Magnetic Parabolic Ampharos editionPokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch with a mobile release later. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.>NewsNewest Patch Notes: https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/71525/2026 Global Challenge I Online Competition happening now. Double Battles. Participants gets a Venusaur: https://news.pokemon-home.com/en/page/743.htmlGlobal Challenge 2026 Special Roster Released: https://serebii.net/pokemonchampions/recruit/globalchallenge2026specialroster.shtmlChampion Tier & Master ranks 1-3 unlocked for current seasonFree Machamp mystery gift code: CHAMP10NMobile release possibly leaked for June: https://xcancel.com/CentroLeaks/status/2041378934739108104>Resources and useful linkshttps://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/Community Tournaments usage data: https://pikalytics.com/Ladder usage data: https://pokechamdb.com/enNew Player Guide(NEW PEOPLE READ THIS):https://rentry.org/pcg-guide (now taking suggestions and feedback)Quick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 quick coupons, 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Mega Kalos starters and E-Floette require ZA transfer.>/pcg/ OP pastebin (use this if making new thread):https://pastebin.com/d2FJZdPh (embed) (embed)Previous: >>59224203
What Pokemon could they add to specifically rape Archaludon besides Landorus.
>>59227295UrshifuAny special attacker until they add AV
I made my trainer look gay as fuck to make my opponents even angrier when they lose to me.
Have you taken the snowpill yet?
>>59227295Gastrodon
>>59227318My run to double masters was completely snowed the fuck out with Aurorus, my run to singles masters was mostly carried by Magnetic Flux Parabolic Charge Ampharos. This game is so much fun when you just use whatever pokemon you feel like at the time.
Scovillain is just so fun to use
>completely outread my opponent>lose because he got a lucky 3 turn freezeUnfortunate doesn't even begin to describe my match.
Anyone try out mega chimecho?
>>59227372Is he?? What the fuck am I doing wrong?? I just click Rage Powder once and he dies
>Mega Slowbro stored power+decorate AlcremieToo gimmicky?
>>59227384people use it on meme boomburst sylveon copycat tems
>>59227390I would use alcremie on a mixed attacker. Not a lot of those but i guess mence when he comes around, maybe mega dnite
>>59227295Mega salamence
>>59227386You're supposed to do a big move with your teammate as using Rage Powder means the opponent is getting burned. Also it can really make teams with lots of physical attackers hesitant to bring them outFor teammates you can pair it with Dual Screener (Meowstic or Dragapult) to make it tankier. Another teammate is Mega Aerodactyl as your secondary mega as it's Pokemon that works both as a self-sufficient attacker and a support and can get away from not even going mega as long as it hits its rockslides and tailwind
>>59227384Yeh, it's like a benevolent Bronzong. I've been doing Cosmic/Stored Power with it in singles to some success.
>>59227318Honestly glaceon isn't even that bad in this meta. It's kinda fun
>>59227392Huh, boomburst must be a relatively new addition to its movepool
do i get more box space if i get to a high rank in singles if im already masters in doubles?
>>59227414Nah
>>59227384Took it to Master Ball tier in Singles. It's one of those mons that's easier to take out before it becomes a real problem than you think it should, but some people just don't how to play around it. I have run into more people than I should have who either open with Glimmora and try nailing it with EP after it goes mega or people who try to just brute force it with Chomp Outrage.
>>59227414
>>59227342>aurorus
>opponent hits a thunder and rain in a row>opponent only had to miss one of them for me to win I hate this gane sometimea
>>59227435Your more likely to hit two 70s than miss so idk why you're mad
>>59227435>A rainYou mean Hydro?
>people have started forfeiting early when their key pokemon gets slept by the coil milotic, or the coil milotic recovers all its health after they fail to double up and kill itdaily reminder the coil milotic spam will continue until morale improves
>>59227438A thunder and hurricane>>59227436Because if he missed just one I would have won
>>59227436Hitting two is 49%.
>>59227275>(embed)(embed)(embed)it keeps getting worse huh>>59224281Anon? Do you still want pokebase.app in the OP? Anyone else have an opinion on this site anon is shilling?
>>59227493I've never heard or used it before, but I was going to add it to the OP before a different anon made this thread.
My team is hard stuck at 1980 why are there no good grass Pokemon reeeee
>>59227457Sure but that's not really how it works. You don't magically have a lower chance of hitting the next move just because you hit the one before
>>59227507mega venu
>>59227507>Venu>Grasscot>Contrarian Snake>Sinistcha>Whims>M-MeganiumThere's an entire team's worth right there.
>>59227526>Contrarian SnakeThat is NOT a good pokemon
>>59227513>but that's not really how it worksThat's exactly how it works. What are you talking about? If you throw two 70% accuracy moves, the chance that both will hit is 49%, the chance that either one or both miss is 51%.
>>59227533its a funny meme in singles, but yeah without specs, it has a hard time getting going even in singles
>>59227526I don’t want megas or support shit I want an attacker that can kill that filthy NIGGER Rotom and not die to Garchomp I love you Hydrapple but you suck
>>59227551how about mow rotom
>>59227551Then you probably want Sinistcha or be ironic and run Mowtom
>win without losing any of your pokemonso what do you just have to get lucky on turn 1 and they rage quit or just get a crazy good matchup
>>59227585A good read also minimizes damage taken on your side. Or you can try singles
im winning too much
>>59227595You can only say that once you reach champion-tier
>>59227597Maybe what he means is that he's very low and he's winning too much because he's fighting a suicidal bot every other match. His win-rate has no business being 50/50.
Finally have my team ready
>>59227595I haven't lost since reaching masterball, on an 11 win streak now
was lurking in this thread here >>59226766 and I gotta ask, is Water/Dragon really better than Water/ghost?
