Baltimore editionPokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch and mobile. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.>NewsReg MC is now live. Baltimore Regionals September 18-20th. Stream:https://www.youtube.com/live/glHaZKkad3k?is=MMZXreMqm_gaGQUc>Resources and useful linksCommunity Tournaments usage data: https://pikalytics.com/Ladder usage data: https://pokechamdb.com/enDamage Calculatorhttps://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/New Player Guide(NEW PEOPLE READ THIS):https://rentry.org/pcg-guide (now taking suggestions and feedback)Quick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.Ask in the thread if you want any specific Pokémon, and someone will respond.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 Teammate Tickets (recruit Pokemon without using VP), 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music. Only available on Switch for now.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Only E-Floette require ZA transfer.>/pcg/ OP pastebin (use this if making new thread): https://pastebin.com/d2FJZdPhPrevious >>59599749
FREE MYTHICALS
UB has never been more competitive
i hope bunba chan is doing well with the qualifiers and training for M-C. i miss her bros....
Gengar should get prankster
>>59602720Just give him levitate back. How can you make fucked up ghosts like pult and Gholdengo after you kill an OG. It's like giving Mega Charizard Y solar power
I'm getting mangled so badly this season vs last one I don't know if I even want to try that VGC doubles tournament thing.
I feel everyone is out to counter team me every time I tilt, there's discord, reddit and twitter trannies discussing my team and building teams hoping they match up against me as I write this post
>>59602803you are likely just countering yourself being too reactionary or just never doing obvious reads
Drampa @ Expert Belt/Life Orb32HP/30SpA/4SpD-Thunderbold-Earth Power-Flamethrower-Snarl/ProtectPair with a Trick room setter with a healing move and decimate weather teams
>>59602821Quiet nature ofc
>>59602821does it tank moonblast from whimsicott?
what's with all the sand lately
>>59602889Probably seeing as it can survive dragon pulse from arch with no boosts, Energy Ball is also an option as i've been seeing a mini Swampert resurgance
>>59602937>i've been seeing a mini Swampert resurganceHow when rilla
>>59602941swamperts butt buddies peli and arch are good into rilla
>>59602957oh yeah and goliso has joined the squad too
>>59602603Mexican Pill me on CHADlucha. How do I make him standout v. SNEEDler.
>last respects isn’t a contact moveMakes sense cause it’s basc dead fish brothers attacking you or something, fucks over Lucario z though, who drops to the 100 BP last respects
>>59602957Pert peli arch all lose to zard and co lol
>one shots Lucario Z
>>59602992This charizard disrespect is getting out of hand imo. I’m farming teams on champions and bo3 ladder that just lose to zard in TW. Also no, a single harc is not enough to check zard
>>59602992and zard stocks are currently down
>>59602995It’s going to be back for Baltimore. Lots of top players will take advantage of the teams that don’t have a zard matchup
>>59602998I'm not totally confident.While I will say Zard has like 10-20% usage in any given online tourney, its results in big ones >128 players seems random. Like 1 tournament it has 45% win rate, but still wins the tournament, while the next is 60% win rate, but it just makes top cut.
Imprison makes me want to go to prison in minecraft
Why is ally switch a thing
>>59603100It's a cool move.
>>59603101>opponent using ally switch farigiraf and wide guard aerodactyl>cant use spread moves>cant use priority moves>single target moves may hit wrong target
>>59603100>enemy ally siwtches>I was clicking astral barrage anyways soooooGood times...
>>59602993Who?
>>59603179blue gex
electro shot
Alright /pcg/! Let's build a perfect team, that both beats meta and is meta. A team that answers everything and leaves an opponent clueless as to how to respond!
>>59603242Not possible.Megas are like restricted metas where your team is very matchup dependent.
>>59603242i contribute pincurchin and grapploct
Garchomp in Kalos? Nah, this is DRAGALOS. Wow! The lore goes deeper than I thought. These flying ground dragones pulled up to the Gateway in Lumiose city. Damn, wild zone 12 so icy. There was nothing there until... ZYGARDE OPENED THE PORTAL. Oh shit, there it is! Dragalos! They were greeted by Mega Salamence the Luminous, first Dragon Mega. He showed these boys around and covered the true lore. Dragons weren't born in Kanto, they were born in Hoenn! Suddenly the ground-type dragons were surrounded. No sub-par megas had been let in for generations. They were taken to the Dragalos High Council for questioning. Only true Dragons could pass the test. Does Chomp-Z have Levitate? YES! They draco meteored the OGs and were unanimously granted viability. They were each given Kalosan Fairy-types as an offering. It got them thinking. You know who would really fuck with it here? Oh yeah, the steel-bugs gotta pull up.
Whens covert cloak
>>59602821>decimate weather teams>does nothing to swampert
Holy fuck, why is ub2 so brutal at the moment? Every single fight I've been in was against one of those tourney team with a competent player. I can't win a match in ub1 without losing the one after. I'm stuck hovering between ub1 and ub2 and it's not going to be an easy climb.
>>59603336You should probably wait until next week when Balitimore has come and gone.May ease up a bit.
How do you guys go about modifying your teams? It feels like any time I try to address something I'm encountering, I run into something new.It's like playing whack-a-mole and I feel like an idiot, (I AM an idiot to be clear, I just don't like feeling like one)
>>59603348I give it more games before changing something resist the urge to put in some hyper specific tech
volcarona is so good right now bros i think volcarona will win baltimore regionals
>>59603267Ok, that's a start. We'll decide on moves and natures later, for now let's focus on the roster>>59603265Solution in simple - just don't use megas ;^) or contribute the most broken one or something idk
>>59603357Alolan Raichu
>>59603341It would be easier but I did learn in a very tiring way that my team is indeed good enough to handle all this crap so if I don't make it to mb, I'm still satisfied.
