>Load up old NES RPG I've never played>Don't look up any walkthroughs>Don't look up mechanics like "What does spell X do" but instead use trial and error to figure it out>Same with exploration>Experiment with every piece of new gear, item, spell etc that comes my way>Only supplementary material I allow myself to use is the official manual>Don't use savestates, only use dedicated save spots like the world mapI now pay attention to my inventory management and spell uses, I treat dungeons as genuine gauntlets since any encounter can kill me if I'm not careful which means I'll lose any EXP, exploration is now fun and rewarding since I don't know whats waiting around the corner, my team comp and strategy is constantly adapting, and I never have any idea what comes nextAmazing how the industry convinced itself simple fun in this genre needed to be eroded by QoL and streamlining the experience. Its simple, but there's a genuine tension and sense of adventure to these games if you simply decide to go in with no prior knowledge and stick to them without cheating your experience
>>11108715Congrats, you now know what life before the internet was like newfag.
>>11108715Everyone already does this. If you don't believe me try "spoiling" a hidden mechanic for one of your normie friends.
>>11108715good for youyou should try to play crpg and draw your own map
>>11108715i couldve had the exact same amount of fun using save states while saving 10-20 hours of my life
>>11108786>saving 10-20 hours of my lifesee... this way of thinking is the problem sometimes
>>11108715>Don't look up mechanics like "What does spell X do" but instead use trial and error to figure it out>Experiment with every piece of new gear, item, spell etc that comes my wayHave fun with the games that had broken and bugged spells and equipment stats like Breath of Fire 2.
>>11108786>saving 10-20 hoursBro it's not a speed run, that's an extra 10-20 hours of enjoyment you'll never experience
>>11108795Beating a game as fast as possible shouldn't be the goal. But there's nothing wrong with trimming the fat.
>>11108715>Don't look up mechanics like "What does spell X do" but instead use trial and error to figure it outYou didn't beat the game, you're supposed to read up on that in the manual.
>>11108835uhm anon you can spend that time on a second game and double your enjoyment. repeating a dungeon the exact same way a second time because you died to the boss doesnt make any game more fun for me.
>>11109043Failing shouldn't be fun necessarily. For some reason you still feel like you need to consume games as quickly as possible. Stop worrying about getting to "the next game."
>>11108715that's how most people do it, but mostly because they're incapable of taking the initiative to look up anythingalso, they overgrind and brute force everything instead of learning the mechanics. JRPGs are generally lacking in gates that prevent this
>>11108715Yeah, jRPG gameplay peaked on Famicom and went downhill from there
My Famicom/NES RPG power ranking list>God TierDQ2FF2Earthbound BeginningsDigital Devil Monogatari - Megami Tensei II>High TierFF1DQ3DQ4Might & Magic - Secret of the Inner SanctumMetal MaxLagrange PointThe Bard's Tales https://w.atwiki.jp/famicomall/pages/428.html>Good+ TierDigital Devil Monogatari - Megami TenseiDoraemon - Giga Zombie no Gyakushuu (Doraemon - The Revenge of Giga Zombie)Dragon QuestDream Master (Adventure/RPG)Final Fantasy IIIHeracles no Eiko II: Titan no MetsuboJubei QuestJust Breed (RPG/Tactics)Kaijuu Monogatari (Shell Monsters Story)Moryo Senki Madara (Konami)Ninjara Hoi!SD Gundam Story Knight Gundam LegendSD Keiji - BladerShadow BrainShinsenden - The Legend of ImmortalsSweet Home (Adventure/RPG)The Magic Candle Wizardry - Knight of Diamonds - The Second ScenarioWizardry - Proving Grounds of the Mad OverlordWizardry - Legacy of Llylgamyn>Good TierBikkuriman World - Gekitou Sei SenshiCleopatra no Mahou (Adventure/RPG)Dragon Ball 3 - Gokuu DenDragon Ball 2 (RPG/Adventure/Card)Deep