>ruins your desire to game
>>10895020recently bought some 30 dollar custom component cables for my wii, after dealing with these for the longest time0 regrets, the price and wait was worth it
whats wrong with them?
>>10895027This is a thread about composite, not component you fucking retardholy shit
Composite has always looked better than RGB Scart on my CRT, so these complaints always miss me, man. I love compositeI want a Reshade preset that looks like composite
How about you read what he posted again. He said he switched from composite to component.
>>10895051>i can't read but I'll chime in anyway!!
>>10895058Reply meant for>>10895051
>>10895020Never had this issue, everything 5th gen and below looks great on composite
>>10895020>CRT with component inputs>HDretrovision cables>SCART>200 hours in 240p test suite>yolk adjustment
>>10895065>he didn't recap his boardlol, lmao
>>10895020RF is better I agree
>>10895038youtube told me they're bad
>actually composite is more representative of developer intent. If you want crisp pixels you may as well emulate *snort*
>>10895084Damn, extremely giga-brained opinion, sir. But why did you put the green arrow?
>>10895051jesus mate, the ironysome reading comprehension maybe?don't be so mean, it can backfire, just like it did now
>>10895084drugs are for losers
I miss Scart
>>10895038blur, less than ideal colors, more prone to giving people migraines, there's absolutely nothing good about compoSHIT
>>10895089>>10895090>I use a composite cable in 2024, because I saw some youtubes about how it perfectly smears together pixels in the way God (Miyamoto) himself intended for every single game and produces the most beautiful dot crawl and color artifacts. >If I wasn’t using composite, I’d be using imaginative artistic video shaders that recreate the vibe the author got from looking at a screenshot of Super Mario World in a phone photo of a page of a games magazine from 1991.
>>10895248Who are you quoting?
>>10895020Doesn't change my desire to game, but it does change whether I will actually do it. I can't find the component cables for my N64, and my TV doesn't have the inputs for it anyway.I'm sure I could buy that stuff, but why bother when I can just emulate.
>>10895020I played using composite, it not RF, for almost 20 years, and it didn’t stop me from daydreaming about getting home from school and booting up some fun. My point being: you’re gay.
>>10895253>component cables for my N64did you mod your 64?
I like S- Video a whole lot. It looks great on anything.
>>10895258No. Did I use the wrong word? I thought the default cables to connect to the monitor were called component cables. I think I gave them to my friend when I let him borrow my gamecube. They used the same cable.
>>10895273Component come with red green and blue plugs, the one in OP is compositeA SNES cable will also work in the 64
>>10895038Nothing. Retard zoom zooms being stupid.
I used composite through the entire seventh gen, didn't even know what component was.
>>10895020>ruins your desire to gameare you sure you really had the desire to game from the start?
>>10895285Oh I see, thank you for clarifying. I guess that means that the SNES cable would work with the gamecube? I never own a SNES.
>>10895335they work on four generationsIt wasn't until the Wii that they changed plug
>>10895248only 2 days without pills and we're already posting our imaginary conversations huh
Experimented it all, from RGB to SCART to fucking around with VGA... In the end, I came back home, to composite, as devs intended.
>>10895364>from RGB to SCART to fucking around with VGASCART is a connector which facilitates RGB, same with VGA except at a higher resolution
I have component or S-Video cables for all my old consoles. I can''t play games with component anymore they are terrible.
>>10895340Watch out if you live in PAL territory. Nintendo bodged some signal level issues by putting extra components in the cable and using the wrong cable on the wrong console will give you wonky video. Also, never use NTSC cables on PAL consoles and vice versa for the same reason.
>>10895454It’s a capacitorThe NTSC capacitor is in the console whereas the PAL one is in the cable
s-video.
>>10895454This. And it's not just a problem with wires, where we all know PAL wires are slower than NTSC wires. I once accidentally a PAL overlay on my NTSC vectrex. It made mustard gas.
The developers intended players to use composite cables. Anybody who used s-video or component didn't actually beat any of their games.
>>10895556>The developers intended players to use composite cables
>>10895576Jarpigs are not games so that doesn't count.
