
I used to play Magic and preferred it. I do think Pokemon is less complex and a big part of that is interaction between players, but it's also the amount of things that you can "do" in Magic.

>>58927299
>Egos too big, too confrontational, shit at the game, smelly, and childish people
Yeah, those are all things that make Pokémon bad.

>>58927470
Nobody at my locals is like that.
Every Yugioh content creator seems to be like that.

>>58927482

No joke every yugioh player who has tried to make the switch to Pokemon while I’ve been playing irl has been like that. Even the players who have been playing Pokemon for a decade but played yugioh as a kid aren’t quite right in the head. There’s something about that game specifically that weirdos flock to.

I have the feeling ex yugioh players who ruleshark. Like they would be the kind of people to bitch at "Iono... no wait first I attach now I play Iono"

Is my idea or most mega are not worth the 3 prizes?

>>58927661
You would be wrong. In the current meta prize manipulation is a huge thing. A 3-prizer and 2 two prizers is the same thing as 3 2-prizers being knocked out, or in an ideal situation.
>1 prizer knocked out (5 left)
>2 prizer knicked out (3 left)
>2 prizer knocked out (1 left)
>3 prizer knocked out (-2 left)
This effectively gives you "8 prizes"
Prize manipulation is a pretty intermediate stratedgy you see a lot in the top meta decks, and is also why suiciding a Budew isn't really that bad unless your matchup has Iron Hands ex / Togekiss.

You LOVE to see a slow playing Gholdengo get outplayed like that. What a rat. Deserved loss.

>>58927695
This is assuming the opponent can't gust.
I see it as 3 -> 1 -> 2 or 3 -> 3.
Even as 2 -> 1 -> 3 although the latter doesn't happen that often since the not many players risk their mega when there are only 3 prizes remaining.

>iono down to 1 for game
>boss for game
>monkidori raping my bench every game
this game sucks

>>58928320
>Deck weak to Munkidori
You're gonna have a bad time for the next year.

>>58928320
Just bench snipe bro.

>>58928342
what fucking deck is not weak to that card without also running it?
>>58928354
burning a supporter to only take 1 prize sucks, plus there usually is more than 1 to deal with anyways. being able to invest only a single energy into a basic to do like 150 damage from the bench over the course of the game is ridiculous.

>>58928374
Extremely aggressive decks that can knock out (and one shot) Pokemon faster than the Munkidori player can react to. Lucario is a great pick.

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>>58928374
>what fucking deck is not weak to that card without also running it?
Flareon

>>58928384
Is this deck even good?
I only ran against it twice in live and won both times without any issue.

>>58928390
No

>>58928374
Dusclops does 50 and Dragapult does 60. Munki dead.
Dusknoir does 130, Dusclops does 50 and Dragapult does 60. Two Munki dead and you get between 2 to 4 prizes at the cost of 2.
Tera Greninja takes 2 Munki at the same time.
1 Prize attacker decks can gust the Munkis, they won't have more than 3 in the deck in the first place (I know this is reaching meme status, but it's still better than the Tera Eeveelution decks).
Hard hitters like Mega Lucario (heavily dopped with drinks) can one shot things.
Counter catchers also exist and you can time it by sacrificing something like a Budew at the start.

>>58928374
Arboliva

>draw a dusclops and pop it on some guys abra with the ace spec energy
>does nothing
>look at turn log
>he played a battle cage while I was tabbed out and it was invisible for me
I hate this gay ass client

G block was really strong.
I started with a bad hand, but it would have been normally recoverable, but my opponent spammed Jellycent and Iono 3 times in a row while using Gardevoir ex and army of munkis to destroy the bench without me being able to use anything.

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gimmick monkey deck or gimmick ghost deck?

>>58928718
lol

>>58929186
if you mean okidogi it's probably better than whatever gimmick ghost deck is

My hand is completely bricked.
I bluff using some Giovianni and mega charging the Mewtwo (is usually in the hand all the time because that's the weak link in the deck, but it's still useful to quickly defeat the Mega Lucario or deal 330 with the belt).
Opponent was also bricked, concede.

>against gholdengo as gardevoir
>outplaying my opponent like fucking crazy
>putting him through the fucking spin cycle just to stay in the game
>play myself into a guaranteed win
>just need 2 turns
>client starts to shit itself
>nearly timing out between every action
>barely make it through and win

it taking 10 minutes to find a match really amplifies every game

>>58929471
Pic of your Elo?

>>58929474

I was 1850 last season and made the mistake of not immediately climbing to arceus this season. The result is my hidden MMR fucking the available pool of players.

Good night.
Next week, I am going to tweak my Rocket Spidops again to remove one Mewtwo for a Moltres because I just don't see how to win against the Mega Kangaskhan deck which only works thanks to Arven and Turbo Energizer and maybe the Bravery Charm.
That decks puts 2 Bouffalant, 2 Munki and a Mega Kangaskhan.
Nothing too dangerous if you have some meta decks, but it's absolutely impossible for my current Spidops deck. I know that the Moltres discard attack doesn't give prizes, but just removing that 360 hp basic that takes 60 less damage, the munkis remove 60 damage and it heals with a lot of ice cream should be a great help.

