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>>59243766*haters
>>59243766>Harers
>>59243766Unova bait thread
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>>59243766Wait until old thread dies
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>Basic reading ability is needed to fully enjoy this gameBut reading " If we can win people's hearts and minds, we can easily create the world that I--I mean, Team Plasma--desires!"" Makes me enjoy the game less
>>59243766>Harembe
>>59243766>Koyawnie falseflagging thread #301839Kys fag
>>59243988It's okay. You don't have to appreciate good writing
>>59244059Um... that's trash writing. I like BW, but that scene sucked.Kicking a Pokémon was based, though. So I'll give it a pass.
>>59244070That scene ruins the whole story tho, you don't write shit like that by accident, it was done on purpose, they didn't care about writing something coherent, they just wanted to sell the game to edgy kids
>>59244070Explain how it is trash. I've done a lot of writing in my day, I don't see the problems.
>>59244091It just outs Ghetsis as a villain, but his design already made that obvious
At first glance, the scene in Pokémon Black and White where a Team Plasma grunt kicks Munna in the Dreamyard looks unnecessarily cruel—even tonally jarring for Pokémon. But calling it “bad writing” misses what the scene is actually doing.1. It establishes Team Plasma as genuinely dangerousBefore this moment, Team Plasma could easily be mistaken for just another eccentric villain team with a weird philosophy. This scene immediately corrects that.
>>59244105BW1's narrative is a house of cards that collapses 30 minutes in.You can't claim to have a "mature story about the ethics of liberation" when you immediately resort to cheap moral signaling. The moment grunts start kicking a Munna and Ghetsis is revealed as a cartoon villain with a literal "evil laugh," the philosophical dilemma is murdered.It’s a safety net for babies: Masuda was too cowardly to let the player sit with actual moral ambiguity, so he gave you a binary "good vs. evil" out after the first gym. If the antagonists are just hypocritical caricatures, N’s entire struggle becomes a joke and the player's choice is rendered meaningless.It’s not "deep," it’s just a hallway simulator that insults the player's intelligence by solving its own conflict before it even starts. Standard Masuda hack writing
>>59243988You're the kind of guy who thinks Vergil suddenly turning out to be evil the entire time at the last second in DmC is good writing.
>>59244109Maybe it wasn't supposed to be morally ambiguous and instead is supposed to be establishing why the Pokemon world works the way it does. You know, how the text of the game actually is instead of what you think it is based off somebody who looks like an obvious villain lying to you.
>>59244109nice copypasta
>>59244105>Before this moment, Team Plasma could easily be mistaken for just another eccentric villain team with a weird philosophy.Rockets traffic and kill pokémonMagma/Plasma almost destroyed Hoenn by reviving Kyogre/Groudon and are strong enough to steal from the biggest tech company in the region, said company is under the protection of the champion Devon's president is the father of Steven.Galactic outright nukes lakes and captures 3 legendary pokemonHow are the previous teams "not dangerous"?