Dungeon 3 and 4Ganbare Goemon Gaiden 2 - Tenka no ZaihouGhost LionIndora no HikariJajamaru Ninpou Chou (Ninja Jajamaru The Ninja Scrolls)Kawa no Nushi Tsuri (Legend of the River King) (RPG/Fishing)Maharaja (Adventure/RPG)Musashi No BoukenSilva SagaSTED: Iseki Wakusei no YabouTenchi Wo Kurau 2 - Shokatsu Koumei Den (Destiny of An Emperor 2)>Okay TierChaos WorldDark Lord (bad end)Deep Dungeon 1 & 2Doublemoon DensetsuDungeon Kid http://setsumei.html.xdomain.jp/famicom/dungeonkid/dungeonkid.htmlGanbare Goemon Gaiden - Kieta Ougon KiseruGegege no Kitaro 2 - Youkai Gundan no ChousenLast ArmageddonMomotarou Densetsu (The Legend of Peach Boy)Otaku no Seiza - An Adventure in the Otaku GalaxyNiji no Silkroad (Rainbow Silkroad)Sugoro Quest - Dice no Senshitachi (The 100 World Story - The Tales on a Watery Wilderness) (NES/Board)
>Bad TierHokuto no Ken 3 - Shin Seiki Souzou Seiken Restuden Bloody Warriors Shan-Go no GyakushuuDestiny of An EmperorLaSalle Ishii no Child's Quest>Shovelware TierAll the Dragon Ball Z games. DB2 and DBZ2 were the best ones. DB3 hasn't been translated so I haven't played itNakayoshi to IsshoUshio To Tora>Strategy/Tactics TierDai 2 Ji Super Robot Taisen (Super Robot Wars 2)Fire Emblem - Shadow Dragon and the Blade of LightFire Emblem - GaidenJust BreedLittle Magic>Haven't played/beaten yet:Advanced Dungeon & Dragon: Pool of RadianceDragon Wars (bard tales series, number4; has automap) https://w.atwiki.jp/famicomall/pages/1207.htmlSword & SerpentsSuper Black Onyxmiracle warriorsBody Conquest Girls Exposed (unl)Captain Tsubasa games (do these count?)Columbus: Ougon no YoakeHeracles no Eiko (1)Hoshi wo Miru HitoFushigi no Umi no Nadia (again not sure this counts)Kagerou Densetsu (Zelda 2 like)Mira Senshi (strategy rpg)Sansaara Naga (gave up on) https://w.atwiki.jp/famicomall/pages/929.htmlShin Satomi Hakkenden (translation needed)SWAT: Special Weapons and TacticsTao The WayTombs & TreasureUltima gamesLittle Magic (strategy rpg action)Kagerou Densetsu/The Legend of Kagerou (A-RPG Zelda 2 like)Mahjong TaisenVenus Senki (strategy rpg)Elysion (A-RPG?)Sanada Juu Yuushi (faux RPG)ginga no sannin
>Translation needed:Akuma-kun: Makai no WanaBard Tales 2 https://w.atwiki.jp/famicomall/pages/1308.htmlDragon Ball 3Famicom Jump 2SD Gundam Story Knight Gundam Legend 2 & 3Ultraman Club 2 & 3Famicom Jump 2Akuma-kun: Makai no WanaShin Satomi HakkendenSatomi HakkendenMonster MakerSquare no Tom SawyerHanjuku HeroHokuto no Ken 4? Momotaru Densetsu Gaiden (https://w.atwiki.jp/famicomall/pages/390.html)Rokudenashi Blues/Punk Blues (Bandai)Hyakki Yagyou/Night March of a Hundred DemonsMelville no Honoo (strategy rpg)Kitte ni Shirokuma (adventure RPG) Meimon! Takonishi Ouendan/Top School! Takonishi Cheer Squad (strategy rpg)Genpei Touma Den/The Genji and the Heike Clans (board RPG)>A-RPG: Aspic https://www.romhacking.net/translations/6861/BodyConquestDragon SCrollDruid: Kyoufu no TobiraDungeon Magic - Sword of the Elements (RPG, Natsume)FaxanaduKalin no Tsurugi Kouryuu Densetsu Villgust Gaiden (https://w.atwiki.jp/famicomall/pages/899.html)Mashen Heroes Gaiden Mashin Eiyuuden - Wataru GaidenMinelvaton Saga: Ragon no FukkatsuOutlandersSylviana: Ai Ippai no Boukensha (a-rpg FDS, only translated on MSX)Karakui Kengoden Musashi Lord: Karakuri Jin Hashiru! (The Samurai Lord Musashi - Gimmicks on the Run!) (A RPG)The Burning Wild ManYsZoidsZombie Hunter
oh actually I haven't kept the list updated since I did beat Little Magic and Dragon Ball 3 but whatever
>>11109043Zoom zoom. Attention span of a gnat.
>>11108715I’m currently playing Link’s Awakening like this. In the past I have been impatient and resorted to looking things up online, because that’s what I do at work, but you get more satisfaction through solving problems on your own.
>>11109043Save states feel wrong to me because games are often like real life, and there are no save states in life. You can’t just rewind the last 10 seconds of life. That would be too easy, you wouldn’t learn from your mistakes.