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>>58929516
>Moltres discard attack

>>58929531
Oh well, I guess I will just assume I will lose against that deck.
The other deck I don't have a solution against are the Munki heavy ones, Gardevoir ex or Froslass variant.

I've given up on playing rogue for rotation, all of my jank loses too much consistency with Arven and Iono gone so I just hopped on Zoroark and now I'm winning again. Feels good being able to actually draw cards and I get the mental satisfaction of playing a moderately complicated deck

>>58929577
If you want a draw engine try Bolt-Bolt. The feeling of drawing 15-18 cards per turn is pretty hard to match.

>>58929584
I thought about it, but I went with Zoroark instead because I liked having more options with the Darmanitan, Yveltal, the dragons, and Pecharunt in a pinch. Plus, it has a deeper toolbox than Boltbolt provides.

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>>58929577
Rogue jank decks have never felt the same ever since he rotated. This was the glue that held together your shitty meme decks
>Energy attachment + rare candy/pokemon search

>>58929606
I've missed a dark patch analogue for so long it's so nice to actually be able to push energy in this fucking game. I'd love a grass patch if we didn't have Ogerpon but I fear we won't get anything until that leaves.

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Rip this guy. I'm pretty sure this card is going to be unplayable for the foreseeable future except in expanded unless pultnoir becomes a rogue deck.

>>58929726
Most of his targets rotated so he isn't needed anymore.
>Genesect V
>Pidgeot ex
>Charizard ex
>Gardevoir ex
>Radiant Greninja
>Gholdhengo ex
>Arceus Vstar
>Regidrago Vstar / teal mask
Watchtower can already block ursaluna, kangaskhan and meowth. Yveltal can already negate latias. The only niche left is turning off pecharunt ex.

>>58929726
At least this was used a little bit. Tera TTar came out to tumbleweeds

>>58929536
bro, your enhanced hammer?
t. zam knower

If you are going to play trick hand Alakazam, remember to have a counter against Rocket Articuno.

>>58930173
I might put in 1 zam ex after rotation

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MegaDianciebros, the great cuckening is drawing near..... This april the 10th........

I realized that most decks uses 3 stadiums at most. Time to put a neutralization zone.

>>58930406
Stadiums are the ultimate high risk high reward card, they can be bumped out by your opponent for free next turn or they can cuck him out of the game effortlessly. I know battle cage and jamming tower have got me so many wins in the past year.

>>58929577
Define rogue, there's still a handful of decent singleprize decks left

>>58929577
Don't Zoroark decks get destroyed by meme grass decks?

>>58929577
Alakazam is going to get better once Iono phases out and I consider it rogue. Also zoroark might as well be rogue considering how little % of the meta it makes up for.

>>58930443
If Alakazam and Zoroark became good, the Rocket deck will become a good meta deck in the future.
Although the N's Zoroark can defeat the Rocket Spidops if they set faster.
Alakazam will definitely need their Alakazam ex or Lillie's Clefairy because Rocket Articuno completely shuts them down.

>>58930470
Beating a couple good decks is not enough to make one meta. You have to do well against most other decks in the format.

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Mewtwobros...... It was supposed to be our turn!!!!!

>>58930501
With Drag and Lucario being so dominant, why doesn't Mewtwo show up even in the B tier?

>>58930507
Pult kwabs mewtwo thanks to dusknoir / dusclops thunderclapling the spidops line. Also clefairy is a liability in case you want to exploit the weakness. Not to mention the old issue of not being able to reliable search for rocket's energy as running hilda in there is kind of awkward.

>>58930507
Because Mewtwo is shit.
I am playing with rocket deck and most of my matches against Dragapult are won thanks to my Spidops and Mimikyu (and Sneasel too if I do some early damage to the Latias or Fenadizipi).
Mewtwo is only useful against Lucario.
>>58930519
The dusknoir are busy taking down the 2 Articunos. They can't afford a third Dusknoir/Dusclops because the Mimikyu is going to snipe their Duskull.
You also have to make a situation in which both Dragapult are heavily damaged so a Spidops can deal the final blow to both of them, winning the prize race, but the victory is always a close one.

>>58930524
You clearly haven't played against competent pult players.

>>58930529
It's a matter of luck for me.
When I win, it usually goes with me taking down 2 Budews and 1 Dragapult, sometimes 2 Dragapults.

>>58930501
>Raging Bolt representation.
>Zero (0) of them are Bolt-Bolt.
Japan bros...

>>58930524
You really overestimate spidops. A single prizer doing 150 damage AT MOST is not that powerful (you will never have a full bench against pult, let's be honest here.)

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>>58930546
Crispin saved us from iono jank.

