How noticeable is the quality difference between a 1 chip and 2 chip SNES played on a consumer CRT TV through RGB?
This is one of those things like the "High Definition Graphics and Sound" Genesis that you have to be literally looking for differences to even notice oneBack in the day it was just SNES, nobody cared or even knew what model they had
>>10884419I assume it's just another meme pushed by scalpers to further ruin the retro market. Sure there might be some difference but it's not worth the markup these retards charge
Quite noticeable. Voultar is releasing a board soon that will allow the earlier SNES PCBs to have the same quality as the 1chip. While 1chip SNES consoles look nice it's basically officially licensed clone hardware and as such some games have issues. Air Strike Patrol's player shadow not rendering and Super Turrican not being playable are the most well known examples.
You won't notice the difference outside of screenshots.You won't notice the difference outside of screenshots.The Wii or Mister both have better quality RGB output when playing Snes games than either of them and nobody cares because collectors don't play games.
>>10884468The GPM-02 is the only reliable variant of the original two chip SNES. Indeed one chip models do have some behavioral differences. It doesn't affect all games but occasionally glitches or other odd stuff can happen. I remember at least some of the Mega Man games had glitchy graphics on them.
>>10884468>While 1chip SNES consoles look niceLiterally. They don't have the issue with the shells turning yellow.
>>10884391>How noticeable is the quality difference between a 1 chip and 2 chip SNES played on a consumer CRT TV through RGB?Doesn't exist except for Third World countries who use 50Hz.
>>10884391the lead from composite to s-video is more noticeable than a console switch or s-video to RGB.
SHVC has better video quality than GPM unfortunately those are unreliable shit.
>>10884603i kinda like the yellow
>>10884391Really depends on TV, it's noticeable on my late model 25" trinitron and not at all on old cheapo 21" samsung, though you have to look for it to notice. That said, it isn't much and not worth getting another console or fuck with mods to "fix">>10884419I imagine people started to obsess over it when scalers came into play, it's really apparent when upscaled, unlike on CRT.
jesus christ what kind of virgin loser cares about shit like this
>>10887194It has to be a scalper wanting to price up the snes he found on the garbage.I don't even get what he means,is the two pcb snes sold on US or is the one board sold on japan and europe? Who knows.The only notable difference is when fixing and is only on japan and europe versions,firdt version have an easy to remove sound chip, the later versions have the sound chip soldered to the board and is mostly that.If OP fag meant the DIY snes kit well who knows,are official and region free but the only difference is they are made like the snes ( with 2 pcb)
>>10888087If you mean the SNES with the removal sound board, avoid those at all costs. They have a nasty habit of committing seppuku.
>>10888125>i reflowed my S-CPU from my old model, those are poorly made so you have to avoid them (ignore that i was the one ruining them by using too much heat).if 4sta fix those and prefer those due to being "better quality and easier to fix" after making a video when he bought 100 junk snes only to see the only issue in some of them was the PPU tells you a lot (of 100 units,10 had PPU issues,3 had CPU issues second version and the rest working without issues all of them fixable)
>>10886013Seeing a yellowed SNES gives me a sudden urge to brush my teeth.
>>10884419The HDGS Genesis models are bought for the better audio chip iirc, not graphical reasons.
>>10884391It's noticeable, the non-1chips have a really soft image and I see the difference in quality immediately over composite.
>>10888649My SNES is turning almost brown
>>10888653Beware if it starts asking for a trabajo or google play gift cards.
>>10888125>>10888613Is it possible some dead SHVCs actually have a loose sound board? If that makes poor contact in the socket the console won't boot at all.
I don't actually know for sure the revision of my Super Famicom because I've never opened it but according to the serial it's likely either a SNS-CPU-RGB-02 or SNS-CPU-APU-01. I don't care about 1chip autism but is there any known issues with these revisions?
>>10888670>I don't care about 1chip autism but is there any known issues with these revisions?Some games have glitches or other odd behaviors on 1chip units as the PPU is a bit different from the two chip ones.