>>59227613purely typing wise, water dragon is great because>part water means it loses the ice weakness>part dragon means it loses the electric, grass weaknessit all depends on movesets, abilities, stat spreads of course. But its not too shabby of a typing by itself. Water/ghost on the other hand, doesnt really overlap other than both being just good offensive typings in general
What's a good Rain team? I'm thinking of the following>Pelliper (Drizzle + Sitrus)>Heliolisk (Dry Skin + Sash)>Sinistcha (Hospitality + Leftovers)>Palafin (Ocean Tear)Can't decide what to put for the last 2 slots. Maybe mega but there isn't any that screams rain
>successfully bait kingambit into sucker punch so i can encore it and stall out its pp>lose because i thought he had one more sucker punch than he did>because i forgot about the one he whiffed into encore in the first placeI'm going to shoot myself in the fucking head
>>59227326I cannot wait til slug boy gets in
>>59227627Try Sableye or Klefke for prankster rain and support. As for the last slot, just rotate megas until you find one you like.
Butthead swap with farm girl when?Gal to OL conversion therapy when?Front desk girl EMERGENCE arc when?
>>59227639What the fuck are you even talking about
>>59227534That's literally not how it works
As another water-type competitive user, could Empoleon do as well as Milotic?
>>59227694Weak to Sneasler
>>59227700Yeah I suppose that does offset the benefit of having way more resistances
>>59227694ive seen some people test out with it>https://youtu.be/8kbpvwMnYIE?si=FzQvckdKy2pkHOLBthe idea of empoleon in this team is that it is very weak to incineroar, so you might as well capitalise on it
>>59227699Shiny Ocean Pattern
>>59227694less bulky and only with a little more special attack than milotic. steel typing is nice but also makes you more weak to earthquake, low kick, etc. might be worth as an alternative to milotic for floette.
Archaladon is still my least favorite pokemon to deal with. I really dislike it
Ive been trying hydreigon and I gotta be honest this thing is not that great. It's just barely too slow, barely doesn't have enough damage and man that typing sucks hard. Sad cause it's movepool is really good
>>59227792You either have to sneak in a cheeky NP or wait until Life Orb is in the game for it to secure kills.
>>59227665>doesn’t knowSudoku is the only way out for you
With all the hate for Basc, would you rather have FISHIOUS REND back?
>>59227318It's the only way to use Greninja in doubles so yes
Why didn't they give lopunny a normal stab move? Very odd
>>59227825> 252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Milotic: 178-210 (45.1 - 53.2%) -- 34.8% chance to 2HKO>252 Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Milotic in Heavy Rain: 117-138 (57.9 - 68.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKONo.
>>59227856bro, your tackle?
>>59227856if you aren't willing to gamble it all on mega kick you don't deserve to use mega lop
>Basculegion has male and female stat differences>the male gets higher atk than the female gets spatk>movepool has way better physical moves than specialWhy is gamefreak being sexist with fish?
>>59227858>in Heavy Rain
>>59227754I think I would rather deal with Dialga. It's even a monster in singles. So far no pokemon has made me more angry that this bridge fucker. And as extreme salt to the wound, a shiny one appeared for me in champions.What's the counter play against this thing that isn't Mega Lucario or Archaludon?
>>59227885I mean there are checks, like megadnite can just blow the fucker up with draco meteor (as long as it's not running spdef) but megadnite is just kinda whatever as a mega. My problem is if you aren't running a dedicated counter the thing just runs rampant if they manage to even get a single stamina off of a neutral or resisted attack. It snowballs fast af if you fuck up a single time. Also sinistcha being such a good partner for it doesn't help when that piece of shit cup is everywhere
>>59227606>4 mons weak to Gambithello darkness my old friend, you've come to pin my team again
>Playing ranked>Up against a toxic stall + snow team>Take out the snow setter (Abomasnow) and wait for the snow to end>More battling ensues>3 of my 4 mons are out>Only Corviknight remains>2v1 against Azumarill and Toxapex>They don't have any supereffective moves>My Corviknight has Protect and Roost>Figure I've basically lost but decide to be an asshole and try to waste my opponent's time>Keep Protecting and Roosting, occasionally wearing down the Azumarill>Azumarill is at 3% HP>It goes for Belly Drum>Fails>Opponent forfeits>I winI feel like in an official tournament I would've been disqualified for bad sportsmanship, but I'm pretty proud of myself that I basically managed to annoy my opponent into quitting when I was in a losing situation.
>>59227885There is like more than a 50% for an adamant sneedler to OHKO an arch with max hp granted you didn't procc stamina before.Most strong special attackers can bring it down to low with a decent neutral spread move.Not sure how common it is for it to invest in both hp and sp.defZard-y can OHKO it with a weather ball through max hp investment
This is the team that ended up getting me to master. Even in ultra you can get a lot of easy wins just by running uncommon stuff that people don't see often. Props to Tsareena, Drampa and Araquanid specifically, all very underrated and good against a lot of common threats imo. I don't know if I'll bother climbing further, if I do I'll probably switch half of them out for speedy fucks so I'm not as reliant on TR
>>59227275Why is amphros associated with dragons?Light houses I get, but I don’t understand why japs would make flaffy turn into a dragon
>>59228037Do I need skill for this team? Or is it flowcharty
>guys here is the team i beat the tutorial with
>>59228083You'd be shocked to know how many people are still stuck in ultra
Does stuff like last respects and rage fist really need to boost themselves by 50bp? Is it really necessary to have adaptability basculegion with base 400 power last respects when its whole team is dead in doubles? Like make that shit 25
>perish trapper doesn’t cover for his switch out turn and eventually loses That said, brining Incineroar even though there’s Corviknight and Milotic on the team preview was definitely a choice
Incinebros....I don't feel so good.
Psyshock on alolan ninetails is great lmfao fuck off sneasler
>>59228061You usually lead Slowking/Tsareena or Hatterene/Tsareena, depending on the other team. TR on the TR setter turn one and Protect on Tsareena if there's something that can threaten it like Sneasler (though a lot of the time they will just go for Fake Out), otherwise you can U-Turn out or even go for a cheeky Power Whip. After TR is up you pivot your mega of choice in as fast as possible and play hyper aggressively. Spider is there to spam Liquidation and Wide Guard, so slot it in if you think this'll be useful against the other team. Do note it's good even into Mega Charizard Y thanks to Water Bubble. As for the mega, I really just ended up using Drampa 90% of the time because Crabominable has a lot of tough matchups at the moment
>>59228124Or just bring a Normal pokemon
>>59228152>baracat shit on by catwifeBased.
>>59228155I've killed many a Sneasler with Extrasensory on Greninja
>>59228160Why is she so hot?
