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Monomyth field guide fag, may I make two tiny requests:
- add in the pokedex entry for each mon
- add in light / dark mode

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>>59698066
The google doc has finally been replaced with a website :)
All submitted reviews are anonymous

Any gen 6+ hacks worth playing?

i was around for when we did this for quarantine dex crystal and my main contribution was adding a disclaimer at the top saying some shit like “warning: the devs think the best way to experience the game is blind, and they may be right, but do whatever you want” or whatever. no big deal if you dont wanna add that but its just my suggestion

>>59698123
Documentation is a pain in the ass to fill out, anyway.

>>59698100
lol lmao even

>>59698100
BDSP is the perfect Romhacking Engine, like everyone and their mom has 1025 mons + all moves versions to use as a template already. Someone's gotta do something.

>>59698100
I like Buffel Saft’s hacks

>>59698082
i love talking about rom hacks but have only played like 4 so this might be a fun way in encouraging me to play them

>>59698146
this. Kalos benefits alot from a higher difficulty level. It already has a romhack-tier roster but it was designed to be steamrolled with your mega lucario

>>59698066
>The water starter is just the cat version of samurott
>Gay looking shrimp
>Typical boring grass starter fan design
What a dogshit hack.

Did Monomyth fail to deliver or is it an example of expectations growing out of control because of the development length?

>>59698194
neither

>>59698194
>example of expectations growing out of control because of the development length
they didn't even announce it until the game was finished, it was only a few months between reveal and release.

>>59698225
newfag

>>59698178
Despite their faults and dexit, gens 8 and 9 have pretty good rosters, plus super quick and easy to bring stuff from home.

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>>59698194
you tell me

How many monomythers have found 3_____ so far ?

I was doing rough sketches of my planned protagonist options. I am quite proud of how I did my female option, but the male option feels like something is missing.

>>59698333
What do they look like?

>>59698251
Am I supposed to think these tiles are ugly, or...? They're not gorgeous or anything but they're not bad.

>>59698333
>something is missing
just give him a cool hat. give him a chulo hat

>>59698351
Anon, there's a BROWN person there

You're supposed to be triggered

still remember that schizo from the other thread
>why doesn't this brown person in a small town give me lore about why they're brown in a small town???

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I wish they had taken more risks on the fakemon designs

Not too many are ugly, but almost all of them are bland and forgettable

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>>59698336
>>59698357
You know what, a chullo hat (or a trapper hat) would ACTUALLY lend itself to the whole "Design partially based on the -vish part of the Galar fossils" thing, maybe have him be blonde like -zolt underneath if I decide to go that path. Right now he has two sets of glasses because my friend thought it'd be funny. I believe me mentioning -zolt and -vish should tip you on the design elements (colour-wise at least) of the female option.

He wears a scarf meant to emulate Dracozolt's incomplete lightning bolt-shaped wings. In previous rough doodles I used that element for lightning bolt twintails for a potential female option.

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>>59698374
Maybe I'll share some scrapped stuff. I would've called the left one "Hedwig" if she went through. I could picture myself reworking the design but retaining the hair and cheeks. As you can see I never bothered rough-sketching shoes. I am bad at shoes so I'll probably go watch a tutorial or something when I do it for real.

>>59698367
I think Fakemon are just far and away held to a much higher standard than anything official

>Barbed Cave

FUCK THIS PLACE

Do you have to fight the boss Ferrothorn to proceed or am I blind

>>59698194
have to say, as someone making a fairly unambitious vanilla-like hack, the lukewarm reception to Monomyth makes me worry there isn't a place for hacks like mine and the only way to stand out these days is go really big and bold. I just wanted to make an original region that's fun to explore and capture the feeling of games like RSE. but I don't have full tileset conversions, or flashy character art, or fakemon, or gimmicks. making a whole region has already been a huge undertaking for me. but if a game like Monomyth can barely make a splash with all that stuff, what chance do I have.

I'm still gonna push through and finish it. I don't care about being a hugely popular hack. but I'm not gonna lie, it is a little discouraging. feels like the bar is really high these days.

>>59698476
yes, you have

>>59698485
Fuck, time to train a Fire type

>>59698480
Yeah, I'm a bit surprised (but also unsurprised) at the amount of criticism the game is getting

Anons, what do you expect out of a new-region hack that Monomyth doesn't have?

>>59698480
Fakemons are contentious in the first place, a fakemon hack lives or dies off of its designs and Monomyth's designs are a mixed bag trending towards below average. I wouldn't really say a fakemon mega-hack is comparable to a vanilla-adjacent hack outside of being within the Pokemon framework.
The region design seems to be the most consistently praised part of the hack, aside from minor complaints about the routes being on the long side, which in the grand scheme of something of Monomyth's size is small potatoes. Just focusing on designing a fun region to explore without needing to split your attention between designing levels and designing mons is an automatic leg up on fakemon hacks. Give people familiarity and they'll take to it, replace familiarity and you'd better hope your designs tick the right boxes for the right people.

>>59698501
i think devs being anti documentation and sharing info and telling people not to use speed up, poisoned the well so to speak about how people feel about monomyth as a romhack

>>59698081
wow the movesets and TMs in this game suck ass

>>59698501
>at the amount of criticism
dude it's 4chan. the people on here are primed to complain about the dumbest shit possible.
>WHY ARE THERE BROWN PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN
>WHY CAN'T THE GRASS AND FIRE STARTERS SWEEP THE FIRST GYM
the criticism that isn't autistic is either nitpicks or not related to the game itself
>why isn't there auto run?
>WHERE IS THE DOCUMENTATION

>>59698501
where is it even being discussed? It seems that only the first gym sperg and the docfag are talking about it. Plebbit has already moved on to the newest heckin' difficulty hacks and johto demakes

>>59698066
thank god I picked the fire starter
it's the only good looking one. jesus christ what a shit hack

>>59698194
failed to deliver hard
if you've played unbound or clover there's nothing interesting to be seen here. the game has soul in its presentation and art, music too, but that's it
especially clover. I think one of the devs must've worked on monomyth, some sprites and pokemon cries are really reminiscent of stuff you could find in that romhack
willow a cute though. but really not worth the hype, nor the secrecy around wiki/docs. it feels inorganic and forced, I think that's it

>>59698194
I'm at the desert town with the spic cartel. So far it's been pretty fun and has plenty of soul, but there are some very retarded choices (such as the fucking spam calls you can't ignore)

>>59698194
>constant call spam
>stairs that take ages to climb or go down
>glacial pace, battle speed compared to other romhacks
>dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, dialogue, dialogue
>XP gain is slow
>ugly fake(and SHIT)mons that stand out hard compared to the vanillamons

at least the routes and music are nice
really finding it difficult to gather the strength to continue playing

>>59698480
Lukewarm? All I’ve been seeing is blasting reviews for it aside from the documentation named elephant in the room

the phone calls are an interesting choice
it's one of the things people complain about in the old games, so why just port it over on purpose?

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This bitch is impossible, thinking of dropping the game until I can cheat in enough money to properly EV train my team

>>59698480
Pokemon romhacks have been around for over 20 years. They were novelties and most people didn't know about them besides maybe some stories of bootlegs. Now anyone can make one and people are making personal reproduction carts of their favorite games. With the demise of a lot of smaller community corners in favor of Reddit/Twitter/Discord plus Youtubers who do nothing but make overview videos hyping up everything that comes out, it's easy to keep tabs on most every project. You're getting spic/chink/nip hacks translated these days too.
If you want to make a splash you either appeal to the type of stuff a lot of people praise in other hacks and try to go above and beyond in comparison, or you have your own distinct vision and make that. Otherwise you will be drowned out. Old hacks are still fun even without a dozen extra features stapled to them though, so it's not like you need a lot of bells and whistles, but people will be like "why didn't you do X" about everything if one other hack did it.