>>10884946>Doesn't exist except for Third World countries who use 50Hz.why is /pol/ tier shitflinging constantly allowed here? fuck off
>>10888125I mean, hey, the first Famicoms from '83 were also lemons that got recalled.
A yellowed shell generally indicates a two chip SNES while the one chip machines had the revised plastic shells that got rid of the yellowing issue.
>>10888686posting webms of american crack dens is also /pol/ tier behaviour thoughbeit
>>10884419“we didn’t pay attention as kids” doesn’t contribute to any discussion
>>10888993don't be silly, anon, that itself is discussion
>>10888651SHVC is a little crisper than the GPM.
>>108843912 chip is 1 gooder i think
Depends entirely on the TV. Some dogshit cheap mid range? You probably won't notice, the picture will be blurred to shit either way. A trinitron? You'll probably notice.Honestly, if it's a dealbreaker, just buy a MiSTer. It'll cost you less than a system and a flashcart at this point anyway.
>>10890003I got my SNES from a Gamestop in 2004 back when you could still get them for $20.
>>10890021Even so, an SD2SNES will run you about 100 bucks. I paid 50 bucks for my SuFami, don't even use it.
>>10888650>>10884419>better audio chipsega intentionally nerfed the treble on model 2's audio output (the gear that comes after the ym2612) and you can replace all that on both models with mega ampthe other model 2 difference is the bootup logo and idk if you can reflash/rechip the bios on that
>>10890050>an sdsnes cost a 100 dollars.Nahh those shit are cheap,i bought one yesterday i could have gone the regular for 8 dollars but i wanted to play games with special chips so i bought the sdsnes sp that comes with a custom fpga that emulates the sa1,dsp and most of the chips that costed 16 dollars.
>>10890123No he's right, I don't think you know what you bought. The FPGA ones that can emulate all the chips are $80-$100, these are branded SD2SNES.There's cheaper ones that can play DSP chip games that are like $30The ones with no special chip functionality are like $15
>>10890151>you have to buy the murrican expensive ones,the ones the scalpers are selling on ebay.Well either is buying one already done for cheap or buy the parts.>basic sdsnes pcb 4 dollars,everdrive pcb 6 dollars.>fpga pcb for sdnes 10 dollars.>case not included.I will go with a premade>but muh.....Nope all things come from the same factory even expensive ones,only difference is the case.
>>10890289You built your own? Fair enough then
>>10884391About one chip
>>10890096> intentionally Truly intentionally or just gross incompetance?
>>10890289where did you buy?
>>10891743i opened one i bought for a hundred bucks from someone promoting that shit,searched the factory with chip number,is a chinese factory,they make the pcb by lot so quite cheap in the end.is not that hard find the origin of most stuff with the chip databases which not only give you the maker but also give you the prices and part number as sold.for example>Datenmeister : SW34V80DGB megadrive fpga price 5 dollarsand similar stuff.take as an example>buy retrofreak (really expensive)>breaks after a year>RF : we sell replacement main board for 200 dollars>me : fuck it i will search the pieces and fix it myself>RF: NO YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT YOU SHOULD BUY OUR EXPENSIVE REPLACEMENT.>ignore them buy the replacement chips really cheap on aliexpress (buy 3 that are the wrong ones) ,is broken so i will use the wrong chip,is working as intended after replacement .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_tqVPiFLdgdespite the different number of the chip it was the same used by retrofreak.
>>10891776based. but what's the sd2snes chip number and who makes the pcbs?
>>10891409SoJ attempting to sabotage SoA and delay the release of the 32x long enough that the Saturn would be launched before it. The hope was SoA would be dealing with massive returns and low sales because of sailing an obvious inferior product but they didn't expect American standards to be so low that no one even cared.
>>10892754Bullshit
Tangentially related but is it true that later Nintendo 64 models like the Funtastic line produce sharper visuals than earlier models?
>>10894564Yes, at the cost of soul.
>>10892754You made an assertion, I called bullshit, prove your claim, faggot. There must have been some source you got that information from, what is it?
Any SNES is fine for playing on a CRT just try and avoid the early ones that are prone to failure
>>10896990dude trust me
