You're better than this guy EditionPokémon Champions is a free-to-play online battle simulator available on Switch with a mobile release later. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.>NewsNewest Patch Notes: https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/71525/Global Challenge 2026 Special Roster Released: https://serebii.net/pokemonchampions/recruit/globalchallenge2026specialroster.shtmlChampion Tier & Master ranks 1-3 unlocked for current seasonFree Machamp mystery gift code: CHAMP10NMobile release possibly leaked for June: https://xcancel.com/CentroLeaks/status/2041378934739108104>Resources and useful linkshttps://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/Community Tournaments usage data: https://pikalytics.com/Ladder usage data: https://pokechamdb.com/enNew Player Guide(NEW PEOPLE READ THIS):https://rentry.org/pcg-guide (now taking suggestions and feedback)Quick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 Teamate Tickets, 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Mega Kalos starters and E-Floette require ZA transfer.>/pcg/ OP pastebin (use this if making new thread):https://pastebin.com/d2FJZdPhPrevious Thread: >>59240291
>>59245881How the fuck did this guy get this team to work?
Shit Game
Great Game
>>59245893He didn't.
Mid Game
>>59245895>>59245896>>59245900Unironically I’ve been really enjoying these threads. I was shitting on champions but doubles is fun and you guys are all fun to post with.
The Game
Would you have preferred if Champions was a full priced $60 game like Stadium/Battle Revolution, with unlimited box/team spaces and the same online and support it's getting now?
>>59245917Only if they were far more generous with training tickets. But the way you’re saying it makes it seem like a kind of Pokemon box as well.
>>59245917All I really need are 6v6 rulesets for private battles and I'm just about 100% happy with it as long as updates are regular.I think they should add a little Stadium Cup style thing with 8 battles in a row against CPUs with interesting teams as a single player diversion. Even adding one singles and doubles cup per month themed around Pokemon, gimmicks and items that were recently added would be good.
>>59245917I don't be caring either way
Been trying to edit the Zheng team to work a bit better against potential counters, here's what I've found:>encore is great except if theres a giraffe>sableye is hard fucked against encore/taunt setters - you could sacc rain dance for four play but then you're forced to lock in peli>have to be mindful if they lead a hard hitting special attacker like blastoise or drampa, swapping the mega to floette seems to help slightly with this>sun teams are cancer with zard y and whimsicottI kinda play like shit tbf so a lot of this may be easily addressible, but I'm slowly trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. My biggest weakness I've noticed is going against weather teams where I'm forced to bring Peli so Arch ends up being my only attacker, since I can't drop Sableye or Sinistcha without risking getting blown up
>>59245917nah, not unless it had gameplay like a campaign and stuff
>Win game because the enemy perish song suicidedThanks?
So my fast psyspam team is neat. Mega-Alakazam and Meowstic are the obvious ones and Talonflame is neat for Tailwind/Taunt support and Dual Wingbeat to deal with Sash Whimsicott. But what the hell do i do with the other three slots on the team? Been experimenting with scarf Basc and Tsareena but they just feel off. What kind of partners should get a look?
>>59245917if it had the same quality as Stadium/Battle Revolution, hell yeah, instead its just recycled shit from the games for free, so meh
I made it into Ultra Ball 4 and I dont know if I'm good enough to push all the way to Master Ball in a week.What's the average rank for people? Should I be happy I made it this far as a beginner or should am I still below average?
>>59245991It isn't that hard to get into Master, if you keep up the grind you should be able to get there.
>>59245991Ultra is a grind that ensures you know the basics and are using a semi-competent team, not much else
What's the best build on a Farigiraf?
>>59245991I'm hardstuck Master Ball 3. I get close to 2, but always get checked by a lone Charizard Y without Venasaur.
>>59246044Trick room + a collection of psychic/twin beam, imprison, Hyper Voice, Helping Hand, Protect, Foul Play.Depends what your team needs
I'm getting to the point where I just want to run Sableye for rain.
>>59246075That is already what a lot of people use it for.
>>59245881>$6.99 for 50 extra box spaceAre there other ways to get more box space? The one box you start with seems super limited.
>>59246082You get like 20 more just for climbing Ball ranks.
>>5924608420 boxes? Or 20 spaces.
How do I counter a garganacl with leftovers using salt cure, recover, and protect. He probably had shit def but I had the unfortunate luck of running 3 sp atk mons against him and they just couldn't do enough dmg to take him out. It was fucking annoying
>>59246090spaces.
>>59246093Taunt, something SE, Knock Off to remove Lefties, etc. Salt Cure got nerfed to shit so the offensive pressure he was putting out can't have been very high.
>>59246098Damn that's still very few. At least something ig.
What is a good archaludon answer in a sand team?
>>59246093You're lucky it wasn't Block Garg
>>59245917Discord sysbot goes brrrr
>>59245881>that team in the OP has my three favorite pokemonspls stop bullying him
>>59246130Roserade, Florges, and Ferali?
>>59245929I want a draft mode, where you invite and goes ina arena, where you can't modify your pokemons
>>59246132Rose, Gatr and Hawlucha
>>59245881I ended with a mediocre 10-7 (didn't really feel like play more games) yet somehow I ended scratching the top 10%, how can people be so fucking bad at this
>>59246137Luchador, roses and gators? are you mexican per chance?
>>59246111Camerupt if you have trickroomVenusaur with earth powerMega Lucario with aura sphere
I was gonna ask, but was able to just test it, wish + ally switch totally works, thanks audino
>>59246141Majority of players playing the three matches for the free venusaur and doing no more
>>59246196even so my score is about the same as if I had just played and won 3 games. Of course not everyone is going to win all three but I'd still expect a lot more people to be in the same vicinity
>>59246099It was high enough to where he could stall the whole match with that bs but also he had a tiny bit of help with stealth rock cuz I switched a few times to see what mons did against him. But I genuinely think it was mostly luck on his side. Probably had stats all in on sp def and I just happened to use 3 sp attackers with no type advantage. But I definitely want to learn how to counter those that stall and heal all match long cause it's annoying
>>592459176v6 singles with custom rules are all I want from this mess.
