We all know that modifying Game Boy games to include colour, like the Super Game Boy and GBC did, is wrong and taints the original vision, but were the games intended to be played in green, or can you play in just black and white too?
sheesh anon, what kind of dumb question is that? just play them on a real gameboy
monochrome green is the only acceptable way to emulate game boy, yes
>>10851919What about gameboy pocket?
>>10851787>ironically believing monochrome was the developer intentionkek
>we all knowsure bud
>>10851919wow, looks just like I remember!
>>10851787>were the games intended to be played in greenYes. Just like the original hardware.
>>10852019lookin' good
>>10852019Which shader is this?
>>10851787Too autistically answer the OPs question it depends.First gen GB games were either meant to just be monochrome, it doesn't matter the color the GB just happened to be green. However some games were indeed meant to be seen as green, it looks wrong in black and white or other colors.Second generation games when the Super Game Boy came out is when you started to have many developers think of the SGB colors as the intended version, if a game has Super Game Boy borders compatibility then yeah that's the intended version of how it was meant to be played. I'm not saying SGB enhancements like say DK94, even if all it includes is a border, it was meant to be played on SGB.Third gen GB games after the game boy pocket came out are meant to be played in black and white, they actually look worse off on a green screen game boy and even on Super GB.Fourth Gen GB games (black cartridges) Depends. Most are meant to be played on GBC, but there are some exceptions, most of the games that were converted to GBC like Wario Land II and even Pokemon Yellow.Fifth gen GB games (GBC only) are meant to be played on GBC.sixth gen GB games (early GBA) are meant to be played on GBA without backlit.Sevent gen GB games (later GBA) are meant to be played on a backlit GBA (Sp/Micro/GBplayer)Eight gen GB games (your downloaded rooms) are meant to be played on your mothers vagina.
>>10851787When there's no color, there's only contrast. In other words, what allows you to perceive "shapes" in a grid of pixels is the relative light/dark difference of each pixel with its neighbors. The tint of this "black and white" screen doesn't affect this, but the human eye is more sensitive to certain colors than others. For example, we can see many more shades of green than blue or red. If this would affect your perception because of the tint is debatable, because the Game Boy can produce only a few different tones anyway. But regardless of the tint, I suspect your mind would "equalize" things anyway after playing for a few minutes.
>>10851787Color always objectively wins and believing otherwise just means you're a contrarian and don't bathe.
>>10852451Thank you. Can you give examples of which GB games that must be played black and white, SGB and on GBC?I can think of:Green: Tetris, Mario Land, Link's AwakeningBlack and White: Kirby' Dream Land 2, Pokémon Red and Green, Donkey Kong Land series.
>>10852676It's wrong to use in the Game&Watch Gallery.
For me, it’s the Game Boy Light
>>10851787There were probably a few examples where the developer expected the game to be that pea soup green of the original Game Boy, but for the most part the assets were just developed in black and white monochrome.The advent of the Super Game Boy complicates things a bit, because some games absolutely used it for color, and to varying degrees. Even if a game wasn't made for the SGB, the dev had to expect some players might experience the game using one.For games that don't rely on SGB features, it really doesn't matter too much.
>>10852478>For example, we can see many more shades of green than blue or red.You got it wrong, we can see many more shades of green AND blue than red, green and blue are more or less considered the same in the eye with regards to the amount of visible spectrum they take up.
>>10851787I prefer the green palette for DMG games because it's how I would have played them. Nonetheless, when playing them on AGB, I would always set it to grayscale and didn't mind too much.
>Noooo you don't get it early Game Boy games MUST be played green only!!!Actual Game Boy game developers:
Super Gameboy is the best way to play the original GB games. I like to change pallets for each level/stage depending on the atmosphere of the level.
>>10853731Yup, not to mention that later GB models like the Pocket and Light had grayscale screens, GBC and GBA screens display GB games in grayscale despite being able to use other colors, and even the more contemporary SGB displayed non-SGB enhanced GB games in grayscale if you weren't using palette altering codes.
>>10852019now THATS the gb i remember
>>10851787>We all knowkys
gameboy pocket>eye bleeding green
>>10853731>>10853825That's because he's abiding by Japanese "legal emulation services only" (in this case, Switch Online Game Boy emulation) to display this, you fucking idiots. That's not even close to how DL1 looks on the Pocket, and yes, I've actually played on one.
>>10852451>Fourth Gen GB games (black cartridges) Depends. Most are meant to be played on GBC, but there are some exceptions, most of the games that were converted to GBC like Wario Land II and even Pokemon Yellow.Another one of these is Pokemon Trading Card Game. It runs much slower if you play it on a SGB or original GB, and as a menu-based game, that's very significant. I never noticed this, as by the time it came out, I had already had a GBC (specifically the extremely kink Pokemon one that was bundled with Yellow), so I didn't notice this until years later via emulation (and only because I wanted to see the "Medals border" when playing this game on an SGB, but now I think I understand why my brother doesn't have as much love or nostalgia for Pokemon TCG GB as I do, since he still only had an original GB when he got his copy of it.
