There's a demo at PAX, post any discoveries>real Earthquake animation is back
>>59099528is the Stadium camera at least back for real? i feel like that's what was lacking in recent games more than anything is the camera work
Sick! Looks good.
>Enemy HP bar has percentagehuh neat
I don't need a Nintendo Online subscription to play this game on a Switch, right?
Makes me a bit nostalgic for when Pax was worth going to in the late 2000s and early 2010s. What a fun time, but evrn towards the end I could tell it was becoming more and more corporatized and less focused on just enjoying yourself. Last time I went it just felt like another marketing event with some community stuff on the side. Sad how things always go like this.
>>59099620f2p games never need switch online
Infernape/Gen 4 starters are in, going to just assume all final evo starters will be in at Launch
>>59099672I think they are saving gen 9 starters for the first tera format and gen 8 starters for the first dynamax format.
>>59099682There’s literally a Gen 9 starter in the pic, and we’ve seen Meowscarada in footage too.
>>59099672We've seen starters from every gen except Galar, for the sake of doubles I wouldn't mind taking a break from Rillaboom
>>59099672>>59099695Rillanigga is probably a lock, they gotta make sure the VGC metamons are in tact
Can any nigga at pax confirm marks/titles are in? <-important
>>59099713they arethere's an image of a rental toxapex with the sociable title out there somewhereit's probably on serebii but i don't have it on hand
>>59099713Yes we already know rentals can have them so transferred mons should keep them too.
>>59099707Adding Pokemon will be one of the main ways to make new seasons refreshing, they have to keep some important ones in the back
>>59099713found it
>>59099725>>59099719lets fucking GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OIIAOOOIIAOOIIAOO
Dragon Claw is boosted by Sharpness.
>>59099841>nothing with sharpness learns itMega Bax is getting this then probably
>>59099843>casual battlesThat's obvious.
>>59099727I'd hate the fuck out this
>>59099849It's more likely to be for Absol Z's Shadow Claw, or it's just a general mechanics update for the future
>>59099849i wonder if glaive rush would get the boost. the animation definitely makes it look like hes just stabbing a blade at someone
>>59099849please Game Freak
>>59099672Of course, they wouldn't all have had 7-star raids otherwise.
>>59099843wow i love 3v3 battles where everyone will spam mega salamence!!!
People jumped the gun on the mega before switching thing, it seems to be based on Speed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHCZAtGbn_84:52 and 6:15
>>59099841Haxorus sharpness real
>>59099727The M in the regulation name probably stands for Megas, I'm just now realizing.
>>59099888Actually wait the Trevenant was paralyzed, so no way it's faster. This might be a newer build where it's back to normal.
>>59099899This nigga retarded skull
>>59099888This clip doesn't show an intimidate mon coming in on the same turn as a mega.
>>59099943It does, watch the turn at 6:15
>>59099872Maybe they are getting rid of Rivalry since it will be tough to get specific genders through the rental gacha system?
Anyone new get Victory Dance? Im hoping for VD infernape, Hisdueye. Even Breloom, lopunny, or maybe even chesnaught
Do we know if they've changed multi-hit moves at all to be faster?They do something like that through video editing in this old SV trailerhttps://youtu.be/TxJMN0WRmYM?t=68
>>59100001Yeahhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/6WZBlMfyjvk
I have a very specific question I haven't played pokemon since XY but I have a hacked Switch, is it possible to inject a savefile with a full legal dex into Pokemon HOME and use these pokemon in Champions safely?
>>59100010Oh wow I'm actually surprised they didHopefully some of this stuff can make its way over to the main games. Battles are so unnecessarily sluggish nowadays
>>59099888Nice to hear the gen 5 trainer battle theme, always really liked that one.
Is Mamoswine in? Bax is probably bettter but I like him
>>59099841Probably just a future proofing thing. Also how about shadow claw or metal claw, those boosted too? Would it even be news?
>>59100018yes but we dont know how safe it is yes, obviously
Personally I’m hoping their balance changes end up being more useful than removing a move or two.
Any of you anons into VGC can tell me the exact speed treshold you run with Ursaluna to benefit from both Tailwind and Trick Room?
I don't mind the fact that not all pokemon are in. The only thing bumming me out is lack of eviolite pokemon. But besides that I wouldn't mind if each season has a different set of pokemon to play with, it would help make each meta feel unique. I know they already do that with the regulations, but as long as your pokemon don't disappear when they're not in a season I think it fine.
>>59100096depends what you're trying to outspeed/underspeed.
Staraptor is probably the only Z-A mega that'll see widespread use>Intimidate>Fighting type for stab close combat>had Dual Wingbeat>Roost to become pure Fighting typeHas like 40 other great physical moves too
>>59100096>to benefit from both Tailwind and Trick Room?I don't think this is a thing.
>>59100143With the crazy abilities we've seen so far you're crazy if you think Staraptor will be the only good ZA mega.
>>59100096Give it Room Service as a held item.
>>59100161I didnt say only good mega
>>59099727Eviolite mons are already confirmed not be in at launch. They'll probably add them in an update.
>>59099888It seems to work normally here wtf is happening?
>>59100153A lot of teams run speed on Ursaluna. On Trick room it's still slow and on tailwind is faster than maxpseed Ogerpon, Tornadus or bulky-slow Flutter.>>59100096If you're building for champions wait until the full list of usable mons is released to lock your speed
>>59100143Not Megax2nium?
>>59100224Might see some early use but it's a 2 hit K.O. vs any decent mon and it's big gimmick is still just a grass type attack...
>>59100230>big gimmick is still just a grass type attack...It gets a 150 power fire weather ball.