>>59246206yeah most people would've LOST their three gameshow did more people lose than win?? who knows!!!
To the anon who tipped me off about Tinkaton, thanksShit is cracked
>>59245917Nah I like the way it is now for the most partThe subscription is gay though id rather just pay a couple bucks for more space every now and then instead
>>59245991You should be able to get into Master.
>>59245991You should start working on trying to predict what your opponent is going to lead. At that rank it's a bit easy cause people will lead with the most obvious shit like pelipper and archaludon or Charizard and vena. So you could just lead like sableye and garchomp against Charizard y and vena, taunt the vena and rockslide with chomp and you've basically just won the match
>>59245991you know, that electrode is kinda sexy
>>59244636Thank you
>>59245917For that price I'd also want a single player mode and gifts like ribbons and special mons you can bring back to Home
>Flinch from Aegislash Iron Head>Double Crit Rock Slide from Aerodactyl>Crit Solarbeam from M-Meganium which was gonna oneshot with the critSome matches RNG just gives you the fiercest handy
Is there anything I should be trying to out speed with paldien Tauros? I'm thinking max attack adamant, some HP and the rest in spdef
>>59246460
>>59246462Outspeeding jolly TTar wouldn't take much (also covers non-jolly Mega TTar)
where the heck is my venusaur bro
>>59246494Did you check your mail?
>>59246462https://pikalytics.com/speed-tiersUse this and see if there's anything between its Max Speed with a Speed Nature and Max Speed with a neutral speed nature, or between that and neutral speed with no EV, so columns, 2, 3 and 4.So for Tauros, you might consider outspeeding Excadrill, so you would need a Speed boosting Nature and give it enough speed to outspeed it at it's max speed (outside of sand) and use the leftover for bulk.You might notice that you can possibly outspeed things like Kangaskhan, Lucario, and Hydreigon but you need to remember that the first two would almost always mega and Hydreigon will ALWAYS be using Choice Scarf so don't even consider them.
>>59246494Go to the Event page first to see your placement and then go to the mailbox.
>>59246510>>59246499found it, I was checking battle data, not the event, thanks
>on my second streak of ten matches in a row without a crit1 in 24 my ass
>>59246504Thanks>>59246493Yeah that's a good idea
>>59246049I never run Venu.I think the meta has shifted enough that trying to rely on 75% acc sleep isn't a winning strat. Zard Y + M Floette teams seem to be the best all around matchups into most mega teams. There's some tool that I saw yesterday that analyzed various mega matchups and how often they win against each other, maybe someone else has seen it and can link it. The tool is only using high level tournament results.
>opponent manages to set up trick room 3 times (he had 3 setters)>stall it out 3 times>use up all 8 protects on my t-tar>less than 1 minute on each clockrematches when??
Is the guy who wanted the shiny moonball Damp mark Charizard here? I got it back from the competition and am ready to send it to ya. Just tell me when your ready and we will trade on home
>>59246460>Quick claw activates three times in a row
>>59246591Quick claw is some bullshit that thing has like a 33% chance to proc or some shit
>>5924659620%.
I'll literally stuck in ultra tier 4. I mean im glad I got there as a noob but fuck it's like every fight someone has an answer to what I throw at them
>>59246582>There's some tool that I saw yesterday that analyzed various mega matchupshttps://brophy.website/vgc/grandchampionsfestival/this?>>59246623Whats your team?desu just find a team on limitless with results using your same mega
>>59246626>Mega Dragonite and Mega ScizorHmm I might steal one of these. I have a shiny Dragonite I want to use for Mega and I love Scizor.
>>59246591CHAAA-BOK!
>>59246626Yeah that's it.
Thinking of dropping Rotom-H and Sinistcha.
>>59246718but sinistcha is literally the part of the core for tyranitar + excadrill. You can see the opponent click close combat into ttar and you get a free switch into that slot for sinistcha.Why trick room btw? i dont see a single slow mon on your team
>>59246774Not that anon but you can still run trick room on faster teams to counter opponents tailwind.
>>59246718>scarf rotom with discharge instead of electrowebinsaneliterally just make that change and your team cooks
>>59246782>>59246718personally i think he should just drop tbolt for electroweb.
>>59245991I'm master ball currently, elo of 1859
>>59246785in end game situations the single target tbolt is extremely relevantvolt switch misses a lot of double up kills and scarf rotom becomes fodder after 1 overheat
I'm thinking about dropping lifedew from sinistcha, it hardly ever feels relevant in this meta, everything hits so hard you're getting two shot no matter what
https://x.com/Pokemon_Champs/status/2051859497438544367
>>59246823ehh, im not expecting anything.
>>59246823-Added Tentaquil
>max sp.atk invested can't ohko a volcarona with hydro pump
>>59246851rotom wash isn't a sweeper
>99/100 box spaces filledI really hope they expand with another 50 at least for the mobile release. I'm not paying a monthly subscription for this shit. Now I have to think of which shits to release or send back to home... Sandaconda, Clawitzer, Meowstic, Reuniclus, Gliscor, Houndoom, Clefable, Pinsir.Then there's the Cherish Ball gift pokemon that would annoy me to release...
>>59246853I'm hoping when ranked resets they'll knock us back down to Pokeball rank and as you rank up against you'll get the Caraway cutscenes + storage rewards.
>>59246823>balance patch>Archaludon, Sneasler, Basculegion and Incineroar have been removed from the gameHoly based
>>59246858garchomp is back to being in literally every team, as it should be
>>59246852I don't expect it to be a sweeper, but c'mon it is max atk invested 110 bp attack with stab on a super effective target.