>>59603353Volc got grassy seed back and Rilla. Time for bulking.
>>59603348Sounds like you're knee jerking.If you play 20 games and 1 of them has an outlier mon that beats you, you probably don't need to worry about it too much since you're not seeing it enough.Now if the meta shifts and you start seeing it more, sure, adapt. But don't hyper focus on some meme team that stomped you because you didn't know what they were doing.
India is joining the circuit.good grief tournaments are going to be even smellier
>>59603287if they add this back it needs to be one of those items that announces itself on entry (contrary to its name)
>>59603353idk if it will be volcarona specifically, but it'll be at least one of the mons doing the "boost the fuck up while my partners spam fake out and disruption" strat, it's so strong right now
>>59603385Already had a really high concentration of Indians in the circuit. They just didn't wear the Indian flag.
>>596033693 more!
>>59603411Grassy Seed Grass Pelt Gogoat
skill swap indeedee kinda be really annoying actually
Does Champions actually do any rotating, or is it just constantly adding stuff to the meta until the inevitable collapse of balance?
>>59603488hasn't been out long enough to know if they'll do that like with SV
Can you guys help me with a shiny female indeedee for my team?
>>59603491Wonder what's going to happen to Tera
>>59603488They'll likely start rotating after the number of available pokémon has grown large enough, but not yet
>>59603341Finally did it. Doubles mb3. And I'll admit, with this line-up, it should have been a cakewalk but holy fuck, it was not.
We are almost done with the roster! Just 2 more!
in your experience what's the best utility move for politoed?i find that i'm just clicking weather ball when I want to delete stuff and not clicking muddy water very often i see some sets run encore but isn't he a bit too slow for that?there's also perish but i don't have a spot for gengar
>>59603537Rilla + M Blastoise with Terrain Pulse. Seems like a cute gimmick to swap terrains and shit also gogoat value ofc
And we are done! Now let's finish the abilities, items and moves.
>>59603544icy windslow encore is great for hard readsand you can just raw perish in endgame
>>59603563speed swap fake out thunderbolt expanding raichu timid sash
>>59603563Water Pulse Dark Pulse Protect Modest Blastoise Adamant Life Orb Wood Hammer Glide High Horse Power Fake Out on Rilla
>>59603563Shell Smash on Blastoise.You want to actually do damage.
how do we get them to remove archaludon from the game
Almost done!>>59603603Which move are we replacing?
>>59603617they just need to add more good earth power users
>>59603618Milk Drink Bulk Up Leech Horn Leaf Blade on Gogoat
>>59603618Replace terrain pulse.
1980 elo, just 2 more games and I get champion tier with Grapploct.. Please...
Protect makes me absurdly angry
>>59603544Locking them into a move is valuable even if it’s slow. Even if you read wrong you know what’s coming next (a switch)
>>59603641>>59603639Two more>>59603654Share your knowledge!
>>59603690Trade leaf blade for grassy glide pls.You'll want the priority.
>>59603690Switch leaf blade for rock slide for the charizard
>>59603690zing zap sucker protect curse lefties pincurchin brave
>>59603734>>59603737Yeah I was thinking horn leech is good enough for a grass move and leaf blade kind of redundant. Priority is good, but >we have that on rilla. Goat isn't fast enough to slap zard with rock slide, but at the same time...I'll leave rock slide for now cause I like coverage, but definitely worth discussing this.>>59603746noted
>start using sirfetch'd>game matches me with every psyspam user ever
Soon
It is surreal how much I hate rillaboom and incin. Fuck fake out. Fuck terrain.
>every game is gambling if you'll match up into a pod, mence, or zardy team>very hard to/can't realistically solve all equations
>>59603902Here some nickname ideas for your future Farigirafhttps://www.enchantedlearning.com/wordlist/palindromes.shtml
>>59603915I love farig, and I love hard TR, but farig is just fucking boring and there are so few interesting things it can do.
>>59603921The fake out hate isn't that surreal then, is it?You could also just try non standard giraf, ally switch wish is fun to heal your guys, baton pass or nasty plot, you can even gravity if you don't want to miss heat wave twice in a row
>>59603804Sill need to decide on grapploct. I'm a little worried about the coverage, so perhaps he should be a weakness slave? What do >we do with the grap /vp/?
>>59603930storm throw ice punch brutal swing detect it is
>>59603930>>59603943This but - brutal swing +whatever his trapping move that drops stats is, especially if you have a contrary guy around
>>59603930>>59603943Circle throw could be fine too to get rid of set up mons or stop trick roomtopsy turvy for the memes
>>59603902Bruh, just use an Indeedee-F. Her fat ass makes her so slow that her terrain goes last and prevents all priorities move being used against you, including fake-out.
>>59603982Mine's on maternity leave :-/
>>59603982It speed ties with monkey so it's a coin flip if its min speed tooI lost that flip many times
>>59603982what if they switch in rillaboom on turn 1also i hate grassy terrain, with the main reason being that it makes games take so much longer due to each pokemon healing individuallyand honestly it helps my opponents more often than not
>>59603982She is incredibly easy to double up turn 1, and generally runs with a mon that could also be super punished. She sucks as a setter. Farig with a fake outter is goated.
>>59603967yeah why notdo note that grapp is one of the faster TR mons tho
>>59603999>easy to double up turn 1Isn't that the whole point of follow me? Sacrifice it to get the room up AND your sweeper in safely next turnwait, it's a sacrifical goat
>>59603987Then they spent a turn on a switch in just for a single fakeout. You can switch out your Indeedee out on that and turn then back in on the next to deny them priority moves as well, or use a move on the Indeedee-F to screw them over.
>>59604004Yeah, pincurchin too, so ignore that part
>>59603999Do you not run protect on your Indeedee-F? Generally, you want her to get doubled-up on (what a slut) so your other pokemon gets to do a setup or kill the two of them at the same time. If you know they're going to double-up on her, then protect, if not, follow me.