>>58930549
It does 180 without tools.
210 or 230 with tools. That's pretty good in my opinion since they charge very quickly so you can send them multiple times to keep taking down the opponents. You can use Giovanni to take down the Latias or Fezandipiti as long as you get the tool which you can find with Pretel or by drawing with Ariana + Rocket stadium.
Mimikyu is there to deal against annoying teras and deal some damage against the Dragapult. I don't use the Lillie Clefairy, but with that one, Mimikyu should be able to one shot the Dragapult.

Any thoughts on Diancie then for post-rot? I'm playing Honchkrow currently and while it's decent, consistency is always the problem.

If Colress supporters become popular again, I will definitely make a Slowking deck.
Imagine if someone uses Colress Tenacity on turn 1 and you happen to have a Kyurem and an energy in your hand.

Just play Dragapult. Stop resisting.

>>58931091
I do, I play the 2x Munkidori / 0 Dusknoir variant and I keep on getting fucked by my friend who plays Garchomp and I'm worried I won't top our 30th Tournament at the end of the month. Trying to figure out how to solve the problem but can't really playtest online as Garchomp isn't a common deck.

>>58931099
Add Dusknoirs.

>>58931118
2-2-1 and 3 Rare Candies is just a lot of commitment I can't seem to solve without sacrificing other matchups like the mirror.

>>58931142
Accept that your deck does better against some things and worse against others.

>>58931142
Why the fuck do you run 3 rare candies if you only run 1 noir? Cut two of them.

>>58931157
The candies are good for an aggressive turn 2 play for Hilda into Neo Upper + Pult which tries to shut down certain decks like Mega Lucario.
This discussion is making me want to rethink some of my ratios anyways as I don't think that Munki is actually a good fit for my midranged playstyle.

>>58931163
>which tries to shut down certain decks like Mega Lucario.
Just itchy pollen those decks if you want to win against them. I got stuck under item lock for a minimum 5 turns while playing lucario the other day. You are denying your budew its purpose.

>>58931163
If you want to play aggressive with pult then run the water ogerpon build.

>>58930501
What happened to froslass/starmie?

I finally faced a Hop deck in Live.
I don't understand the deck, it only hits 120 to the front and 30 to the back.

>>58932043
Are you talking about the Insta-Strike deck? It's a hyper aggressive donk deck that's not good.

>>58932053
Yeah, that one. It only works at the start, but it doesn't take enough basic to disrupt the strategy nor take enough prizes before the eventual turnaround.

>>58932030
Was already a worse version of Grimmsnarl man

>>58932030
Starmie is a joke, that's what happened.
Froslass is still good because of the damn munkis.

>>58930440
I'm not sure about the festival lead mu, it's probably bad, but with the new zoroark it seems you can play the game aggressively and prize race most of the grass decks since they use ogerpons as draw. also if you're teched for dengo you can use toedscruel to shut off max rod

>>58932126
It's kinda rough honestly, but if you're running the one with Darmanitan you can swing with it if they have a couple of energy in the discard later. It's a bad MU but grass is also not really good enough to consider at the moment.

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The reason why Rocket Spidops deck is bad is not because it does 180 damage at max without tools, is because there is no way to recover from a shitty hand like this.
3 turns only drawing Spidops and energies (which were all my energies).
You can run 3 Lillies, 4 Ariana, 4 transceiver, 2 Archers (useless in this case since my opponent didn't knock down anything before fully setting up) and 3 Protons, but you will still get this shitty hand very frequently.

>>58932184
True, Honch has this problem as well but more raw damage

>>58932184
Erika single prize doesn't have this problem and also hits for 240 every turn

>>58932223
Yeah, but that one has charging consistency issues.

>>58932247
Yeah that's my only complaint. I've been running Crispin with some steel energy but I don't have anything to actually use the energy so I was thinking about swapping to fire and just using a couple of Moltres for grassbox since I've been seeing it often. There's not a lot of decent tech options sadly so it's either that or Clefairy for Dragapult I suppose.

>>58932260
I just made an Erika's deck now using Meganium, I am going to try it now.

>>58932272
The deck loses 40 damage with a Meganium on board, and it doesn't have any sort of defense against Dragapult or Dusknoir without sacrificing more damage.