>So far only hisuian sammurott has been confirmed to be in the game Regional replacements are real
>>59100238Serebii has regular sam on it's confirmed list
>>59100224Mega^2nium is slow and weak to too much common shit I'm baffled people think it has any hope
>>59099905Trevenant has Natural Cure which cures status upon switching out, you can see it healthy again in 6:56. Maybe the ability triggers right before the actual switch out and that's why the speed doesn't account for paralysis?On the other hand Trevenant has a lower base speed than Mega Scizor but maybe it's max speed while Scizor is bulky.
>>59100303Forgot to point out, Trevenant actually outspeeds Scizor in 8:37when it comes back so it's definitely built faster.
>>59100288this but for mega gatr
>>59100329No one even has hope for the urinal
>>59100333Terrible design, stat distribution built like it’s 2013, no good movepool changes as far as we can tell… it’s grim. Truly unfortunate.
>>59100341I would say it’s unfortunate but the Feraligatr ‘fans’ spamming gay bara art made me hate him, so now I think it’s deserved.
WOW
>>59100153Yeah, it is, tailroom is a common thing for mons in the 70s. You build it to outspeed some threats in trick room and others in tailwind and you choose which mode to run at team preview based on the matchup. A mon won’t be EXCEPTIONAL in both but it can be functional in both which is good for flexibility.
>>59100367can’t believe they improved from this lazy shit
>>59100358Not immediately banning fags was the downfall of this board.
>>59100367but no animations that use the arm cannons
>>59100303It should still be slower, if is not cured yet so it counts as half speed in the switch order
Can you use other battle backgrounds or is it the same generic crap all the time?
>>59100236try to use that weather ball and you'll be one shot by nearly any bullet punch if the steel type doesn't normally outspeed it anyway
Look at this size difference, kek
>>59100411Bullet punch is not OKOing with 80/100/100 bulk.
>>59100416
>Mega Golurk getting Shadow Shield>Mega Staraptor getting Gale WingsCONFIRMNOW
>>591004165’11 vs. 6’
>>59100416Charizard looks like a Chud here
>>59100367He's kneeling to charizard wow
>>59100416Same energy
>>59100416>my ancestor :)
Spiteis gonna become a good move. Removing 4 pp from protect is going to destroy some pokemon, especially if there is a pressure mon on the field.
>>59100428https://x.com/i/status/2037081652875170022Nice try
>>59100460Why are Falinks and Golurk fans such unfunny attention whore redditors
Cancer spite reststalk pressure, imagine...
What teams have y'all been considering for doubles/singles?Heres my Day 1 Doubles team
>>59100472I think it's closer to the unfnny attention whore happening to be a golurk fan
>>59100494I don’t know who all is in. I’m going to be autistic and “win with my favorites” like Karen told me to
>>59100422band scizor ohkos with bullet punch if meganium isn't bulk investedi dunno why you wouldn't at least invest in hp but it's a possibility i suppose
>>59100494Mega lass is looking good and simple
>>59100494>AraquanidInteresting, doing what?
>>59100528Life Orb Wide Guard User,Arachnotron (Araquanid) @ Life Orb Ability: Water Bubble Level: 50 Tera Type: Water EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def Adamant Nature - Leech Life - Liquidation - Wide Guard - Protect
>>59100539Doesn’t it just die in one hit? It’s slow and fragile. Water Bubble is a crazy ability but like, it’s still Araquanid.
>>59100494I know nothing about doubles but I want to use gatr and Froslass eventually
>>59100539Golisopod gets wide guard too
>>59100450You can’t spite protect, because it gets protected
>>59100560anon...
>>59100450In old Champions trailers is showed all pp being at their original with no pp up buff. Spite would have been BROKEN if it stayed like that.
pressure spite still sounds kinda strong
>>59100547not exactly frail but it does have low HPI would like a wide guard user round out the team, araquanid rounds it nicely>>59100558Hadn't considered the Pod, though I'm not a fan of Emergency Exit
>>59100564I guess if you outspeed you can spite before they use their next move.
>>59100450I still can't picture it taking up a moveslot. Pressure will become more valuable, though it doesn't work against Protect.
>>59100577It could work on cheeky shitposter mons like taunt/encore users. Spite can be a real disruptor for a mon like that, especially against protect (versus most 8PP moves where if they’ve come out twice, they’ve arguably done their job already)
>>59099528That's a very tacky health bar, it reminds me of SM
Imagine this cancer
>>59100596Zoroark Hisui walls
>>59100037>Oh wow I'm actually surprised they didThis game is (yet another) attempt to get VGC recognized as an esport among normal people, they have to add as much QoL as possible otherwise everyone is going to quit after a week
>>59100596I tried something very similar to this in regulation F. I could only pull it off once, in the bottom of the barrel of rating.
>>59100612There are fewer PP now...
>>59100596What's even the win condition, lose in 7 turns?
>>59100539Is Leech Life there for any particular targets, or is it just to have Bug stab? Because even with Life Orb and max attack, Araquanid still won't be doing much with non-Water moves.
They better give Wide Guard to Palossand
>>59100625It doesn't matter, I couldn't even make a single mon run out of PPs in most games, it's just not good against anyone who isn't a bot. Much less in bo3 if you ever want to attempt that.
>>59100638To have Bug stab really, If you have suggests for a replacement move I'm all ears honestly
>>59100651Struggle bug. Lowers spatk, hits both. Volcarona runs it occasionally, seems an ok support bug move if you’re fine with doing negative damage.