>>59604005Are you retardeed? I'm saying you click trick room 1 turn, then you take 2 hits to the face and die. Then you are gambling will the enemy do this, double up your partner, split, etc. It's not reliable and extremely risky. Trick room doesn't go up and you're potentially -1
>>59604014Why would you intentionally choose a strat that is an additional coin flip (or two) literally every single game? Farig sets up TR in almost all situations safely, and the times you can't - it's pretty obvious.
>>59604015You fool, I mentioned follow me, so you're protecting your real setter
>>59604020>likely sac indeedee to set up TRis this not just way worse than farig + fake outter? you're still FOR SURE at -1 then
GIVE BODY SLAM 95 POWER!!!!!!!Normals have been shafted by the lack of Return for too long and they deserve a consistent 95 Base Power move, way more than faires
>>59604017Because she's bait, you want them to attack her so your other pokemon gets to do massive damage or outright kill them with their attack. Unless you're aiming for hard TR, then the other pokemon needs to be bait so she can get TR off.
>>59604028is there a strategy here where it's beneficial to lose indeedee turn 1 while Mgarde or whatever sets TR, then you instantly get to bring out your other TR sweeper turn 2? probably run feint?
>>59604028That's just the way it is, I still got monkey on my team cause fake out it's more realible indeedee, but if the psychic terrain is up or they have a farig of their own, then it's a better option I think, it's also a great bait for dark types expecting expanding force spam, to then meet life orb dazzling gleam hat
>>59604034Can you explain the difference in choosing/playing tr vs hard tr? would the team you're describing not all be min speed and just in general slower than most meta threats, so you're taking advantage of TR rather than completely playing around it stat wise?
>>59604039In this situation, can't the gambit just ironhead hatterene instead? that seems like the safer play AND punishes what you are saying
In gen 10 they should introduce a pokemon with an ability that automatically sets trick room on switch in
>>59604043Yeah, but I followed me, so the iron head goes on the deed while hat get's trick room up, the partner incin darkest lariat on my colbur eartlier that daythis was a real turn of events, but fake out rilla + giraf would have worked just as well
>>59604052I get what you're saying and it'sinteresting to me, but I just don't know if it's worth it - and you kind of have to run hatterene or mgarde. >rillakhang is still goated
>>59604040Hard TR is that you must get TR up, soft is just playing around with the inherent slowness of your team while having the option to go fast. In this situation, soft TR is having your lead pokemon where Indeedee draws aggro while the other sweeps them with a powerful and slow move so you trade one pokemon for two, which means you have 3 pokemon to their 2. If your remaining 2 are fast sweepers, you're basically coming out ahead. Hard TR is essentially that, your entire team relies on TR, you have no other option.
>>59604066I get that, but if theoretically you could play soft TR, why would you ever play hard? What determines you understanding if you can get away with soft?
I got a few consecutive wins with Sirfetchd, but then I started losing with him. Is he at all viable? I was thinking of trying TR with him, but I looked at his speed and he seems slightly too fast to do THAT well in TR.
>>59604070Because hard TR means your enemy can never go first ever outside of priority. It's basically 5 turns of your pokemon always going first so if your team is stupidly powerful enough to compensate for their slowness, you can sweep their entire team in 5 turns or less even if they initially outnumber you 4 to 3. Unless they have a pocket slow pokemon just to counter TR, then it's 5 turns trying to either stall or play around your attacks.
Trick room players when you tell them sometimes you're ok not setting up trick room because the other guy's team is slower
>>59604080Real trick room players won't have the other guy's team being slower
>>59604086What if his torkoal is holding an iron ball and his farig has macho brace? Hmmm??
>>59604072/ourguy/ aaron cybertron zhang has a vid on tr fetch'd
>>59604093this fucker is so shit, he CANNOT play into mence or psyspam
>>59603902>It is surreal how much I hate rillaboom and incinlol. they are still missing their bear boyfriends who are even more cancerous
>>59604080on what planet is the enemy slower than you other than if they are a hard TR team - in which case you already lost in that front period, istg u fucking niggers that think tr is a brainlet strat are so stupid
>>59604102Bear is gonna be so much more mid now. Unseen fist is houndstone water
>>59604092Then I'll have meet my senior, but my cloud nine drampa should still win the match up
i'm going to run 0 speed investment + -speed nature mence + farig to beat other mence teams
>>59604114Might as well just sylveon, leave the regular mence to clean up after trick room ends
What exactly does rillaboom do? Grassy terrain kind of sucks and exists just to overwrite psychic, then it just fake out's and u-turns out. Fucking NOTHING gets hit decent by wood hammer. How is this considerably the most used mon?
>>59604118For me, it stopped the fish
What is raichuy doing that makes it so fotm? Killing salamence? Does focus blast OHKO pod? Why would you waste a mega slot for this?
>>59604118He exists to counter the meta pokemon from the previous regulation, hence why you never see them much in the current one.
>>59604127He is literally the most used mon, by a lot, in tournaments. https://x.com/VGCdata/status/2100981281450344575/photo/1
>>59604123it's just a generic fuck you die button that's good into all the bulky tards like arch incin milo raptor ttar etc. with the added bonus of being faster than shit like sneedler (minus the feed)
>>59604136God that is so lame but makes sense. It's just a safe choice. I also don't understand why it's paired with mraptor, maybe just the team comp lends itself to it and the 2 modes?I think the meta is RIPE for final gambit again.
>>59604141It's for mindgames since you're not sure which sweeper they're going to use. Pikachu can fakeout, which means mraptor can take out one pokemon safely. Or they can do the reverse where raptor does final gambit to take out one while RaichuY kills the other and starts sweeping.
>>59604149Is this implying at team select or turn 1 bringing both and not sure which will mega?