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>>58932272 (Me)
>>58932328 (Me)
Good night, this is the best I could do and tested a few times. It struggles a lot at the end due to the low damage.
I am thinking of increasing the bell line to 4/4/4 to keep the damage going.
Another issue is the lack of energies. 6 energies are way too low since gusting is the obvious answer to shut down this deck, maybe I need to remove one stretcher for an energy recycler or an energy retrieval.
The deck is fun though. You can use the tangela to find another tangela to find a bellsprout. Then in the next turn, you get to search two instead of one.
I put 4 boss orders since hunting megas with that bloated hp is a lost cause, it's better to bench snipe the weaker ones.
Against Dragapult, I only managed to win one in three matches. I started with the prize advantage and boss order was a big help, but it was 90% luck and I didn't field the Meganium since I needed Psyduck and Shaymin together (160 base damage was the bare minimum necessary to snipe Fenzadipiti).
Overall, this deck bricks less than Rocket Spidops, but is horrible against Dragapult because it hits less unless you tech something.
The reason it hits less against Dragapult is because the Rocket Articuno doesn't lower the damage Spidops does and while Rocket Articuno doesn't protect from Dusknoir two of them together forces the opponent to use 2 Dusknoir or boss order (and lose the 60 bench damage once).
On the other hand, I feel that I can tech something in the Erika deck just to deal against Dragapult, but I can't find it.

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Is there a current way to give him free retreat? Venu + Meg + Ogerpons + Meowth + Wally seems kinda funny but the 2 energy to retreat per turn is expensive.

>>58932439
I just run 3 tangela 433 victreebel and then the supporters. It's not so bad if you're doing 200/240 damage a turn if you can swing first or one hit their support EX. Dragapult is the main reason why this deck is really bad because you genuinely have no hope against it unless they simultaneously brick and you set up and don't miss an attack. I don't think I would put the Meganium line in it at all and I think I would put brave bangles in over max belt and run stamp.

>>58932496
mega dragonite

>>58932496
It could be just 1 with a balloon but everything else is either run switches or run a corny dragonite line to swap. Might be fine to just put in a switch or two and an umbrella. You don't really need to have this up front anyway, much less swapping it out every turn

>>58932583

Well the idea is to take a hit with Venusaur, find Wally with Meowth, heal Venusaur, and then potentially get Meowth off your board with its attack, putting the energy back in your hand for more ogerpon uses and another use of Meowth.

>>58932619
Attacking with meowth would be a waste since you'd have to put something new in the active (aka the venusaur) and it would get hit again needing to heal

>>58932663
Yea, but you do 60 damage and draw 2 cards while you do so. Like if there was a non-invasive way to give him free retreat next format (big air balloon rotates), it seems like a decent investment.

>>58932794
At that point just play an actual hit and run deck like flygon or noivern.. and hide behind walls they can't attack like mimikyu/cornerstone/milotic

>>58932799
This isn’t a full fledged strategy, this is a tech. The deck is going to have Meowth, the deck is going to have Wally, is there a way to finesse them a little.

>>58932810
You already have ogrepons on the bench anyway for them to KO, why are you in such a priority to remove meowth
If you're wanting a way to find wally again then it's easier to just mill your deck low so you can draw it. Doing more than 1 wally would require a lot more deck space and pal pads to achieve rather than being a "tech"

>>58932814
Why did Lugia enjoy attacking with Lumineon? Because it conserved resources and gave them another use of the ability while taking KOs or softening up targets. It’s the same strategy.

>>58932817
60 damage is doing nothing. even for venusaur it's only hitting 320 now, not even the minimum 330 number
120 damage could take kos on basic stuff
also lugia was a brickpile half the time so it had to use lumineon or you were sending up your only lugia to attack with which was overkill

>>58932822

And it’s drawing. And it’s finding supporter again. It’s okay if you have nothing to contribute, to can simply stop replying if you cannot help me.

>Play Festival Lead Apples at locals
>Go 3-1, final round is Dragapult
>This always happens every week
Rabsca is so flimsy. 1-1 is too thin, 2-2 is too much (dead cards in other matchups). Do I just take the autoloss or are there other techs to try (enhanced hammers maybe?)?

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INSECTCHADS ASSEMBLE
OUR TIME IS NIGH

>>58933327
You know, this one actually looks good, but do we have Beedrills besides this one?
Hitting 440 is nice, but that's fielding four Stage 2 pokemons.
Sure, we have the grass evolution stadium, but having 16 cards just to have 4 Beedrills is a bit deck expensive.
Green also lacks good energy searches, but at least this one only needs one grass energy to attack (Coolress and Hilda gives energy while finding useful cards for this deck).
I also don't think is easy to have 4 beedrills at the same time, even 3 is pushing it a bit because you need to get a lot of cards in your hand to make this work.
It doesn't help that Weedle is just 50 hp.

>>58933395
Forgot about the bug catching set.
I still think is hard to make this deck work.

>>58933327
This just means they're not giving every mega a card which is fucking pathetic considering there aren't that many to begin with

>>58932822
This is the mindset of people who think Budew is bad but then seethe when playing against it.

>Dragapult with budew, munkidori, clefairy and unfair stamp
This is how I can tell my opponent hasn't washed in three weeks.

>>58933531
Dragapult with Clefairy?
Is that for the sake of counter mirror matches?

>>58933327
>just set up 4 stage2 dude

>>58933539
Grass is at least the engine with the easiest time doing so.

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>>58933535
Also for Lucario. It has too much hp to be taken down by a dusknoir+phantom dive 330. It requires 8 benched pokemon for the ohko.