>>59100651icy wind for speed control or struggle bug to cuck spatk
>>59100678Oh right duh, I had forgotten about Struggle Bug, I'll be sure to remember that, thanks anon
>>59100651>Icy Wind>Scary Face>Lunge>EndeavorShame he doesn't get String Shot.I'd also recommend Mystic Water over Life Orb, unless you need the extra strength for something specific.
>>59099841HAXORUS BROS... I'M ON HOPIUM...
>>59100596Any prankster mons that get spite?Imagine protecting under pressure, then suddenly the next turn you have 2 pp left on protect because a prankster mon spited you
>>59100712Mega Banette
>>59100712Sableye THE GOAT
>>59100712Weavile has Pressure+Spite and it's super fast. I was going to try it along with M-Gengar for a fun time.
>>59100780Non-prankster is better if you ever think you’ll run into a dark type anyways
>>59099528What I really want to know is if they finally fix pokemon doing their hurt animation when using protect against a spread move that hit other pokemon on the field. I hate seeing that since gen6.
>>59099528Does Android/iOS emulation work with these games? I don't have a Switch and want to play fullscreen.
>>59100948they're releasing a native phone version later this year
>>59100961So I gotta wait a while? Probably for the best. I'm worried about how much I'd dedicate my life to this game otherwise. If it doesn't work with emulation I'll be really sad.
>>59100973>So I gotta wait a while?probably? shouldn't be too horribly long thoughit'll theoretically be out before the end of the year, so if i had to guess based on nothing it'll probably be out sometime mid-late summer
We've hardly gotten any new info about Champions from this pax demo.
>>59101041The demo was really limited sadly and apparently if it's like this video, there was a Nintendo employee watching over your playthrough, due to a mix of the 2 hour wait time and probably not to reveal a lot. Gotta wait till the 8th I guess....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHCZAtGbn_8
>>59100073Mamoswine is in, he's in Wolfey's video
I have decision paralysis on what pokemon I should be preparing for this in Scarlet Violet right now where its easiest to build up comp mons if you grinded raids like I did. There are so many good pokemon at this point...should I just look at the ubers/OU shitters and spike them into a box with sets?
>>59100373hi kojo
>>59100494I love this team because its exactly what I am expecting and your ttar is going to get raped on switchin when you try it
>>59101102it's probably better to wait until the game is out and we properly know what's going to be available in terms of pokemon, moves, abilities, items, etc.right now there's still a lot of speculation in the air because we haven't seen enough to answer all our questions, and making a battle ready team in sv takes all of 5 minutes so long as you know what you're making
>>59101111>your ttar is going to get raped on switchin when you try ithit me with your best shot, what do you have in store for me anon?
>>59101163>have to wait until next month for showdown update to actually mess around with everythingahhHHHH
>>59101079Looks like they only wanted you to play with pre-built teams so nobody at Pax got a chance to look through all the mons and their moves.
>>59101305i think that indicates they don't want people to have solved the format on release day because they spent weeks practicing it on showdown ahead of timeidk how aware tpci is of showdown if at all and this isn't exactly smoking gun type stuff but it lends credence to the idea imo
>>59101328Nah the reason is the wait in line is 2 hours so they gotta keep things moving.
>>59101328Not really, it's just that live events need guidance
>>59099528Still has the same issues as all the pokemon games>click move>[pokemon] used [move]>wiggle model>stock animation plays>hit animation plays>"it's super effective!">"[opponent pokemon] was poisoned/burned/confused!"Meanwhile, in an actual good game.>click move>all of that happens at the same time.stadium had full unique animations with personality and yet it's still faster than the GBA games just by consolidating all the text into a singe moment.
>>59101079This seems to be the full game and not just a demo since all the menus and everything are there. It looks like accounts that started off with like 500k VP and the staff just threw together some random teams real quick on each setup. Pax is open for 3 more days so maybe once the lines die down someone will get a chance to explore the game a bit. The Nintendo staff are rushing people so everyone gets a chance to play.
So why does Slowbro Mega Evolve before Dragonite?https://youtu.be/yOQaWQj6Hio?si=4_iooy-l-wFcGU06&t=367
>>59101384It's been so long since we've played with megas in main games. Did the mega evolution animation happen depending on speed in gen 6 and 7?
>>59101388Yeah I believe so. Is it possible Slowbro outspeeds Dragonite? That would be a crazy stat spread for both of them but these teams were just slapped together
How do strictly in-game use abilities operate? Is Ball Fetch and Illuminate still in and just going to be useless?
>>59101396Unless I'm missing something it's literally impossible for Slowbro to outspeed or speedtie with Dragonite
>>59101396Dragonite attacks before Slowbro in that clip so it was indeed faster.
>>59101421Tailwind maybe? Choice scarf? It does seem very bizarre.Maybe the animation just happens in sequential order and isn't related to turn activation? Like maybe the way the game works is it always shows your mega evolution to YOU first, but then once all megas are processed it starts the actual sequence of turns?I can't think of any reasonable explanations here.
>>59101368Bro you know stadium and Colo are some of the slowest games right? People just don’t make cherry picking webms about them, like surf in Colosseum shows the animation for hitting every Pokemon separately
>>59101441>Maybe the animation just happens in sequential order and isn't related to turn activation? Like maybe the way the game works is it always shows your mega evolution to YOU first, but then once all megas are processed it starts the actual sequence of turns?We'd have to see two megas with abilities like weather setters to see if it still properly goes in speed order.
Did Furfrou get any buffs in ZA? Why is this random dog here in the middle of these actual good pokemon?
>>59101463It gained elemental fangs and some other stuff in Z-A, yes. It's a shitmon but it has a decent speed and okay-ish bulk in both sides so it isn't close to be the king of shitmons. They might've buffed it more in Champions with support moves or whatever that doesn't exist in Z-A.