>>59244115Toshinobu Matsumiya (lead writer) from an interview:It’s been 14 years since the first game was released. By now, people catch Pokémon without questioning it at all. In that context, we chose "Pokémon liberation" as a major theme to re-examine the relationship between humans and Pokémon and get people to think about them once more.[...]Exactly, that was the goal. We didn't want the story of Pokémon Black and White to be a simple tale of good vs. evil. We wanted players to wonder what to believe in when both sides seem to have a point. Even if there is a mastermind pulling the strings in the background, we wanted players to feel that ambiguity.[...]I wonder. Children can be surprisingly sharp sometimes. Even if something is logically difficult, I think they can grasp a lot of it through intuition. When creating a Pokémon story, we take great care to avoid the fixed notion that "it must be a simple story so children can understand it." From the perspective of a child playing, I think they would feel insulted if we did that.Source:https://web.archive.org/web/20110603070309/http://www22.atwiki.jp/bwhuman/pages/48.html#id_0291458a
>>59244091>N can talk to Pokemon>N knows Team Plasma is stockpiling the Pokemon they're seemingly freeing>For at least several years, not once did N speak with any of said Pokemon they were stockpiling>Even if you argue that N had tunnel vision, him talking to (You)r Pokemon should've been enough to have him at least try talking to say Alder's Pokemon>also Ghestis sharing the same phenotype as N but not being blood related is retarded writing that even TPCi's animation team ignored it
>>59244130>For at least several years, not once did N speak with any of said Pokemon they were stockpilingIt's pretty explicit in the text that they were very specific about which Pokemon he talked to, which leads to...>Even if you argue that N had tunnel vision, him talking to (You)r Pokemon should've been enough to have him at least try talking to say Alder's PokemonIt's also explicitly stated by N at the end of the game that talking to your Pokemon is what lead him out of his previous ideals over the course of the game. In fact it would be bad writing if suddenly at the drop of a hat he changed his mind immediately, people who believe strongly in something (especially from personal experience) will have a hard time changing their mind even if they actually try to. In fact, me saying this incredibly obvious stuff won't change your mind for that exact reason.
>>59244109This guy gets it.
>>59244128So exactly what I said then, got it
>>59244143N is good, the rest surrounding him is shit writing
>>59244122Never said they weren't
>>59244130>>N knows Team Plasma is stockpiling the Pokemon they're seemingly freeing>>For at least several years, not once did N speak with any of said Pokemon they were stockpilingWhen was this mentioned? I'm going through N's dialogue, and dialogue relating to him and can't find it.
>>59244143I never really thought of that second part. It makes sense actually. It'd be weird if he changed his mind immediately.
>>59244206Not real dialogue. However what >>59244143 is accurate
>>59244143>In fact it would be bad writing if suddenly at the drop of a hat he changed his mind immediately, people who believe strongly in something (especially from personal experience) will have a hard time changing their mind even if they actually try to.TRVKE, there are flerfers and young earth tardationists out there anon.
>>59243988You sound like the type of faggot that needs the obvious pointed out to you in stories in order to get it
>>59244282Projecting?
>Xitter thread
>>59243766>Basic reading ability is needed to fully enjoy this game.>"Harers"kek
>>59243766How's showing that your beloved game is made for 5yo kids who just learnt how to read a win exactly?
>>59244290No, just stating the obvious
>>59244367R is next to t and I was typing on a train.>>59244464Because a lot of you clearly can't read
>>59244109>pokemon always tells you that together with you pokemon grow. That is literally the theme of every pokemon game and the reason why mc is so strong>they introduce the thought of, that this maybe bad>during the entire game it is always proven, even to fucking N, that is not the case>hurr durr why didn‘t they say it‘s badYou really just need to read anon
>>59244130> I never expected to hear Pokémon say such things...> Your Pokémon look happy.> Still, this <lead Pokémon> trusts you for some reason. That's good! If every person and Pokémon cared about one another like you two do, I could watch over the future of people and Pokémon without having to liberate Pokémon from people who just use them.> It's about when I first met you in Accumula Town. I was shocked when I heard what your Pokémon was saying. I was shocked because that Pokémon said it liked you. It said it wanted to be with you> I couldn't understand it. I couldn't believe there were Pokémon that liked people. Because, up until that moment, I'd never known a Pokémon like that. The longer my journey continued, the more unsure I became. All I kept meeting were Pokémon and people who communicated with one another and helped one another.Why do you shittalk about games you never played anon?
Is this whole thread just gen V fags projecting horribly?
>>59244553Yeah. Projecting other game's problems
>linking something no one will ever read>thread will just be sock puppet festlmao discord tranny moment
Basado
>>59244524Did you read the creators' intention?>>59244128
>>59244109Well said.