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>>59698194
I'm enjoying Monomyth a lot so far and I'm at the 7th badge, most of my friends are really liking it too. I like the region and the routes a lot, the art and the music are very good and the story is alright, some of the fakemon designs are really ugly though but it's not the majority. Clover is still my favorite hack but Monomyth can become a very close second.

>>59698556
rape with ground type

>>59698066
Cool starters

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>>59698081
Can you share where this field guide is? I know of MonoMyth being on Pokerex.io which at least gives me some info but I'd like to look at the guide as well.

>>59698556
You get the TM for Pay Day very very early (prior to the first gym I believe) and it seems to give $5 pokedollars per level per use of the attack, so spamming that on low level wild encounters to grind money honestly isn't too bad. At level 30, I was getting $150 per use of Pay Day that I used in battle, and it stacks, so it's not too hard to get a decent chunk of money, especially if you use speed ups. It got the money I needed for the casino to exchange for casino coins to buy me the leaf stone I needed for one of my dudes within maybe 10 minutes, if that.

>>59698529
>if you've played unbound there's nothing interesting to be seen here
fucking kek

I'm up to the cult base in Ghost Grey- is there a compelling reason to evolve Doublade? It seems like Aegislash is just bad in this game with lack of King's Shield, losing access to Eviolite, and only getting Sturdy as a consolation prize. And I'm not sure anyone else is really itching for the Eviolite on top of that.

>>59698529
>nor the secrecy around wiki/docs
yeah, it's just pretentious
>the NPC that warns you about friend codes showing him a new pokemon
the absolute stupidity of these devs
pokemon is not a singleplayer game, oh big deal someone in your class told you at what level you get charizard or where to find an item
fuck these retards

>>59698501
The only real criticism I've seen is people not liking how tight money is in the beginning and the usual fakemon debates which are both matter of taste things. Everything else is just whining about lack of docs and that a game with way more QOL than base emerald doesn't have enough QOL which are both pretty stupid.

Seems like the people who are actually playing it are mostly liking it and the stink is just coming from people who refuse to play it on principal. I don't have many complaints myself besides some of the fakemon really not matching the quality of the rest of them.

>>59698553
You can turn them off in the settings. They are cute flavor but thank god.

>>59698601
>>59698529
I don't like being spoiled on games before I play them. Hell a big critique of Gen 7 was they showed way too much in the trailers. I think that's pretty normal for videogames? Calling that forced or absurd is kind of well, absurd to me.
>pokemon is not a singleplayer game
it's a romhack dude, it's literally a singleplayer game. sure trading exists but only the most dedicated autists are ever going to use it.

>>59698601
>it's just pretentious
its pretentious that they want you to experience a game blind? where exactly does this fucking retarded mentality come from that games should come with all information the exact same day they come out? do you think this for other video games?

>>59698194
So far I'm at the 6th gym town.

Positives
>exp curve and trainer sets keep the game from being braindead while not being exceptionally difficult
>world, worldbuilding, and music are solid, and the earlier parts remind me of the best aspects of Hoenn
>fakemon are mostly good
>game actually rewards exploration and discovering things for yourself with NPC hints, feels more like an RPG than nu-mon
>the fact that there are fakemon and a fake region is inherently more effort than most romhacks are willing to put in and it's clear they wanted to put forth an actual adventure with progression instead of a glorified boss fest

Negatives
>dialogue too often becomes "wink wink nudge nudge" self aware ironic quirk chungus tier. not to the extent of Unbound's retarded weed gym but still way too self conscious and insecure in itself for a non-meme hack
>spritework quality on mons is all over the place, both realmons and fakemons. I can't tell what I'm looking at in some places
>region's main pacing is XY tier. there's a solid gap between the first two gyms, a smaller one between the second and third, and then the third through the sixth have been absurdly rapid fire. the northern part of the region has been mostly hallway routes separating gyms so far

>>59698601
b-but...I might know something called GLUOINK exists without even knowing what it looks like! IT'S A HECKIN SPOILERINO!!!

>>59698619
>dialogue too often becomes "wink wink nudge nudge" self aware ironic quirk chungus tier. not to the extent of Unbound's retarded weed gym but still way too self conscious and insecure in itself for a non-meme hack

It's hard to find a hack that isn't either this or an incredibly exaggerated "I'm so dark and mature" melodrama with torture/murder/rape unfortunately.

Willow a cute

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>>59698081
should be live boss
>>59698585
merry-hamster-48dd08.netlify.app
>>59698123
yea good point its on there now

>>59698613
>>59698613
you are a genuine retard
You going out of your way to use a multiplayer feature means whatever you discover through it counts as experiencing the game blind and is not a spoiler
It's not the same as the doc/guide trannies keeping a tab open on their second monitor with charts, EV yield values and whatnot at all times. And EVEN THEN it's not like this practice is new, see strategy guides that were sold at exorbitant prices back then.
You are stupid, just like the monomyth devs who have no respect for their players or community.
>we wont provide wikis or guides or walkthrough because we want players to experience our game organically
Based, fair and respectable decision
>but please oh god please don't make wikis players please please don't talk about our game please!!!
this is genuinely mouth breathing level retarded
it's like these people weren't alive when pokemon was actually popular and thriving
no faggot, your tranny circle will not prevent people from organically discussing strategies, sharing their experiences, writing up guides etc.
>but this is a super special romhack, you are not supposed to...
newsflash retard
once the game escapes the dev's hands, players decide what they can do with it. the player can be a retard it's his problem
the player decides to spend hours autistically pressing A in front of every tile in the starting city to find items and shares the info? his problem

This control freak philosophy is what I mean by the whole thing feels inorganic. It's like a game designed by people who have no respect or consideration for their target audience. To their credit, this is a free fangame made with a lot of effort and love so no one is forced to be subjected to the humiliation ritual; but it remains pretentious and insulting if you think beyond what's in front of your eyes. These devs are huffing their own farts and no matter the quality of the game (it's decent) it permeates their creation and negatively affects the experience

>>59698551
to be honest I have only really seen the reception on 4chan so far

>>59698648
Grow up.

>>59698650
You grow up faggot, you have no answer to provide other than this pathetic effort at a reply. Good to know we can move forward

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>>59698648
>got so mad he quoted twice
I don't even agree with him but you are pathetic

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alright fags i need your personal favorite romhacks/fangames for their battle mechanics
i'm gonna slop port the best of what i like to showdown so i can slop port it to cobblemon. like it's amazing what that free month of Sol does, i already got a good chunk of tectonic's mechanics in there
my general idea is porting tectonic mechanics, then using the slop machine to account for Hax Meters (look at the DH2 github for that one), slop my own tectonic into cobblemon with blackjack and hookers, namely with a bit more respect for evolution mechanics so you'll still have to raise friendship, go to certain locations in the open world, etc

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>>59698644
the fuck lol

>>59698651
The only person that needs to grow up is (You). Is literally not that deep unless you are 18 or something.

>>59698612
>>59698613
>I don't like being spoiled on games before I play them
You guys know that looking at documentation is completely optional, right? If you don't want to be spoiled, just...don't spoil yourself.
>b-b-but other people will spoil it for me!
They're going to do that anyway. People have already made documentation for the game. These days all you're doing by not releasing documentation is stalling the release of that information by a few hours, making somebody else do the work for you, and giving up control over exactly what information is provided and how it's presented. It's just silly to expect a game to remain undocumented for any length of time nowadays. Hell, it's always been silly. Pokemon has had officially licensed and unofficial documentation available since literally Red/Blue. There has basically never been a time in the series history where you couldn't easily access that kind of information, except maybe the very early days of Red/Green's Japanese release I guess. If you want a blind experience you have to enforce that yourself, it's always been that way, for better or worse.