>>59099849>Mega BaxAbsol Z definitely has it and they will probably give the ability to Haxorus
>>59101463>kid discover gachafodder for the first time in his life
>>59101463The same reason Ariados is here. Because it was in LZA's dex, and no other reason.Also, they need trash pulls so people can't just roll the rental gacha for all the good meta mons and have to transfer over their catches from the mainline games for the fastest advantage.
>>59099841I don't know why anyone takes this as a sign of anything. Technically origin pulse gets boosted by mega launcher but no Pokémon with mega launcher learns origin pulse. But you can copy origin pulse with something like mimic to then get a boost.
What is Mega Tatsugiri's ability?
>>59099747Based off of this is it safe to assume the Ribbon titles are in? Otherwise my GoD Ursaluna with every ribbon on it except the SS ones will make me very sad.
>>59099528Any known Eeveelution buffs?
>>59099967>Lopunny with VDThat would be absolutely fucked but I’d be all for it. Even though it isn’t in the game I also hope Victini gets it at some point.
>>59102262Sashimic Bond
>>59100238I don’t know where I saw it earlier today but there was a fuzzy looking screenshot of a box with both normal and Hisuian Typhlosion in it so I think it’s safe to assume if a Pokemon has a regional variant that both will be available.
>>59100494Still not sure yet but am thinking a Rain team might be a good starting point. Main reason I’m not sure is because I’m a sucker for mons like Clefairy, Porygon2, Dusclops, etc. that aren’t in the game at launch.
>>59101421Setting Slowbro's Speed IV to 31 shows it actually does speedtie
>>59101384I just noticed, when a hit is 4x strong, they call it extremely effective now.
>>59102262Instead of Dondozo's tongue Tatsugiri becomes Dondozo's penis and rapes the other trainer
>>59102372>all bulk dragonite vs the fastest slowbro alive
>>59100494Only playing fanhacks for long time so haven't touched competitive stuff for ages outside of reading them, how good is sticky web unga bunga team for current singles? Usually i do something like galvantula + mega magearna (mence/kangaskhan if shes not available) + Espeed user and 3 other hard hitters
>>59102372I think Champions has everything locked to 30
>>59102684Champions IVs are all set to 31
>>59102691I've seen people reporting that it's 30
>>59102692I've decided to check for myself. It should be 31 so the speedtie is theorically possible under unlikely EV spreads.
>>59102372>>59102613Champions rentals come with dogshit EV spreads of seemingly 2 random stats maxxed out. You can see a max sp.atk Toxapex with infestation as the only attacking move here >>59099747So it could technically be possible that this guy got a timid Slowbro with 252 speed EVs and the other guy got a brave Dragonite with 0 speed EVs to speedtie. The rentals never seem to come with any EVs in the stat their nature is negative towards and always have 252 in the stat their nature is positive for.
>>59102704That Gardevoir is from a trailer 8 months ago. If it was set to 30IVs it was likely a mistake. You can look at all recent footage and the IVs always add up to 31.
>>59099528Mega Skarmory has Good as Gold
>>59102765
>>59102710And dogshit natures (depending on the Pokemon).
>>59102765>turns into a fast attacker>gets massive talonsIt's blatantly going to be Tough Claws
>>59101368I guess it was too much to hope for that they'd speed things up for the "competitive" gameI've seen so many people defend the slow battles as trying to help not overwhelm little timmy (as if modern kids with their fried brains want to play something as slow as pokemon compared to their high-action fortnite/roblox) but there's actually no excuse here
So the only new info we got from the Pax demo has been.... Dragon Claw gets boosted by Sharpness?
>>59102710It would be cool if we had a stadium mode where you can only battle with the default dogshit sets
>>59102710So glad I have all my mons ready in the main games so I don't have to spend a billion vp fixing these dogshit rental sets.
>>59102789Big irony was the Wolfey take:>the battles go way faster. Not sure how I feel about it because it’s nice but it gives you less time to think.Most of the time you aren’t watching the attacks play out with annoyance waiting for the frame you can mash A again. You’re considering what to do without chewing your turn timer. Don’t Dawn Wings players specifically run Moonlight instead of Morning Sun (which would be strictly better since there’s one case with stronger healing) because the animation takes longer?
>>59102870I'm pretty sure the timer only ticks down when players are choosing their moves and not during the actual attack animations.
>>59102730At level 50 a 30IV and a 31IV are the same. What changes is that you only need to invest 4EVs for your first stat point instead of 8, but in Champions you can only invest “EVs” in 8-point chunks so it doesn’t matter. Normally you can only put 252 EVs in a stat (which would be 31.5 stat chunks) but now they allow 256 (32 stat chunks, as seen on screen) so you still reach the stat point total of a 31IV with 252 invested, and they give you 66 total chunks, not 65, which is the total you get to spend if you invest in 5 stats with 31IV rather than two (with two stats maxed you’d have one chunk left to spend at the end, not two).So the math is operating off of 30IVs but they’ve given you enough stat points that you can still hit the final stat values of 31IV builds.
>>59102870Moonlight at least used to heal more during clear skies/sunny day
>>59102889Morning Sun does. I thought both did half in clear skies, 1/4 under weathers, EXCEPT Morning Sun did 2/3 under harsh sunlight while Moonlight still did 1/4?
>>59102874Exactly. So slower attacks = more time to think.>>59102888>>59102730I mention the math because if you’re using smogon calcs, you need to use 31IV / 252EV to determine a stat. Champions indeed uses 30IV, but it allows an investment of (functionally) 256EV which smogon calcs don’t allow. 30+256 hits the same stat value as 31+252, so for checking a max speed value, 31 is indeed the correct way to set it up.
