Anyone using his shaders? I played a bit on random pal shader and don't wanna back to clean rgb because colors too bright and look wrong.
Actually just started using these ones, and honestly, I like em, but I'm a brainlet who can't be bothered fucking around with settings any more. I honestly just gave up on all the others because of the weird banding (I think? odd groupings of scanlines etc.) I kept getting on my TV. I just wanna have a nice shader that looks similar to the TV's i grew up with and play games, not piddle about with settings.
Using shaders made by youtubers is extremely cringe.
why the fuck would you want to emulate RF, even back in the day of actually playing with RF no one wanted to use it if there were better options
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>>11315187Yeah I don't get this either. Why wouldn't you base your shaders off the best consumer tvs of the era with the best type of connection signal? Intentionally emulating a shitty tv and/or connection is incomprehensible to me. The RF Genesis video does look similar to the picture quality I remember on a shitbox color tv from the 1970s with the frame made of wood but not to the 34inch Trinitron I played most of the stuff on as a kid.
>>11315770>why the fuck would you want to emulate RFBecause the games were made with RF/Composite in mindTons of console games used dithering>>11316693He made RGB and S-Video shaders too
>>11316970>RF/CompositeDon't pair those together like they're the same thing. Composite is LEAGUES ahead in quality from RF.
>>11316970Those connections also blurred the shit out of the picture and introduced unpleasant artifacts, RF especially. So unless you dig those artifacts specifically, there's better ways to blend dithering nowadays. Check out, for example, sonkun's composite presets. They blend dithering while remaining relatively sharp and artifact-free, unless you want the artifacts, in which case there's a preset for that.
>>11315187I tried it. It's just a collection of parameter settings for Guest-Advanced, no?I tried a couple of presets and found the image to be overly busy. Gilding the lily. It might be accurate from a technical perspective, but it doesn't work from a practical perspective. It still looks like a shader. Meanwhile, the (at this point quite old) CRT-Royale shader still looks the best to me. It gets out of the way and feels more natural. It doesn't look *exactly* like a real CRT but it hits all the right notes to make the games look like they "ought to" look.
>>11317040That's what all presets are these days. They just take either one of Guest's shaders or Royale, tweak the parameters, sometimes add a border and, more rarely, another shader for some other purpose (such as to blend dithering or for LOOKIN' GOOD smoothing). Not to say some of them don't look good, but they're not exactly doing something grand. They just know how to tweak and combine existing shaders effectively.
>>11315187>compositeYeah I totally want my games to look like dogshit just so a single effect in couple of levels in a couple of games works properly.
RF larp is super cringe. Just aim for the composite look and you'll achieve blending without making it look like a turd for le vaporwave reasons
>>11316693it reminds them of the good old days. also, some shaders are too different from what crts look like, so you might as well get something more authentic looking.
>>11317074It’s not a single effectMost 2D graphics were used with blending pixels in mindOP also didn’t tell you how to enjoy your game so why shit on it?
>>11317095>Most 2D graphics were used with blending pixels in mindonly in consoles with limited color palette. NES and Genesis? ok, but that's about it
>>11317001zoomer detected. RF is identical to composite with no background interference. the rf output on some consoles is cleaner than composite too
>>11317090that bottom pic looks like RF tho
>>11317103No anon, most 2DAlong with dithering, pixel blending was a trick used in many games, you can see it when looking around backgrounds with randomly placed pixelsIt was intentional, no one’s forcing you to do that though
>>11317105We had our NES and SNES connected through RF at first and then switched to composite, the difference in clarity was night and day. I'm not saying composite is great, but it's noticeably better than RF.
>>11317120I wonder how do you explain arcade games, anon
>>11317138Easily, arcade games had varying degrees of screen quality Games were made to look good on cabinet they used
>>11317193>EasilyAnd what about generic cabinets? Your logic is flawed because you know nothing and hope to convince others who know nothing.
>>11317248I’m not trying to convince anyone to do anythingYou’re the one that came in kicking and screaming If you don’t think feathering and blending is a basic tool used by artists then you are delusional
>>11317383Only for consoles with dogshit image output again, which were the minority. Wasn't a thing in 90% of arcades (which used RGB), PCE games, SNES games, 5th gen 2D titles, NeoGeo, etc
>>11317095>Most 2D graphics were used with blending pixels in mindNot really, most stuff looks better on anything but composite. Transparency is really the only thing that you need composite for. Most devs clearly didn't pay special attention to make sure that everything looks just right with composite and rather left it as is so long as it's good enough.
>>11316970DOS games used dithering. Dithering was fucking everywhere on RGB home computers. Exercise some critical thinking and use your head instead of parroting trends.
>>11317992>Not really, most stuff looks better on anything but compositeNot what I said
>>11318005Sometimes consoles took advantage of it for blending effects, genius. PC games used it more for working around low color depths though.
>>11315187For me? It's crt-consumer.glslp.
>>11315187There are color-specific shaders, so you can adjust the colors even without using a crt shader.
>>11316970>waterfall looks good, every other aspect of the game looks like blurry color bleeding shitvs>waterfall looks like shit, 99.9% of the rest of the graphics look goodhmmm, tough choice
Rf does suck but it's how I spent the first like 10+ years of my life gaming. There was nothing more comfy than sitting in my basement late at night on the weekend playing star fox or madden 93 on our shitty TV hooked up via Rf. Games never looked better
>>11320007Thankfully you don't have to choose anymore thanks to modern shaders. You can get the best of both.
How's this?
>>11320463For comparison.
>>11315187i prefer my settings
>>11316583nigga this is filter not shader
>>11316970>>11317013>>11319881>>11320743Thx Jesus i was born in a PAL region, so i shouldn't lose my eyes to your horrible dots and scanlines.