>>59228160She got nothing on her midget sister Weavile
>>59228170Both are my wives
>>59228152We have websites for this these days bwo. You dont need to take a phone pic
>>59228158I love it when my funny little lizard completely shits on the fat ghost fish.
>>59228213He so based for that
Finally made it to master. Didn't expect to feel so happy but I am.
>>59228124Last Respects would be better if it were 45 and went up by 45. Rage Fist is fine because you can basically attack around Ape and deny him the boosts. Doing that with Basc just powers it up. Going "up" 4v2 against a team with Basc can often be a loss because it can now has spammable adaptability Hyper Beam. Nerfing the damage down to even 135 would actually turn a lot of OHKOs to 2HKOs and add counterplay beyond "call its target and Protect right" or "hope your Normal type is healthy."
>>59228238Rage Fist always requires a little set up and most of the time if you see it coming, it’s easy to fuck them up. Like follow me would redirect a maushold’s beat up, you can encore lock annihilape when it bulks up turn 1 (if they’re dumb), and so on. Also that was a tera format so hehe, looks like I was immune to ghost this entire time, would be a shame if I knew you’d tera fire because literally every ape is and killed you. You also had indeedee as a great follow me user to be immune to rage fist.Basc doesn’t require a set up to get good, just have something be dead. The only follow me user immune is Maus, ironically, and while I use it, I can tell you it isn’t as popular as most other redirecters right now. I agree, shits overtuned at this power level, but I think it’ll fall off when more stuff gets added.
>>59228238Make it start at 0 and it goes +60 each time
>>59228155Psychic Noise on Noivern catches a lot of Sneedlers off guard too
>>59228037i fucking love araquanid32+ Atk Mystic Water Water Bubble Araquanid Liquidation vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 156-186 (100.6 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKOnow most charizards started running SOME bulk, but for the vast majority you can literally just one-tap them in the sun
>>59228057It's Japanese name is Denryu which is "electric current", "Den" is electric, or electrical but the "Ryu" means dragon in Japanese. So it's just a wordplay on it's original name going from just electric current, to electric dragon.
>>59228342Also has the immune to burn hax award
i am so fucking dogshit tired of garchomp on every team. gamefreak please, we don't need the fucker available right away every fucking game.
>>59228386Just be thankful they didnt allow amoonguss
>>59228393whataboutism is for faggots. as a wise man once saiddo not grade evils, for if one is worse then you may be tempted with kinship for the lesser.
>>59228386Should have played Swsh, no more low power level metas from now on :)
>>59228286Does noicern get taunt? Might be a good special oriented aero
>>59228152tick tok shitsler
>>59228397Your brain is full of fuck if you typed all of that lmao
>>59228449okay russian, why don't you go and die on the frontlines of a lesser nation
>>59228444>thinks sneasler gets worse with terrain>thinks that if indeedee gets added back, rillaboom won't beterrain is literally the preferred state for sneasler
>>59228466I've never played a game with terrain, how does it benefit Sneasler?
>>59228472Psychic terrain guarantees it'll be the fastest on the field by blocking priority, grassy teams are inherently weak to it and makes it take half damage from earthquake
>>59228472>>59228476also, terrains imply the seeds so sneasler starts the match with unburden active. so if you thought sneasler was degenerate now, we've so far faced a weaker version of the fucking rat bastard
>>59228461Brainrot lmao
>>59228485Sneasler being stronger in a vacuum is not as big a deal as Indeedee preventing the “I fake out with Sneasler and set tailwind” shit that’s omnipresent right now
>count sucker punches on kingambit because his sucker punch would ko my excadrill>stall him out of his 8 sucker punches>press my attack>sucker punch??????i literally had a fucking tally, i always count sucker punches for moments like this. i've done this for years, i know my fucking numbers. what the fuck is going on with this game
>>59228508>missed the leppa berry because he was too distracted making tick marks
>>59228508I had a game come down to my Aerodactyl at 1 hp vs enemy Kinggambit at 3 HP so we spent 6 turns playing sucker punch chicken until I attacked when he kowtow’d funniest shit I’ve had happen in the game
>>59228476>be me>be quad weak to psychic>like the terrain that makes expanding force the most unga bunga strat in the game because it blocks fake out against meyes, yes this is going to be fine.
>>59228564You run sneasler on your psychic terrain teams to destroy your counters, you don't bring it to the matches against it unless they are relying on fairy types you can dire claw.
>run into a second Minimize Sandaconda in sandstorm team this week>had Coil Milotic on the roster both times so neither was an issueWas gonna ask why are idiots suddenly using this shit, especially with Milotic usage on the rise. But of course the amswer is some youtuber suggested this crap.
>>59228598The irony
Are you a bad enough dude to run a monotype team to get to Master Ball in singles? I want to try it with a ghost team, though when I tried one in a casual match I got walled by Kingambit sucker punch. There should be ways around that though. Any suggestions for a ghost team?
>sableye thunder waves>my milotic gets full para 3 times in a rowi'm calling lies and deceit on the whole "we nerfed para" horseshit
>>59228618Could always just run willowisp on gengar and neuter any kingambits
I will keep using Perishtrap and I will not apologize for it
We need to have youtubers post fucking fake strats that don't work so I see that instead of seeing Archaludon + Sableye every second match.
Espathra is cancerous
>>59228683why would anyone post fake strats and lose all credibility? the only person I can think of to some extent if they were into doubles is verlisify. because he's genuinely serious about his builds when it's a meme
>Gengar mirror>Perish trap my own Arch and Politoed by accident>Basculegion and my own Gengar win anywayJ-just as planned
>>59228750someone elaborate on that nigger's mega absol strat that anon said he brought to the skraw tourney. what was that about
>>59228754We needed someone to record that shitter.
Getting one challenge ticket per night feels slow.How exactly can Extremespeed Dragonite help me speedrun getting Floette Eternal? I thought getting the right bonus cards could work.
>>59228774ive seen the strats and it kinda is cancerous, since you have to farm the really valuable bonus cards.Alternatively, just beg from the trade bots, i do it all the time
>>59228777Are trade bots actuality legit? I'm afraid of my Pokemon being flagged as illegal.
