How would you rate Koei's strategy games?
a solid i don't care out of i never played them
Uncharted Waters 2 is a solid 10/10 for me, does it count as a strategy game?
They're the main ones I play. RKT2, 9, 11 and Iron Triangle might be my favorites
I had Gemfire on NES as a kid. Not the best game but I liked it.
I do not like games based on China. There, I said it.
>>10870439More like RPG. Instead of walking, you travel with ships.
>>10870417Basically menu simulators at best. It takes a certain amount of Autism to even figure out what the fuck to do in these games, let alone in the modern era, trying to find someone on YouTube that has any sense of how to play, even with GameFAQ guides in mind.However, I do respect these games as we wouldn't have any of the Dynasty Warriors or Samurai Warriors or Warriors Orochi games without them.As you can tell, maybe my IQ is too low for them desu. I think the best hybrid of these types were the Empire series for the Dynasty and Samurai Warriors games since at least the combat was good.Maybe when we have more generative AI for rom hacks, we can make a ROM hack for these games to force it to have fast paced Fire Emblem type combat, and more general menu simulator type sections that are just easier to understand.All in all, great scope, terribly executed for the average person.
>>10870417cool story and concept. but combat and troop building feels tedious and clunky.certain factions are also much stronker than others.
>>10870834This post made me laugh. You might like RTK7 man because the menus are real fast in that game and the combat is also pretty polished.
>>10870417Best strategy games ever made and a very diverse catalogue coming from just one company. Tendo, Iron Triangle, Rot3K X and New Horizons are the GOAT.
>>10870952PTO 2 as well is the best Pacific war grand strategy game.
>>10870430Based
>>10870939Just saw a YouTube vid of it, looks ok.To be fair I love the soul of the SNES games. I just am too retarded to figure out what to actually do.
>>10870417I like them a lot, but only from PS2 onward. Anything before that is a little too dry for me.
>>10871358>>https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10628978/#q10639004
>>10872259Thanks dude, good idea about Gemfire.
>>10870417I love the art, making all these chinks look like absolute chads.
they made eighteen fucking thousand games based on the same book
Gemfire is great. The soundtrack is superb too.I wish they made more fantasy wars instead of remaking the same historic conflicts over and over
>>10874650Movies, anime, novels, etc etc etc it's one of the most important book in asia
>>10875773>novels based on novelsThere isn't that much media based on Rot3K but Koei in particular in positively fixated on it.
>>10870417I prefer Nobunaga's Ambition if only because Japanese history is easier to follow and more interesting than that dry, boring Chinese clusterfuck.
tried playing Rise of the Phoenix a couple times to no avail. Had no idea how to manage resources, who were all those subordinates and what i was supposed to be doing with them. Led my starting armies in a couple battles until they were exhausted and that was it.i'm used to playing total war games so i guess that made me dumb
>>10876184The Genesis version of Nobunaga’s Ambition is my favorite combination of simple gameplay, easier to deal with menus & options, and cute graphics. I’ve tried the later SNES and earlier NES versions and they can’t compete. Way too complex and convoluted.
>>10870812same, any game with a chinese theme is a hard pass
Aerobiz, GK: Clan of Grey Wolf, and Gemfire were all amazing. Uncharted Waters 2 though is probably what I played the most.They had a serious run there on the SNES where my friends and I played there games almost exclusively
>>10876198Watch a TV series called King's War (Legend of Chu and Han) if you want to know the story of Rise of the Phoenix. It's in Netflix. If you watch Three Kingdoms (2010), you'll find many familiar faces.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_War
I've only really put time into the ROTK series (and only the PS2+ games at that,) but they're my favourite games of all time. Unfortunately, it feels like there's no real definitive version of ROTK with officer style gameplay. ROTK7, 8, and 10 are all great, but they all have weird flaws that prevent them from being perfect. I guess that's a good thing though, cuz I find myself cycling through the 3 regularly. As far as the retro ruler-only games go, I've only played 9/11 (heh) and I could never get into 9. 11 is amazing, but it becomes a bit of a slog toward the end of a match where you have no chance of losing, especially if you're playing on a PS2 instead of the PC version.Imo, 7 > 10 > 11 > 8 > 9. They're all fun though, like Paradox games but simpler. I really need to give 9 another shot one of these decades.
>>10881559I'm replying IX right now. No EN version for PC so I played CN version because couldn't find JP version.