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>>59698655
>I am a fully-grown adult and I cannot figure out a Pokemon game

Got a few things to ask regarding Monomyth?

Do the pokemon even yield EVs or is it a vitamin/bracelet type of thing? And are IVs, unfortunately, a thing?

How do you get HA on Pokémon? I want Swift Swim on the cat.

>>59698648
the monomyth devs should continue to hold no respect for players like you who are incapable of playing a game legit. grow the fuck up and accept that developers will request things of the player you may not like. its a free game, you are owed literally nothing

>>59698619
>game actually rewards exploration and discovering things for yourself with NPC hints, feels more like an RPG than nu-mon
I agree with this, bunch of npcs have told me actually useful things already

>>59698671
>How do you get HA on Pokémon? I want Swift Swim on the cat.
You need to get to the 1st gym, go to the post office and add someone's friend code who's repping that pokemon. That'll let you start getting hidden abilities. The /vp/ plays thread has some since they're playing it. I assume you'd have to breed a new watercat to get it though

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>Cave and look up the slopumentation to see which mons are actually worth training
>Like half the fakemons have 60 or lower base speed

It's Alola all over again

>>59698585
where do you find Pay Day?

>>59698678
You can also get a HA on a mon by catching it in a Dream Ball, though getting more than one seems to be a postgame thing.

>>59698688
Pretty early, South Edelweiss

>>59698691
ah, I'm not there yet... thanks

This general has become unusable. It's just about Monomyth and spoilers for it. You retarded cattle have neither decency nor individuality. Apparently every single one has to play it RIGHT NOW and TALK ABOUT IT in a thread that's about romahcking IN GENERAL.

>>59698791
Monomyth is just that good I guess... but you are right.

>>59698791
Literally just give it a few more days, everyone will beat it and then no one will give a shit anymore. Then you can go back to whining about David, and bitch about Lazarus having niggers and tranneis.

Never ever pretend you're not part of a herd. You freaks are the definition of the "redditors" you're always obsessing about.

>>59698626
where are the rape hacks

I cannot imagine being an adult and caring about "spoilers" in a pokemon game. Let alone a rom hack. Grow up

>>59698082
I love the website anon, but no Gamecube, DS, or 3DS romhacks?

>>59698791
better than davidposting or leaf spam

>>59698791
it's been a day anon, it will blow over. this general has been through much worse, even recently. are you new?

>>59698791
People say this literally every time a big hack comes out. The hype attracts people to the general, it dominates discussion for a couple days, then people move on and things go back to normal. Relax.

>>59698791
>care about spoilers
>go to the place everyone will be talking about the thing and spoilers

Really, you are cutting yourself and complaining about all the blood.

>>59698066
Grassgods WON

>>59698806
Check OP and roll the dice.

>>59698532
You can turn those off in the settings, though I do agree you get called WAY too much. DESU you did in Emerald too from what I remember so idc

I think making fakemon that look good and easy to understand is really hard on a gba screen. Official designs have high def artwork, appearances in anime and cards to flesh out their appearances on the side so even a bad sprite can work out ok.
If a game wants to do fakemon, they are better off doing it Odyssey style with regional variants exclusively

Have any of you guys use AI when making your projects, but only as a tool and not a crutch?

>>59698914
This is a fair point, I think a lot of fakemon designs would be easier to appreciate if they had artwork to go with them

>>59698914
>If a game wants to do fakemon, they are better off doing it Odyssey style with regional variants exclusively
It feels like people are also more forgiving of regional variants or their equivalents

>>59698082
Bro, please make up your mind on dark vs. light style. Either change the dark background to #eef2ff or make the #eef2ff backgrounds darker or transparent

>>59698918
Depends where you draw the line between tool and crutch. Some people will see any AI use as a crutch.
I'm using AI for most of my coding. But I'm not hands off, letting it run loose and design my game for me. I have meticulously designed every aspect of my game by hand, I'm just using AI to implement it. To me it's a tool, but others will see it as cheap. It's a matter of perspective.

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Anyone beat the game with a fem avatar? I want to see how the postgame femc looks after seeing how the male mc looks.

>>59698918
100% using it as a tool but doing bugtesting manually
also still want you fags' favs if you all are done shit slinging about monomyth
>>59698654

>>59698791
Give it a month, or demand a Monomyth General. Maybe two Monomyth Generals. Three.

>>59698918
I tried once, it fucked up so badly that I would have been better off not using it at all.

I also tried to use to to trouble shoot an error, and it was zero help. When I finally found the real problem that fixed it, the AI said that it was impossible and my fix wouldn't work.

>>59698984
>a month
It'll be over with in a couple of days. Is this your guy's first major release in this general?

>>59698984
>>59698993

>>59698989
when was this? were you just trying to use an AI chatbot, or an actual coding workspace? are you working in the decomp?

I've had no major issues using AI for romhack coding so far, it's been extremely efficient. but I'm working in Codex so I can plug it directly into the codebase. I don't know how useful just using a free chatbot would be for example. you do have use the right tools.

Making nearly every TM a shitty move was an interesting choice

>>59698918
Me again, what I meant is using AI as a tool when thinking of concepts for Fakemon, trainers, and region setting.

>>59699008
probably the smartest way to balance infinite tms really

>>59699010
Ah, in that case, no. That's the fun part of making a game to me, I don't want to outsource it. I use AI for coding, but I did all my worldbuilding, game design, etc by myself. And frankly, I wouldn't have much interest in playing a game that used AI for those creative aspects. I know some people lump all AI use together and would say my using it for code is no different, but that's just where I draw the line personally.

I'm not anti-AI by any means, I use it for a lot of stuff. I can definitely see the appeal of using it to brainstorm and bounce ideas off. But I'm making a romhack as a creative endeavor, for me doing that would kind of defeat the point. And I would question why you're making a hack at all if you can't even come up with your own ideas. That's just me though.

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Long shot, but does anyone know the command to remove every item from the player's bag in essentials?

I know I can use "$bag.remove(:ITEM, NUMBER)" to remove a cretain number from the bag, but that's not good enough. I want to totally remove all potions from the bag, but the issue is that essentials is coded so that if the player has a stack of 999 potions, it will just give them another stack. IDK what the limit is, but it's over 100,000, and might be infinite. The player foreseeing this and sneaking even one potion (among other items) past this could break everything, so this needs to be flawless.

Either a remove all or nuking the whole bag (except for key items) would be acceptable.

>>59699008
doesn't help when all of the fakemon learnsets suck balls and take seven levels per move

>>59699084
Check your script, same section as where the money is. Max money is 999,999. Max coins is 99,999. Item limit is 999.

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>>59699102
>Item limit is 999.
It is, but the default setup is that if you max it out, you get a 2nd stack.

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I've been grinding for at least two hours and still cannot beat this stupid cunt Fire/Steel/Rock/Electric/Ground/whatever gym leader

Training new mons from scratch is easy at first, but takes ages later on

>>59698832
i wouldn't really know what to add. The focus is on stuff that's complete and would be a new experience.
Enhancement stuff isn't really on the menu since it would just be a total can of worms. If there is stuff that's genuinely transformative I can look into including it, but I wouldn't have the foggiest of an idea for what they are or what description to write for them.
>>59698929
im keeping the banner the light color, the textboxes have been changed to dark and some game title colors have been changed to better suit the dark color scheme.