>>59245917Free feels like a scam the way this game is. 0 offline play 0 singe player content 0 customization. The worst part is almost none of this will be fixed.
Howdy there, sugarcube.
>>59246858Fuck you faggot I thought they were actually going to do something.
>>59246853How do people put up with this shit? I stopped playing this game less than a week after release.
They need to, at least, allow you to send your recruited pokemon to Pokemon Home.
>>59246882send the mons you aren't using currently back to their games of origin instead of hoarding them and wasting slots
>>59246887That's fine and all except the game becomes fucking boring because the process of sending Pokemon back and forth is annoying as shit and that's putting it lightly.>No but they need to make moneyLiterally just make the fucking cosmetics cost money then how the fuck did these people not manage to make a competent battle sim when that's the only thing you can do in this stupid fucking game?
>>59246858>Incineroar no longer has Parting Shot>Sneasler loses Fake Out>Basculegion loses Last Respects>Archaludon has Stall instead of Staminadid I fix it :^)
Is gen 6 the last holistic Pokemon game? I was excited for Champions and making it my definitive way to play with my family except there isn't even local play.
>>59246143>Camerupt if you have trickroomThe Pokemon that people dismissed as a shitmon is raping a VGC staple.Beautiful
>>59246895it's inconvenient but you are really overexaggerating the issue
>>59246823This is the same day the next season starts so we will likely get more pokemon added.
>>59246905Camerupt was always a shadow trick room contender, but trickroom used to be worse
>>59246911No I'm not. Building sets in Champions and not through HOME is cancerous unless you just constantly repeat the same 10 Pokemon, which tbf VGC promotes. Having to pay for fucking box space in a game in-which there's nothing else to do but competitive battling just makes the game even more tedious and boring.
>>59246917>Building sets in Champions and not through HOME is cancerouswhat? you aren't even making sense. quit being a drama queen
>>59246882>I stopped playing this game less than a week after release.Yet here you are in the champions general
>>59246923>Build a bunch of sets through Champion recruitments>Have to start releasing to make more because of box space because you can't send them to HOMEIf you still can't understand the issue then you are either too retarded to be allowed on a computer or you are being purposefully obtuse and are the reason why Pokemon gets away with this level of dogshit.
>>59246858Basc is leagues ahead of everything in terms of cancer and it's just because of last respects
>>59246924I came to check if this game got updated fuck off shill and stop sucking multibillionaire corporation cock.
Post teams and ranks.
>get frozen>Of fuck>de-thaw on the same turn>Mwahaha fuck your rng!Is this the best feeling?
>>59246917If you can't afford a one time 7$ purchase you have more problems in your life than box space.
>>59246949I'm not spending money on a game that's server based and 80 box slots is still fucking nothing after a few months. I feel sorry for you people. You must've not grown up when video games were good and you actually just spent money to get a complete product.
Ngl I do hope they give us more spaces when a new season rolls in. Subscription fixes the issue but it goes overboard offering 1k spaces you don't know what to do with
>>59246951Dawg, you're 40 years old on a 4chan general for a game you don't even playCome on
>>59246951>80 box slots Geez anon, maybe rank up to MB at the very least?
>>59246858>Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus has been addedoh god no
>>59246961whats wrong anon?
>>59246951>80 box slotslmao this kid is in here crying about box slots and doesn't even know you unlock more hahahahaYou literally don't play the game. Why are you even here?
>>59246858Would be so BASED
>>59246962Last time I used these CHADS was in reg J to get shit mythicals their ribbon. You always forget how clutch they can be and always have the move you need.
what if they had a season with the wonder launcher from gen V
>>59246955You don't need to be 40 to have memories of good games. I forget that a teenager today literally doesn't have any games that aren't gachas or unpolished shitfests that are purposefully so to sell DLC.
>finally defeat my opponent's 3rd Pokemon in a nail biter with my last team member>it was actually their 2ndEvery time.
>>59246978>i deliberately entered a thread for a game i do not like and now i am mad>how could this be happening to me?
>>59246988Someone told me they were adding offline support to this game. I checked, found out he was wrong and just shocked that nobody who plays this game cares about basic features. I can't understand the mind of NPCs.
>>59246992>i fell for clickbait and now i am going to make it everyone else's problem>how could this be happening to me?if you click that little X in the top right corner of the browser window, you can be free of these self inflicted problems and go do something else with your time
>>59246998I will. Your taste in video games are dogshit and your lack of pushback over anything that isn't the status quo is why this world is as shit as it is, but I hope you have a nice day anyways.
>>59247006The world is shit because the heart of man is evil. Nothing anyone will ever do will change that. Might as well get over it now instead of pretending your any better
>>59246992Why would a game built for PvP have offline support?
>>59247027for live tournaments, retardkuneven for something as basic as little timmy being able to battle little jimmy in the same backyard
>>59246898Sneasler without fake out is still too good.
I dunno why you guys are arguing. We DO need box slots, and the fact they are so limiting is just them squeezing money out of us.Is it a HUGE deal? Not really, especially if you have the mainline games and Home. But it is annoying. 7 dollars is a fair price for it, i suppose, though i understand being price averse to such a basic function of the game.As for online, that one i think doesnt make so much sense. Competitive games always attach the matches server side to prevent cheating and abuse. Yes i know fighting games can do it just fine, but that have 2 people using the same machine. When was the last time you saw a phone game where you share the same phone to have a competitive match?
>>59247045Sneed without FO loses all of its utility and is just a decently fast hard hitter with CC.
>>59247047>I dunno why you guys are arguingIt's 1 single retard who doesn't even know you unlock more box space by paying.