>>11316693Because RF was the best looking way to play games. You weren't supposed to be able to differentiate each individual pixel. RGB looks like shit no matter what tv you put it on
>>11317090RF and composite are visually indistinguishable. You get better audio with composite tough. Maybe youre thinking of component?
>>11320463Are you going for a faint scanlines look? it's similar to one of my presets
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>>11320804You still can't differentiate between them on good crts, the blending effect is still there. They just look clearer rather than vaseline smudged like RF on a shit tv.
>>11320804>RF was the best looking way to play gamesNo, composite was. It still has the blending effect but the image quality is substantially better.
It's reasonably sharp, it blends. https://pastebin.com/xF0yewSW
>>11320743This looks superb, what shader is this?
>>11322812CRT-Royale; ntsc fringing and artifacting, diffusion weight, bloom underestimate levels, mask type, and border darkness all set to 0; ntsc chroma scaling set to 2; simulated crt gamma set to 2.2; min sigma set to .1; triad size set to 6 (or 8 for 256px shit like (S)NES). hdr works great with it despite everything on the internet saying otherwise
>>11322812>>11324242sorry, forgot i first used ntsc-adaptive before appending crt-royale to it
RF is for Atari
>>11317105>no background interferenceSays the guy who never used a RF connection back in the day.This >>11317125
>>11317013IncorrectThat's because of the shit video encoder which was heavily exploited by devs32x had a better video encoder, probably some effects don't work on 32x but most of them should workAlso that shader you post on pic related is patheticMay as well play without a shader, faggot
>>11318005Yeah and so did Arcade gamesBut the dithering used in console games(and some computers) was Composite/RF based you fucking retard Even Super Mario World uses dithering for the water which only works on Composite/RF
>>11320007>99.9% of the rest of the graphics look goodThey don't thoughIt looks like jagged fucking shit even on normal consumer TrinitronsPlus depending on the console like Genesis or PSX you're getting terrible unresolved dithering and missing shit-ton of shades/colorsRGB is only good for arcade games(and Arcade ports like on the playstation and saturn ofc) and later consoles like the Dreamcast and onwards
>>11320128No, you still have to choose.It's just that now you can choose with a few button presses.
>>11317992>Most devs clearly didn't pay special attention to make sure that everything looks just right with compositeFucking nonsenseEvery dev tested for composite/RF because that's what every consumer had at homeThey couldn't however test on every single TV set on the planet which had:>varied TVL count>varied phosphor pitch>varied beam spot sizeetc.There's an infamous game on DOS for this called Epic Pinball where the game only looks optimal at particular dot pitch because the dev who made the graphics went that fucking far
>>11315187As someone who grew up in the 70's and 80's and always hated CRTs with a firey passion, I find this quest to replicate it's shittiness on better modern screens surreal. I know the intent is that the blur somehow adds to things but I've never seen it that way. Just give me raw pixels in high def.
>>11321469looks pretty good anon, thanks for sharing
>>11325289>Every dev tested for composite/RF because that's what every consumer had at homeThere are multiple devs confirming this, but it will never satisfy the deniers.
>>11317393>Only for consoles with dogshit image outputWrong you fucking dumbassThe guys who made Metal Slug literally talked about a ''a half-dot technique''Mortal Kombat dev said he utilized color bleed too for the arcade versionThis is likely talking about the horizontal smear of the CRT tube itself since both games obviously used RGB>FilenameFucking hilarious you use PCE, a console which until recently only had proper colors in CompositeBottom line: Blocky aliased graphics are garbage and horizontal smearing from shitty quality CRTs or color bleed from the video signals are acceptable ways to reduce that garbage aliasing and make the games look smoother whether via custom shaders or going the autistic mod hardware route
Notice how the floor and Axel's pants in particular are less jagged on composite
>>11325351How do the spotlights look with RGB?
>>11325351notice how MD's output chips looks dogshit
>>11325358the soundchip sounded like dogshit too, it was a dogshit console all around but westoids liked it
>>11325351Notice how Axel's face becomes a total clusterfuck in composite
>>11325332ok i can understand wanting color blending for dithers but what made you so asshurt about jaggies? or is this an attempt to appear more intelligent after reading a few classic gamespot reviews
>>11325374you don't get it the developers designed axel's blue bandana intended to be dark orange on original hardware it was the way everyone played it, AXEL'S BANDANA IS NOT BLUE!!
Aahhh just like I remember it, the true developer intention
>>11325374it was the developer's intention to make his face look beat up to a pulp you see
>>11325409>compositecucks unironically think this looks good
>>11325289>Every dev tested for composite/RF because that's what every consumer had at homeI have no doubt that they tested their games on consumer hardware, I do have my (warranted) doubts that they paid special attention to or took advantage of how stuff looks on consumer hardware with the vast majority of assets in their games. Obviously waterfalls look way better with composite but does anything else? Not really, there's a few examples but they're the exception so I really wouldn't recommend composite shaders.
>>11315187>hisDon't know who "he" is, little more info needed if you want some feedback hereI mostly stick with newpixie+bezels though, and I like to crank my bloom and halation and afterglow way up though. i don't give half a flying fuck about "accuracy" (because all CRTs were different and most were shit), instead I enjoy just adapting the artistic impression of what it FELT like to me as a kid watching all those colors gleaming off the screen
>>11317074>like dogshit>>11317393>with dogshit>>11325358>looks dogshit>>11325370>dogshit too, it was a dogshitare you eating dogshit, mate?
>>11325790he has to have his dogshit anon
>>11325790Not my thing, I leave that for the Sega fans
I'm usimg composite on hd.