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>>59699130
At least I'm getting mad stat ups from all this relatively low-level grinding

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>>59699130
Who the fuck is this pokemon?

>>59699141
big charizard

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people shitting on Monomyth's fakemon don't even realize how far we've come in terms of fakemon designs in rom hacks

>>59699141
dont think about it too hard because the devs sure didnt lmao

>>59699151
idgi? wdym? those also suck shit

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>>59699151
Not all games can be Vega

>>59699141
Uvbeard

>>59699084
>nuking the whole bag (except for key items)
Can't you go into 001_Settings.rb and delete every item pocket you don't want?

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QUICK

GUESS WHAT TYPE THIS SHITTY DOODLE IS MEANT TO BE

>>59699171
ground dark?

>>59699173
Wrong and wrong

>>59699171
uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh normal and rock?

>>59699178
Wrong and wrong

>>59699171
Is it part poison?

>>59699170
Sure I could, but I don't want to permanently remove the bag, I just need it emptied of healing items for a segment of the game.

>>59699171
Steel/bug?

>>59699181
It's pure Poison

It also killed like half my team while I tried to deduce that because nothing in its design communicates it

>>59699187
WOW that things art fucking sucks!

>>59698364
No, the question is why are there evenly MIXED races in a small town
Can you answer that? I wouldn't be asking if they are all brown.
>>59698361
>there's a BROWN person there
There is a BROWN KID and a WHITE WOMAN living in the same house. Can you tell me the story behind this setting? Who are they and how did they end up living there?

>>59699194
who the fuck cares

>>59698619
Another positive and a negative

+
>the game loves double battles, and honestly while I wish there were more they occur frequently enough that it's still very welcome

-
>devs have a weird fixation on confusion spam, bordering on a crutch. Maybe just bad luck but it seems like every semi-important battle after a certain point has had a quota-filler swagger user for whatever reason

>>59699194
you need to take your meds

>>59699183
Hm. Can you go into 007_UI_Bag.rb and add a new line after line 25 setting "value" to 7 or whatever the Key Items pocket is?

If that works, you can change it to an if statement based off some switch or flag, then have only key items selectable while that switch is set... I think

>>59699187
maybe brown stuff its climbing on might convey some kind of sludge, but its definitely not a good design. You can't tell the animal its supposed to be let alone the element

>>59698914
>If a game wants to do fakemon, they are better off doing it Odyssey style with regional variants exclusively
Nah, fuck that. Regional variants are already some of the laziest designs in the entire franchise. I'd rather the reverse, and people just make full fakemon rather than relying on slipshod recolors for cheap familiarity and memberberry points.

Most of the Monomyth mons' sprites are really easy to interpret, and they aren't any more or less complex than the average gens 1-3 designs. It's more that there wasn't a lot of a quality control to the pixel art in general (for the areas and characters too), but it's more noticeable when it comes to the main draw of the game. Just look at the 2016 Clover sprites compared to the newer ones to see how great a difference sprite quality alone can make in reading a design.

This issue occurs with later gens of real pokemon being backported to sprites too. Gen 3 already has the most limited space of any generation to express a design, and tons of hacks try to cram later gen mons into those constraints which leads to things like Kyurem, Zamazenta, etc. looking like dogshit.

>>59699205
Humm, maybe?
I'll try playing around with it. Worst case, I can remove 999,999 from the player's bag, and anyone who's willing to grind to have over a million of an item just to cheat might have earned that. I guess I should see how high that number goes, maybe I can remove 100 million or even a billion.

>>59698194
First I'd like to know if its actually being poorly received outside of the fourchins. I don't personally think it failed to deliver.
I think any negativity its a mix of fangame players having unreal personal expectations, as well as letting their biases affect their judgment and the playerbase being spoiled by documentation thus far.

Because fangames are so ubiquitous by this point, almost everyone who regularly plays them is going to have their top fangame that is the gold standard, and unfortunately to some extent every subsequent game will be measured against. And for many people this gold standard game will have been something with more dev time, a bigger team, better qol/features, more time for polish and refining things. Every game will like fall short of this gold standard game in their eyes, even if its not realistic to compare every game to it logistically.

For the bias thing I think the team did a fair amount to 'villainize' themselves for lack of a better term. Putting the "don't use speed up" message and being stingy regarding documentation is already telling what I would say is some majority of players that they are 'playing your game wrong' and leaving a bad taste in their mouths as soon as they put it in.
But I also think its largely self inflicted problem. The fact so many players can't not use speed hacks and documentation to play a game is a community problem, these people have unironically forgotten or brainrotted themselves out of the ability to play a pokemon game "properly" after literal years of conditioning themselves around it.
I unironically know people who can't or won't play a game if they can't have the documentation on their other screen - where to get every pokemon, every trainer's team and movelist. This level of dependency on documentation is not normal, and transcends autism. Its your first playthrough, just play the game bro and have fun.

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>Plaguemon 2 releases
>no one talking about it

>>59699253
Oh fuck, the patch is out? I thought it'd still be awhile after he did that round of physical copies.
Guess I'm adding some edgekino to my to-play list after I finish up with Monomyth, can't wait to see how Johto got fucked up after beholding all those Kantomons on the Instagram.

>>59699245
The subreddit is having the Pisces meltdown that everyone knew was coming because they were told no cheats no docs just a game.
I haven’t seen negative reception anywhere else, but it’s not like there’s other places people talk about fan games en masse but /vp/, Reddit and Discord servers.

>>59699268
>>59699245
why are people so obsessed with docs and cheats?

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>>59699258
Lookin good so far

>>59699245
You definitely have a point about people being brainrotted and unable to play without documentation. But I would just point out that I don't think the problem is documentation existing, it's people's relationship to it. This series has always had documentation available. When I was a kid playing Red/Blue, I could easily look up almost any information I wanted. I didn't go and learn the game inside out before playing though. I played the game normally, allowed myself to discover things, and occasionally looked up info if I got stuck or just really wanted to know something. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. The problem isn't the fact that documentation exists, it's just that people have no self control with it.

But regardless, not putting out documentation isn't a solution to that. As we've seen in this thread, if you don't include documentation then people are just going to take it on themselves to make it, and with AI that's possible within hours. Monomyth had documentation within like 24 hours of release. It's simply not possible to contain anymore, unless nobody even gives a fuck about your hack enough to datamine it.
So I think what we've learned with this release is there is little point in trying to contain it, alienating large swathes of your audience, coming across as dicks, and punishing people who would use documentation sparingly - just to try and stop something that is, at this point, impossible to stop. You may as well just get in front of it and release docs. It might not align with your "vision", but at least that way you avoid controversy and having your reputation as devs dragged, and you get to retain some control over the information so people aren't resorting to using AI slopdocs.

It does suck that people are so addicted to convenience but one dev being stubborn about it isn't going to change anything, it just ends up harming them.

>>59698644
not a bad dex, some highs and lows but is now possible to make a team.