>>59246898>>Basculegion loses Last RespectsFound the smoggy
>>59246823If this patch isn't pretty big, I'm taking a break, starting to get bored with how little we have right now
>>59247069there is a chance that it isnt big, since the phonefags still havent tasted this meta yet.Could be just doomsaying, but i find it hard to believe that theyll radically change it without even the majority of the userbase playing just yet, unless we literally are playing the open beta of it as some people said
Game hasn't been out for 2 months, we don't need a meta shift yet.But also I only started playing two weeks ago so idk.
i want some single player or at least some kind of practise modes
>make obvious play and attack into mon>opponent switches or protect>try to anticipate protect or switch in>opponent doesn't just attacksWhen will I get a feel for this?
>>59247091Then go play a mainline game or one of the thousands of rom hacks
>>59247086Won't we have the same format for atleast another season?
>>59247099No.
>>59247049It's very good at it.Very good positioning against other fake out intimidate users and trick room setters.Sometimes a single target nuke just works well enough.
>protect aerodactyl>they ignore it>don't protect aero>they attack with both mons into it.
>>59247061is that really a smogon thing? Last respects is the biggest reason why it’s so strong isn’t it?
>>59247159The very first thing Smogon did in gen 9 was immediately ban Houndstone because of Last Respects.
>>59247165Kek. Well I stand by my meme balancing.
>they remove last respects from basculegion>we now have to deal with that faggot fish disappearing with phantom force when trying to target it
>>59247184Not really, I'd argue most will drop it.
>>59247184>>59247190Does it not get Poltegeist?
>>59247208Nope. Phantom Force is it's only other physical ghost option.
Why are people having an issue with the fish? Just thunderbolt it. Maybe cause I'm not in master yet but they've never posed a threat
>>59247184Someone tried that versus me, but seems like he didn't get the memo that Normal is immune to ghost
>>59247165>le 6v6 format>nooo you can't have a 300 BP attack!Kekaroo indeed
>>59247218used well it really can solo teams.Though some teams outright counters it to a degree. My team (Sand) never had a trouble with it because excadrill is faster and ttar knock off fucks it up, without liquidation doing too much.
>>59247218Immune to fake out, weather wars, decent bulk if invested to avoid 1hkos and last respects is retarded.It's good, I personally have more problems with archduraludon.
>>59247218>Just thunderbolt itChampions horrendous selection of electric types is one of the reasons Basc is so powerful.
>>59247242If you don't want to use Rotom there's always Heliolisk. You can even add utility such as Electroweb and Light Screen
>>59247264The fact that people are even considering running Heliolisk shows just how bad the electric pool is.
I still dont really get it, could yall break it down for me? If I use Torkoal/Firagiraf, opponent uses already fast pokemon/Whimsicott, and on the first turn I use trick room and they use Tailwind, who moves first, my slow ass Torkoal or their fast pokemon?
>>59247268In trick room the speed bracket is reversed.So since they tailwinded (and now their speed are all doubled), now you almost always move first under TR
>>59247268Torkoal will be the fastest mon on the field after Trick Room is active. Whimsicott has Prankster though, so it can still move with +1 priority even while Trick Room is active.
Sigh, back to the new player guide i go.i need to be clearer or something with Trick room
>>59247268The turn after you've both set up, you mean? If so, you'll move first naturally as TR flips the speed tiers around. Slower Pokemon will move first while faster ones move after. Tailwind doubles speed, it has no effect on priority. If Whimsicott still moves before your Torkoal after you've set up TR, that's its ability Prankster activating. This makes it so that all of Whimsicott's status moves have +1 priority, which ignores speed unless used against a mon with equal speed.
thank you anons, i made it to ultra 3 somehow but im still a newbie
>>59247218>why are people having an issue with this incredibly powerful late game cleaner that has adaptability on an almost completely unresisted set of STAB moves and solid bulk?>>59247264heliolisk dies to head smash and is completely dead weight if your opponent doesn't bring basc. you are effectively wasting a team slot for an unreliable counter at best
>>59247301>head smash bascPokeball must be a hell of a tier.
>>59246591>>59246596Honestly wish that were true for my Galarian Slowbro + quick claw/draw I will honestly go games with it never getting either its ability or item going off for 5+ turns assuming it survives that long. Still win games without it just hurts that most of those matches would have been more soundly won had they sniped the quad weak pokemon before they could act.
>>59247301>current head smash usage: 1.4%
>>59247301I literally use Heliolisk to set up Light Screen to support M-Aggron.
>>59247309you will never see head smash in lower tiers because the tards down there haven't learned how to do anything other than copy and paste teams from youtube and reddit. nice self report, btw
>>59246914I'm all for underdogs absolutely cucking the hell out of overtuned show ponies like Archaludon.Now imagine Aurorus annihilating Mega Salamence. THAT would be a humiliation ritual.
>>59247328You caught me. I made Master Ball in the first week. I've got no idea what the meta is like in lower tiers. I just assume everyone hardstuck Ultra Ball or lower is retarded.
>>59247328And you are really going to rely on an 80% precision move for your coverage?
>>59247184no, people will just switch to the female version
>>59247373an 80% chance to win against a hard counter is better than a 0% chance
>>59247392Even if Last Respects got removed from Baculegion the male version is still far superior. It has higher atk than female has spatk and access to a multitude of amazing physical water moves.
Great I lost 20,000 placements due to missing Poltergeist. It's already a risky move since they have to actually have an item which can fuck you if they use a berry, and it's single target. What a motherfucker game.
>>59245881>finally get into master ball>rating so low I don't even have a placementno i'm not
>>59247429I have learned to let go.I stopped playing to keep my rank within the top 10k, but what is the point even.If you're not gunning for champion tier then there is no point in keeping track of elo
>>59247443I wanted to grind to Champion, but my work schedule only let's me squeeze in a game a day and on my days off I sleep 10 to 12 hours.
>>59247301This is what fucking kills me about people and their supposed counters. Carrying a pokemon that's basically useless outside of cucking the standard copy paste of a pokemon is a just a waste of a team slot.