>maintenance still ongoing

>>58933539
Just doing 330 is enough to be relevant. It clears pult (bdif), only needs 10 more for megalucario (easily fixable), oneshots grimms, zoroark, garchomp, ogerpons and other supportmons such as fezandipiti and meowth with only 2 (and this is counting the active). I see potential, of course we'll have to wait and see how the meta treats it. The grass stadium seems a necessity for it to work so that might hinder it a little.
I could see a power play with secret box
>Ultraball/pokepad depending on what you lack
>Some random tool, too bad vitality band, defiance band and tm evo are rotating
>Dawn + jungle stadium combo
Now that I think about it most good tools will rotate out lol what's up with that?

>>58933848

froslass does all of that with basically no setup on a stage 1 and can do a lot more in the deck because it takes up infinitely less space

>>58933911
Froslass is also an entirely different deck with a lot more moving parts than "just put beedrills out lmao" that also doesn't want the mega liability out in a lot of cases. The biggest problem is sourcing the evo line but grass has ways to find it and this can also be ran with munki because all you need is to attach 1 to attack so you can set up munki while you work or some other supportmon you might want to swing with in a pinch or to cover another niche that isn't "just swing 330 every turn lol"

>been using the same energy set since 2016
>find new reverse holos I like
>$30 for a full set of each type
That's a lot to spend on just energy, but they sure are pretty.

>>58934404
That would actually be a decent modern single prizer.

>>58934093
which ones anon, I really like the BW ones from the ETB

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What are the chances Ansha will be a card in Perfect Order?

>>58934475
>Search your deck for two donuts
>Donuts are TMs but donuts
kek watch it happen

>>58934475
Sex.

You guys didn't warn me about Bronzong.

I gave up on Erika's deck. The biggest problem is that the Tangela retreat cost is 2 energies.

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>>58934414

Nah

>>58934758
It's just that there's no good burn deck.

>>58934758
4 benched magmortar, an arbok and a dream.

>>58934631
The Froslass Munki deck is evil and I'm tempted to play it.

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>>58934779
Which bronzong deck are we talking about? Froslass+bronzong to make up for the lack of tm devo in post-rotation?

>>58934794
It runs the usual munkilass combo in the back but irregardless of that an early bronzong can completely shut down some decks. Dragapult hates it. Variants will run Latias too.

Just got into Live since I'm bored with Pocket.
Been using the starter Dragapult but want to try something else. Any recommendation that isn't too resource intensive?

Also should I craft my missing card or wait and see if I get them from battle pass?
Which pack/bundle to spend the trainer points on?

>>58934882
>Which pack/bundle to spend the trainer points on?
Celebrations 6pack is the most efficient due to being a small set of high value card, so you quickly complete it and then everything extra is converted to currency.
If I remember the starter stuff right you have the cards to throw together a decent grass deck.

>>58935561
Evolution tm as a stage 2.
I can imagine the combo of the ace spec evolution stadium, and Vivillon, but that's using 4 cards on your deck (at a minimum), giving your opponent a prize and ceding the attack momentum.

>judge opponent to 4 and take a knockout
>flip
>recon
>recon
>meowth for boss

I hope you enjoyed this post rotation preview

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>Tfw get paired against the dragapult bandwagoner post rotation
>Mfw I got a megadiancienoir deck in me jansport
Can't wait for april.

>>58936368
Rocket Articuno removes half of the Dragapult danger. Have 2 Rocket Articuno on the bench and the opponent will have to consider to sacrifice 2 Dusknoirs or not (in a situation when they are 2 prizes behind already because they can't do anything before fielding their Dragapult).
Rocket Mimikyu

Why was I robbed of an Iono's Mismagius ex (Tera Lightning)?

>>58936580
>Unfair stamp
>Ko active spidops with Lillie's clefairy
>You brick because you have no backup spidops because you were trying too hard to prevent benched damage

>running stamp in dragapult

>>58936710
It's the post-rotation ace spec.

>>58936710
Pretty standard in the Tera Charizard build.
>>58936580
>Rocket Articuno
Is a sitting duck just waiting for a BO or CC.

>>58936759
My friend plays nothing but TR decks and he saves stretchers for Articuno.

>>58936776
That doesn't really help much when all your cards go down to regular attacks anyway.

>>58936842
The entire point is to stop Dragapult's bench damage. You just trade boss for stretchers at that point until someone loses but this whole argument is stupid and Rocket piles aren't real decks

what if we just get stupidly large hp and only damage-based attacks? no gimmicks

>>58936957
Grass players this is your mindset.

Wait a sec, Rotom Stick is kinda good...

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>>58937142

>>58937142
Mewoth/Petrel into Treasure Tracker with some poffins and an Ultra Ball isn't bad, it just isn't good. The problem is that there aren't a whole lot of good tools and you can't really go aggro early because you kinda need Counter Gain unless you do something like go 4x Ignition.