>>59228774As soon as you have enough go do the rank match asap, then return so you can pre-farm for the next night.
>>59228796well it is 'legal', but its all genned obviously. I have a mix of legal and blatantly illegal mons. The obviously hacked ones cant be traded through home.While the legal ones act exactly like normal mons. Lets face it, even if you are scared of bans or whatever, tons of unsuspecting people have traded for genned mons, either directly, or through the gts or wonder trade.If you wanna keep it all kosher, fine, but me im just hoarding legendaries before it becomes relevant in the future
>>59228796They are legal but absolutely not legit lolIt’s annoying at shit but this is the strat but you of course focus high value cards. You don’t need to reset the night after every reward battle. You just go back to the battle zone and farm a new reward battlehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFHpqAXG8
A discussion.From threads like these>>59227991Really makes me think we should try and figure out what is the best theoretical team you can make just from the starters, since people are STILL playing Champions like a normal gacha, and spending VP to still not make a team.For example this was a team i cooked up when i was just testing the beginner teamshttps://pokepast.es/477dac65577b665dits not like the best (i cant be arsed to figure out any spreads or whatever), but from the singular battle i did on the showdown ladder,i did get a win off an actual rain team
>>59228853I never played doubles in my life, but I got to master just fine with arch, sneed, pelipper and basc.My only experience with comp is playing ranbats.Though I did have sv so it was fairly easy for me to get thos mons
>>59228853Be the change you want to see in the word. Which team is the best to start with? Pikachu is stacked and has the novelty of a NFE Pokemon
How was a mega Gengar faster than my scarfed Basculegion?
>>59228868Timid mega-gengar outspeeds adamant basc.
>>59228853If some jp players can reach MB with the Pikachu starter team, anyone can do that if they work their noggings up
>>59228864right, but the core idea right now is that people are retarded.You know how easy it is to get mons in champions, and so do i. But for whatever reason, people dont wanna trade through home or whatever. Im just saying, that if we just GIVE these niggers a literal trainer code to copy and make as a template, maybe theyll stop bitching about how hard it is to win.>>59228867>Be the change you want to see in the wordIm literally tradeanon, op and guideanon all at once. I AM the change.>Pikachu is stacked and has the novelty of a NFE Pokemonfine, but someone really got to figure out the generic EV spreads and basic moveset, and leads for how it works. So far, consensus says that team is better for singles, not doubles
>>59228876real? give link
>>59228874Damn, good to know.
>>59228868Quash, TR, icy wind, are you jolly with 24 points of speed?
>>59228883https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzct6wwwLG0Granted it's singles but it still counts. Pikachu starts you up with 4 meta picks so it's not even a bad start
>>59228900ahh fuck, more shit on my plate.Thanks anyways, ill write a section on the guide on this at some point
>online tournament soon>still can't decide on a teamFuck I hate choice paralysis
>>59228949Cloud Nine Drampa to cuck weathercels
>>59228879You could make 2 or 3 retard proof teams with instructions, but those aren't really evergreen considering this is a rotating format.Unless you're willing to make new teams every new format
>>59228958well obviously not.Best we can do is hone the starter teams to the best of our abilities. The only thing we can realistically provide is a floor so that people like this >>59227991 stop bitching and actually have a fallback 'good' team to use.Also im glad you brought up the evergreen factor. Since this game is still up in the air with how it will treat new formats, the only realistic way for us to go about it is to assume every starter team will be legal in every format, for perpetuity. Obviously there is a chance we have formats like NFE which that is not the case, but until proven otherwise, there just isnt a better way to write a guide which doesnt get invalidated every couple of months
>>59228879I don't think you can teach retards to stop being retarded. Having our own team repository isn't a bad idea though.
>>59228037>frenchew
>>59228037Why not run a scarf on Tsareena with Triple Axel, Zen Headbutt, Trop Kick/Power Whip, and Low Kick?Jolly + 30 Spe 1hkos Aero, Sneasler, Chomp, Trop Kick basically always KOs uninvested Basc, Low Kick does a number on Gambit and KOs Ttar.The value is immeasurable.
>>59228037I will never understand why people nickname their pokemon. its so tacky
>>59228415>Does noicern get taunt?Yes, however Noivern's typing kinda opens him up to way more in the current meta than Aero's does. I love the guy but Dragon/Flying is AWFUL>x4 to Blizzard>x2 to Rock Slide>x2 to Dragon Claw/Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse>x2 to Draining Kiss/Moonblast/Dazzling GleamGuy gets absolutely fucked by every common attacking move in the game. Maybe, MAYBE if teams start dropping Garchomp/whatever fairy attacker he could start seeing more play but for now he's just food.
>>59229135Poor guy doesn't even have access to throat spray yet
>>59228683>Archaludon + Sableye every second match.I went up against this team the other day before I knew that video had come out, guy had no idea how to pilot it and I just smushed his Sableye turn 1 and proceeded to 2HKO his Bridge with Mega-Mega's weather ball.Guy also had Castform on the team, no fucking clue what his plan was.
>opponent sends out Mega Kangaskhan>skill swap away parental bond>forfeits
>>59228683What’s so bad about it?
>>59228683Does the Sabeleye carry protect?
>>59229149Other utilities for Skill Swap from just the last 5 games:>steal Incineroar's intimidate, swap back and forth between my own mons to intimidate infinitely>opponent's ninetales set snow, I was down to my last 2 mons being forced to send out M-Frosslass going into 1/5 turns left of snow, I skill swapped to reset it>stole Mirror Armor>stole Armor TailAlso for the first one, I got intimidate but the opponent's Incin kept his ability. Crazy stuff, fix your game ILCA
>run M-Alakazam psyspam team>suddenly everyone is Trick RoomFuck my life, I'm never getting out of Ultra am I?
>>59229153Basic idea is setting up priority screens to support Arch's already insane bulk, and leveraging either manual rain setup via Rain Dance Sableye or Pelly to start spamming Electroshot and build up your SpA. Arch's coverage of steel/electric/dragon pretty much hits every meta team for neutral damage at worse, and once you're at +2 SpA anything you pump out hits like a truck. Main counters are strong SpA sweepers of your own, especially bulky ones that can hit the bridge for super-effective damage like Earth Power, or strong fighting type damage from the onset to avoid stacking Stamina DEF boosts.>>59229157If it's the video's set then no, KO'ing Sableye turn 1 is often the best play to make because afterwards you can stall out whatever screen is set up and then attack Arch, especially if you gain weather control.