>>10854221It's more noble to play games with longer load times, as we discussed in this thread >>10708447
>>10854893>we>>>/r/eddit
>>10854205If you put a GB cart into any piece of official hardware that isn't an original GB it will be gray and not green. If being green was so important they wouldn't have released GBs with non-green screens and other hardware playing GB games on full color screens would display it in green as well.
>>10853825>later GB models like the Pocket and Light had grayscale screensPocket is the closest to grayscale but still has a green tint, Light is light blue.>GBC and GBA screens display GB games in grayscaleBoth colorize by default. Grayscale is one of the optional palettes.>SGB displayed non-SGB enhanced GB games in grayscaleThe default palette is not grayscale. Pic related. Grayscale once again is a palette option. SGB even allowed you to create your own palette.At the end of the day Gameboy games just have four shades and you can colorize them however you want.
>>10855063Okay, and which of those pieces of hardware uses green as the default?
for me it's pokemon on the SGB and each city having a unique palette
>>10854950>If you put a GB cart into any piece of official hardware that isn't an original GB it will be gray and not green.i kid you not some spastics here and elsewhere think the green of the display was a choice nintendo made and nothing to do with severe limitations of lcd screens back in the 1980s.
>>10855063>The default palette is not grayscaleoriginal gameboy is grayscale. even mentions this in official development documentation.
>>10855063game boy games are fun because you can pick any colour you want and play the game in it, like brown which is surprisingly good
>>10852019>scanlines
The green originally intended graphics feel warm, pleasant and welcoming. https://youtu.be/i2zzwooB_NMThe new grey graphics look depressing, static and unnatural.https://youtu.be/yc5Yp1gKzQoIf you prefer the grey, or are so deluded that you think any developer consented to their games being displayed in grey, you are inhuman.
>>10854950>>10856780I didn't comment on "what the correct color pallette is supposed to be" at all, you loons. I said anon's use of that Sakurai video example as evidence for his claim was stupid because Sakurai is just using officially, essentially stock footage of a game he's referring to. I seriously hope you don't think Switch Online is what Game Boy games are supposed to look like.
>>10856835The only thing making the second video look bad is the resolution being upscaled into oblivion. Games should be played at most with 2:1 scaling, never fullscreened on an HD monitor.
>>10856835looks nothing like>>10852019
>>10855063this nigga presses X
>>10856859Personally I salvaged an actual Game Boy LCD, rigged up a USB interface, and output 160x144 video directly to it from my PC when I emulate
>>10856862may I see it?
>>10856868...no
>>10856862I know USB-C can do low latency video out since graphical drawing tablets use it, you'd think someone would make a USB-to-component video adapter for emulation on CRT...
>>10856868Can you see into the imagination of a larper?
>>10857546when it's just text it's not live action, it's just roleplay. kill yourself
>>10857546I don't understand, are you claiming it's an impossible feat to create a usb interface to a well documented LCD screen?
>>10857713>I don't understandOf course you don't. That would require reading comprehension.>are you claiming it's an impossible feat to create a usb interface to a well documented LCD screen?No. I'm saying it's an impossible feat for (You) to create a USB interface to a well documented LCD screen.
>>10857924you know it's not that hard to do right? When he says "well-documented" he means "there's basically tutorials and code that I can just read as a guide to make it do exactly what I want to">it's not hard... just because you're too dumb to solder some pins and copy and paste code doesn't mean other people are, too.
>>10851787The color is not the important part as long as you have a proper handheld to play them on
>>10857967I know it's very easy. But I also know he/(You) are a no-skill underage larper who didn't do it and never could.
>>10853770The ghosting from the DMG adds to the experience aswell as having to tilt the monitor just the right way
What do you guys think of this game boy pocket shader?
There is this one too
>>10851787>We all know that modifying Game Boy games to include colour, like the Super Game Boy and GBC did, is wrong and taints the original vision,We do? How do any of us know the original vision?
>>10860171>they totally made this gameboy game in color then removed the color
>>10856827Those are not scanlines
If you're not playing in the original resolution and green pea colour, you did not by any stretch of the imagination play the game.
>>10861059>not playing the game in 1:1 scale in fullscreen mode
>>10858569Looks too blue.
There is no more aesthetic way of playing GameBoy games than playing them on a green gameboy.
>>10858571>a legit Mewjelly
I don’t really care I play how I want
>>10851787It's a detail anon. Your brain will translate it into black and white and you will forget the real color of the screen.
>>10861059>mesen>tomb raider trilogy>obs>steam>vlc player>that Dracula X icon from the pirate emulated "PC version">bluestacksAre you me or are we all the same?