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Battle screen is plenty glitchy, though nothing gamebreaking so far like the fist game. Something interesting I've noticed is the complete lack of music in the overworld, instead giving the player character actual footsteps

>>59699300
Also, pokecenters cost $1000 to use as well

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>>59698194
It's hard to describe, I don't hate the game in spite of thinking the devs being faggots over docs and such was retarded, and it is certainly one of the few romhacks I've actually enjoyed playing together with Clover, Rocket Edition, Ghost Grey and Peridot, but I dunno man.
The story is so weak and contrived it might as well not exist, the progression is a complete mess, I hate the vast majority of the fakemon due to them looking horrible or having terrible stats, movepools and nonsensical types.
Slizón being a good example, I actually like it, thought it was cute and wanted to use it, because it's movepool is abysmally shit, and it's essentially a weaker Emolga with a different type, it's signature ability doesn't make up for how shit it is.
Far too many fakemon evolve way too late and have dogshit BSTs in spite of that.
I wanted to use the waifumon since I thought it was interesting, but it's stuck to the tail end of the game and again, it's stats are not great, and it's abilities don't pair up well with it.
A lot of fakemon games tend to make the fakemon strong to make them appealing, it's the opposite case with Monomyth for the vast majority.
Exploration is good in terms of how good the map is, but actual rewards for exploration are nonexistent, there's practically nothing worthwhile. I spent an hour backtracking and combing through the map and I only got fucking vitamins, which I couldn't even sell due to how much lower their prices are in the game.
I got like 3 TMs for backtracking, and besides Hidden Power they are all absolutely worthless.
A genuinely good romhack and fangame is typically one I can see myself replaying eventually, I do often with Clover since I love it to death, but I haven't even finished Monomyth and I'm already kinda tired of the game in spite of appreciating a lot of the effort that went into it.
If I had to define my feelings in few words, it would be "presentation without substance".

>>59699351
but it's movepool is abysmally shit*

>>59698194
ive literally never heard about it until everyone started shilling it yesterday and some people on twitter had an ai psychosis over it

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>>59698066
I know everyones on Monomyth but I just finished collecting all the fakemon in Pokemon Turqoise
There was only 33 so it wasn't very difficult. Most of them aren't very special as seen here >>59699151 but I kinda liked this fella.
Naturally because I liked the concept of an electric/dark ram it has no evolutions and a bst of 380. Thanks for nothing I guess.

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>>59698612
>number one prerelease complaint was the news drop
>mr masuda how do we fix this
>I GOT IT LETS ANNOUNCE THE GAME AND THEN FUCK OFF FOR A YEAR AND THEN REVEAL THE SAME AMOUNT OF CONTENT WE DID FOR SM BECAUSE THE GAME COMES OUT IN 3 MONTHS AND WE DID 0 ADVERTISING FOR IT UP UNTIL NOW
honestly game freak is just stupid they could've gotten away with showing off a mon or 2 every month or a feature and still have less than a quarter of the dex revealed, and still keep a lot things under wraps

>>59699365
It's been in development since Covid but they only just announced it less than a year ago if memory serves

>>59698066
>water type starter doesn't turn into a moderately feminine bipedal cat
what the FUCK

Since this is a game dev place I thought I'd ask you all your opinion on something, since I'm using my own sprites based on the spritesheets of other games.

You know how for some games, you have front and back overworld sprites that face... well, front and back. Then you have the left-facing one that is in the 45 degree middle spot between left and front, same deal with the right-facing one. Do you feel that this works, or does this come off as awkward-looking?

>>59699194
people from different countries moved to this region, which was only discovered in the last few generations
I know this is troubling to you

>>59699272
autism

>>59699394
Example?

>>59699403
Octopath Traveller.

Normally I don't give a crap about talking about "politics" or whatever but-
>Several white woman, black man couples
>There's a very elaborate quest on Monomyth were a brown as fuck jeet kidnaps a white girl
>The game bends over backwards to scream in your face how le heckin wholesome this is and you're a bad person if you think this isn't "romantical", and that the girl's parents are le heckin bad for worrying about their daughter
Fucking hell man. You can't get more blatant than this shit.
I even have a feeling some of the tards getting extremely uppity about people noticing this might be some of the devs. I know some of the Clover fuckers worked on Monomyth and some of them are autistic retards with very noticeable posting habits that happen to coincide with the butthurt posts.

>>59699414
Maybe Team Aqua's Hideout is the real heckin racist for getting uppity over a game like this, followed by Relic Castle/Eevee Expo for their attempted spic genocide.

>>59699414
You know it's funny I never really cared about stuff like that, but while working on my own romhack I realize how deliberate it actually is. Stock sprites are pretty much all pale so you really have to go out of your way to make custom assets to include brown people in your game. My game is going to have almost no brown people simply because I can't be bothered to make sprites for them, I just don't care. Also when I am placing even unimportant NPCs, I am always consciously thinking about their place in the region; why are they there, what do they do, what's their relationship to this location and the other NPCs around. Now maybe not everyone puts that much thought into it, but I feel like if you are at all serious about worldbuilding you will consider that kind of thing at least briefly.

So yeah, I still don't think it's really that big of a deal, but you can't say these devs don't know what they're doing. If they truly didn't care, their game would have few to no brown NPCs, simply because that's the path of least resistance. Including diversity takes a conscious effort. Some would argue that's a good thing, but if so, then stand by that. I've seen too many people go like "ooh yeah, I didn't even like, think about that haha" and that's just bullshit.

>>59699414
>Normally I don't give a crap about talking about "politics" or whatever
x to doubt

>>59699351
For as sizable as the hack is, the fakemons mechanical design tells me the devs really had no idea what they were doing and the whole project was primarily an artistic endeavor. A lot of the mechanical design decisions are downright bizarre and it screams amateurish in a way that production value can't cover up.

>>59699396
was it mentioned in the game?

>>59699439
why does it need to be? do you need every single npc to explain their entire life story?

>Why does a RPG need to tell stories???

>>59699439
wait, did you not play the game? you wouldnt just be seething for no reason would you

>>59699447
what rpg has every npc spiel off their entire life story? you are not being genuine.

>>59699451
I couldn't make it pass the first town because of this strong stinky DEI garbage smell.
I tried talking with all the NPCs to see if there is something redeeming like "people all over the continent moved here years ago because this gold mine" or someshit but nothing.
And besides there is no auto-run, I don't want to be pressing B for the next 30 hours.

>>59699464
Did I ask for every npc to tell their stories? I merely want to know if the game explains why this remote town has such diverse population. Why can't you just answer the question?

its a good season for seethe crops

>>59699475
I don't think you actually care about that, I think you would be mad that there are brown npcs in the game no matter what the justification is. I would respect you more if you were just honest about that.

>>59699483
Nope. If this is a hack that based on Africa and all NPCs are black I wouldn't be asking.

>>59699491
Maybe it's not based on a real place

Maybe it's a town in a magical land where there are creatures with fanciful powers

>>59698066
Where can find quarantine documentation?

>>59699563
Yeah just like in the Lord of the Rings where 4 Hobbits are of 4 different colors

So, out of curiosity, are there any unique fangames or romhacks that involve moemon?

>>59698556
You can't even vitamin EVs above 100. Try using a strategy instead of bruteforcing :^)

Fortunately there enough decent fakemon designs in Monomyth, but when it's bad it's horrifying. Shope, it's evo and whatever the fuck Leonte evolves into are genuinely unnerving.

Is it ok to use other game's fakemons in my hack, without asking for permissions? After all no one asks Nintendo or GF for permits to hack their games..

>>59699780
Yes you should definitely do this

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>>59699764
Shope and it's evolution are pretty accurate to what was used as inspiration for them.
Shope Pappiloma is a viral infection attacking rabbits. One of it's most notable symptomes are painful warts and "horns" growing all over affected animal's head. There's related virus attacking tigers, too.

>>59699799
Papilloma viruses also can cause certain kinds of cancer in humans. HPV is a kind of it.

Shope and it's evolution are literally cancer Pokemon.

>>59699799
It's face should have looked more like a rabbit/hare. Whenever I see a Shope I think of a fucking mosquito.

anyone found an ability capsule or similar function in monomyth?