>>59229163Are you using it on non-prankster? Otherwise it would get blocked by type & ability right?
>>59229143I love the guy, his design is one of my favorites from Gen 6 and I think Inflitrator is an underrated ability especially considering the recent rise of Sableye, but man is he let down by his typing.
>>59229169I have it on Oranguru. Status moves hit past immunities
>>59229168How much speed investment is arch?
>>59229185Minor, if any at all. Most is HP/SpD, so you'll probably see either 32/32/2 or 32/25 and the remaining in Speed or SpA. Just fast enough to outspeed some things outside TR, but just slow enough to do the same under TR. The team does leverage Sinistcha's healing so it can set up TR if its against a TW team and wants to catch them off-guard. It almost never leads anything but Sableye/Arch so most don't expect TR to come out late into the match, which can be deadly if you're caught unaware and Arch has all his boosts up.
>>59227318I want to, was tempted to even ladder as mono ice. Did it on bug instead but not without tilting several times.Where do I get started on Ice teams, especially for doubles? Any guides on hand? I know almost nothing about it. Hisuian Avalugg + 50% defense in snow sounds like a dirty start on paper but no idea how it functions in practice. It does get wide guard, so you can play into AoE firefags.
>>59229190Really complicated board state into my team so I'm trying to game out how that looks.
>>59229083I'm a VGClet and wanted to go all in on TR. Besides, slow U-Turn is pretty useful too, and there's like 7 moves Tsareena wants to run at the same time.
>>59229165Run taunt or put TR in your tea
>>59229212Tsar really suffers from "4-move syndrome", as all her options are pretty strong. From my experience the Trop Kick/Low Kick/Triple Axel/Protect set seems to be the most common, although they're rarely scarfed. Zen Headbutt puts in serious work on surprise KO'ing Sneedlers, but they're going to Fake Out you 99% of the time anyways so does being scarfed really help in that situation?Mono-grass is kinda shitty typing as well. I'm sure we'll see her start to rise in this meta but she does have a lot of weaknesses.
>>59229236>they're going to fake outNo, that's queenly majesty i for brother, what the fuck.
>>59229236>but they're going to Fake Out you 99% of the time anyways so does being scarfed really help in that situation? ...What do you mean by this? The whole reason you want to use Tsareena is to cuck Fake Out users
We do have a lot of new ones to VGC.Trust me, use the scarf set. Surprise the tailwind aero with dead. Surprise the Sneasler with dead. Surprise he Ttar with dead. Surprise the Chomp with dead.Stop Gambit's gambit.Just do it.
>>59229179Abilities reset when a mon is switched out.
>>59229224I put Taunt on my Smogon Bird. Pretty much shuts down Faniggeraf. Dual Wingbeat is good for Whimsishit too since they love their Focus Sash, albeit not so much the ones with balk.
>>59229268While it's timely, and I'm try to sell Tsareena.>Time to gale wings dual wingbeat that Tsareenalol
>>59229075How both original and insightful
>>59229168That sounds disgusting. Does the Sableye also come with fake out?
Gliscor is actually a sick support mon on a sandstorm team. It's got buckets of utility moves like tailwind, feint, breaking swipe, knockoff, u-turn. Coverage moves for days if you need them, stab earthquake, electric immunity.It's pretty fast, its very bulky, Sand Veil + Bright Powder can just randomly win you games.I know you poison heal lovers are still sulking about no toxic orb. But ya scorpy boy is still damn good.Just keep him away from the snow teams
>>59229339It does.
>>59229339No. The youtuber build is rain dance, quash, light screen, reflect.
>>59229168>>59228683I wonder if you can counter this with Gallade, who can often OHKO Arch with sacred sword and a black belt.
>>59229363If they see a fighting type on the other side they will hit protect on Arch and reflect on Sableye turn 1.
Yep, running my week 1 team in GC. Stiiiill got it
How long do you stick with a team for?
>get flinched twice in a row and get hit by hurricane without rain get confused and hit by cinfusionI won, but I am still so fucking miffed
>>59229348I'm gonna try this, I've been wanting to use Gliscor. What kind of EV spread did you give?
>>59228152>lost one of its best moves>unfavourable meta matchups >STILL top three usage despite all of that >"OH HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN"
>>59229371They just burned my sneasler.
>>59229421Mines max hp 10atk 9spdef 15speed. I just kind of vibed the spread though.Atm mines running tailwind, feint, breaking swipe, earthquake. It pairs will with my 2 mega options ampharos and skarm. Skarm ignores its earthquake and feint + stalwart can guarentee kills through protect and redirect if you have speed from tailwind too. He can switch into mega amphs parabolic charge for free too. Also I have a t-tar for sand obviously.
>>59228152Sneasler usage is dropping off, this is gonna look different in a wee.
I don't even remember from the warm-up challenge, do we get VPs from competition matches?
>>59229477I hope so, every single team I've loaded against the past few days have either been sneasler or the arch sableye team
>>59229525Will the Sableye get my shitter ass out of ultra ball?
>>59229529You need to pilot it well. If you want a really free escape, use mega gardevoir + zard y along with speed control and helping hand.
>>59229529Yes. I feel like most teams bring phys attackers. Leading sableye and just throwing willowisps on anything threatening just wins me games,Slightly risky with the miss chance of course, but burning a garchomp or a basculegion before it ever launches an attack wins games.His move pool is super versatile too. Quash is sick, both screens, instant weather etc
When will rain get a mega weather setter? :(
>>59229582Great idea! We'll get right on with making mega pelliper immediately!
Twitch is doing a Pokemon Champions campaign in a few days for quick tickets, so I decided to go through the process of making an account on Pokemon's site and linking my Twitch so I'm ready to go.>kept fucking up in my main browser because their sign up process involves jumping to a bunch of different websites and I had to whitelist them, no biggie.>wouldn't let me sign up even when I temporarily disabled ublock and pihole completely>decide to sign up on my phone instead>"OUR SYSTEM DETECTED THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS">go back to my PC and try Brave instead.>pic relJesus christ, they're a bunch of faggots.