I understand the concept of assault vest arch, but if it can't protect, i'm just gonna double up the fuckerHow good was it in past gens? I only got into vgc now
>>59604151That's thing, it doesn't matter. They always have a choice of when they want to use it since Pikachu has lightning rod, which has its niched uses while Raptor has intimidate. Knowing when to use either of their mega is part of the mindgames.
>>59604152It was good when it had body press
>>59604152remember that arch was also in a game with tera so sometimes it was just literally satan if you didn't bring in the good stuff like urshifu or lando
>>59604152It was crazy good. It would have stamina + body press, which it can't do now. With the AV buff, its special defense was pretty good and would stick around for a while.
>>59603921Tsareena is another option
>>59604164>>59604165>>59604167Thank you, forgot about tera and no body press now, besides you wouldn't know the item unless it was open sheet, so you can't just assume vest
Is Raichu X really best off as another special attacker? Is it just a less min-maxed Raichu Y? I was excited to use it after ZA, Volt Tackle granting an attack boost and cool flying animations made this thing seem so cool but it seems like there's nothing worth using about it in Champions.
>>59604229blame the intimidatebrosalso kinda too frail to spam recoil and it's mainly used to cheese terrain interactions
>>59604253>when your team is comprised of mostly SpA attackersFeels good to never have to play into their intimidate autism where they try to get as many in as possible but I couldn't care less about attack
Fought a Archaludon that had Light Screen and Snarl I'm gonna rope.
>>59603930>>59603943>>59603951>>59603967I like the meme part. Tempted to give GRAPP def and sdef investment. Maybe give him bullet/mach punch instead of storm throw?What are we thinking of >our team so far? Any changes?
>>59604290this team almost instantly dies to incin arch and pod so you gotta keep storm throw for insurance
>jamie boyt posting about how he had a leek cosmog team>doesn't post any evidenceOk bro
>>59604290Storm throw is insanely based. The crit through any boosts + intimidate is great
If the game was more generous with VP I wouldn't be forced into using simple beam stockpile psych up cheese, I need my volcarona team cause fuck goldengo A.K.A. Game Freaks biggest mistake and making salamences hit like rattatas is my way of getting the VP to facilitate it
>>59602312>>59602314Any recommendations for improvements anons? Tried what the anon said about Defog with Talonflame but forgot that also removes my own Aurora Veil which is needed to keep my pokemon alive. Fallen back down to 1300s and I genuinely hate terrains now.
Indeedee f is such a crutch for me, what an obnoxious pokemon
>>59604353crutch for what? it's not that useful
>>59604109im talking about Ursaluna not water bear
I see these guys with greninja and the whole team not running protect getting to MB2 but here i am playing correctly yet stuck on UB4 hell and keep getting matched with tryhard players who clearly reached Champion in past cycles. Wtf is going on
>>59604359Follow Me shenanigans without being able to be Fake Outed
>Basc survived max atk miracle seed grassy glideCan you actually EV train to survive that or was that a low roll
>>59604341team seems pretty unga bunga without any real support or synergy you probably oughta replace gambit or milo with a utilitymon and froslass or sneedler with a different hard hitter doesn't seem like there's anything to be scared of here
>>5960438132+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Basculegion in Grassy Terrain: 222-264 (97.7 - 116.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO32 Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Basculegion in Grassy Terrain: 204-240 (89.8 - 105.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKOEven Jolly Rilla and Max HP Basc, it's a roll.
I feel like there is literally no reason to play trick room, ever, other than because other people will. 99.9% of my games would be easier just running tw mence or something.
>>59604387Froslass hits pretty hard into a lot of things with Blizzard and Shadow Ball (only has a few points in SpAtk). Any good replacement ideas for Sneedler, Milotic and/or Gambit? Biggest issues have been Indeedee (both versions) and Arch. Latter has me considering going back to HSamurott but the amount of Intimidaters running around at the moment doesn’t make it look too appealing.
>>59604411>heh, fools, running anything except big 6 like me and my enlightened mind
I get too attached to pokepixels, last reg it was azumaril, now it's audino, I feel like Sejun Park with his pachirisuKarenfags seem to ignore the fact that mons can become favs cause of cool niche things they can do competitively, like Togekiss isn't the coolest pokemon but boy is it fun flinchmaxxing if you are the giver and not on the receiving end
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonChampions/comments/1wk9d9e/i_just_learned_about_revival_blessing/?utm_source=app_first_navigation&mweb_loid=t2_2n3ipcopj5Hmm
if you were the rock eater that just beat me with pod with first impression AND sucker punch this picture is for you
>>59604401Thanks anon
>>59604438BASED BASED BASEDStay mad retard
I'm losing my mind trying to play the mindgames on who my opponent will attack when I open psyspam. Why is it always fucking indeedee over mgarde? It doesn't make sense.
>>59604417>utilitypranksters and redirectors of your choosing, incin (but replace harc if you pick this one)honestly sneedler can stay but give it the seed and feed
>>59604446it is not based and its retarded because FI sucks and his pod is next to unusable during terrain which is in like 90% of games, bro is retarded and got lucky - and probably isn't smart enough to realize it and enjoy it
>>59604448Because if you take away the ability to set terrain, once it's over written, you can't set it back up. Same thing for weather but indeedee is more likely to stay on the field than Pelipper. Also they could assume it's going to trick room while garde attacks.
>>59604448They skip your follow me mind games when dd dies
>>59604451Aren’t Prankster users bad now with Psychic Terrain being everywhere? Also probably right with Incin over Harcanine with the amount of Psyspam I’ve been running into.