>>10895584And platformers?
>>10895602>Nintendo >gamesKeep it coming buddy I can do this all day
>>10895605
>>10895616
I don't care. I'm not wrong and you're gay for trying so hard to win an internet argument.
>>10895636I haven't even read the argument.But you're wrong.Stop saying you're not wrong.
>>10895556>The developers intended players to use composite cables.True, picrel is straight from the developers themselves. They generally worked on the games on RGB monitors but they knew that the average person buying their games would be playing on some relatively cheap consumer TV hooked by via component or RF, and designed their games accordingly.
Me I used to have a giant tv with component input that I played everyone on even 7th gen consoles all the way until I moved in 2015Now I'm stuck with a medium sized tv that only has composite+s-video and really wonky geometry on the bottom right corner but I still love it
>>10895670There's also thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kILeyo1iv0A&t=89s
I use cheap chinkshit RGB scart cables for all my consoles. They look great
>>10895576This. In japan they do things the opposite way they do in """The West""". As you can clearly see, the players sit in offices playing on development systems. The developers sit at home and develop games using a home system and type code using the dpad. This is why Japanese games have so much soul.
>>10895675>>10895670>badly designed sega hardwareAlways the 2 same only sources and nothing else to show for it, other systems don't need composhit for some weak effects, are you really going to sacrifice color & sharpness for it?
>>10896259I will use composite where the developers intended for it to be used, and higher quality cables when that's not necessary.
>>10895089He was quoting me.
I'm not going through the headache of doing RGB mods, so I only use the best official cables for each system. If that means using composite then that's fine by me.
>>10896449Good thing most systems don’t need mods.
>>10895051Maybe I don't know the difference.I just get cables and plug em in and it works.Must be the Magnavox...
>>10895089The only console you were ever "intended" to play with Composite was the Mega Drive because it had composite input so shitty and blurry it could be used for memes like the sonic rainbow waterfallAll other consoles were meant to be played with arcade-quality graphics instead of catering to american technological backwardness.
>>10896524>console comes with composite cables>"it wasn't meant to play with composite!!"Ok, buddy
>>10896527There’s a difference between intention (including a cable because you want it to smear the pixels in a certain way) and a business need (including a cable because it’s cheap and it works with an input that most of your customers have).With Genesis it was a side effect of the particularly bad composite output from that particular video IC that developers ended up exploiting to simulate more colors.
I do RF for 2nd gen and lower and some 3rd. Composite for 4th and 3rd. S video for 5th. Component and vga for 6th.
>>10895020NTSC only issue. PAL composite looks great.
>>10896649Why settle for composite with PAL? Pretty much every PAL CRT has a scart connector and is capable of RGB
>>10896650In my experience, RGB actually looks worse to me. Composite is sharp and crispy, whilst RGB always looks soft.
>>10896669It should be the opposite but okay
>>10896618>>10896524Huh, didnt that one jap developer from the past mentioned he had RF/Composite in mind when making graphics?
>>10896259No actual "sharpness" is lost. The width of the blur is not enough for a single point sample to be removed from the displayed image. The primary colors may be less vivid, but it adds additional colors and transparency for free. i actually played Genesis with the included RF as a kid, because almost no one even thought about upgrading a console's cables before 6th gen.
>>10896669It doesn’t look worse, it looks cleaner and way too sharpAll the stray pixels that are used for dithering and blending become more obvious and make the image worseBut I say that from using a 28” screen, I can see how composite might look bad on something below 20”
>>10895620Do you think MJ cared that the waterfalls didn't look right?
>>10895020Composite looks fine - and in some cases preferable even. Raw or close to raw with a Genesis for example looks objectively worse due to composite blending. And it's not like it looks terrible. Even RF looks good (actually better today than back in the day since no analog TV broadcast interference after the digital switch).If you were talking like dreamcast or PS2, or wii, then component or RGB might actually be preferable in that case. But the earlier stuff? The opposite.Regardless, none of the outputs ruins my desire to game. Life does that.