>>59229529If you arent already in Master, you arent leaving Ultra.
>>59229596I saw there was one of these Twitch drops things for quick tickets but I couldn't be bothered.
>>59229596I think quick tickets suck as incentive because the boxes fill up so quickly for new players who would actually want to use the tickets. The baseline should be at least 10 more box slots.
I don't think I lost much at all but my Elo was 1300 somehow. After a 12 win streak and steady upward win/loss trading over a few days I'm still only at 1550. Did I lose 80 games in my sleep or something? How did this happen??
>>59229659Maybe you lost to someone with 0 Elo.
>>59229659I was 1770 when I ranked into masters, but my head count on wins and losses was something like 23 to 5. I don't know how that compares to others.
>>592296591700-1800 is 50% winrate, any lower is negative winrate. so yeah you need to start winning more than you lose everytime you play& I'd say 1800-1900 is like 51-53% winrate, 1900-2000 is 54-59% winrate, 2000+ is 60%+ winrate
>>59229127My Talonflame is nicknamed Bravest Bird. I nicknamed it back in XY and it is one of maybe five Pokemon total I have ever nicknamed since Red Version. He is, indeed, the bravest bird.
>>59228160
>>59229163>I got intimidate but the opponent's Incin kept his ability.How could you tell if it was intimidate?Or do you mean it swapped out? It doesn't lose its ability permanently, its only as long as its on the field.
>people really hardstuck in Ultra when this shit gets into Master
>>59229788>hot monkey dik lives on
>>592297881400 is insanely low elo, though. That's like sub 40% WR which means this dude probably just spammed matches like crazy and got lucky off some streaks.
>>59229788lmao
>>59229779Yeah I got his ability, then swapped it back and forth on my side to mess with him. I thought I borked his switchout parting shot combo and he wouldn't have it coming back in but like >>59229266 said, no such luck.
>>59229788>1400What is that, rank 1,000,000 on the ladder?
>>59229788I wish the monkies were good
>>59229788Im still hardstuck in great ball elo hell
>>59229788why did you upload this image with an AI filter
>>59229788Getting into Master Ball with that isn't impossible at all. He probably had fun too.
>>59229802A lot of phones use filters like that so they can claim that they take """high res photos""" by just upscaling it.
>>59229788>send out an Arch and Pelipper>shock the monkey
>>59229788>1409How did a pokeball scrub get into masterball? Is this the power of win streaking?
>>59229825I'm telling you, that elo is so low that at thatpoint he was playing against actual children and just winstreaked against 4 year olds into Master.
>>59229799The monkeys are annoying because they're ALMOST usable.They have functional movepools with a lost of coverage options and general supportive/disruptive moves like fake out, taunt, yawn. Stats could certainly be miles worse.Their abilities suck ass though and may as well not exist.
God toxapex would be so good with levitate
>>59229839Lmfao what the fuck are you fantasizing about anon
>>59229788Did this dude only play during weekend mornings?
>>59229731It’s not based on overall win rate it’s based on WHO you beat
We need mobile to hurry up so we can farm the 70IQ poorfags in Brazil and India. I want easy VP.
So what's with every title being "the sociable"?
>>59229944Pokemon are sociable creatures.
>>59229944It’s the most common title in the games from least rare to most rare it’s like>sociable>weather and time marks>personality marks>the recluse And then “the Great” and “the teeny” are based on size where sandwiches can get you down to 1/64 chance
>>59229788>1400This guy lost a LOT before getting into master
I have a brain problem where i'll reach a personally acceptable elo but then an hour or two later i'll come back and do another match to try and raise it again and then have a losing streak and have to work to get my elo back to where it originally was. This has happened four times now. How do I stop myself.
>>59229959Recluse is technically more common than actually getting a Specific personality mark.
>>59229827>at thatpoint he was playing against actual children>In a children's game?
>>59229788>1409This is really bad. Your Master Ball MMR still goes up and down while you are in lower tiers, you just can't see it until you are in Master. This dude lost a ton and only ranked up through lucky winstreaks to have an MMR that low.
>>59229971Who cases as long as you enjoy the games you're playing.
>>59229788I don't even shit on anyone not making it out of Ultra anymore. There's actual competitive viability and variety because everyone is scrambling to figure out just how the hell to make it to Master. You get meta, you get anti-meta, you get odd team builds that are still capable of winning games. Meanwhile you get people in Master like your team that looks like a fucking bot team in Poke Tier.
>>59229788How do you even get into Master with 1400 elo? I was like 1700 when I ranked up.
>>59228853we have already gone over this, trickroom team with the tyranitar starter is free masterball. it's what i did and im also new.
>>59228900no, singles does not count
>>59230048how
>>59230045You would have to lose a fuckload in lower ranks and only progress through winstreak bonuses.
I got a Dragonite the Radiant and I want to use it next season
>>59228900Pikachu starter team gives you four meta mons (for both doubles and singles) and Azumarril who is usable.
I've been using bulk up mega gallade this entire time all the way up into masters thinking it's ability is sharpness holy fuck I'm retarded
The competition is in 1 hour and I don't have a team. What's everyone using?
>>59230230Coil milotic
Is there a way to see the exact sets used in that tournament that was just had? I wanted to see the spreads of the winner who had a kommo-o mega scovillian team but they only list movesets
>>59230230ttar, excadrill, incin, coil milotic, scarf floette, sneedler
>>59230230It's a secret, I'll tell you after I go 45-0.
>>59230230Mega Glimmora
>>59230230arch sableye
>>59230265I hope you made some surprise tweaks otherwise you might as well play open team-list with one of the most expected team of the competition.
>>59230230Delphox wife team :) >>59230243Check the twitter of whoever used the team, they often post them.