>play while sleepy>tank my rank from 1710 to the higher end of 1400s hell deluding myself that my team plays itself>play while alert>recoup lost points with a 6 win streak
>>59604456yeah add incin and you basically just have dollar store slop 6 desu you just gotta learn to read
>>59604457
>>59604457what is sneaslers role to be so prevalent
>lose coinflip at mon select>enemy turn 1 rolls DOUBLE blizzard freeze>close app
>>59604468seed and blow up his fellow big 6ers
Trying to make a Mega Blastoise team, who do I pair this dude with? Was having some luck with Farigiraf and Politoed, not sure about the rest of the team though or if Indeedee would be better instead of the giraffe.
>>59604472WHO does he kill besides rillaboom? salamence is crushign his skull for sure and he's not hitting basc well.
>>59604468Sneedler
>>59604452k
>>59604476incin gambit floettearchdeedumsanyone squishy enough will also die to sanic speeds cc
>>59604477>>59604468>>59604472>can't hit mence>can't hit pod (enough)>can struggle with arch>can't hit gholdengo>can't fake out in terrain and puts itself at a risk for dd being swapped in turn 1 to cancel fake out and lose momentum>gets intimidated and is playing in a very defensive statted metaI feel like he has to be the single most overused mon that won't survive as the meta progresses. I also feel like gambit is overstaying his welcome, and is around because he checks the shit out of psyspammers and fish. please educate me im missing something
>>59604457>>59604485this is me with rillaboom, he never does anything in my games on my team or the enemies (i don't play rain). i figured he would just be a 6th slot check to rain teams but people actually bring him >>59604457
sneedler exists to buttfuck incin/gambit because it's so fast for fake out and kills them, and if they swap in dd for fake out failure, then you just click cc (or don't, because they will switch)
>>59604492>>59604488gorilla exist to drop grassy terrain turn 1 so sneedler gets boost + unburden and doesn't need tw.
>>59604485sneedler is basically a retard check if you didn't account for it you might as well kill yourself (if he doesn't kill you first with unburden cc)and you understand that people bring gholdengo because of it, and sneedlers now run coverage over fake out for the deedees and is also ran alongside them
>flare blitz brings me to 3%>can still win if i keep golisopod up one more turn, rain is up and can easily leech life after a liquidation kill on incin>10% burn chance hits, kills mefeels bad
I hope the now two people whose teams are at least half Intimidate users are glad I've put Scarf Milotic back on my team. fuck you.
>>59604468Unstoppable fakeout, turn 0 unburden, oneshots rilla, oneshots incin, oneshots floette, outruns every pokemon in the game even in tailwind except other sneaslers, can proc sleep on its high damage STAB move, I can go on.
Yeah keep trying to reverse my trick room, I will keep trying to put it up whether you like it or not
Kingambit is kinda mid this gen, I am using it as a matchup mon but what's the point if gholdenigs keep pairing gholdengo with Sneed
>>59604625Chopple it up o algo
Fuck mega floette Imagine paying $80+100 hrs to win at a F2P game
Your rillaboom helps my team more than it helps yours, I love being able to hold a preferred item + leftovers
My favourite play is using Simple Beam on megamence/sylveon getting rid of adaptability on basc is also fun
>>59604103suddenly>Torkoal used Eruption!
mega banette is pretty underated
>Zard falls off>Dengo becomes obnoxious
>>59604641for me i did it all for her.
Not sure if my opponent let me win cause he was curious what wigglytuff was made of (or his farig didn't have trick room) but thanks anon who sent me the wigglytuff, it played a vital role in destroying a rain team on its debut, oh how awesome it is to disable Electro Shot from arch
>>59604667Prankster Destiny Bond and then Poltergeist the turn after is really strong bros, since he's slow af it makes Destiny Bond basically 2 turns while also threatening huge damage from poltergeist
>i am... forgotten...
>>59604705>learns heat wavei will now use her.
>>59604705I lost to one in BSS I stupidly let get greedy with buffs
>>59604488rilla doesn't do any one thing that it does exceedingly well, it just compresses so many roles into one slotremoving opposing terrain, fake out, slow pivot, priority, and hard checking basc are things that you need at least 2 pokemon to do all at once with anything else
>>59604763Wood Hammer legit deletes shit too
One fat cat please
MDB streaming the VR tournament
>>59603905There is one Pokemon that has a great matchup into all three of those. It also brings a phenomenal amount of support into all other battles too.
I'm tired of these monthly BSS tournaments
>>59604641>spend more time immersed in the Pokemon world>obtain better, rarer pokemonyou can literally gen it for free from a website if you want one so bad, sour grapes
>>59604705What's the point of this thing
>>59604873he's cute :)
>>59604873to delay mega mothim
Grapploct learns soak to hit ghosts with storm throw, get rid of stab and make them weak to monkey, try it in your trick room teams
https://youtu.be/JDemRS4meCM?t=1478
What is the mental illness that causes timer stalling from turn 1 to the entire game? He has less time than the rest of the match and is going to lose from time out anyways.
>>59604899That's cool to know, I love change type moves but araquanid is kinda mid and want to try something else, anyone care to help me out with a Grapploct along with Persian Alola please >>59604805
>>59604805>>59604920just a sec, or a min
>>59604923Thanks a lot
>>59604839Its just 3 games
>>59604873Bronzong for retards
>minimize overqwil player quit right before I was going to psych up their boostsThank God, that would've been a pain to play for both of us
>>59604916Sometimes enemies deserve to be forced to wait. You can tell from the start of the game, they’re going to spam fake out, or they have all guys that are just faster than yours, shit like that. No fun, no sportsmanship type teams where they just pick the easiest option every time. They’re not actually playing the game and thus deserve to have as much of their time stolen as possible, as retribution for the time of yours they stole just by queueing.
Never thought i'd end up being a toxapex player but here i am Wide Guarding Hyper Voices and Expanding Forces
>>59604985I hope you get hit by non stop shattered psyches and gigavolt havocs
>>59604985And what if the enemy does wide guarding as well?