Grasspon is the most disgusting engine in the game and sooner or later people will realise that.

>>58937161

drakloak
>doesn't have a requirement
>is only worth 1 prize
>sees twice the cards

>>58936708
Yup, that's how I usually lose against Dragapults.
I win when they use the Iono or Unfair Stamp too early or when they use it, I get lucky and have an Ariana, a Lillie, an Archer or a transceiver.
I also have to carefully manage the bench so it has 2 Articuno, 1 Mimikyu and 2 Tarantoula or 2 Mimikyu and 1 Tarantoula.
At least in live, the win rate with this stupid deck is surprisingly higher than what I expected, I win half of my matches against Dragapult.
This deck always loses against Kangaskhan tanking decks or Munki Frosslass decks (although it wins a few times if that is a Marnie Grimmsnarl deck, but the win rate is still lower than against Dragapult).
On the other hand, this deck almost always win against Cynthia Garchomp, Mega Lucario, Absol Kangaskhan and Rocket Honchkrow.
This deck has 100% win rate against Alakazam hand deck.

>>58937161
LOL

>>58937161
Only for Raging and MeMe/MeVe decks, because their draw is connected to the damage.

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>>58937161
Grasspon sucks compare to previous counterparts. It's too much a liability and you need extra tools like energy switch for it to even work

>>58937180
Drakloak doesn't come online on turn one, isn't as efficient (pon draws and plays, cheating the energy restriction at that), needs to eventually be sacrificed to the evolution, requires two cards, and requires two turns (during one of which one of those cards can be sniped).

>>58937259
>Drakloak doesn't come online on turn one
sure
>isn't as efficient (pon draws and plays, cheating the energy restriction at that)
infinitely efficient and doesn't need to accelerate energy
>needs to eventually be sacrificed to the evolution
no, it doesn't
>requires two cards
what's you ogerpon doing without grass energy lol
>and requires two turns (during one of which one of those cards can be sniped)
if your kloaks are being sniped your opponent could have taken out a ogerpon 99% of the time, who cares

>>58937255
I think you're underestimating the fact that pon comes instantly online when drawn. That's huge for how well it feeds into itself and how efficiently it utilises the existing toolkit around it. It's just that it doesn't have anything to work towards beside itself and needs one or two different stage 2s to actually have a (not even that good) payoff right now (MV and Meg).
>>58937244
The fact that it lacks a real payoff is the only thing keeping people from seeing how busted it is.

>>58937269
Your deck gets destroyed by Bolt-Bolt or anything that can aggressively OHKO your Ogerpons unless you are playing Raging Bolt yourself and then it's just a race to see who goes online first. Good luck in April 2026 when all of your Sada and Earthen Vessel get thrown in the dumpster.

I've been playing Live a lot and wanna buy physical cards to play at locals. I've enjoyed Absol Box and Flareon a lot, but I don't know which one to pick. Help me choose!

>>58937269
It being a basic only mattered for raging bolt, otherwise you're not actually gaining a benefit by having it out that early there's no more aggressive decks like that. Terabox has glass trumpet if you wanted the same effect with more utility.
If you could run a shadowrider version in grass they would pick that over ogrepon every day. Not needing venusaur or energy switch to move the energy is far better for a tradeoff. You're over valuing getting it out early compare to needing to run all the extra support to move the energy

>>58937284
Both decks run like $40 each (Pokemon from the playing aspect is stupid cheap because of the people chasing for master sets). Just pick whatever you think you will enjoy playing the most.

>>58937266
>infinitely efficient and doesn't need to accelerate energy
Play + draw is more efficient than draw within the finite time frame of a real match. You're not playing infinite turns.
>no, it doesn't
One eventually does if you're playing pult, but if you're instead willing to dilute your deck with a stage 1 and its preevo just to have a draw engine be my guest.
>what's you ogerpon doing without grass energy lol
Jack shit right now and you better hope it stays that way.
>if your kloaks are being sniped your opponent could have taken out a ogerpon 99% of the time, who cares
Since you seem particularly dense I'll explain it to you. In most cases there will exist one turn in which the dreepy is on board and the kloak in your hand before you can actually play it. In that state dreepy is very easy to snipe, especially in the midgame, and your hand isn't safe either. It's certainly great if it comes out on turn two, but being a two turn two card engine makes it exponentially more of a liability the deeper into the game you are. Meanwhile pon does its thing consistently no matter when drawn.
Again, pon's biggest issue is it's going nowhere, but it's going there very fast.