>>10897019I have never seen RGB look sharp. Its certainly cleaner, but not sharp. For some reason composite has always been sharper in my experience. Of course this is higly dependant on the specifc TV and signal source, but this is my experience with what hardware I have had access to.
>>10896650It looks worse. Composite image can be adjusted by the TV's settings, RGB can't. This is on my cheapo set. I don't know about others and I ain't about to drop money on a 40kg TV in 2024
I concede that composite is blurrier. But blurrier is not necessarily worse. Why would you want sharpness on old graphics anyway. The blurriness is your anti-aliasing
>>10897158Then I think you have not seen RGB>>10897226RGB adjustments are done in the service menu by making the colours correctAnd then you adjust the contrast for brightness
>hardwarethats gonna be a yikes from me dawg. for me its emulating them, having them look and play like blocky shit and not caring
>>10895020I like composite.
>>10895247composite is what the developers intended. If you play with any signal better than that you're not playing the games right.
But really, why do people bother with these same threads again and again?
>>10897859So why do the majority have an option for RGB scart and some s-video?
>>10895020Zoom Zoom
>>10895620>Pedophile rapist and self-loathing nigger enjoys Sega gamesMany such cases. Sad!
>>10897931Really loving your kidlogic.So why do the majority have an option for composite if they were meant to be played using RGB?
Most games were made for American and Japanese televisions which did not have RGB SHART as an option
>>10897859>what the developers intendedDid you ask them all?
The developers intended what was available to the consumers at the time
>>10898157No need, they already told us in interviews.
>>10898159It’s more like >The developers often made use of what was available to the consumers at the timeDon’t ascribe to intention what can more easily be explained by requirements and imitations
>>10898162All of them told us?People need to stop getting hung up on some objective ideal of pure gaming and focus on what they enjoy.
>>10898175>All of them told us?Yep
If you pick any 20 Genesis games at random, some from Japan, some from the US, some from Europe, you can see a wide variety of techniques when it comes to use of color and dithering. Some games clearly make use of composite blending and pseudo-transparency, others have sparkling clean arcade-style use of color that looks amazing over RGB, and some are kind of a mixture like Sonic 2.With SNES it’s even less clear-cut and in my opinion most of those games look best over RGB because that’s the best at preserving color fidelity. With PC Engine the colors come out a bit differently between composite and raw RGB so you can make the case that the developers mostly had composite in mind, but the games still mostly look great over RGB. With NES it’s all up to subjective interpretation so it’s not worth thinking too hard about it.
>>10898175Imagine what level of autism someone must have to have an ESL moment, sperg out like that, and then turn around and preach about other people getting hung up on things.They say mental illness is no laughing matter, but that's pretty damn funny.
>>10898623You’ve got a vivid imagination. Go outside.
>>10895020I wouldn't say it ruins my desire but it definitely makes my games look like shit. Composhit to be exact.
>>10898114not an argument
>>10895020I used composite inputs on all my consoles until I was around 25 years old without a care in the world. I had a new desktop PC that I bought in 2008 with HDMI ports on the tower and monitor and literally didn't even know what they were, still used VGA until around 2010. I even borrowed a PS3 off my friend to play Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, maybe circa 2009, and finished the game on a CRT TV which only had composite inputs too. Don't think I even bought a TV with HDMI ports until 2011 or so. Ignorance can be bliss.
>>10898773>my kidlogic is not an argumentBingo!
>>10895075Now it's telling it's good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0weL5XDpPsGrats.
>>10895020Used composite on my Genesis, because, for some reason, the other cable was faulty and made picture sperg out the moment any bright color was on screen.Playing Snow level on Jungle Strike with a jumping screen was really fun.
I think developers EXPECTED and assumed people would be using composite, but being expected is not the same as being intended.
I'm so tired of dumb zoomer faggots like you.In my day these were an UPGRADE.It's funny seeing these shitheels seething and sharting themselves over needing the "best" cables to play a game while at the same time putting the shitty CRTs they connect to up on a pedestal as the only "correct" way to play the game even though the way we actually played games was by not having all those shitty cables. You virgins truly are irredeemable trash.