>>59602603I’m here at baltimore
ENOUGH WITH THE PSYSPAM YOU MOONRUNE RICE FUCKERS! How often would a Scarfed Ditto Transfoming into my own mega or opponent’s powerhouses (bridge, Megamence, etc. work in my favor?
>>59605000any hot women there
>>59605000hope you do well anon
>>59605004almost never
>>59605000smell status?>>59605007>womenlol
>>59605007>any hot women thereKek Mr Bond
Maybe it's just me, but it looks like a lot more Zards entered the Victory Road tournament.
I've been enjoying this so far.
>>59605056Best of 1 special
>>59605008Thank you
You can follow along with the Victory Road Standings here.https://circuit.victoryroad.pro/tournament/vr-sep26-2
Absol Z is the new Mega Beedril, I fucking hate it and myself for being unable to make it work
>>59605096It was always going be this way.I'm not sure why Absol is popular to begin with and why it needed a mega, let alone 2.
>>59605041Told you zard was on the rise again
>>59605122>>59605041my seedler already has rockslide
When you are playing with seed sneasler and rillaboom, are you meant to open that? What happens when they open dd and its slower and overwrites terrain? My current team has this mode + gambit/dhengo or one that can bring salamence/zardy. I'm not sure where/how to improve and I hate this big 6 slop.
>>59605136If they have dd you generally want to keep Rilla in the back to overwrite the terrain
I just played against an interesting team. They opened dd + sneasler with psyseed and the other 4 mons on their team were tr sweepers. So basically if you don't have a way to double up dd turn 1, (which is hard because sneasler outspeeds every single thing in the game since it has psyseed, and will likely ohko one of your double uppers) they are in such a good position.
BALTIMORE LIVE NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/live/glHaZKkad3kLive Standingshttps://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000192/masters/
>>59605166Ok I guess this is common because I just played against it again game 2, more or less, except this rock eater retard follow me'd and got his skull crushed
>>59605122I never stopped playing Zard, he's my boy.You told me nothing.
>>59605166niggas have been running this since like m-c day 2 man
>>59605180I guess the stop is open something that doesn't die to seedler and kill before tr goes up
>>59605185I feel like sneasler, gambit, arcanine, and fish will fall. Chomp will rise.
Any Twitch drops or anything this time around like with Worlds? I missed the free Incineroar and clothing last time.
>>59605193chomp stonks will remain down as long as gorilla stonks are up unless someone makes helmet chomp famous or something
>>59605198No.I'm just completely uninterested by the mons we get in Champions since they're just in a cherish ball and can never leave.
>>59605185Where's Mega Shit Cumshot?
>>59605185Charizard Y bros?
>>59605219Just wait for the conversion rate.The VR tourney looks a little more in line with its meta position.
>about to start Swiss 2>stream dies
>>59605185Is Rillaboom that good or is it new toy syndrome
>>59605227works on youtube
We get to find out immediately whether the old meta can still hang.
>>59605229Look at all the previous meta pokemon from the last regulation. Look at their numbers now.
>>59605231This "new" meta team has Klefki, Glimmora snd Volcarona though...
>>59605229it keeps a lot of stuff out just by existing
>>59605239Good picks.I think Klefki has a very particular niche in the meta, better than Grimm for sure.
>>59605229>new toy syndromeLiterally go look at all the S/V tournaments
i like volcarona
>Fallen back down to low 1200sI don’t know why I keep coming back to the game at this point but I’m already missing Reg M-B. >No Rape Ape>No Indeedee (both of them)>No Mega Golisopod or ZChomp (shit when I use them but unkillable when opponents use them)>No Terrain outside the occasional XRaichu>All returning Pokemon in Reg M-C keep the moves that made them busted while previous ones had them lose some of their bullshittery >Match algorithm seems completely fucked where I’m constantly getting matched with moonrunes who are on win streaks and at least 100 points higher than me.
zardbros its over
Charizard didn't do shit
Volcarona is so peak. I'm happy to see a bug mon doing well.
VOLCARONA VOLCARONA VOLCARONA VOLCARONA VOLCARONA VOLCARONA
Chomp needed to use rock slide T1, what the fuck was he doing?
whats the point of klefki
>>59605276Priority screens, resists Mence, better than grimm in this meta.
>>59605276sableye but bulkier
>>59605264>50% to Mence from not very effective move
>>59605286sableye is immune to fakeout tho
>>59605292Sableye doesn't have Dazzling Gleam though
>>59605293klefki has 80 special attack nigga
>>59605297>spread move of one of the best types in the gameAnd?
>>59605297are you not seeing these niggas getting chipped to death
just started, i played in the XY era.How do i improve?what do you recommend?
>Mencecucks
>>59605301>>59605185
Does Nick Garchomp not have Rock Slide? What the fuck is he doing
>>59605301Just play some indeedee/expanding force team, it's very tedious to play against.
>>59605314aero might have wide
>>59605314Real reason:The prevalence of Rillaboom necessitates the inclusion of a single target ground move to actually do damage, so rock slide is on the chopping block.
menceGODS
>>59605287>loses
>>59605327That's what partners are for.
>>59604973at this point i am willing to throw all games with dragon rush misses just to witness an overqwil player forfeit.
the youtube chat is fucking aids what the fuck
>>59605334first time on youtube?
wolfey is playing mence psyspam I am hearing
when does wolfe play
>>59605229>Is Rillaboom that goodholy newfag
>>59605259You're just mad your precious weather team is not meta anymore.
pokemon go has real women competitors
>>59605360as opposed to fake women?
Golispod and Pawmot on stream
cumshot time
gm
Rillaboom learns so many good moves that even without Assault Vest he doesn't go for Protect
That double protect was so clutch.
>double protectMega Shit Cumshot bros...
the pod didnt do anything there
>>59605393He did a fuck ton of damage actually, only reason he lost was a dobule protect
>>59605395it was the male primarina that shit out damage
>>59605398Why did you have to mention the male part?