>>11110219You also don't die if you fail your test at school and get sent back to the womb. So lets not use that argument.
>>11110445You have to take the whole test again and may have to wait months or a whole year to do that. If you finish the test and realise you made a mistake, you can't go back and fix it.
>>11108715How do you afford so much free <<<time>>>? Are you [[[underage]]]?
>>11110487You also spend a whole year preparing for the test and aren't expected to answer any questions you weren't prepared for. There won't be any trick questions or spikes in difficulty where if you get that one question wrong you fail everything.So all in all, a moot point. Games aren't real life. So basing your decisions on how you will play games on what real life is makes no sense.
>>11110523>ReplyDepends on what type of test it is. Your argument smells like a stawman. Save states are basically cheating and you have no right to say you beat a game if you used them.
>>11108715Great job. Only way I would improve this is to find the PDF of the manual and read them before playing.
>>11110556I don't really care about the bullshit argument on save states. Do what you want, who gives a fuck? I'm just saying that if you base this decision on real life, that's really dumb.
>>11109884My favorite is Earthbound Beginnings, what would you rec ?
>>11110735Well it's a clone of Dragon Quest 2 so there is DQ2-3-4 of course, if you like the freedom and exploration Metal Max. Other decent DQ clones include Glory of Heracles 2, Ninjara Hoi and Jubei Quest but don't go expecting the level of mastery of Mother
>>11110748Thanks. Metal Max looks interesting. Not really interested in typical DQ clones though, was looking more for unique settings like Mother.
>>11110571Yeah man. Everyone should just do what they feel like man.
>>11109884Why do you like DQ2 over DQ3?
>>11110795When it comes to playing games? Yeah they should you fucking retard.
>>11108715There were often some explanations in the manual for RPGs and similarly complex games. But I agree. I actually enjoy playing simulation games (train, boat, flight (up to a point), forklift, tractor, submarine etc) as though they're Myst-like puzzle adventure games. Figuring out how everything works on your own can be really fun.
>>11108786 #I agree. Not every game needs to feel redundant and mastered until it's run into the ground. If you like rpgs or shoot em ups and wish to play through them over and over until you've found every secret and mastered the levels, then by all means. Have fun. I just enjoyed the initial challenge, the newness of the games, flying by the seat of my pants, making it through and finally beating them. Even as a kid I wanted to try new games as much as I could, whether I was borrowing or renting. The excitement came from the experimentation of a new game and ultimately surviving with my wits. Some games have been done better by their earlier counterparts, and some by later versions in the genre. However, some don't deserve to be struggled through if they're not fun to you. At that point I'll either play another game or just run through it and be fine. Using tools like save states and the like are to get back to enjoying the game, not impressing a bunch of retarded strangers on the net.
>>11108715congratulations anon, you've discovered the joy of actual retro gaming.>Amazing how the industry convinced itself simple fun in this genre needed to be eroded by QoL and streamlining the experienceMore like it convinced itself you need to beat games quicker so you can go consume the next one sooner
>>11110901No the consumer decided that because most people into games have hundreds of games and they don't want to spend all of their time on one of them.If anything the industry wants you to spend all of your time on one free game and buy all of the cosmetic microtransactions they pump out. That's why you have things like daily challenges and daily streaks, its to induce FOMO and get people to play the game every day. Some publishers like EA and Activision even want you to buy the game and a battle pass too.
>>11111081>most people into games have hundreds of gamesomfg a zoomie larper in /vr/ shoo shoo back to /v/!!
>>11108715Games used to come with a manual.Zelda 1 borderline unbeatable without it.
>>11108795Nah. Life is finite and only stupid autists think having to adhere to the game's save points or restarting from scratch is somehow a more "authentic" and better experience.
>>11110219>there are no save states in lifeBrotha said something there.
Is the CRPG Addict blog still around? Spent way too much time reading that.
>>11112056Is Jimmy still acting like a fag these days? I miss when he was just a chill funny freak guy
>>11111963>Zelda 1 borderline unbeatable without itNot according to this board
>>11110523>aren't expected to answer any questions you weren't prepared for. There won't be any trick questions or spikes in difficulty where if you get that one question wrong you fail everything.I think that's what zoomies call artificial difficulty
>>11108817soul
>>11111947Okay I'll make an exception for third worlders.
>>11109881I love that I see the metal max series get mentioned more often these days. Love that series and have played all the available games I can including the spinoff dogs game they made.
>Its a "NPCs are roaming about and manage to constantly move in front of you/the exit/shop you are trying to enter" episode>When you try to move arond them it times perfectly with them moving in the same directionNASIIIIIIIIIR