>>59247301Head smash is literally retarded to carry in basc. I saw that set in the showdown calc and it's retarded.What are you even covering for that a neutral Adp Wave Crash isn't straight up the better option?Dry skin Heliolisk is also stupid and not worth worrying about, a scarfed solar power set on a sun team had much more utility in my experience but lots of mons covet the scarf.
>>59247425the bitch gets muddy water
>>59247555>missy water
>>59247569Because it makes you miss after it hits you.
>>59247555>Doodoo deluge
>>59247553>What are you even covering for that a neutral Adp Wave Crash isn't straight up the better option?Heliolisk. Literally read the conversation you are replying to.
>>59247577You need an 80acc, non stabbro cover for a frail mon like Heliolisk?Your garchomp sir, you sneeedler sir, what are you fucking doing with your team nigger?
>>59247586>why are you running coverage moves? Just use garchomp
>>59247589Correct.If you're getting rid of flip turn for fucking head smash then you've already fucked up.
>>59247589I'd sympathize with you not using Garchomp out of a sense of creativity or because you think it's too good or boring, but then we are talking about basculegion to begin with here.
>>59246937Only 6 more days and I probably won't get out of MB3.
Anyone messed with Drampa? I assume Sinistcha and Farig are mandatory teammates but that seems awkward
>>59247615Hisuian Zoroark is probably a good choice as a lead to bait your opp early for Speed Control.
Why is it always the most smug anon that's the dumbest
>>59247624Hey, I'm not smug.
Imagine doubles without any protect-moves and without any "attack both pokemon" attacks.
>>59247632They need to balance Wide Guard.
>>59247637Don't use spread move that turn.Opponent wasted a turn, maybe you doubled into a slot.
>>59247632Also no Trick Room or switching Pokemon
I await the day a shitmon gets an ability that sets TR or tailwind instantly upon entering the battle.The busted abilities will continue until morale improves.
>>59247643you're an idiot.
>>59247645I can't wait until we get an ability that auto-sets Gravity
Surely every season battle pass update will also add more membership music tracks, right..? Not enough bangers in the game atm tbqhwyfam
we need some Pokemon Colosseum battle tracks
>>59247744>>59247761I don't get why the music selection is so barebones anyway. Is it so they can dripfeed it?
>>59247761every track in that game slaps
>>59247777Yep that's exactly what they're going to do
why do so many teams online have one pokemon nicknamed and the rest no nicknamesif it was two or three times i wouldn't bat an eyelid, but it's like 85% of teams i encounter that have nicknames, it's only one pokemon with a nickname
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>>59246111Special ground/fighting move
>>59245917I was only really interested in online battling myself because I could never be bothered building or begging for genned mons on cart.So in that regard I'm playing the game and enjoying the battling and team building at least. They can fuck off with paying for box space though, that's probably my biggest gripe.Some single player stuff would have been nice, at least some facilities that can teach casuals how to play against popular strategies or interactions that aren't always super clear. The game really does basically nothing to actually teach you anything you didn't already know if you've played Pokemon for more than 5 minutes.
>>59245881I played my last singles match. The amount of people whose first few hours of life were spent in a basket outside a firehouse; are running rampant with their stall teams. I can't believe psychopath smogon players want a 6v6 version of this
I spent years thinking there was actually skill involved in competitive Pokemon and then I finally try it with Champions and it turns out it's literally just constant dicerolling with no real skill involved at all lol. How did I get lied to so successfully for so long?
>>59247868Let me guess, you're stuck in ultra ball
>>59247868When you have no game knowledge then of course everything seems like a gameble.The skill is beating the rng in the long run using your game knowledge and making reads
>>59247872I reached master ball within the first week by just spamming the classic rain package and stopped playing because it was so dull. There really is nothing to it. I've seen youtubers that have never played VGC before beating former world champions. There's no skill involved.
>>59247875Sure you did bud, post your elo.
>>59247874When you have no knowledge of the game, you pretend there isnt significant amounts of luck that play into the outcome of the game and instead engineer a situation in your head where somehow the best players all have psychic powers.
>>59247875Please go back to showdown. Before you hurt yourself thinking so hard.
>>59247886>plays some meta team week one of release>rise to the top based on the sheer number of newbies playing vgc for the first time>gets to the top rank and can't handle the heatMaybe try to play the game dumbass. Calling it " boring" when it's literally been the same battle system for 30 fucking years. You built your team YOU pressed the buttons.This must be bait or you're a retarded zoomer who doesn't understand what ranked ladders are.
>>59247875>I've seen youtubers that have never played VGC before beating former world champions.You just outted yourself as a salty scrub by making up such bullshit
YouTube teams are so bad. You need to face more backlash for clickbaiting something like "Mega-Shitbunny is SO BROKEN!!!" in a game where you have to spend time and in-game money to try the stuff out.Just garbage mega plus/minus weird gimmick where you have 4 pure support mons etc. 5 physical attackers that aren't fire type and are completely fucked by burns. Zero speed control or ability to stop it... Things like that. Followed by handpicked matches where it wins.I've not seen many teams showcased where it's NOT just like you need to forfeit in team preview if you see the wrong thing. I think basically if it hasn't won a tournment or reached champion tier it's trash.
>>59247915Imagine spending all your Robux on this then you see Farigiraf in team preview. Which wouldn't be so bad except it's one of the top picks in the game.
>>59247886>you pretend there isnt significant amounts of luckI literally mentioned the rng in my post that you replied to with this dribble.Please seek a brain transplant
>>59247915No shit man they just make that shit for clicks
>>59247915>>59247929This is an obvious gimmick team, and it's from 3 weeks ago when the game was new. Don't just blindly use a team if you don't understand how to use it.If you want youtubers who use different teams, explain them well and are honest about how good they are, go with James Baek and Cybetron.
>>59247899Megamogwai beat Se Jun Park on stream. I'll do some quick digging and see if I can find it. Megamogwai has never played VGC before Champions.