Cumshot is doing it
>>59605385
shitshot is winning by luck...
nice game pokekeks
>lost to a 25% paralysis
>para'd into critskill issue LMAO
>>59605420its 1/8
it's over for pod
is Freezai our guy?
is there a b stream?
>psych up mega metagross
altaria mentioned
bruh
Who the hell runs psych up
>>59605514the niggers at the battle facilities
>1%
>>59605523not rigged btw
T-tar is my fvarking hero
metafraud
>Muddy water reducing the accuracy of Corvnight, which gets reflected by Mirror Armor, which then increases Milotic SpA by 2lmao
Metagrossbros...
rip
SANDCHADS MARCH FORWARD
How on earth did Ttar survive a body press?
>>59605578Have you seen T-tar stats?
>>59605578He's HIM.
blunder opening showdown, crashing out because whatever tournament is screens vs. stall and going back to the player interview lmfao
wolfe lost this game
>>59605579Yes, I love running ttar, but it's a base 110 defense body press.>>59605582The honored one...
Why doesn't wolfe have cam
>>59605598this is a prerecorded matchhe already lost according to the standings
The Zard/Aero team is probably the most meta relevant archetype that Zard has left.
cant beat the zard
>>59605604Aero is good into Mence
>>59605618Zard's matchup into Mence is very neutral due to its insane damage output in the sun.Aero's matchup is good, but as with anything it's down to what your partners enable you to do.
>>59605538>forgets to protectgg https://files.catbox.moe/jqy5qy.jpg
Navarre is one of those voices/mannerisms you don't leave kids around. Not fair, but that's the nature of physiognomy.
>>59605644Nigga why would you save that to your computer
Fuck Basculegion and King Gambit in this game. Game would be better without them.
>>59605670there's a reason rilla and sneasler are now #1 and #2 respectively
zardgods stay strong
rahgav predicted this
you really can just throw random shit into rilla-incin-sneas and itll work
>>59605684>both hard countered by charizard y
>>59605718zero charizards carry flying moves but many sneaslers carry rock slide doesn't seem like a good trade
>>59605724>wide guards youStep aside.
Perish Trap is braindead and uncompetitive
getting perish cheesed on stream must not feel good
>>59605734Anything to win
which teams we stealin
I just woke up, what's doing well, I did see the end of that perish trap match but haven't seen anything else.
perish trap is a literal strat for trannies
>>59605765there was a funny power trip corv game Joey won with
>>59605768TR psyspam with garde is the most tranny archetype
>>59605799Feels weird, I haven't partaken in the psyspam stuff yet but I'm a huge Mega Shit Cumshot fan and it's appearing he is just best served in a psyspam shell.
HOLY SHIT IT'S STARMIE
>masking in 2020+6.5
>tanga berry for the one bug in the formatjesus
>>59605827it covers his weak jaw somewhat
>>59605827>not mitigating con plague in the year of our lord 2000+26retard
Double protect in front of coil milotic for rng manipulation
basculegion is the number two reason I run rillaboom ...coil milotic is number one
why does this nigga just let milotic boost up
>>59605866both of his megas are terrified of the dragapult idk why he protected with kingambit on game 1 when milo and pult were on the field though, wtf was he scared of
Clicks acrobatics instead of dire claw for no reason
>>59605875He was scared of having a Sucker bluff called out and getting burned for his troubles from Pult's Will-o-Wisp probably.
goofymanbros... it was our time..
Shit Cumshot W/L?
Just press Coil a few times. It's that easy
>>59603100>Summon Aurorus and Giraff>Aurorus has 4x weakness against steel and fighting>Every Fighting and Steel types moves (but Goldengos signature) are single targets.>Opponent target Aurorus with a fight/steel attack>SIKE, Giraff swapped place, ate the move and Aurorus got an attack in
>>59603100Remember when it used to be even stronger and like everything got it for some reason? Good times.
bro geeking tf out
I give up trying to make a Blastoise team. Monke too stong.
>rillaboom is overrated-man running a full team that hard counters rillaboom
>>59605931I dunno man, the fact that an entire team can counter a mon and still be strong into everything else when previous meta threats had to be specifically tech'd to be beaten (i.e that Scov-Frosslass team adding in Lycanroc so they don't get gaped by Charizard Y on Team Preview) does kinda say something about it.
>>59605411>tfw Froslass doesnt get freeze dry but Glalie does
>>59605944rilla is more like a garchomp than a charizard, no one techs against either unless you are specifically weak to them
>5 minutes of pokemon>20 minutes of bullshit>repeatthis shit is worse than football
can someone please tell me a good team to use? i'm in mb4 and keep bouncing between top 50k and top 150k
It's funny seeing Goldhengo returning to its S/V glory (despite being nerfed) simply because Charizard is fucking off, only thanks to Salamence
>>59605946so much for its dex entry
>>59605957Crazy charizard just completely disappeared.
vanilluxe mentioned
>>59605965>Has an AWFUL matchup into Salamence, PsySpam Armarouge variants, and Raichu Y (the later of which was already gaining prominence at the end of last season)>Also hates that H-Arc has surged back onto the scene due to meta conditionsI doubt it'll stay down for long because I'm sure someone will find the conditions to make it shine again (hell, maybe at this very tournament) but yeah it's not great right now.
No one is using physical M-Salamence at the tourney
>>59605977Has anyone tried pairing it froslass?
le funni boost bridge
bridge is so gay
james getting played like a damn fiddle
>>59605980Wasn't it popping up on Rain and Sand at the tail end of M-B? I don't remember seeing it on Snow teams, wonder why.