>enhances your childhood
>>10851787Many later gaemboy games were made with the super game boy in mind, so they had proper colour palettes and custom borders.Mole Mania for example
>>10861059Ewww
>>10858571DMG screens are so beautiful
>>10854205>That's not even close to how DL1 looks on the PocketAs it turns out, no one cares. It's not a factor. You shouldn't pretend to be playing on any Game Boy old screen when emulating on a big modern screen.
>>10862564you are now obligated to try Ys
>>10864241ew no. shovelware series
>>10862681my favorite is dark brown (B up). it is the only one where white/black are different colors for sprites and backgrounds.
>>10866267At least try the first 3 on PC Engine brah
>>10866267How so?
>>10866267Do it, coward.
>>10864241I played the first 3 on NES
>>10867437i samefagged with bait to keep my thread alive
>>10862686I still need to actually play this game
>>10852019Thats how it was with old Gameboy consoles. Always had to chase for a light source(unless you had that light plug in tool) but always had to keep on a certain angle in order to avoid the light glare and also the visuals had insane ghosting. At least with emulators right now we can simulate how the visuals would have been if we didnt have to deal with these issues
>>10867936It was easier back then. There was no global warming yet so the sun wasn't as bright, it was perfect for letting you see the Game Boy screen without any glare.
>>10867951Are you kidding?>T. still have a working gameboy from the old days
>>10868018>still have a working gameboy from the old daysOkay? Doesn't change the fact that the screen was designed for a 1980s sun, not a 2024 sun that's ~20% hotter and brighter. You can't even get halogen lamps anymore either, it's just all LCD bulbs that are terrible for the Game Boy.
>>10868027I have distinct memories taking my gameboy to school trips in the 90s, and trying to find some shade with my nerdy friends so that we play pokemon properly. The things you are talking about are textbook definition of rose tinted glasses. I dont know if the sun got more "sunnier" in the 2024, but gameboy's glare and ghosting were always there, and they were always annoying. Perhaps you remember it like this, because back then you knew no better than the gameboy tech and it felt wonderful, and also because the mind tends to filter out the "bad noise" from your good childhood memories
>>10868018whoa anon, you're part of an exclusive group of 120 million people
>>10858571can I use that with retroarch
>>10868037I doubt more than 80 million of those aren't lost or broken.
>>10867509How did you gain the will to try the other two after playing the abysmal port of 1 on that?
>>10851787>We all know that modifying Game Boy games to include colour, like the Super Game Boy and GBC did, is wrong and taints the original visionFuck you OP, Dk 94 was designed for sgb. you don't know shit about fuck, faggot.
>>10860202This is true for black cartridge games
>>10853689for me, it's top right
Can you still find replacement green LCD screens for old gameboys anywhere? It seems like all the original ones are really worn out and have really shitty contrast these days.
>>10868137DK 94 was designed for Game Boy and hastily slapped together for SGB.
The monochrome palette of the original Game Boy was inspired by the Japanese comic industry, known popularly as manga, where the style is black and white. Nintendo was pressured by its Western branch to hastily cobble together the GBC to appease Westerners, but the original Game Boy remained the handheld of choice for Japanese gamers until the GBA came out.
>>10853731I'm fairly certain Sakurai doesn't edit those videos himself.
>>10871835lol
>>10871835
>>10851787Certain forwards compatible GBC games are a good case study for this, since they can actually have more detailed graphics when played on a DMG since in B&W the palette goes entirely into shading.
>>10873976sovl...
>>10874045Holy shit the GB version looks so much better.
>>10874045The GBC version Wario Land II had this weird shit where it could only ever be played on one system or the other. You'd have to erase your save data if you wanted to play on the opposite system.
>>10874417weird, I've written gb and gbc homebrew and I don't see any reason why that would've been necessary
>>10874438According to TCRF removing the check for the save version doesn't have any known side effects. Could've been a safeguard since they're separate roms or they intended to make changes that didn't end up happening.
>>10874045You know, I've seen the other thread about JP fan hacks reverse-translating pretty different EN ROMS (one example being Zelda II arguably being better on NES over FDS) and I have to wonder, has anyone tried porting Japanese GBC-version text to the English-only GB Wario Land II? It's arguably the better version. The game got delayed twice -once for SGB support and again for GBC- and the latter particularly feels rushed. In retrospect, I think Nintendo of America/Europe made the right call releasing the original version before GBC came out. You'd just need to port over the chapter/save text I think, maybe leave penguin and logo graphical edits optional. Seems relatively simple.
>>10876046>why yes, I play warioland for the text
>>10862681I think it was left+B I used to use all the time, especially for Pokemon. With so much of the dex being water pokemon, blue colors looked good on most of them.
>>10867936>Always had to chase for a light source(unless you had that light plug in tool) but always had to keep on a certain angleIt was never as hard as people make it sound. Literally just sit by a window and you have enough light.The only actively difficult scenario was trying to play in a car at night, pausing in between streetlights.
>>10876046Half the romhacks on romhacking.net break the dmg portion of the rom. Seems they're only interested in the GBC version.