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>Think "oh it's nice there's fakemon hack that's willing to lean into cute designs aside from Shope, wonder where the complaints about them being ugly come from"
>Gwubby evo
>Carrot fakemon evo
It's only gonna get worse from here, isn't it

man every mon in monomyth is slow as fuck

>>59699764
What are you? A woman? Those designs are badass

>>59698655
For how much they want (You) to play the game blind they sure made some interesting decisions that really make it difficult/annoying.

I'm trying to give a lot of these custom mons a shot to see what they might turn into. If I like their design more after they evolve, a general sense for their typing, stat distribution, moves/role, etc to see if I want to run it. But I'm well into the 20's for levels now and almost everything I've caught has still not evolved yet. My starter (which still felt late, at 20) and the 3-stage early game bug are the only things that have evolved still across like 10 unique pokemon I've been leveling (and I have at least 20 more in the PC).

Like why does stuff evolve so fucking late?
This doesn't feel like I'm being rewarded for playing blind, it feels like I'm being punished for wanting to try lots of the new pokemon.

>>59699878
yeah, its like that for a long time. There are some that evolve in the 20s, but a lot are in the thirties and I'm into the 40s and some are only evolving now (or still havent) into their third stages
I feel like the intent is to match the gym curve, as I'm coming up on the 5th gym now and I guess they want you to still have evos to look forward to later in the game, but it also means its hard to tell if something evolves by level but late, or if its waiting on a stone, or something more like metal coat etc.
On the plus side, its easy enough to have a core squad of 4 pokemon or so for real battling and keep two slots for rotating in things to evolve and check out

behind on the crystalclear port, got sidetracked with other projects.

>>59698687
You are baiting dude
>Mayflyro
>Scorpel
>Stuxnet
>Zilby's japanese evo
>The sumo guy is weirdly fast
>Hydroskeeto
>The fire and water starters
>The german fire and grass guys
>Gooselet's evo
>The raven
>The pseudo
>The fake pseudos (minneraph, cockatrice)
And probably more this was just off the dome
>>59699828
I'm so sorry cuteGOD
Your best bets are Zilby line and Gloslug line. The latter of which is the strongest wall in the game. If you explore after gym 4 you can find an optional town with the dive HM, which is when they show up. There's a couple cute single stagers too (drizzloom and Burrvalve).
At least Peach and Lime seems catered to cuteGODS
>>59699764
Acolith is cute in the same way a baby vulture is

I generally disdain most of the Monomyth fakemon, but in spite of how ugly it looks, I really love Acolith.
Great mon overall, fun type, pretty reliable all the way through, only shame is that it's movepool kinda sucks ass.
It only learns a lot of the good moves it needs way too late.
Also what the fuck is it with the TM distribution in this game? You don't even have TMs for Flamethrower, Ice Beam and Thunderbolt.
Fucking hell man, they even nerfed the shit outta Surf, I'm so sick of balanceniggers sperging the fuck out over anything.
Clover was a way harder game and it still let the player have good TMs, often rewarding rare ones via exploration and other off the track means, Monomyth seethes at the very idea the player could get a good move on his Pokemon before level 40, it's fucking retarded.
There's so many gay kneejerk things in Monomyth that sincerely baffle me, this really feels like an artfag project first of all, which has caused severe strains on the gameplay side of things, because surprise, surprise, artfags are petulant faggots who hate the idea of anyone playing their game in a way they don't want you to.

>>59700053
>surf is 70bp now
huh

>>59700053
Personally I like how the difficulty in Monomyth is designed about reducing and depleting player's resources and not just throwing copy-pasted from Smogon competitive sets onto opponents.
There's not a lot of Pokemon hacks that genuinely make you happy because you found that damn potion under the rock.

>>59700090

yeah at late 30s and im still using stuff like incinerate, stomping tantrum, water pulse.

>>59700069
Do you at least get it really early to warrant its low power?

>>59700096
Well, the game is pretty big and everything seems to be moved to later levels to make space for that. Sounds about fair, imho

>>59700097
Not really, just after the fourth badge

But again 70BP isn't too bad for Monomyth

>>59700090
Nigga are you serious? There's plenty of trainers with really competent sets, Monomyth already has a terrible issue with money scarcity even if you go out of your way to grind, TRUST ME, I'D KNOW, and you don't even find potions out and about, just vitamins, I know because I went out of my fucking way to find them.
Reducing resources away from the player is the type of crap everyone complained about in games like Reborn, why is it fucking okay when Monomyth does it? Hell, even Reborn is more generous with the TMs it gives you, and that's a game that actually has the excuse of being incredibly long, thus justifying actually gating a lot of shit way later in the game, even though it's done horribly in quite a few cases, yet again, because of kneejerk seethe from trannies.
It's bad game design no matter how you slice it.
>>59700097
Nah, it's a midgame HM, you get at the late 30s to early 40s.
And to make it worse, they massively limited the range of Pokemon that can even learn Surf, and you need Surf to progress a lot, which causes severe teambuilding strain.
Very little thought was put into this game's progression and gameplay.

>>59699351
>The story is so weak and contrived it might as well not exist
I liked the purple haired rival, but the blonde rival's story and the champion felt weak and ineffectual as antagonists because of the story's pacing. I remember laughing when the big bad showed up on screen because he had a chibi overworld sprite but huge, which was hard to take seriously.

>>59700053
>>59700126
Reducing resources and limiting the player is fine, and basically the only real way to balance out something like pokemon. With Monomyth though, it seems like the developers weren't as creative with designing boss hurdles. Every gym leader and relevant enemy trainer after a while just defaults to spamming confusion status moves for some reason. I messed around with the AI a bit and found out mons will basically prioritize confuse ray/supersonic/swagger if they have it, and most bosses do. It's a bit jarring going into the 7th gym and watching the leader miss a fucking supersonic of all things repeatedly because the devs have a confusion fetish.

>>59699828
It's a bit of an anti-cutefag hack. They deliberately cut the cute fakemons from an earlier build. Shope and its evo replaced a pastry-themed rabbit that resembled Azumarill. There were some others that were replaced or redesigned to be less cute and more gross/scary too.

>>59700142
You could argue all day in favor of it, but regardless, the gameplay aspect of Monomyth is weak and the devs threw petty tantrums over pointless crap while forsaking far too many aspects on the gameplay side of things for the sake of artsy stuff. The progression is terrible, not helped by the story basically not existing.
The game's exploration sucks because the rewards are not worth it 90% of the time.
The fights are generally not very interesting or well designed as you said, hell even a shitpost game like Clover had actual thought put into teams and how they fit the character.
As to the confusion spam, I think I know why it's a thing, apparently some Pisces devs worked on Monomyth and from what I remember the confusion spam was really bad in Pisces as well, so there's probably some correlation.

Ok it's probably been discussed to death already but I'm new so how do you solve the problem that every type has its designated moves that gets spammed over and over for all pokemons? For instance water type only uses surf or hydropump, for ground is just earthquake.
If you think that's just how it is, that's fine. But if not what's your suggestion?

>>59700150
remove HMs as moves and make them only usable in the field.
strip every pokemon's movepool and rebuild them from the ground up, giving them everything that makes sense for their biology

>>59700147
>Not only are the designs shit and intentionally disgusting, their stats and movepools are also shit!
Honestly, I started ignoring the fakemons by the second gym. Great design, guys.

Monomyth and quite a few tards on this board are a shining example as to why balanceniggers should never have a say in anything.

>>59700150
Limit TMs again and don't allow many Pokemon to learn those moves via level-up.