>>10881596God damn those graphics are gorgeous.
do you guys have any hope for the rtk8 remake? knowing koei i'm sure it's going to be terrible, but i'd be so happy if it actually turned out good by some miracle
>>10881624I don't think it's really gonna be that much different from the original except the graphics, addition of more standard officers, and several relationship gimmicks. Personally I'm not really hyped up because I've played 8, 10, 13, and 14, and between all those I don't see the appeal of the 8 compared to 10 or even the newer ones. Maybe the turn based battles for those sick of realtime in 13 and 14, but then again 10 exists.
>>10881596I really like ROTK7's look
>>10881610>left console>right pcPC version looks better. But console version has bonus characters. I prefer the pretty look.>>10881734I played the PC CN version too. I love playing as Zuo Ci because he can summon thunder. He is weak though and the thunder sometimes backfires and hits you or your allies.
>>10881734>>10881759>>10881596why couldn't Civ 3 look this good before they moved to 3D stuff?
>>10882027One thing I don't like about Civ's map is too many stuff on the map. You build irrigation, mines, railroads, etc. It makes the map look ugly.
>>10881734ROTK7's city screens are peak comfy.
>>10870812I was the same way, so when I was a kid I just made dozens of custom officers in the ROTK games and would set up countries for them. None of them were chinese characters, so it made the game a lot more relatable for me. Then I started getting into the setting, years later.
>>10882057Civ was always ugly. 5 is the only one that looked good. 6 went back to ugly.
>>10882539I don't know about Civ 4 or later. I only played the first 3 Civ games.
>>10881734Is that Liu Bei? I know by the handsome face and large ears.
>>10882621yeah
>>10882621He usually has the highest charm/charisma in the game.
>>10881734>that mapThe games always make Cao Cao (or later Cao Pi)'s hegemony very overpowering in the north compared to the others, but in the literature and movie they make it sound easy for either Wu or Shu to just waltz to Xuchang.
>>10882057>>10881759>>10881734>>10881596Do you have a download link? All I could find was a version on TheArchive but the disc image is corrupted
>>10885202Which games do you want?>TheArchivearchive.org?
>>10885245yeah, just Rotk 7 and Dynasty Warriors 5, for both I can only find shitty copies that don't work
>>10885395I just used the one on CDRomance, but to make it work on PCSX2 you need revision 0.9.9.r5326 - compiled on Jun 25 2012
Cassiopeia must have done the soundtrack:https://youtu.be/LIO-HKO5zRo?si=HS_sN4ltnKcE9TNp
I like some RTS games, like Warcraft 3. I like some TBS games, generally more recent stuff though. I like grand strategy games like Europa Universalis. I love the turn based/RTS hybrid Total War series. I like strategy games.I do not like Koei's strategy games at all. They do nothing for me.
>>10885461Funny, the ones you like do nothing for me.
>>10870417love many of them. Peaked in the PS2 era. s/o to Gemfire. I nominate Dynasty Tactics (1and 2) for games only I played.
>>10885475I even like the source material. I was obsessed with Dynasty Warriors 2 and 3 when I was younger, played all of the other releases and really got back in with 8. I've read the novels multiple times and watched TV shows based on them. Don't like the Koei strategy games at all.
>>10885718Novel, singular. Brain fucked up because my copy of it is a 4 parter.
>>10885446Obviously I meant the PC versions of both
>>10870417The only winning strategy is not to play them.
>>10886674Google greenpig83
>>10886678Check em
Can't wait for the remake of ROTK8
>>10886687Thanks, but what about Dynasty Warriors 5?
>>10870417*release the same game over and over again**top 10 most rich person in japan*
>>10887089But his soundtracks are so hot. Never thought I could get amped for a turn based battle in ancient China, yet here we are:https://youtu.be/KzOTxgPtTso?si=8GF_ZU5b-7JhyKPv
>>10870417They could easily remake those old classic strategy games with some paradox style implementations. The market is there.
Dynasty Tactics 2 is my favourite. You're going to need a lot of patience though, once you're about halfway through, it starts taking a very very long time, especially planning and organizing your generals/officers and which cities/chokepoints they're attacking/defending.The enemy AI is smart (sometimes) and will usually attack your weakest group with their strongest officers, and those battles take a looooong time.
>>10887289Feels like they spend 90% of the ROTK budget on soundtracks.
>>10870417Spoonfeed me on the differences - some are grand strat others are simulation?
>>10887478>paradox style implementationsNon-stop MTX for half-assed games?
>>10887720Most are grand stat, only a few are more simulator RPG like Uncharted Waters
>>10888243Aren't a couple of the Rot3K games more simulation/rpg?
>>10870417Rotk x is my favorite just because I like role playing and not giving a shit about conquering China
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