>>59247875You say this as if getting into Master Ball means fucking anything in this game
>>59247962I actually said it with the exact opposite meaning of what you just said. I said it as evidence that the game is a joke because even brand new players can waltz up the ranks.
>>59247955Se Jun won 12 years ago, and stopped playing for years when he got conscripted into the Korean army.
>>59247995>Se Jun wonYes that's what I said. I said that a youtuber who has never played VGC beat a former world champion and that is factually what happened.
>>59247950Tbh Cybertron puts up bad teams and gimmicks among the tournament winner teams. Usually they work for about 3 days, or are hard trick room teams with one setter. He's also too famous, everyone has seen the team and they recognize it instantly on team preview... But yeah beginners need someone like that who doesn't just show the team and it winning, but also explaining how to pick the leads for it based on team preview. No point for a beginner copying a great James team and having absolutely no clue at all how to pilot it.
>>59247955I don't know this guy but quick research tells me he has played competitive singles before, and he has grinded a lot of hours in Champions. This is a lot different than being new to the game entirely, lots of Pokemon concepts are the same which means you can transfer knowledge and skills between singles/doubles.Anyway, Sejun barely plays anymore and I've only seen him use meme stuff in Champions like Mega Zam and Mega Glalie. It's nice to beat him but by no means does this indicate the game somehow lacks skill.
>>59248009He last played singles Pokemon longer ago than Park last won a World Championship VGC. The guy beat him with like Mega Manectric or some shit, not some top level meta team. The game is a fucking meme.
>>59248015nice try smogcuck
>>59248030If a former world champ can lose to someone I've personally watched kill his own Pokemon by attacking it with its partner directly by mistake, then you're not playing a real game.
>>59248015Post the vod then. I'm curious what Sejun was using, because like I said he is not taking this game seriously with these teams.
>>59248015I've been playing Pokémon for a week. I'm 1804 ELO, rank 88,000. I don't know how many players there are though or what the average is.
>>59247789I traded for my shiny Incineroar and he's not in a Luxury Ball, so I ain't giving him a name.
>>59248033nice fanfic
Another day, another promotion match to Master Ball lost due to retarded bullshit. How the fuck could I expect my opponent's mega Gardevoir to run Trick Room? Every single game where I'm about to finally get out of Ultra 1 ends up being retarded bullshit like this.
>>59248060>How the fuck could I expect my opponent's mega Gardevoir to run Trick Room?Because every single Mega Gardevoir runs Psychic, Hyper Voice, Trick-Room and Protect.
>>59248075Mine doesn't because that's fucking retarded.
>>59248078Ok, but you lost to it lmao
>>59248094Your Mega Venusaur lost to Fire Fang Garchomp bro. Fire Fang Garchomp is GOATed for sure
>>59248039Again, this is something that literally happened on stream. You can go back and watch Park's streams and watch him lose to a guy who had never played VGC before Champions released and who has, on stream, killed his own Talonflame by targeting it by mistake with its partner Pokémon. This is all objective reality.>>59248034It'll be in the stream Park did either 7 days ago or 12 days ago. I don't have the patience to scrub through 10 hours of footage to argue on 4chan about a children's game. You can find it if you'd like.
>>59248078Trick Room is the only reason to run Gardevoir over Floette.
>please follow my favorite ecelebs!!!no smoggie i don't think so, fuck off now
>>59248105Also the fact you have to put time into an appalling game to get Floette.
>>59248100Yeah trick room is exactly the same as fire fang.You are exposed pal.
>>59248108I had fun with ZA and have Floette but I'm using Gardevoir instead.
>>59248108>have ZA>go to tradebot on twitch>trade for eternal floette>it always has the same ID so impossible for anyone to know it's from pkhexThere. I just saved you 20+ hours of grind.
>>59248100>what is thick fatAny of Garchomp's STAB moves would do more damage to M-Venusaur than Fire Fang.
>>59248115Can you get Delphoxite and all the other cool stuff the same way?
If your opponent is being greedy and not mega evolving on their first turn, can you knock off their mega stone before they mega?
>>59248119I just said Fire Fang because I took a Garchomp with it that I couldn't afford to train and won a match against Venusaur with Fire Fang.
>>59248107I accept your concession. Your value as a human being, in your own opinion, relies on your ability to get wins in a children's dice rolling game being a matter of 'skill' rather than the luck that it really is.
>>59248122No.
>>59248122No, megastones are very sticky and cant be knocked off. Knockoff only deals the bonus damage if you actually knockoff the item too.
>>59248120Yes you could use the tradebot to get anything in ZA if you didn't want to grind through the game. Same goes for anything in the pokedex for SV or any other game you own. Just use the berichan bot on twitch.
>>59248128Damn, ok, but does it still do the enhanced damage?
>>59248124And other amazing tales from great ball!
smoggie really mad lol
>>59248129>>59248131Right, you answered my second one too, what about focus sash though? They still survive on one health despite the sash being knocked off?
>>59248078>>59248060>battle>battle data>doubles>gardevoir>trick room 41.7% pickrateYou can check all the statistics ingame. Trick Room is common on Gardevoir.
When we get future Pokemon added with new regulations, are old Pokemon going to be removed from the format? And if so how is that going to work with Pokemon already transferred in? I'm wondering if it's more likely if it'll be a "you can't use this Pokemon at all" or "you can't use this Pokemon in ranked but you can in unranked since its already coded in the game"
>>59248139>If Knock Off triggers an item (such as a Focus Band, Focus Sash, or Colbur Berry) after the attack, that item activates before Knock Off can knock it off (in the case of the Focus Band, which is not consumed, it will be removed after its effect has activated).Bulbapedia is your friend
>>59248139You can knock the sash off, but only after it activates from the knockoff hit. So it almost never matters. You could in theory knock a sash off and then that pokemon would get healed to full which would at least have done something, but thats niche as hell. Maybe don't knock off a sneaslers sash because it would activiate its ability though
>>59248135I'm in Master Ball.