>>10899709I find it super fucking funny, in the words of a friend of mine.>I find it funny how console users are on a quest to install as many random chips into their consoles to get the crispest sharpest signal to put on their expensive 5000 billion dollar sony crts meanwhile emulator users are on a quest to get the most accurate video signal degradation possible
>>10900134Idk why I greened a literal quote I must be fucking tired and stupid.
>>10895020I grew up using RCA cables, and I always loved everything about gaming.You are just a gay zoomer who must copy whatever his favourite gay youtuber says
>>10900137>gay 2xC-C-C-COMBO!
>>10900134Meanwhile I want composite on my 5 dollar 28" consumer set that has RGBOnly 6th gen and movies gets RGB use
>>10900156You kind of missed the point. As for your RGB setup, based and as it should be.
>>10900161No I get your friends point, reminds me of vinyl and audiophilesI’m just breaking the trend
>>10895576What a gorgeous workstation, everything is amazing. Even the devs have work pants shirt and wearing ties.
>>10895020>Americans thought this was acceptable video quality up until the mid 2000s
>>10900484Eurofat SHART users need not apply.Considering that literally just about nobody in actuality used s-video or were using television sets that only had RF well up until the 6th gen, yes, it was superior to the alternative often times. I don't know what's up with zoomer revisionism these days where apparently everyone was having the money to be using RGB setups on professional use PVM monitors back in the day, it's fucking stupid.
>>10895020PS2 blew my mind with composite cables at launch in 2000.
>>10900570Same actually, going from RF on the PS to Composite on the 2 was night and day
>>10900568In PAL land we had mod chips for our consoles which let us play NTSC games, however we needed to use RGB to get colour when playing it that way, but yes, most of us played with RF until late 4th to 5th gen
>>10900169>checkedOh ok, I misinterpreted what you meant apologies anon.
>>10900568s-video/RGB was pretty much redundant in PAL regions, because PAL composite actually looks good.
>>10895020>thread made by someone who didnt grow up with the systems.
>>10900136Internet history fact, greentexting was originally used on Usenet forums as a method of quoting, using it in that manner is not incorrect
>>10901475No it doesn't
>>10901506I thought it dated back even farther to Telnet and BBS. However I thought the convention always was>this quotingwas used to quote things that happened in the discussion/forum not outside of it. Huh.
>>10895020>feel this exact feeling>have barely played any of the consoles I recently got and modded>ordered scart cables and a switcher>first the dude was on vacation>then some part was out of stock>finally get shipped>customs aids faggots have been keeping my shit for more than a week nowI've been waiting and waiting and waiting and I'm gonna stay waiting. This is so fucking gay and annoying.
>>10901515That is true considering the closing angle bracket appears like an arrow pointing towards a referenced string, really it comes down to context as you'd look silly quoting a line from nobody relevant to the conversation. Personally I don't believe quotations inside the bracket is needed so long as the quote is at least tangentially relevant to what you wrote.>The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. - Mark Twain
>>10901545god /vr/-tan is so fucking badassYou raise a fair point anon, I guess it was fine the way I used it, just feels a bit off though. Whats your opinion on the mutation of it via imagebaords like this one and others?like the>be meformat
>>10901551>baordsI'm going to fucking kill myself
>>10901515Aren't a lot of Telnet/BBS linked up into USENET itself either directly or through UUCP or Fidonet?>In addition to UUCP, early Usenet traffic was also exchanged with Fidonet and other dial-up BBS networks. By the mid-1990s there were almost 40,000 FidoNet systems in operation, and it was possible to communicate with millions of users around the world, with only local telephone service. Widespread use of Usenet by the BBS community was facilitated by the introduction of UUCP feeds made possible by MS-DOS implementations of UUCP, such as UFGATE (UUCP to FidoNet Gateway), FSUUCP and UUPC. In 1986, RFC 977 provided the Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) specification for distribution of Usenet articles over TCP/IP as a more flexible alternative to informal Internet transfers of UUCP traffic. Since the Internet boom of the 1990s, almost all Usenet distribution is over NNTP.[49]So... whenever it appeared it probably did so relatively simultaneously on them all.But I think early BBS did top posting quotes like email initially then shifted more over time. Hell, emails also seemed to shift to inline quote prefixing/top posting hybrid and then get shifted even more towards editing for line attribution over time when needed for clarification and ease.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>10902264>Aren't a lot of Telnet/BBS linked up into USENET itself either directly or through UUCP or Fidonet?Yes but Telnet predates usenet by a decade.