>>59700150
Create new moves that create interesting strategies, it's that fucking simple, it's like how the Fighting type was a lot of more interesting in gen 3, you could go for the reliable Brick Break or you could create a scenario were Focus Punch is a viable option. Close Combat was such a terrible idea that it has completely destroyed any variation in Fighting types.
Retards complaining about a lack of variety in sets and then saying you should strip movepools bare of literally everything are so fucking retarded that it's almost funny.
I think interesting points to be raised are how Hex and Shadow Ball aren't necessarily better than one another, but they again like the previous example, have their own ways of being used, variety is the key here. We just need more of it.

>>59700176
As you said in your own post, it's hard for variety to flourish when moves like Close Combat exist to snuff out any alternative options you may want to consider.

Monomythbros does anyone know how to reach Route 24?

>>59698914
I don’t like Odyssey’s variants but I’d take it over original Fakemon

>>59700174
But that's what Monomyth did...
I think people fail to realize games are balanced relative to themselves. Like yiu see people complaining about the GSC level curve but you can absolutely clear that with say a level 40 exeggcute on your team no problem. They're just comparing that to HGSS type beat.
>>59700147
>Fairy snail
>Shimantle
>The little electric guy underwater
>Kotora (raitora is about as scary as a chiikawa character
>Albongo is super cute even if pre evo is precious little baby
It's def more "kaijufag" than "cutefag" but there's some gems..i think the bigger problem is how all of these are gym 4 or earlier and the last half is more "tough".
>>59700149
What was forsaken, pray tell. Doing sidequests solves the money problem, exploring gets you stuff like the lucky egg, evo stones, the only pokemon with drizzle...

>>59700196
>the only pokemon with drizzle..
there's politoed too

>>59700109
>the game is pretty big and everything seems to be moved to later levels to make space for that
This is true. Level/move progression is mostly arbitrary anyway. A game ending at level 75-100 would want to pace moves in a level up pool to avoid mons capping out their potential 2/3rds of the way in, while a game ending at around 50 would have you learning the powerful stuff 'earlier.' It's the same reason why some learnsets were compressed, level wise, between Platinum and HGSS. Progression should fit the campaign rather than being a nonsensical copypaste job.

>>59700247
I think capping moveset learning at the 3/4's point is not a terrible idea. By the lategame you'll have a large pool of pokemon to decide between and it helps to have the movesets fully fleshed out.

>>59700150
All of the moves should be placed on a power spectrum
Moves on the right side of the spectrum are pure power, while moves on the left side of the spectrum are pure utility. And moves on either extreme should have some weaknesses offsetting their extreme power or utility (for example fire blast and will-o-wisp both having a considerable to miss)

For the most part pokemon does this, but they do so in a retarded way where the utility is often so weak and/or power is too strong so the best choice is usually just to go with the most consistent powerful option.
The main reason why they fuck this up is that too many moves in pokemon are delegated to "leveling moves" that aren't intended to permanent or taken seriously, so by the time you get to a point where you're actually building sets for late/end game, there just aren't a lot of serious options to choose between. They're sort of gotten better at this over time, but not really.
In a perfect world (and what I strive to do with my game), a pokemon at endgame might have 10+ different legitimate considerations for which move to bring of a given type, depending on the niche or role you want them to fill within that attack typing.

The second reason they fuck this up is just down to move availability and what the player is put up against. Why should every ground type NEED to learn earthquake? If not all of them do, it makes the ones who do have it stand out and have a more satisfying pure offensive option. And if the above is well executed, the ones who don't have access will find other ways to shine.

>>59699351
youd probably have a better impression of the story if you didnt play it with speedup. the game has been out for three days. >>59699351
>Slizón being a good example, I actually like it, thought it was cute and wanted to use it, because it's movepool is abysmally shit, and it's essentially a weaker Emolga with a different type, it's signature ability doesn't make up for how shit it is.
and heres how i know you sped up. slizon is broken as fuck

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Has anyone ever edited or expanded the Gen3 inbattle pokeball sprites, or is every fangame just sticking with vanilla Gen3 or later Gen4 or Gen5 ones?

Currently doing some experiments after noticing the Poké Ball trading sprite is basically the same as the inbattle one. Would be good to know if someone else has already done something in that direction, to avoid unnecessary work.

Call me a shitter but I wish Monomyth's gym leaders were easier, I'm sick of banging my head against a wall every time I reach a new one

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>>59700097
>>59700126
>Pick up the funny Shuriken fish
>It has technician and naturally gets Water Shuriken so it hits about as hard as nerfed Surf with only 2 hits

I know water is kind of a strong type but what did Surf do to deserve the hit

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>>59700179
Through Barbed Cave

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>Barbed Cave

>>59700150
Why would it be a problem? And waters will still pick scald over surf.

Now that the dust has settled, we can all agree that, despite its faults, Ghost Grey is an instant classic and already one of the greats?

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This was my team for the first gym on my 3rd playthrough. Still no clue what first gym schizo was bitching about

>>59700467
Is Water Shuriken actually 15 power like the field guide says it is? At 15 power Water Pulse is better.

>>59700492
Is it not priority?

>>59700492
It is, I'm taking STAB into account as well.

>>59700488
oh yeah I never grabbed a caroot. only ever saw 1 and forgot to go back

>>59700492
also, lil fish might need water shuriken for some other reason wink wink nudge nudge
so don't get rid of it

>>59700501
They're both STAB. Technician+STAB+Mystic Water equals 141.5 (average) for Water Shuriken vs 165 for Water Pulse.
>>59700507
The Move Relearner is free!! You can switch it out after.
>>59700499
Considering it has 127 speed it's only useful for other priority moves or substitutes. I guess you could keep both, your other options are
>Vacuum Wave
>Aura Sphere
>Hidden Power
>Swift
>Aurora Beam

>>59700488
>Shope dead because it can do no damage
>Leonte dead because it can do marginal damage but can't keep taking hits
>Spinarak, Kernut, Caroot unused because they all would be one shot
>Only thing worth a damn on the team is a single realmon encountered after you are introduced to the gym leader
Now replace Scraggy with either the Grass or Fire starter. All of a sudden your entire team is countered by the gym's first two mons.
You don't get a mon usable against the gym until after you are introduced to the gym, that is the problem. The gym is intentionally designed in a way that turns Route 1, 2, and the Webbed Woods worthless. There is one (1) mon before Catsear that learns one (1) move (limiting to level 10) than can hit Boomboom neutrally or above that also doesn't get hit super effectively by it.
Yes you can get Scrafty, Poliwag, and Shellos before the gym and they turn it into a joke, that isn't the point. The point is the entire introduction to the hack is rendered null and void, you can catch a team and a half worth of realmons/fakemons before you reach Catsear and they are all worthless.

>>59700532
Just take your meds and fuck off, you are a joke

>>59700532
Leonte took down the bomb and damaged the numel enough for Shope to kill it you fucking retard. That Scraggy is level 9 and was just clean up for the final mon. So many paragraphs for so many stupid assumptions. The entire team is underleveled and I still won. How are you this autistic?

>>59700538
Trying to get across why this is bad design to you knuckle dragging phone emulator dipshits just tells me people don't give a rat's ass about fundamentally sound game design. As long as a challenge isn't literally impossible you people will slurp down liquid shit.

>>59699084
Alright, I figured it out.
Before I run the part of the script that removes the items, I just need to place a label before it, and then after it removes the items, I have the game do a check to see if the bag still has any of those items. If it does, it jumps to the label at the start and goes into a loop that can only end once the bag is empty.

It's fool proof. (I think.)

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>>59700549

>>59699620
So, judging by the total silence, I guess there's none with like... a different story or new region then? Damn, and here I was hoping for inspiration.

>>59700566
Every moemon hack I've seen has been exclusively the sprite replacement with no other changes, very disappointing.