>>58937284
Whichever you like both seem the same going into rotation. First purchases cost more as you're getting the staples, but after you can reuse them and just buy the new mons. If you dont mind having to share cards between decks ofc

>>58937290
>you're not actually gaining a benefit by having it out that early
You underestimate deck thinning as a universally good thing.

aight imma let you think ogerpon is broken

see you at table 2000 at naic

>>58937292
$40 is actually a lot for me right now. Trying to cut back on spending on my hobbies to put more towards my savings. I'm actually really not used to a TCG being this cheap compared to other ones I've played, it's a little bewildering.
>>58937292
I think I'll go for Absol first. It's had the more varied game states in my experience so far laddering and I figure it'll take me more time to get bored of that in paper play

>>58937350
If you are low on cash, play on Live first to test the decks, that game is free and you can easily build any deck you want with the ingame currency
Once you build a deck you like in Live, make the deck in real life.

>>58937365
I've been playing both decks on Live for some time now, I just wasn't sure which one to commit to in paper first

>>58937284
I haven't played mega absol much but flareon can be really annoying sometimes since it relies on noctowl and it's kinda mid against gardevoir and pult. but if you have a ton of dengo or bolt in your area then pick up flareon since from what I've seen absol does worse against those two than flareon.

>>58937269
>The fact that it lacks a real payoff is the only thing keeping people from seeing how busted it is.
It's busted but there's no real payoff? Listen to yourself lmao. Who is putting ogerpon and grass energies into their deck if they can't get a payoff using it? Drawing cards is not that valuable of a commodity in this game

grasspon is a good bench warmer but with nest ball rotating soon I don't think it'll show up more than solrock and lunatone will in the future.

>>58937460
>t. Guy who has 0 card game experience

>>58937489
Saying this while arguing grasspon is busted is hilarious optics

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>>58937460
>Drawing cards is not that valuable of a commodity in this game
Is that why every single time we get a Pokemon with a draw ability it becomes an instant include in every deck?

lilliesex

>>58937620
The distinction was that drawing isn't valuable enough as a commodity to be running ogerpon's massive package in every deck. It's very much a draw engine a select few decks can actually utilize.

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monke

>Sleeve Iron Valiant in the ETB sleeves
>Put it in my binder
>It's bent
Bros... why?

>>58934631
the tool drop one?
i did like 2 months ago
making a rotom box now

>Open pack
>Get Lopunny and Acerola's Mischief
Nice, I would've prefered Gardevoir but now I only need a "hag" card
Why is opening booster packs is so addicting, bros?

>>58937780
It's better to use Rotom instead of Bronzong if you want to make the tool deck.

>>58937780
Rotom has a tool based damage deck with type variety to abuse some type weakness, although it doesn't work against some like Mega Kangaskahn or the dragons without Lillie's Clefairy.
Arven and town store rotates...
Are you supposed to find the tools with Pretel?

>>58937639
>colour specific draw engine is used specifically in its colour's decks
You don't say?

>>58937780
The "fuck you you can't evolve" one. If it comes online early it neuters some decks completely. Munkilass to do damage, Latias optionally as an extra target for building counters. If you're playing Drag and you didn't get your evos out quickly you're pretty fucked, and even if you did get a kloak in it can outpace it.

Why is the game so bad at flavour?

>>58938610
You aren’t supposed to eat the game bro

How do you guys get new cards from a new set if scalpers buy them all up?

>>58938803
Scalpers buy to resell and the drop rates for chases are so shit the market is consequently flooded with commons.

>>58938824
Explain to a dumbass?

>>58938833
Scalpers buy to resell the product at retarded markup or open them to pull illustration rare cards to try and grade so they can sell for retarded markup so they open a shitload of packs and all the cards just get dumped on the market so everything ends up being cheap

>>58938074
It exploits the same mind glitches as gambling. Randomness is just that addictive to our monkey brains when we put something of value behind.
>Get a hit
>Instant dopamine release as you got something more valuable than the entrance fee
>Get nothing
>We'll get it next time
>Also failing only makes winning more sweeter

Happy ASC release day to all except for the fags that tried to sell me a damp psyduck for $15 a couple months ago. I'm hoping the pokepads get some reprints in a precon eventually because I only pulled one from my etb

placing/moving damage counters should be removed. Its like if in VG there was an attack that plays with the console's ram to edit your hp

>>58939091
No, it should stay.
You are just mad at the munkis.

>>58939099
no I've felt this way before le monkes, they only made it worse

>>58939091
This is an incredibly myopic thing to post unironically. This game is already so easy that literal children can pick it up quickly, and you want to make the game even more simple? Pathetic.

>arguing draw isn't great in a world where Chaipult ran balloon just so Arven would thin better

>>58938874
So these idiots basically made trying to get really good decks cheap?

>>58939119
I'm not taking about the simplicity of the game. In what world does it make sense that the characters within a game can manipulate the mechanics of the game itself? This isn't MGS

>>58939184
>arguing realism in fucking pokemon
Moron

Cinderace EX?

>>58939208
theres some decks out there built around it but cinderace doesn't feel worthwhile for the set up needed to attack with it

>>58938803
>How do you guys get new cards from a new set if scalpers buy them all up?
Anyone who actually plays the game buys the cards they need online. Only the people who would waste their money opening packs have to worry about scalpers.