>>10902289That's not really the point there.
>>10902264Did you like/care for email? Or did you just get into it because everyone else around you was?
SCART SUPERIORCOMPOSHIT INFERIOR
>>10901551>something which happens>again but differentMutation is the cultural persistence of ideas.
>>10895020been gaming on it for 30 years and I don't give a shit. Kids dicking on about RGB SCART shit can fuck right off because they never used RF. Grow up with that and then tell me composite is bad. Stupid fucks. No time for youtards either, they're not worth listening to for shit.
>>10895316could you play games with text on them? I recall stuff like mass effect being shit on SD, couldn't read shit
>>10902508Based sophisticated take I like it!
>>10902358What the fuck are you talking about? Are you okay? Who the fuck hates emails? Who the fuck LOVES emails? Emails are fucking emails. Alright lemme try this...Did you like/care for human speech? Or did you just get into it because everyone else around you was?
>>10902669Anyone with any decent understanding of computer security around the 80s and early 90s was hesitant to email.
>>10895020I always wonder why Konami made first level in Castlevania 3 pink. Now i know they didn't. Fuck RGB all my homies play through rf/composite/s-video.
>>10902672Not really. Maybe hesitant to send secure information via email - which was insecure. But not afraid to email. Because people who were security conscious - weren't complete morons. It has a use. Kind of like talking - context matters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTX5SR83rpAAlso... what the fuck does that have to do with literally anything in this discussion?
>>10902682It's called natural discussion, on a fucking discussion website you inbred grandma raper.
>>10902684Except... it's kind of unnatural. It's sort of off topic, it's out of the blue, it's nonsensical anyway... Have you ever sent money in the mail? See how I said something only even tangentially related to the terms mail and security about shit no ones discussing and it's kind of stupid? Yeah. Like that.And shut up kid, your grandma was askin for it. You wouldn't even be here if it weren't for that.
>>10902698My grandmother is dead, also I thought it was vaguely related to the topic about internet history and worth discussing.
I was surprised that even autistic retardfags could have a lengthy discussion about RCA cables, and I see you are discussing about raping grandmas.Please go on.
>>10895020I used composite for everything when younger because that's what came with the system, you kinda just assume that that's how everything is SUPPOSED to look.
You really can't tell the difference when you're sitting on the couch on the other side of the room, you guys know you're not supposed to be really close to the tv, right?
>>10903653>he didn't potentially damage his vision parking his butt like a foot from the family tv
>>10903662Yeah, when I was like 6. I was in high school when the PS2 came out and I didn't have a tv in my room so I couldn't play from my bed, I wanted to relax so I sat on the couch or loveseat.
I know the Saturn in Europe came with an RGB scart cable any other PAL consoles that came with RGB as standard?
>>10901495I did.Composie is kind of shit.
>>10895129As a Eurofag SCART is genuinely ideal for 4th through to 6th gen (most of what I play desu) plus the Wii, and it plays nicely with source switchboxes for very little extra. Unfortunately if you get the dyslexic kid to google the cost of replacements he will type in "SCAT" and get suspended, ironic as I nearly shit my pants laughing
>>10905960Scart is good but you sound like a fucking middle schooler right now.
>>10895247>more prone to giving people migraines, Filtering the weak.
>>10895247>there's absolutely nothing good about compoSHITIt's the only way to play several consoles properly, including the PS1 for the dithering and the Genesis and Saturn for the mesh transparency effects
>>10907186Saturn came with an RGB scart cable in yurope
>>10907191And? PAL is literally the worst way to play almost every game
>>10907194Shipped with the highest quality cable because 99% of European CRTs support it unlike US TVs composhit isn't the "proper" way to play PAL has nothing to do with it