>>59102893Clear skies = harsh sunlightLooks like they changed it to be weather agnostic in gen 6, so it works better in weather where morning sun would be decreased and is worse under sunny day
>>59102870That's a fair point but they could balance this by raising the move choice timer by 15-20 seconds, the current 30 is pretty low
>>59102906No, I looked into it and weirdly, moonlight does 2/3 under harsh sunlight. The moves are reskins of one another, exact same healing effect.
The fuck is this game?
>>59102923How the fuck can someone who willingly goes on a pokemon board be this oblivious?
Has Alolan Ninetales been confirmed yet?
>>59103108Yeshttps://www.serebii.net/pokemonchampions/pokemon.shtml>no flygonKekaroo
>>59099528>still looks worse than the earthquake from PBR a 20 year old gameGrim
>>59103153PBR animations were peak. My jaw dropped when I saw Roar of Time for the first time.
>>59103153>>59103166Sharty = summonedThis thread = soon to be ruinedMods = will do nothing about it
>>59102997nta but i stopped following pokemon back when swishit dropped like a burst of hot diarrhea into our collective pants. i didnt know about this thing either until yesterday
>>59103177>no counter-argumentOkay, shill.
>>59102997Nigga last time I did anything pokemon it was X and Z, been away for a long while.Therefore stop being a fag and explain
>>59103153True
>>59103241>thread is called “Champions General”>he didn’t even go into google and type “pokemon + champions” to see what he could find
>>59103166I loved when spatial rend would split the camera in half
>>59103259you are my news source
>>59099672can't get over her downy face
No one's been able to go through learnsets right?Dying to know if this guy gets Follow Me as an egg move since Mr Mime was part of the trio that got it in >XD
>>59102830This. Multiplayer mode where both players get a random six of the default sets would be excellent.
>>59102710pbr rentalbros we are so back
>>59103302groudon.webp
>>59103125This isn't every known Pokemon, as we know Ariados is present. I think Serebii stopped updating the available pokemon list for Champions, probably because he doesn't want to get blamed for leaking things after Nintendo let him demo Champions.
>>59099620Oh no switch online is soooo expensive
>>59103302No, because the footage in the videos by all the people who got to demo the game is B Roll footage they were given to use by the developer. They didn't get to capture any footage of themselves scrolling through movepools, nor were all items available to them. The only new abilities the devs wanted them to know about were Froslass and Dragonite, they didn't even have access to previously announced ones like Mega Feraligatr (probably because the gameplay session happened before the release date video was uploaded with that information). Wolfey did what he could to try and glean some information, but all he had the time and knowledge to catch is that Gengar lost Encore, Incineroar lost Knock Off, and Raichu still had its important egg moves.
>>59099672Day 1 roster is gonna be all starters (except possibly gen 8 and 9), all megas, all mons with regional forms, all Z-A final evolutions, most VGC relevant final evolutions, and Pikachu.
>>59103338Gen 9 starters have been seen I would just assume they're all in since Incineroar is in and therefore there's no power level reason to keep any out. Starters are too popular having them all was a big selling point for the SV DLC
>>59102810Shadow Claw and by proxy Metal Claw too
>>59103302>No one's been able to go through learnsets right?The people at Pax are getting rushed into battles so they have no time to look at anything else.The poketubers who got to play it early only had a limited time with the game and so they only spotted a few things. Wolfey found that Incineroar lost Knock Off and Gengar lost Encore.
>>59103461>Incineroar lost Knock OffOh no...anyway
>>59103484>60 Atk Incineroar Darkest Lariat vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Delphox-Mega: 152-180 (100.6 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKOI'm thinking he is gonna be okay
>>59103499A lot of people don't know this, but Knock Off has a pretty good secondary effect.
>>59103571and it doesn't function vs mega stones so you'd actually have a reason to pick other dark moves in this format if it was still in.
>>59103577In gen 7 it still ran Knock Off all the time, the utility is just too good for a supporter. I think the only time it ever used Darkest Lariat was for the Z move.
>>59103499Gonna be really hard to focus on that phox when a competitive, contrary, inner focus mon with(probably) fighting or water STAB/coverage standing next to the it. Heck even the grass types have threaten him, a triple arrows from owl-H can put Incin in a compilation video.
>>59103331>>59103461Some people definitely got a chance to change builds, maybe they have to get lucky to have a staffer that doesn't care
are there any confirmed numbers on prices or is everyone just guessing. i keep seeing random things like starter pack is 10 dollars, bp is 8, membership is 60/year and so on
>>59103779https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s17ze2S7AHkIn this video a rep says 10 for starter, 10 for battle pass and 7/month or 50/year for membership
Tik Tok Smogon you will be C&D
>>59103858Nothing like paypiggies acting smug about being corporate cucks lmao
>>59103860Nah I just want smogon trannies to be rekt. Seeing all those self important assholes thinking they can ban status effects or Pokémon cry will be amazing.
>>59103866>banning Pokemon criesLiterally what the fuck are you talking about? How and why would they ban a Pokemon's cry? Retard. Bootlicker. Cocksucker.
>>59103597I think you guys are in for a reality check when people are doing Archaludon Sneedler Pelliper featuring their new best friend Mega Swampert
>>59103866Smogon metas aren’t popular retard, it’s all randbats and VGC. You’re shooting yourself in the foot out of spite.