>>59700570
I've seen some that add more Pokemon to the game but that's it.
I want to make a Moemon game/romhack, but I don't know how I'd handle the whole human-Moemon relations thing.
Should I make them sapient? If so, why can they be caught? Do they WANT to be caught? Why do you find them in the grass, do they generally not prefer to live in human society? If they're not sapient, that does make things easier, but I also lose out on some interesting potentials...

>>59700549
>I *NEED* TO BE ABLE TO SOLO THE GYM WITH A SINGLE POKEMON WITHOUT TAKING A SINGLE POINT OF DAMAGE
>IF I CAN'T THAT'S BAD GAME DESIGN

>>59700576
I always saw them more like stray cats, who don’t mind living away from people and could survive just find, but who obviously live less cushy lives than those with people

>>59699799
Nidoran said hi. There's a reason why they're poison types.

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>>59699253
I was actually curious about this, but the discord has practically no details. Is this just a vanilla game with all of the same old Plaguemon sprites or is there something more to it? I didn't play the first Plaguemon so I'm not too sure what to expect. Also, for whatever reason, this sounds as if it's potentially not a "finished" release? The discord shows the file as not even a 1.0 for the build release.

>>59699253
I wanted to do an LP of it on SomethingAwful but I got banned for it. I thought it was an edgier place than that...

>>59700613
The rar file has a readme that kinda explains how much is in the game as of current. It is unfinished and there's like 240 mons, apparently the planned final number of mons goes past the base game's typical 251 since he says there's like 20-30 missing, but you can play through Johto up to 5-6 badges, presumably stopping before you can get 7 and thus starting the Radio Tower Takeover equivalent.
As for the game itself, yeah, it's just Crystal as per usual but with the Plaguemons, some new moves, altered dialogue, new sprites galore, plus whatever various novelty features or ideas Hiki threw into the thing like the skateboard, flamethrower, LSD and whatever the hell else he felt like putting in there.

>>59700619
Is it edgy? Never heard of of plaguemon 2, or plaguemon 1 if that exists

>>59700646
Yes, extremely edgy. So edgy that no other rom hack will seem edgy in comparison. There's a "raped girl" and "KKK" trainer class

Has a fangame ever gotten a romhack adaptation?

Has anyone heard of GBAx? It looks pretty neat but I've never heard of it so I don't know how good or trustworthy it is.

https://gbax-emulator.com/

>>59700602
Well, explains a bit, but doesn't help my conundrum of whether or not the moemon should be near human intelligence but with inhuman motives and thinking, or if they should just be like normal Pokemon.

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>>59700659
RoseGold is being adapted as a DS hack, but there’s only a demo right now and even the full game is said to be short, but that’s all I could think of

>>59700663
Just use mGBA, I can't imagine x has anything more to offer.

>>59700663
You know anonymous, the more I look into this the more I think this is your project. Can you give me my 5 minutes or whatever I spent back for this shit that didn't exist until 5 days ago? Thanks.

>>59700698
The main thing that attracts me is the library thing. Having everything in one place with cover art and stuff.
>>59700699
I don't expect you to believe me, but it is not. I don't know anything about programming or vibe coding, which I assume this might have been. I came across it like 5 minutes before posting, and was wondering about it since I didn't find anything or anyone talking about it.

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>>59698791
Blehhhhh! Blehhhh! Bleeehhhhhh!

>>59700150
imo pokemon tectonic did it great by introducing types on a spectrum and limiting the power by having bigger drawbacks

>>59700126
>and you need Surf to progress a lot, which causes severe teambuilding strain.
having one pokemon that can know surf (as it doesn't even need to keep the move slot once learned) is not "severe teambuilding strain"

>>59698798
jokes on you faggot, I plan on whining about niggers being in monomyth from now on as well, so take that!

>>59700795
yeah that's a big plus, you can unlearn HM moves and they keep them as field moves
don't need to have shit moves like cut or rock smash taking up space

>>59698791
>people are talking about the shiniest new romhack in a thread about romhacks
Stop the fucking presses

>>59700877
I'm fine as long as you're not forced to play as one and there's not so many that the region may as well be Wakanda.

>>59700958
whites are so fragile and narcissistic. constant foot stomping if they can't be the main character of a hack

>>59700677
i like the idea of humanizing them a little bit, but maybe making them immature and childish, with just enough intelligence to make the player not question how they survive in the wild, but maybe final stage moemon would be more capable of communication?

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It's surprising to me that so many in this general hate fakemon with a passion. Rom Hacking is basically all about replaying the exact same formula over and over, wouldn't you want some variety in that formula? not to mention how fakemon easily set apart a rom hack from all the rest.

>All the fakemon designs suck
>All the movesets suck
>All the TMs suck
>The game is too hard
>The story is bland
>The long routes/dungeons are obnoxious
>The devs are fags (against speedup, against documentation in a game that's too hard not to use it)

Why am I still playing this garbage

>>59700970
You don't loose anything meaningful when you loose a battle in Pokemon. Hell, you can just reset and keep all the information you've gained.

>>59700918
I always enjoyed how the early gens made it so you'd need to team build for exploration as well as battle, so its a decent compromise

>>59701005
>Enjoyed HM slaves

Who hurt you

>>59701007
I never used HM slaves, I spread them out through my party so everyone helped on the adventure

>HM slaves
Nah. I cheat because I'd rather my whole team be usable.

>>59701018
There is not a single game where you can't sacrifice a move slot or two on a Pokemon.

>>59700968
Caroot was a good fakemon, but it's evolution looks like shit.

>>59701007
>>59701015
>>59701018
They're HM FRIENDS now leincels!

>>59701021
I don't mind HMs but to be fair there are a couple games where you need a stupid amount of them. Like the games where there are 3 separate water HMs, on top of others.
I like the idea of needing to use certain Pokemon to navigate the world, it's good for immersion. But it's handled poorly a lot of the time.

I was enjoying Monomyth but then I saw what their Sudowoodo evolution was and I don't think I can continue playing out of principle.

>>59701032
>Like the games where there are 3 separate water HMs
Well that's just Hoenn, and you never need both Dive and Waterfall at the same time. That game's biggest sin is forcing you to pull out Rock Smash on Victory Road after not needing it since Rusturf Tunnel.

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Gauntrise is really cool, I like it a lot.

>>59700918
>you can unlearn HM moves and they keep them as field moves
That is such a strange, hack-y way of going about it. I really don't understand what that accomplishes over just letting you use an HM out of your bag if you have the corresponding badge. It's not like you need to plan around the move or anything, just teach it then immediately overwrite it at one of the move relearners. It's a five second inconvenience for no real reason.

>>59701041
>Well that's just Hoenn
Johto too. Surf/Waterfall/Whirlpool.
And I mean yeah, you might not need them all at the same time. But in all likelihood you're only going to be using one water type, so you either stick all 3 onto them, or you have to run around to unlearn them as needed. Both are annoying.

I like the idea behind HMs, but the execution is just flawed. I don't know how anyone can seriously argue otherwise. I don't think it's all bad and that the whole system should necessarily be thrown in the trash. I wish more devs would try to find a way to implement it more gracefully. But there's only so much you can do with it to be honest.

>>59700964
I like that idea a lot. Thanks anon. I'll see what I can do with it.

Incidentally, the Pokemon battle UI very easily adapts to fit Ace Attorney-style gameplay. One could very easily have a short AA-segment where you have to defend yourself from an accusation.

>>59701027
You look like shit, you fat fuck. Caroot's evo is a Clovermon-esque design (made by an artist who worked on that hack) and fucking ROCKS