>opponent hits two (2) 75% acc sleep powders>opponent hits four (4) 90% acc heat waves>I miss my one (1) 85% acc hydro pump to lose the game
>make a terrible lead selection>claw my way back to a good endgame>get flinched>loseThat one stings
>>59230230Tyranitar/exca/whimmy/arcanine/aggron/rotom heat
>Basculegion is on every single fucking team I play tonightI'm genuinely at the point where I'm considering Dry Skin Heliolisk
>>59230411just burn it lmao
>>59230414I think I'm just gonna go for Intimidate/Crunch Gyarados
>>59228152THUNDERSTRUCK INCINEROAR WHEREWHEEEEEEEEEEEEEREGIVE ME OCEAN THEMED VIVILLON TOO
>reach 2k elo>get put back in my place in the 1900s range by mindreaders and those blessed by the gods of luck.Anyone else having trouble surviving in the 2k elo range?
>see H-Zoroark on my opponents team>game starts>he leads Charizard and Kingambit >predict his zard is the Zoroark and use Earthquake while my other pokemon protects>turns out the Kingambit was the Zoroark and his zard megas evolves into zardX and gets hit with the EQ>he Flare Blitz' into the Protect Failing my way to success.
I won 3-0, ending on a high note for that free cherish ball venusaur
>Just played a game where both me and my opponent had a mon survive a hit with 1% leftI'm now convinced that this is a mechanic ILCA just silently slipped in for hype moments
>>59230441>>see H-Zoroark on my opponents team>Just double protect first turn>Their Garchomp uses Icy Wind
How do disconnects work in this game? Is it a draw or a loss for both?
>>59230444I was thinking about all the gift pokemon being in cherish balls. Does it even matter when they're permastuck in Champions? The cherish ball animation in this game is ass.
So I see EV spread that adds like 1 point to both Def/SpDef. Does that really matter?
>>59230461Iirc it'll void the game and no changes occur but if it's the final deciding turn of the game and both players already locked their decisions, it resolves the match normally but will read you an error when you come back in if you were the dcing player.
>>59230474Not really. It's just dumping points into defenses instead of HP so it doesn't become even or round up to larger chip damage from sandstorm, burn, or poison.
>>59230490Weird, I thought I lost some rank after the other guy left.
what are people playing for the event? I'm still on my Snlw team. At this point it's the only thing I know how to play against most of the meta, but I also think that the meta has turned hostile to it so going is rough for me.
>>59230526did 6 matches so far, played against>standard sandstormloss, mirror match>standard charizard sun teamwin>mega floetteloss>the top 6 meta monswin>sun-rain-snow all in one team with both politoad and pelipperwin>a steel gym type leader whose mega was chimechowin
>>59230474If the Pokemon has a high HP stat like Basc, 1/1 in defenses is better than 2 HP. Still just a slight optimization though that won't really matter in most games.
>>59230441Kingambit is the most blatant H-Zoroark target in the game. The Zoroark player wants to disguise as something that will bait immune fake outs and close combats into it.
>>59230557Really? Why?
>>59230575HP is more valuable when you already have high defenses and defenses are more valuable when you already have high HP.
I miss having my immeasurably edgy trainer card from Scarlet
>>59230633I can't imagine how a trainer card can look edgy in sv.
>>59230575The damage formula is (VERY simplified) attack / defense. This means every point of defense gives diminishing returns, but it also means the first few points give a big damage reduction. If you have 50 defense and to to 51, that's an extra ~2% damage reduction. If you go from 100 to 101, that's ~1%. HP is additive. One extra HP lets you survive one extra HP of damage. It usually doesn't matter unless you're EVing to survive a very specific calc, but for example, on my Floette I'm EV'd to survive a max attack Kinggambit Iron Head and there's a tipping point where one extra defense doesn't change the spread, but one extra HP does, so I put the point into HP. Run the calcs and figure out which is better for your Pokemon. If its a Pokemon with min/maxxed HP and defenses, like a Snorlax or something, it will probably be better to get one extra defense than one extra HP.
>win 1st game with new team for the competition>feeling good>go into 2nd game>power goes out for 1 second at team selectionFuck me man
>>59230637You can do the pose where your character is putting his hand out and grinning and if you angle it right it can look like you're cupping an NPC's boob.
>>59230637Warning: very scary, do not click!
>>59230655My apologies.I didn't think anyone could make a decent chuuni pic in that game.I underestimated my chuunibros.
>getting a proper drip costed me 12k VPEh at least I stopped looking like an NPC
Why don't I see anyone use wide guard? Just bad distribution?
>>59230761Aero, Pelipper, and Aegislash are the only popular mons that get access to it.
>give mega venu another chance>tanks rock slide>flinches>tanks blizzard>freezes>gets hit>critthese slow tanky mons are such a fucking illusion man, you’re just a hax victim if you move 2nd in this goddamn game. I cant take it anymore lmao
>>59230761Your spending a moveslot on a situational move. Am I gonna put wideguard on aero over tailwind, protect, taunt, wingbeat, rockslide? That's tough, I use taunt, tailwind, etc way more often than I would use wideguard. Then again I'm masterball 4, maybe I just suck
>check my weekly missions>only one left is land 3 crits>0/3no crits in nearly 5 days, literally 0 luck
>>59230823train up and use the mons that have gauranteed crits like Flower Trick Meoscwauraord
You can win with ANY pokemonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDx7Ns9uoR4
>>59230851You can put maybe two garbage pokemon on your team before it really gets hard to get wins
>>59227275>Make a M-Golurk Trick Room team with Torkoal on it too>Torkoal ends up being the main nuke 90% of the timeI am considering dropping Golurk actually. He's mostly here to clean up things after Torkoal, but even then Torkoal is the big damage dealer.Who could I swap into the Mega slot for a hard Trick Room team here? Also playing with the idea of using Oranguru in stead of Farig because of Instruc shenanigans, but Armor Tail is way too valuable.
>>59230863The crab
How am I on a 6 win streak in master rank but a 4 loss streak in casual
>forcing them to double protect for the winthe trill of trick room, I LOVE FLIPPING COINS
Reminder to make all your team selection/move choices in your head first then in your head first and in the game at the last second. There is a "see opponents choices" hack going around.
>>59230973That sounds miserable
>>59230973Is there any proof of this?
I want to get everything in a Dive ball with a cool title, but for a few pokemon that would mean playing through XD, trading over a couple dozen dive balls, and catching basically everything through the Mirror B fights.....