>>59103917Funnily enough 3 of the mons you mentioned get killed by owl-H’s stabs while sneed is a phox victim. Pelli is the only one who doesn’t get killed immediately but it does take heavy damage from the phox and can possibly flinch haxed by triple arrows. It depends on the sets and where stats are spreads
>>59100494I don't have any Switch Pokemon game, so I'm at the mercy of rental mons. Gonna yolo this shit hoping enough other shitters try it so I can actually get some victory points.
Hopefully they update some mega pokemon abilities Gallade needs Sharpness and Mewtwo X should get Long Reach
need other gimmicks added expeditously i want to see how megas VS tera, or megas VS dyna/gigantamx will go
>>59104050>Long ReachWhat no, give him unseen fist
>>59104236Long Reach fits betterMewtwo X has stretchy limbs
>>59102923new battle sim that drops the single player content for a live service free to play model and way more control over what the rentals that are provided to you can doreleases on swtich 1 + 2 in like 2 weeks and it's getting a phone version later this year>>59102997have you seen the average day on /vp/half the board is generals for whichever children or pokemon people most want to have sex with, a quarter is generals for various spinoffs, casual playthroughs, nuzlockes, etc. and the last quarter are """discussion""" threads full of retards flinging their own shit at each other instead of actually doing anything resembling a conversationthreads that actually talk about games like this one are an outlier, so it's not impossible for someone who likes the franchise but isn't actively following it to have missed out on more recent developments
>>59104324Normally I despised mobile versions because they strictly limited console/pc release but for something like this it sounds pretty satisfying.
>>59104061Dynamax would mog them all
>>59102253Dragon Claw wasn't a slicing move before.
>>59104236>Unseen FistUrshifu is already overpowered in VGC. We don’t need a Pokemon with the highest Atk and high speed with it.
The interview where they talked about traditional pokemon battles being relegated to a F2P mobile game should concern everyone.ZA combat is shallow slop and they aren't going to come up with a better system than the legacy one we've had.
>>59103858Smogon has been around for over 20 years now. It's too late
>>59104418Good. The ZA battle system would be much more fun to play through gen 10 with.
>>59104736It's boring shallow trash.
chances mega gallade gets sharpness?
>>59104823>Inner FocusYeah he kinda has to, or else he probably loses damage when he mega evolves.
>>59104837Also, regular Gallade having Steadfast/Justified and then switching to Sharpness after Mega Evolving will be the most interesting outcome for competitive play.
>>59103866Post elo
>>59104837>or else he probably loses damage when he mega evolves.Quite a few new megas are like that Emboar(reckless is better)Dragonite(physical version)Staraptor(even if the defiance leak is correct or fake it's always worse)Feraligatr(unless you're specifically using normal-dragon moves)I understand they're bulkier and maybe faster in some cases, but their damage is actually lower than using their HA's with an actual item instead of a mega zone. 252 Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 333-393 (97.6 - 115.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO252 Atk Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 222-262 (65.1 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 Atk Staraptor-Mega Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 207-244 (60.7 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 Atk Tough Claws Staraptor-Mega Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 270-318 (79.1 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKOLike even non-choice band staraptor does more damage than mega staraptor without an ability(basing it off the leaked one). Hell even if it got tough claws it is STILL weaker than choice band.. Compared to most old megas it's hard to justify ever running a mega zone on these over actual items.. It's why I also hope gallade gets fixed because it suffers from this same problem. Other megas all seem to be fine it's just these 5
>>59104946Reckless is only better if you want Emboar to kill itself. They might want Emboar to be played more like Hariyama and Iron Hands.Dragonite was probably to avoid it just being an Extreme Speed spammer again. You'll still have Tera Normal Dragonite as an option for that later.Defiant Staraptor will be better for VGC. Feraligatr I don't see the point of. If you want a funny Dragon Type nuke you have Regidrago. Maybe Mega Feraligatr with Facade accompanied by a Prankster partner with Will-o-wsip might be kinda funny, but it's only going to be able to use Facade because it doesn't have Guts.
>>59105027First season will not have sub legends probably so no Regidrago for Gator to compete with. I still think it’ll be bad because it’s competing with utter bullshit like mega Metagross but if you wanna fune nuke with Whimsicott tailwind support you probably can
>>59103294I know she's SO UGLY
>>59105027Does Emboar get Fake Out?
>>59105090We know nothing about Emboar's movepool in Champions.
>>59105027Staraptor being unable to touch gholdengo pretty much kills it ever being viable in VGC desu. If it got scrappy then it would actually be better for VGC>Is immune to intimidate>Can hit with it's new stab close combat vs itAlso emboar would kill itself anyway, heat crash sucks so you're still using flare blitz. Mold breaker doesn't let it hit through anything worthwhile. It's all resisted hits like dragonite or your secondary stab deals with abilities like heatran's flashfire.
>>59105270>Staraptor being unable to touch gholdengoStaraptor got Blaze Kick in ZA.
>>59103302I hope my wife gets follow me in champions
>>59105316Hmm that does 50-60% to doubles dengo ev spreads, and it'll survive a make it rain only if the damage is shared between 2. Still I hope it'll be something better like scrappy instead. Defiant is too niche
>>59105351The only (likely) available Pokemon in Champions that have Follow Me available currently are Clefable, Togekiss, Indeedee female, Maushold and Lucario. It's as good a time as any to increase the number of Pokemon with access to it.
>>59105368I don't think Togekiss has been confirmed yet.
>>59105351Wonder if they'll buff healer or give it a better ability for the mega. It saw zero play and is meme'd on all the time..
>>59105392Audino and Salamence being designed in the same game is baffling.
>>59105392They should just buff healer to 100% instead of 30% chance
Levels don't matter like normal pvp, right?