>>59243766>U need 2 be able 2 read 2 play Pokémon unova Black and White gen 5.KOJO BTFO!!!!!TOTAL BORTGAWD VICTORY!!!KOJO HATES UNOVA BECAUSE HE CANNOT READ!!! WHAT A NOOB!!!GEEEEEEEEEEEEEG!!!!!
Ghetsis literally comes up and interupts you to go "lol btw im evil muahahahahah, we lied", for no reason before you make your way to the league.>>59244115BWfans: >"Pokemon BW has thr best story because it actually explores the morality of catching pokemon and battling with them!"Also BDWfans:>"You're were never meant ti see them as anything but evil stooopid"Notice they only ever do that when you push em in a corner and show how the plot doesnt hold up or make any sense.
>>59244719I still think that Team Plasma was right. Catching animals and making them fight for sport and amusement is definitively morally dubious at best.But it's just a game and the Pokémon are just pixels on a screen so it doesn't really matter. I have done more messed up shit in video games before.What I like more about Mystery Dungeon is that they actually choose to fight like soldiers, mma fighters, boxers and thugs, rather than being taken from their habitat and forced to fight by humans for sport.
>>59244727>But it's just a game Well written games can be so much more, it just sucks that they have the resources to make good games and they choose mediocrity
>>59244702>t. Kojo falseflagging
>>59244729I mean it's not immoral for the player to play a fun game that has no effect on the real world, but the in-universe characters are immoral for catching animals and forcing them to fight.It's a bit like GTA. You are playing a villain character.
>>59244727>I still think that Team Plasma was rightOf course they were right. Ehoch is why the game cops out and makes them deceivers, because when taken to its end conclusion, Gamefreak realised the "bad guys" were completely right, and the premise of their series was morally dubious when put under any scrutiny.
>>59244737Except in GTA, the game agknowledges you are playing as a criminal.Pokemon doesn't. It says Team Plasma are the villains because they just wanna have all the guns for themselves.
>>59244727>I still think that Team Plasma was right. Because you're retarded>Catching animals and making them fight for sport and amusement is definitively morally dubious at best.Good thing pokemon aren't animals.>But it's just a game and the Pokémon are just pixels on a screen so it doesn't really matter. I have done more messed up shit in video games before.Not an argument>What I like more about Mystery Dungeon is that they actually choose to fight like soldiers, mma fighters, boxers and thugs, rather than being taken from their habitat and forced to fight by humans for sport.No pokemon is forced, even the master ball fails if the pokemon doesn't want to be caught (see the wishcash eating the masterball)
>>59244828Wrong. Pokemon enjoy fighting and both trainers and pokemon grow and become healthier (see Wally).
>>59244842Pokemon enjoy fighting. Says who? On whose terms?>both trainers and pokemon grow and become healthier (see Wally)Wally becomes healthier because he moves to Verdenturf.
>>59243766I love Smugleaf and Wotter.
>>59244892Smuggleafs legend began and ended in the 5th generation because he is a shitmon.Wotter's evo looks cool but his final evo is ass.The less said about Bacon the better.
>>59244854>Says who? On whose terms?Pokemon. N confirms this.>Wally becomes healthier because he moves to Verdenturf.He becomes healthier when he travels the world with Ralts, with his uncle/aunt he's still sickly despite
>>59244928>Pokemon. N confirms this.And N can confirm the thoughts of all pokemon now?>>59244928>He becomes healthier when he travels the world with Ralts, with his uncle/aunt he's still sickly despitePlay the game, anon.
>>59244971>And N can confirm the thoughts of all pokemon now?Plasma claimed ALL pokemon were enslaved and hated fighting a single counterexample destroys this narrative. Wild pokemon are jealous of trained pokemon (footprints)Trained mons are stronger. Happiness increases as you fight with your mons.Play the game, anon.>Play the game, anon.If it were only Verdanturf how come he didn't get sick again in victory road? Or when he goes full comp tryhard in the maison?