>>59248103I found it, he was using the same Hisui theme meme team (no mega btw) that he lost alot with. So yeah this is a whole load of nothing.
>>59248142It looks like the seasons come in sets of 3. We are likely getting new mons and items added season 2 & 3 but then an entirely different pool of mons and gimmick for seasons 4,5,6 and then repeating that pattern.
>>59248150>>59248146Ok thanks, I just had a whimsicott who activated sash and died to sand, then they switched into gengar, my ttar knock off on it, it survived with sash again, then died to sand again. It was a weird game, didn't even know how they had 2 sashes. The whimsicott even took an earthquake before the sash blow so it shouldn't even activate sash.
>>59248169They cant have 2 sashes. One of them must have been a focus band or you mis remembered
>>59248154>his meme team lost to a brand new VGC player's homebrewed meme team>this is proof that competitive Pokemon isn't a joke?????
>>59248169Gengar calc'd to survive Ttar's knock off or just a low roll?Adamant max Atk Ttar misses the KO on a Bold 30HP 20DEF Gengar on a max roll. Gengar tends to not spend its time actually attacking mons rather than singing to them and protecting.
>>59248177How the is the other guy's team a "meme" team on the same level as a Hisui team limited to like 10 mons, and no mega, the mechanic that the whole meta revolves around? Don't be retarded
>>59248177>use a joke team that's not very good>lose Nothing surprising here. Go be a faggot somewhere else.
>>59248184>>59248187I believe this is what the kids call "cope". I'm sorry that your self-worth hinges on this children's game. I hope it doesn't remain this way for too long. Your champions lose to a new players. This is your reality.
It's going to be very funny seeing how high Ariados can skyrocket in usage. It's #161 right now
Sneedler, basc, incin, garchomp, floette, arch, gambit are banned.Who rises to the top?
>>59246905Camerupt feels so underrated. Every tier list or analysis video I watched kept dismissing it and suggested to use Torkoal instead, but I love being able to OHKO meta staples like Archaludon, Sneedler, Incin, and Zard-Y, which Torkoal can't do.
>>59248199I believe your a furfaggot grasping at straws making unconvincing claims by misrepresenting events.
>>59248199>be pro golf player>lose an arm>lose to shitters>well actually this means golf doesn't take skillThis is how stupid you sound. You're the one coping with this desperate attempt to make excuses for sucking at the game.
>>59248211>yourkek.>placing your self-worth on a furfag children's game and calling others furfags for itdouble kek>>59248215Pro golf players will beat brand new golf players 100 times out of 100 on any hole, even if they were limited to using only one club. The fact you thought this was a good analogy tells me all I need to know about how much time you've spent playing sports or partaking in anything that's actually a skill-based competition lol.
>>59248203Trick room because they don’t have to worry about Kinggambit being an asshat turn 1 anymore
>>59248143I wonder what the next easy to pilot cancer team is going to be.
>>59248209His problem is that he has pretty much the same gameplan as torkoal, but torkoal bringing the sun by himself just makes him way more useful. Camerupt needs torkoal/char to set it up for him making you double dip on fire types or you need a prankster mon to do it which is ok but feels slightly worse especially seeing as you want trick room up too.Once it's in position though camerupt is a war criminal
>>59248143I haven't actually tried this team in Champs yet, been testing in Showdown. I'm almost at 1300 but having trouble breaking through, and its easy to get meme'd on. Is Showdown just a totally different environment for the Champions metagame versus the actual game, or am I just trash?
>>59248291There's definitely more knowledgable people playing showdown generally. I anticipate the threshold for how good people are starts at a lower elo than champions.It's also easy to create a new profile ok showdown and work your way up so you may be playing someone who is really, really good and not know it.In Champions that can really only happen at the start of a season and in a GC.
>>59248220>nitpicking the 2 second analogyThe point is that if you gimp yourself enough, you can lose to anything. Sejun's team not having a mega and being limited to 10 Pokemon is so restricting that it's basically guaranteed to lose to certain matchups.
>rock tomb is 95%oh, I thought it was less accurate than rock slide
You need to be at least 2400+ at minimum to hut champion rank. This is going to be annoying.
>>59248319>stone edge is 80%WHY JUST WHY
>>59248330Do you think you even have enough time?Almost have to start early in the month.
>>59246111Endeavor Lycanroc to drop it to 1hp.
>>59248302Your first concession was enough, retard, I didn't need a second.
>>59248347Because high crit is that powerfvl
>>59248356I'm like 2k atm so I could make it if I continue my win streak.
>>59248356what was the earliest recorded score for a champion rank when it first became available?
behead the filthy fucking japnigger who designed archaludon
>>59248347I want a Rock Fang move alreadyBoth Strong Jaw Tyrantrum and Tough Claws M-Aero would benefit from it
>>59247032Live tournaments are done online and have been since gen 8.
They should use Champions to debut new movesThey've already used it to debut the new Mega abilities
>>59247632>imagine doubles without the moves that make doubles work
>>59248398They should add three completely new Megas every month after they add all the current ones.
>>59248384I feel like it was between 2200 and 2300.Can't recall exactly, but we didn't start with 2500 elo being the top.
>>59248360>couldn't come up with a real argument after being exposed for making up disingenuous bullshitkek, pathetic
Everyone keeps kicking my ass and I'll never make it out of Ultra. Why does this game hate me so much to where every single one of my opponents plays like they're at the top of Master?
>>59248453The people still in Ultra are all people with meta teams but who aren't good enough players to make it out of Ultra. They're trapped and they're angry and they're going to make you suffer with them.
>>59248453You could say that all of ranked is like the asura realm.
>>59248390Psychic fangs rock type clone would probably go insane. Just for reliable single target stab on stuff like mega aero and Arcanine
>>59248403They should rebalance existing megas. Also they should delete mega feraligatr
>set up aurora veil>get crit I guess I just dont have the world champ difference tm
>>59248467That's a lie I've been playing for a week since childhood and got to MB4 1800 ELO. You don't need to be good at the game.