>>59105444Both Champions and the main games have been auto setting everything to lvl 50 for a long time now.
>>59105381Not confirmed but a good possibility due to how strong it is.
>>59105470They are excluding some of the strongest mons so they don't dominate the first format. We've seen no Gholdengo, Rillaboom, or Bloodmoon.
>>59103338Toucannon is in, unless someone posted a lie on Bulbapedia: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_in_Pok%C3%A9mon_ChampionsToucannon doesn't have a Mega, a regional form, is not in Z-A and is not great in VGC (although Beak Blast is a potentially interesting move for competitive). There may actually be more Pokemon than we currently expect.
>>59105351There are so many shitmons that would immediately become viable in vgc if they got access to Follow Me or Rage Powder.
>>59105484Humiliation ritual.
>>59105484>But they keep Inshiteroar inI highly doubt they care about the balance of the format at all
If anyone cares someone made a pre-champions showdown server https://showdown-vgcpast-es.psim.us/
>>59105528Or Fake Out.
>>59105562I don't want to play until it's out, I don't want to have any ideas about the meta going in.
I hope shitmons won't get anything or else my clitty will leak.
>>59105562Without knowing all the mega abilities it's kinda pointless to test.
this game sounds like an arcade cabinet that takes pin pad or card ID
>Watch videos about "How to prepare for champions">Its all about meta teams and shitIs there a world where I can just play and have fun with my favorite pokemons? The idea that i can replay my games and build a team to use in Champions is very attractive to me, but not if i am just going to constantly get destroyed by the same fucking meta teams.
>>59105381I could have sworn I saw it in one of the poketubers videos preview
>>59105606I think there is a casual battle option. That's what I'll be using to start anyway.
>>59105606>play PVP game>get mad at other players trying to winWhat exactly do you expect?
>>59105612I hope its fun. I guess no harm in trying it, even if i get stuck in forever low rank. Trying different teams and working ways to make bad pokemons work somehow can be interesting.i-ill make Nidoking work somehow....
>>59105606Aside from teamcomp metafaggotry theorycrafting the only thing you can really do to prepare for champs is get the mons you want in the mainline games to transfer in through home. Every mon you send over with the correct nature, moves, etc is a ton of VP you don't have to spend.
>>59105641I am not mad, I just always thought it was cool that everyone has different favorite pokemons and teams. Having a meta kinda kills the magic of pokemonThat said I can see why people like coming up with strategies and such in the meta and why balance patches and changes are exciting for the community. Not hating, just hoping for a more casual experience or at least that the game gets more balanced in time.
>>59105685Well for what it's worth, Champions introducing like 40 new Megas at once in a pool of Pokemon we've never seen interact before, especially with the absence of Legendaries & Paradoxes, means there won't really *be* an established meta for at least the first couple weeks. Everyone's gonna be scrambling to see what works.
>>59105685Even in casual battles there will be Pokemon that get sodomized because Game Freak is too out of touch to realize why these Pokemon need to be buffed.
>>59105693Unless one of the new megas is so blatantly overpowered that the meta quickly revolves around countering it.
>>59105643Make a discount Ting Lu and catch people by surprise: alternate Horn Drill and Stomping Tantrum, Tantrum after Drill misses is 150BP and they can’t alternate protects because they risk the OHKO connecting.
>>59105693Come on now, we all know Mega Salamence is going to dominate unless they nerfed it to the ground.
>>59105685I honestly think Champions heavy monetization aspect isn't going to mesh well with the people it's attraching. Competitive players are interested because it's the new format and all but casual players probably just want to use the new mons ans build teams with their favorites. So comp players are just going to spend money or grinding to get the teams they want to play and casuals are going to leave the game once everything starts showing the signs of centralization and lack of fun content. I think it should at least have some single player content or meme modes so people can spend quality time.
>>59105643I found Nidoqueen is actually a little better in the Doubles format. The bulk spread makes sure no stats are wasted and helps it survive better. Meanwhile it's only slightly slower with slightly weaker offenses. If it survives just one more turn than Nidoking would have it's already given better value.
>>59105732Any real comp player will already have the mons they need to transfer from Home. They won't need to grind or whale.
>>59099528>no yawn clauseIt's over.
>>59105643>working ways to make bad pokemons work somehowGame Freak ensured that this can't happen for certain Pokemon.
>>59105696I swear all most mons need is a move or two and an ability tweak and they’d be fine.
What do you think the chance is that these two shitmons will make it in?Keep in mind, champions is not smogon, it doesn't have baton pass clause for singles. So conceivably you could just smashpass with these two (smeargle can do it too but its defensive stats are way worse) to any of the currently busted mega and just completely sweep out the opposing team if they can't OHKO either of these two. Also they are annoying as fuck to get outside of like GO right now (last game they were in was BDSP and you have to fish up a 15% clamperl and then evolve it with an item you farm with thief from a 5% chance on another 15% chance fish mon, 20% if you know about super luck). I don't see many players doing this so long as baton pass + shell smash isn't nuked from their sets in game.
>>59105732I'm going to be honest, what can you even fucking buy in Champions? Clothes and the battle pass? If you're playing competitively there's one thing to buy, and it's something that's only mildly worth it.
>>59105858There are so many abilities which could use little and obvious tweaks that would make them at the very least usable options. Run Away could guarantee escaping trapping moves and Pursuit (if they ever bring it back). Anticipation could give you actually useful information about your opponent's movesets and work for it's partner also. Illuminate could increase accuracy for it's team. Just shit like that.