>>58939231
Any deck that can run munki must be worthwhile.

>>58939173
Yes. That's probably the best thing about pokemon tcg. You can build a top of the meta deck for like 60-70 bucks from scratch. Then you will already own the staples so pivoting to other decks is dirt cheap. Oh and the community is huge to boot.

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This deck is cheap and functional. It has served me well on Live.

>>58939376
The energy Switch makes zero sense in this list.

>>58939380
Use it powers mewtwo in a single turn. It's pretty hard to keep up the manual attachments to actually use multiple mewtwo in a game.

>>58939380
It serves multiple purposes.
It gives Mewtwo the ability to attack as soon as it enteres (Mewtwo should remain in the hand most of the time because its a liability on the bench), it serves as a pseudo switch since everyone except Spidops and Mewtwo have 1 retreat cost and it also serves to charge a Spidops without any energy as long as you have two Spidops and two energies in the discard pile.

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I'll never understand the people that instascoop when they open up fez. Cruel arrowing is how I win all my games.

>>58939893
Players who don't play paper and don't know how to play through bricks or don't make decks that can play through bricks.

>>58939893
>>58940036
There is also pretty much zero penalty for instascooping too.

If my meme deck manages to get 1700 elo point does it mean that it's not that bad? I honestly feel that it's shit compared to the top meta decks, but it still manages to eke a win with careful plannng.
I went from 1500 to 1600 without any issues tonight.

>>58940404

most professionals can hit 1900+ without much effort so I don't know

>>58940036
This >>58940060
If I'm laddering I just scoop a game where I have a super terrible start. Like sure I might have a small chance to draw into something and make an amazing comeback. Or I can be partway through another match instead
I don't mind a fez start but if you're koing it turn2 im gone lol, there's no point struggling a comeback there when I can go next

>>58940477
>professionals
You mean child predators not skilled enough for the smash bros community? No one cares about elo for pctg live.

what is this schizo talking about?

>>58939893
Because it's faster to just go next.

>>58937711
It would have been good with the current Slowking so it doesn't rely on the academy so much.

>Opened 30 packs
>Zero Poke Pads
>I'm at around 100 total packs between Journey Together and Ascended Heroes WITHOUT a single Bellibolt
Humiliation ritual continues

>Open an etb
>Only ONE pokepad
And I'm supposed to be one of the lucky ones. Wtf, these were supposed to be commons, is pokemon company jewing us again?

>>58942054
>>58942219
same, not even a single honchcrow or pad, no like 5 erika cards
i did get a ir fan rotom for my zam deck and an ir mega clan lizard
i only buy a couple of packs and 1 etb for each set but this time i didnt get anything at all

>>58942279
4 ETBs (2 of them were Pokemon Center ETBs) and 4 3-pack blisters. ONE (1) PokePad.

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>>58942779
>intentionally short-printing a card from a limited set that they know players will need 4 copies of at the very least

>>58943027
They did something similar with psyduck being a promo from a product they know will be scalped to death and not printing on regular boosters despite being an instant meta staple only after a couple months later. I expect pokepad to be the same, just some humiliation ritual for players to remind them of their place.

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I am going to throw up.

>>58943287
It's not even legal for another two weeks, just wait a week and see if it drops.

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Moved to pure Bolt out of curiosity. It's more aggressive but Voltorb is way too fragile.

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Completed the Battlepass and redeemed like 50 boosters. Guess what card is missing?

Based on what I am getting Poke Pad is definitely short printed. Out of the people I know that have bought ETBs, the most I've seen someone get is 1, and a few got 0.

>>58943757
Pretty much everyone is saying the same thing. 0-1 Poke Pads per ETB.

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MOREHEROES26

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I got 4 in two etbs. Must be a skill issue

>>58944277
Your address?
Just asking, trust me bro.

>Infernal Reign doesn't let me click on a third energy for some fucking reason
Thanks PTCGL

>>58944277
Those swirl energies are sick. Do we have them on live I haven't checked

>>58944277
damn nice pulls. the holos in this set look great. I got a few from my etb that I'm going to put into n's zoroark

>>58944506
It's the basic energy for the mega evolution series. It should already be on live. The holo variant from Ascended Heroes will be there too.

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>>58944737
Aw I thought they had different effects but it's just a generic reverse holo. The swirl on that image looked better

Anyone know when we'll get the full art Zekrom on live? It feels bad playing poorfag arts

codes
>>58945459

>>58945294
I believe higher rarity cards are craftable 6 months after the set's release date. If you want them now you can see if anyone is selling ir giving away the etb codes since that will give you 2 zekroms
>>58945493
thanks!

>>58945294
I don’t think ETB promos are craftable, you gotta get a code

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>>58945294
They put the etbs on the shop, but you cannot get the PC stamped version without the code.

No worse feeling than losing to an Abomasnow.

>>58946552
You could lose to Rotom Box

New

>>58946742
>>58946742