>>59231054Of course not
Whats the best useless move to put on a pokemon to cause the most humiliation to an opponent when you use it on them just as you are about to win?
>>59231240probably fell stinger, since its basically useless but dabbing on a corpse and getting the boost is funny
>>59231240Hyper beam
>>59230973Or, perhaps, you're just playing very apparently. That's the problem when the meta is as centralized as it is. Every match plays 90% the same, barring random elements like crits, drops and statuses, because the match state is going to be the same nearly every game. Hell, that's one of the main reasons people fucking hate Sableye, because it has so many sets it can run that it becomes nigh impossible to predict what fucking horror it's about to unleash.
>try out the event>someone decided to dragon dance their Dragapult >turn 1>in front of my FarigirafThis is a singles player, right?
>>59230885>game that if I win I hit Masters>Guy is running a TR Mega-Crab team with a Slowking to set up TR and snow>Guy misses BOTH attacks from the Crab into my Mega-Mega, securing me the winFelt bad for the guy.
>My Rock Slides>Always miss crucial targets.>never Flinch>Their Rock Slides>Always hit>Flinch all the time
do I need to max IVs before I transfer mons over to champions or are they all set to 31? If I bring my 0 speed IV pokemon are they slower than the the trick room you get from the ranch?
>>59231363All defaulted to 31
>>59231363IVs don’t exist in champions, everyone is treated like they have 31 IV so your 0 speed will be the same as recruited and you don’t need to use bottlecaps. However your EVs and learned moves are transferred and snapshotted so make sure you have those right if you intend to move them out of champions
>>59231363IVs don't exist, everything is max by default
>>59231368>>59231372>>59231373good shit, thanks anons. I've been fucking grinding money for no reason
>>59231372Also nature mints are taken into account.
Just got into Master Ball. At 1730 ELO at the moment. I don't know if that's considered literally comical but I've only been playing Pokémon for a few weeks.Best "play" so far was predicting Amarouge swapping out, other mon protecting, and them bringing in Charizard-Y to set weather back from rain to sun. So I hit rain dance on Sableye even though rain was already up, and electro shot into the Amarouge slot, and that is what they did do.Worst thing was trying to Will-o-Wisp Amarouge turn 1 in an earlier game. It has an ability that boosted their fire moves so I just forfeited immediately obviously.Most unexpected win is somehow playing around coil hypnosis Milotic and sleep powder Venusaur side by side without any taunt users.
So what’s the tanking/VP farming meta shaping up to be? Has anyone found an optimal loss strat to maximize streak bonuses without ranking up out of Pokeball tier yet? Or did everyone just hit Great Ball by accident and now they can’t go back?I feel like it’s worth understanding at the start of a season since once you exit Pokeball you’lll never have the opportunity to farm bots for streak wins again.
>Accidentally click earthquake>Gonna ko my own mon>Enemy aero used rock slide>Flinched!>My ally mon is saved>All according to plan
>>59231426Losijg against bots takes far longer than losing against real players, I don't even know why you would be considering that. If you actually fought a bot, you'd know that they use shit moves that don't make any sense. They're free wins to get your confidence up. What does VP even matter if you're not trying to play the game?
>>59231426You will hard tank your MMR and brick your account for doing that. Just play the game normally. It drowns you in VP from wins, achievements, dailies, and weeklies. Anyone who has actively been playing since launch already has so much VP they don't know what to do with it.
Do you usually use Protect when opposing pokemon can use Fake Out once? Say, for Mega Aggron, is it worth it to set up Iron Defense and risk getting clapped for 9 damage? Part of me thinks it'll be wasteful to protect if they FO the partner pokemon instead
>Drop Psychic Terrain>opponent immediately tries to Prankster encore. >Kingambit uses sucker punch>Mega Dragonite uses Extreme SpeedThere are some real shitters in this weekend comp. I'm about to go back and play some Ultra Tier to have a challenge again.
>>59231505Most of the time you should be able to read who is getting fake outed. Which of your pokemon is posing the most threat to them that turn? Protect that one, or use it as a chance to switch mons and reposition
>>59231519it's quite literally any rank can sign up for it, so it's bound to be a large portion of people who are at like, low ultra, even greatball players in the GC
>>59231519We don't have a single terrain setter ability in the game so I'm not surprised that people don't know their effects yet.
Why does the game try so hard to ruin my win streak? I'm still in Pokeball for doubles and I'm battling people with a brain.
Why am I feeling performance pressure for a competition with no stakes whatsoever? I hate myself.
>>59230245>coil miloticYou're a bastard...
>>59229827Doesn't lose streaking stack the same way? So losing 4 in a row down ranks as much as winning 4? Or is it because of the protection from dropping below certain tiers?
>>59230230You can enter the GC after it's opened now by the way. They specifically changed that in Champions.
>>59231505Yes protect, usually they fake out so you can't hit their ally that turn and then the ally rains down something fucked up on you.
>>59231519Kek sounds like they just pressed skip on the tutorials. The usuals
>>59231551If Gamefreak really wanted to teach newcomers about competitive pokemon they REALLY should not have made the tutorials all completable by mashing A.
>Toxapex can't learn Scald and Knock Off anymore>it's only decent attacking move is Payback
New thread? I've baked before but I don't really like doing it, unless I can just copy the OP's text and link to the old thread.
What's the best way to ensure that Sylveon uses Copy Cat on its partner to use Boomburst? I'm guessing the first Boomburst user should be just 1 point faster than Sylveon? In this case I'll use Soundproof Kommo-o.
>>59231660Alright I made the thread, apologies if it's not perfect.
>>59231692Are you going to link it, genius?
>>59231702Asshole, how about you link it
New thread:>>59231688
>>59231713I wanted to link it...
>>59230822The most common spread moves right now are Rock Slide, Dazzling Gleam, and Heat Wave and really Rock Slide is the only one you need to worry about and only if you're running Zard.
>>59231505Ask yourself this, what are the consequences of eating the protect? Will it break a focus sash, or Gale Wings, or do enough chip for you to be in OHKO range of something you're calc'd to survive? Protect. Will it do inconsequential chip and, if it doesn't target you, can you use this turn to gain an advantage? Pick another move and keep your opponent honest.