>>59104946>staraptorWouldn't the fighting stab make it overall better still
>>59105881Champions monetization is essentially needing to play the main series game
Any news or ideas on when pokemon home will work with Green Leaf/Fire Red?Was thinking Champions could be a good excuse to get these games, but i am too out of the loop to know how long it takes them to get home after release. Might just get Pear/diamond but the price irks me. Never played them tho so I wonder if you guys would recommend them.
>>59105996BDSP were hilarious back in the day because you could literally duplicate the shit out of anything and glitch the game but they nuked all of that after ILCA's massive fuck ups. Now its just a really meh pretty 1:1 remake of diamond/pearl aside from some extra moves and the underground stuff being made more OP by a lot. You're expected to abuse the underground.If you want a game to prepare some mons for Champions, SV are much better at that and easier.
>>59105791You can't transfer mega stones, you'll have to get them in the way Champions allows you to obtain them.
>>59106143So far nothing has said private battles dont give vp so you can probably just farm with friends
>>59105996Anything that can send mons to Home will work. We just don't know WHEN they will add Home support for FRLG.Even if it gets Home support in time for Champions it's still the worst option out of all the Switch games. FRLG only gives you access to gen 1 and some of gen 2 mons.SV and ZA are by far the best. If you have both of those you will get access to any mon currently in Champions.
>>59106179You can't get VP from private battles. Poketubers who played early confirmed that you get no VP after doing a private battle. We also have tons of footage from Pax which is only private battles and no VP at the end.
>>59106143F2P will have to get mega stones from the store too. People with the main games transferring mons are still saving a fuckload of VP.
>>59105606If you're good at Pokemon enough you can compete and win with your favorite Pokemon as long as the Pokemon has a semblance of a unique gimmick. It's not that hard.
>>59106069>>59105996Can't you just remove the patches and not have the game update? BDSP is really good for gen 1-4 Pokemon. I found the game enjoyable but like every Pokemon game it's braindead easy.
>>59105606The best way to learn is by building a team of your favorites in Showdown and seeing what you lack or what you’re being countered by
>If you have both of those you will get access to any mon currently in Champions.You just made me realize there's no National pokedex anymore (old news I know, but I haven't pay attention to pokemon in years).What the fuck. What's the point of champions? Why not just add ranked in the mainline games and call it a day. What's even the fucking point of pikemon home?
>>59106269>Why not just add ranked in the mainline games and call it a day.They do have ranked, but the amount of bullshit you need to do ingame is insanely time consuming to even start doing competitive pvp. The entire point of Champions is to give easy access to pokemon pvp.>What's even the fucking point of pikemon home?Well the main point NOW is to get your mons from any Switch title into Champions.
>>59106269It will have the full dex eventually>Why not just add ranked in the mainline games and call it a day. Champions preserves mechanics like megas that were never going to be added to mainline competitive games otherwise. Also the mobile version makes it available for everyone basically.
>>59106283>It will have the full dex eventuallyI highly doubt Champions will have a reason to add unevolved shitmons.
>>59106304>have a reason to add unevolved shitmons.Porygon2, magmar and electabuzz are literally meta in VGC. Even before discussing singles ones like chansey They didn't add them (yet) because they didn't want to code an evolution system for the recruit. It's as simple as that. They're lazy as shit.
>>59106330Those are not shitmons. The few good eviolite mons could be added. The other hundreds of garbage unevolved fodder have zero point being in champions.
>>59106335You either add them all or none, otherwise you're as bad as smogon. Why is porygon2 allowed but not haunter? Considering absolute shitmons like ariados are in It's simply a matter of they didn't want to add an evolution system to the game. You can't even transfer nfe mons from the games avoiding the in-house recruit systems, they just don't exist in champions. It's just lazy
>>59106343Ariados is not on Serebiis list. Where are you getting that from?
>>59106402It's to be expected EVERY final stage evo will be in the game at this point.
>>59106510Damn I'd be pissed if that was my roll lineup
>>59106402>>59106510Serebii is also missing Trevenant, Joe must still be mindbroken from Pokopia since he's usually so autistic over correct information
>>59106510Serebii is missing several mons just from this pic, not just Ariados.
>>59106515what happened with pokopia and him?
>>59106522Switch 2 games aren't hackable or able to be datamined yet. So Joe no-lifed Pokopia to get info for his site. Pokopia has a LOT of content so he had to slave away playing that shit nonstop.
>>59106522Nothing, just sounds like he's spent an absurd amount of hours trying to catalog everything. Big varied game + no datamines now.
>>59106524>>59106526Huh I'd thought by now datamines would be a thing for switch2 Damn we're not gonna get those moveset changes pastebin lists for champions then..
>>59106527Champions is on Switch 1
>>59106528Ohh good then. That would've been so much data to manually sift through let alone in game interaction changes too
>>59106527Even without datamines it would be easy to document the movesets of each mon. They are all literally right there in a list ingame.What datamines for Champions will really show us is stuff like changes to mons that aren't available yet. We could potentially see nerfs/buffs for mons before they get introduced in a future season.
>>59105996the FRLG update for HOME will probably be at the same time HOME is updated for Z-A and Champions, they avoid doing extra updates for HOME as much as possible
>>59106510most not really viable pokemon that we've seen make it in so far satisfy one of these conditiions: >>59103338for example others we've seen are Garbodor, Emolga and Furfrou, all of which appear in Z-Athe one pokemon we've seen that is an exception is Toucannon: >>59105509
New thread >>59106611
>>59106618new bread
>>59104050Steadfast is total shit but Inner focus would be great for it without resorting to ruining the meta with shit like >>59104236On the same note Inner focus on Gallade Mega is likewise better than Sharpness as it is in most situations. stopping multiple intimidates/parting shot is invaluable