I think I miss Hail. If it was so bad, they should hav just made it buff ice-type moves, but instead now I can't break Focus Sash.
>>59248536Legit. Of course getting chip on your own mons is enraging. Same with sand.
>>59248527>That's a lie I've been playing for a week since childhood and got to MB4 1800 ELOThe ELO level was a lot more inflated early on. Most people got around 1800-2000 if they climbed during the first or so week.
Are the only good stats to have lowered atk and sp atk depending on which one your pokemon does
>>59248545I'm 1780 placement 99K or something at the moment. Maybe it's all just about the team you have, since someone posted an ex pro losing to a noob because they were themselves using a crap Hisuiain team.
>>59248554No, lowered speed is good for trick room as the slowest go first. Rarely, mixed attackers might go for a reduced defence. I think maybe mixed attackers are rarer now since every type has both special and physical moves now.
>>59248545>The ELO level was a lot more inflated early on. Most people got around 1800-2000 if they climbed during the first or so week.Because your master ball elo is determined by how well you did in the lower ranks. People who hit master ball early likely had a better winrate than those who took longer.
>>59248564Mixed attackers can be weird sometimes, it depends on the moves you're packing and why you want to use it.I ran Giratina-O as a mixed set, doing the ev calcs meant that an adamant set was still optimal even though I had to invest 68evs into SpAtk to ensure draco ko'd Miraidon. I tried a neutral set and the math simply didn't work out.
i've just accepted that every faggot arch/peli/basc team i encounter is a guaranteed loss. there really is no point in trying to build an entire team just to counter this braindead slop
>>59248613Basculegion is shit it just dies to every sucker punch.
>>59248632max attack m-kanga doesn't kill after a fake out + sucker punch so no, you are incorrect and uneducated
Bug or intended?
>>59248664why would it bypass it? it hits like its supposed to do
>>59248669Is mold breaker not supposed to ignore abilities that proc when you hit them? Does rough skin behave the same way?
>>59248678You can very easily just google how Mold Breaker works and get your answer instead of assuming every interaction you don't understand is a bug.
>>59248644Yeah Kang sucker punch does about half. That's because it's shit also, it's one of those things that can't decide what it wants to be... Like most gen 1 stat spreads.Obviously Gambit sucker punch is what people mean.
>>59248678>The Pokémon's moves are unaffected by the Ability of the target (with certain exceptions).Mold Breaker ignores abilities that affect the damage or effectiveness of attacks (Levitate, Multiscale, Flash Fire). If the ability doesn't affect what the move does, it doesn't get ignored (Rough Skin, Spicy Extract).tl;dr swigg is a retard
>>59248664It's intended since it never worked on things like Flame Body either. These types of abilities activate separately after a move connects. which is probably why they aren't affected.
I got to master and I am glad to have done it. Got the title on a good few pokemon that I like or think it'd fit and think it's my reward for the grind, but the title is stuck in champions and may never be usable in another pokemon game. Man.
>>59246285The metal gremlin is really cute. Glad she's usable.
I'm having a lot of fun. I've never been good at competitive pokemon, I just never had it in me to learn much more beyond "use super effective moves!". I'm still in GreatBall 2 and I know I am not good, but it feels good when I outsmart someone or read their strategy entirely and block it. My only complaint is the AI enemies you get sometimes, does that stop in ultraball?
>>59248783You should only get AI when you get on a losing streak and dunno if it's completely absent in UB but it is in MB
>>59248803I was on a winning streak of 4, beat a guy who was on a streak of 8, then lost my next match and got a bot. I guess if I want to get out of baby mode I have to play better and climb
https://x.com/luixens/status/2051725433800925409
I should stop trying to climb showdown elo and just play this game, showdown feels sweaty and I just get memed on a lot
>>59248852Feel like I play better on Champions because the attack animations give me more time to think out my next move.
Thoughts?https://pokepast.es/0ea338407341943d
>>59248987Keylogger don't click
>>59248987I made another version with Archaludon with 4 attacking moves (Dragon Pulse, Flash Cannon, Electro Shot, Aura Sphere).
>>59248783Turning off Charizard's sun/Frosslass hail with Sableye hits like crack
Finally entered Master Rank for double battles. The last few games were truly RNG heavy. Like I got burned by flare blitz twice in one game on my physical attackers, my attacks hitting low damage rolls in what was otherwise kill range in most circumstances, and an opponent nearly cheesed me with quick claw and fissure/horn drill no lube(entrainment) which activated and landed twice.
>>59249014Gratz anon.
>>59248852Showdown is good for rapid testing new concepts before you commit to spending VP on them in game only to find out it doesn't work. It's also good for bo3 practice for tournaments. If you're just laddering you might as well do it in game.
>>59248767The title you get for Master Ball, Rank Master, is also in SwSh and SV ranked battles. You could probably find a cheesy team to get into MB in those, and then use Pokemon in a battle you want to get the ribbon on.
>>59248278Admittedly Camerupt taking up a mega slot and having less Fire type firepower than Torkoal sucks, but in my experience Camerupt really doesnt need the sun to do its job of murdering what it needs to. But Torkoal is admittedly a better supporter for the team with Drought.
>>59248209It's the opportunity cost. You're comparing Camerupt to Torkoal, but compare Torkoal + another TR Mega (Golurk/Crabominable/Drampa/slow Kang) vs Camerupt + another TR sweeper. Right now your best bet is maybe Rhyperior or Sylveon? And then you either have two mons x4 weak to water or double special attackers. The lack of good TR sweeper right now other than Torkoal and some megas means you don't want your mega to overlap with it. Once Ursaluna and Indeedee are back we'll have better TR options.
>>59249020I really appreciate the congrats anon!
New bread>>59249209>>59249209>>59249209
