Thy Flesh Consumed is kinda hard compared to the rest of the game. I've died more in E4 than the E1-3 combined.
Thankfully there’s no Petersen designed levels in Episode 4.
>>11105135Yeah, they made it a little harder, but most of E4 isn't nearly as hard as the first two levels.
>>11105142wdym? Petersen levels are great in both Doom and Quake. Maybe a little weird but I think hos abstractness is perfect for that era of level design
>>11105220>>11105135Isn't Perfect Hatred (e4m2) considered the hardest map to pistol start in all of Ultimate Doom?
>>11105550Hi Sandy, hope you're doing well. This is inaccurate.
>>11105142>he fell for the petersen bad meme
>>11105135Thy Flesh Consumed is kinda crap
>>11105604They’re not entirely awful, but goddamn are they hard to navigate, and the man should pay for creating The Chasm.
>>11105609All official Doom episodes other than E1 and Sigil 1-2 are bad. They look terrible. Doom 2 official maps with some exceptions are terrible too.
Never made past E2, am I rarted?
>>11106302poseur take
>>11106292Blame American McGee, that fag is responsible for everything bad at Id.
>>11106382Perhaps retro shooters aren't your thing, you played about as much as everyone who says they played doom does. It's normal but I would recommend you try quake to see if it's just doom or retro fps's in general you don't care for.
Where the hell do I find the ORIGINAL Doom 1 and 2 WADs? I’m finding literally everything else but those two
>>11106302Sigil 1 sucked. Heard the second one was worse and was disappointed to hear that.
>>11106516I just copied them from my steam install folder
>>11106516>Where the hell do I find the ORIGINAL Doom 1 and 2 WADs? I’m finding literally everything else but those twoI could be imagining it, but I can swear this website has been around for almost 20 years. https://doom4ever.free.fr/download_wads.htm
>>11106568oops. http not https
>>11106568Holy shit thank youI swear I was going retarded, it kept giving me Final Doom
>>11106516I actually kinda prefer Freedoom these days over the originals. They have come a LONG ways over the years. https://freedoom.github.io/ It almost works as a free replacement for the Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal demakes.
>>11106292The Chasm is good.>>11106302Fag.>>11106468You're thinking of Tim Willits.
>>11105609It's one of the best episodes.E1E4E3E2If you disagree you're a poser.
>>11106806>Thy Shit Consumed>E4Meds. Episodes 1-3 and Doom 2 are the only canonical Doom games.
>>11106292Everyone who complains about the chasm has no spatial awareness.
>>11106836Eat shit and die faggot, TFC is kino which shits all over Episode 2, the unarguable WORST episode.
>>11106837A Doom level should never feel like a chore to play, which is what The Chasm is.
The hand shaped map sucked because it had too much backtracking. I don't remember who made that one, but it's the only map I truly disliked.
>>11106842Surprise, surprise, it’s another Sandy map.
>>11106842i played alien trilogy first so none of the doom maps seemed that bad to me.
>>11106292Downtown is worse imo
>>11106292The Chasm was the first experimental Doom map. It is to level design what The Waste Land was to poetry
>>11106516https://archive.org/details/2020_03_22_DOOM
>>11105550Not him, but while I don't think Sandy Petersen was as bad as many like to make him out to be, his Doom 1&2 maps were kinda inconsistent in quality, especially in Doom 2 where he was kinda forced into making half the maps himself, and couldnt rely on Tom Hall leftovers anymore (besides map10).I do love his Quake episode, though. Shows how much more consistent he can be when he doesn't have to make the majority of the game's levels.
>>11105135The difficulty of E4 is a little overstated, though I can understand where people are coming from.M1, M2, and M6 are difficult levels, with the transition to M2 from M1 being a rare case of continuous being harder than pistol starting, so that definitely gives off quite a first impression.But the rest of the episode isn't particularly challenging, IMO. M4 and M5 are pretty easy going levels, as an example.
>>11107057The strangeness and abstractness of his Quake maps feel like the culmination of the Lovecraftian theme of the game, like reality is breaking apart the castles and palaces into bizarre structures. There's a genuine terror in exploring those maps beyond the usual gory and gloomy imagery of the rest of Quake. Sandy knew his Lovecraft well so it makes sense
>>11106806>>11106838People who hate E2 have no taste.>>11106837This is true.>>11106841It doesn't, just don't fucking fall.
>>11107057I think a big factor is that he simply had to make way more maps than everyone else. Of the original Doom and Doom 2 maps, Sandy made half of them, more than half if you exclude Thy Flesh Consumed.He gets stretched thin, and it's most notable in Doom 2, where a few of his levels fall below his own average, though I still think he contributed a bunch of the best levels in both games, even if he also made some of the weakest ones too.Many of his best maps in E2 are based on unfinished drafts left by Tom Hall, but his very first level was also E2M6, which is pretty good. No doubt it took that shape over some time, and not immediately, but John Romero was impressed by how quickly Sandy took to the software and the design philosophy, consider that during 1993, nobody had ever made a game like this before, the closest was Wolf3D and Sandy didn't work on that one, he just played it some. They were all shaping conventions as they went.