>>59606006Ig snow's niche wasnt that intersting to cover for charizard's weakness that patch outside of garchomp and adding a second mega just for that one mon feels like overindexing, but with salamence and all the psychics around maybe it's an interesting team concept, I'll make something later today.
james about to get kicked for popping off
LMAO
gengar rilla was probably the worst possible lead into deedee arma
why no bridgeman
>Vanilluxe so cold it froze the stream
rip armarouge was the streamer
imagine having 4 team members that counter rillaboom, the opponent brings it anyway, and you still lose lol
https://youtu.be/AVDHmEJm51k?si=JS1OOxLAZxzGv_1X
this is what happens when you doubt the mence
I'mma copy that team and try it in ranked.
Just missed both heatwaves for a loss why the fuck man
>pole vs mystery meatI don't like any of these options
What's the difference between protect and detect?
>>59606109detect is less common on pokemon so less likely to be imprisoned but has less pp
>>59606109functionally they do the same thing, it's just for people who want to have anime teleports behind you aura the only time it ever actually matters is if the opponent uses imprison and has protect, in which case detect will still work while protect won't
>>59606109None except playing around Imprison.
>>59606109If you are running Imprison Indeede/Farigiraf with Protect you won't be able to stop them from using Detect
>>59606109detect is slightly faster (in ZA)
So you pretty much just play the meta or lose right?
Noticing a lot less gambit
>>59606147since 2016
>>59606109Detect looks cooler
>>59606147even Wolfe is playing meta this time
>>59606159>this time
terrible set they both played like shit
amazing set they both played like great
>>59606161whatever he played at worlds was straight up tanking
average set they both played okay
if wolfe doesnt make top cut this time he should just retire
trannysisters... we lost our strongest soldier... time to self destruct
so uh is there another game or what
>>59606202>Swiss Round 9 up nextYou tell me anon
I'm getting a bunch of surprise sucker punch kills, but really wish it got volt switch
>>59606063Didn't work. Never played a perish song team before.
wtf am i supposed to do when my opponent opens with farigiraf and incineroar
TPCI...
>>59606254Lead your own Imprison Farigiraf
>>59606255It's not always THIS scuffed. What is going on in Baltimore
>>59606256Yeah I should have one of my six slots taken up by a pokemon that is otherwise a total lemon
>>59606254imprision, taunt, indeedee, your own trick room sweeper
>>59606261I'm sure your dogshit team has plenty of space for a Farigiraf
>>59606264No, my dogshit team barely functions as is
Teams have been addedhttps://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000192/masters/
>>59606260Pokemon company is covering up how good camerupt is, they must maintain the agenda.
Adi is running Zard and his new buddy The POD
>>596062702 pidgeots day 2wolfe running double edge draco meteor no hyper voice on mence
is this dudes incineroar max speed
I have discovered sekrit tech that nobody expects and is actually quite goodtrick roomclawitzer with terrain pulse, water pulse, ice beam and protect, life orbedit's kino
>>59606296>Farig uses trick room
>>59606296this is just the randbats set with terrain pulse instead of u-turn/dragon pulse...
>>59606296>monky grass slid all over me
>>59606313Just leech life the gardevoir slot What is sneasler going to do to the Pod?
MEGA SHIT CUMSHHHHOOOOTTTTT!!!!!!
how do i git gud
Zarchompsisters???
>>59606367Looks like Zard is carrying Chomp.I am surprised how little impact floette is having.
Your day 2, sir.
>>59606391
>>59606385>Golisopod all over the place who shoves it's cock down Floette's throat in every scenario>Also not a huge fan of physical Salamence variants that threaten Double Edge OHKOs>Doesn't match up that well into Gholdengo or H-Arc eitherEh, I can see why
>>59606391Why Y-chu that high?
>>59606359Play meta and play a bunch.
Clefable is amazing synergy with drampa for destroying rain, follow me to dissuade arch from using dragon moves, helping hand for the extra damage you need to OHKO arch, heal pulse for life orb recoil, Moonblast for sableye/grimmsnarl + Unaware to ignore boosts, equip it with a Barbiri Berry for flash cannonDrampa should be 32HP/32/SpA/2SpD @ Life Orb-Flamethrower (for a one shot on cumshot)-Thunderbolt (for Pelipper)-Earth Power (for Arch)-Energy Ball (for Pert)Great matchup combo if your team struggles vs weather
>>59606413Garchomp is kill.Can enter on some Hyper Voice and Zap Cannon Mence's gay ass.
>>59606254lead indeedee
>>59606391This is really illuminating.I want you to remember that the fall of Zard isn't in a vacuum. All his friends that enabled it and it enabled them all fell off hard. (basc, chomp, whims, venu, pex, even gambit somewhat)All the mons that Mence synergizes with are the new top dogs. Zard hates arcanine, sneasler, incin, etc.
>>59606427I don't really know what the go-to meta is currently>>59606460One time I tried using imprison on Indeedee to block a farigiraf trick room, but the indeedee got ohko'd by a golisopod :D
>>59606475Go to is Mence balance. You take Rilla, Incin, Sneasler, Mence, Gholdengo, and Indeedee.It's really important to wear the eyeliner and lipstick the archetype comes with.
>>59606413>rapes mence>rapes h-arc>rapes zard>with harambe as its bodyguard it doesn't have to worry about getting doubled or earthquake'd
>fall back down to 1400>every team is a trick room team
>>59606254lead with a setup mon whose setup increases their defenses like kommo or volcarona
>>59606506hard tr is THE retard crutch
>>59606391fuck it bring charizard back in sick of gh*ldengo already
>>59602603Singles bro here, it's bizarre that no one is is running scarf chomp it one hit kos and outspeeds both chomp z and lucario z and I've had it kill salamance as well. I've only seen people run chomp z or rocky helmet sneaky pebbles
>>59606702Garchomp Z sissies are still in delusionland.Things will change as time goes. A bunch of Scarfchomp made it day 2 on today's tourney.
>>59606673Nothing is stopping you from playing zard yourself
New>>59606754
>>59606214How's he been working for you?I like this little goober but I dunno what to do with him.
