It was perfect
For me its Lufia 2
It was a step-down from the NES.
>>11343229Not op, but while I mostly agree, it has plenty of "hidden gems" that aren't strictly Nintendo style. N64 is when they lost that.
I can't get enough of this thing desu, or at least its library which I always have fun emulating. Finding out that it had to carry Nintendo through the N64 era was wild, makes you think of the PS4 carrying Sony these days.
>>11343218Peak Nintendo
>>11343229>>11343245Genuinley curious, about this take. It seems quite common on here, but pretty rare in general. What is the reasoning behind it? I don't really have a horse in this race, as I like both systems, but I probably do prefer the SNES.
>>11343267It is a lazy troll post.But there is merit to preferring the NES if you like platformers. The NES has more and better of them. For example, 3 CV games on NES vs only 2 on SNES. 3(4?) Mario games on NES vs 1(2?) on SNES.
>>11343229I literally can't play NES games they feel ancient. Gaming started with the SNES, at least for me
>>11343229bait used to be believable
>>11343229i think (you) need to step down
>>11343336Lol
>>11343218Well now it's "more perfect", I've been enjoying the various fastrom, SA-1 and various optimization patches for games, UN Squadron, Magic Sword, Final Fight 2 and 3, Super Ghouls and Ghosts, Contra III, Super R-Type, there are dozens. To think it had the CPU to run most of these games fine but they cheaped out on the cartridge chips...
Going through the Snes romset and up to L. Playing Legend. I was surprised when I heard this familiar tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bU38cyHgpk&list=PLE81D661E40F4E109&index=3
>>11343229megaman and kunio games were a step downeverything else was an upgrade
>>11343229SNES has Wild Guns, so no it isn't.
>>11343267NES simplicity leads to better action games because the action is tighter, the controls and input response more direct, and the action faster. SNES action games are usually slower, have smaller effective FOV due to the biggger sprites (despite resolution being identical or technically even lower than on NES) have long response time due to more complicated animations and/or input lag (just compare TMNT2/3 to 4)As for RPGs they were on average more challenging on Famicom than on SFCAs for everything else, the Famicom was a breeding ground for experimentation, while the next generation was a more stagnating point... games were like "Okay so now we're bringing to you this thing that was successful on NES but with easier gameplay, bigger sprites!! BUT WAIT, you might even get some KU-RAZY MODE 7 ACTION for the same price!"
>>11344046Most of what you're saying is witless conjecture, NES didn't have any game like Wild Guns, Yoshi's Island, Donkey Kong Country, Metal Marines, True Lies, Mario Kart, Street Fighter 2, or Chrono Trigger.Super Metroid is a conclusive improvement over the first game in every single sense, RPGs on NES are offensively fucking dry and mindless.I love the NES, but the SNES enabled shitloads of things which were either new, or were just not done particularly well on NES because of its limitations.
>>11343267It's the popular opinion.The NES outsold the SNES, stayed popular a lot longer, and left a much bigger legacy.
>>11343264formulate real opinions instead of reading top 10 lists zoomer faggot
>>11344082>never enjoy popular games, be a perfomative hipster faggot like me insteadWhat hidden gem do you prescribe? Captain Novolin?
>>11344060> NES didn't have any game like Wild Guns, Yoshi's Island, Donkey Kong Country, Metal Marines, True Lies, Mario Kart, Street Fighter 2, or Chrono Trigger.Huh, yeah it did. Even in the case of Street Fighter 2, people tend to believe it just came out of nowhere but that is not true at all. The Famicom was a breeding ground for fighting games and a platform where it took shape. Mario Kart is a mix of battle racers like RC Pro Am and behind the view racers like Rad Racer. Wild Guns is literally Cabal, which was on NES. True Lies is a licensed top down action shooter just like Die Hard. As for Metal Marines there is a plethora of strategy games like that on NES and FC too.>RPGs on NES are offensively fucking dry and mindless.If there is any between the two that's "mindless" it would be the SNES ones since on average the difficulty got toned down
>>11343229The nes has more wacky experimental games for sure, but the snes is way more refined when it comes to the games it does have. Basically every Nintendo franchise is better on the snes barring Mario and the same applies to most third parties.
>>11344419>Basically every Nintendo franchise is better on the snes barring Marioand Zeldaand Kirbyand Punch-Out
>>11343218US design actually looks decent in TempleOS browser
>>11343225Just started playing this today. It looks much better than I remembered.
>>11344450absolute soul
>>11343218Not really. If it was, then why are some ports of the same games(Robocop Vs Terminator, Mortal Kombat 1) better on a Genesis than a SNES? Why does all the Sonic games have better graphics and music than Super Mario World? Why is all Streets Of Rage games better than all three Final Fight games? SNES should have been able to outperform the Genesis, but it doesn't even have blast processing.
SNES wasn't even the best 16-bit console. Mega Drive, PC Engine, Neo Geo all mogs it.
>>11343478is there an archive or torrent containing all the various fastroms/mods out there that fix the performance for games?
>>11346480Type [SNES FastROM Patched Games] into CDRomance search for a relatively recent collection or just search [fastrom] if you want to see the games individually and check if there is newer stuff. Searching [Sa-1] will get you the SA-1 hacks. Final Fight 3 Optimized 1.1 is the name of the patch that fixes Final Fight 3, you'll have to patch it yourself, it is on Romhacking.net.
Enjoy some warm fuzzies of a man introducing his daughter to his childhood Super Famicon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhSM8nOrkSMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dbCMPQJwcohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOaI5GOCS4I
>>11343229So true
>>11345217How exactly?
>>11345217>PC Engine>16-bithe is a 8-bit bee
>>11346761Better games libraries than SNES, both having more quantities of good games, and higher qualities of games, than SNES.>>11346964>PC Engine: 8-bit data bus 7.16 mhz>SNES: 8-bit data bus 2.68 mhzThey're both technically 8-bit. PC Engine is nearly three times faster.Also quite funny how even the Atari 2600 thread has more interest than this typically low-T SNES thread. Nobody actually likes this mediocre console.
>>11347336>Better games libraries than SNES, both having more quantities of good games, and higher qualities of games, than SNES.I can't take that seriously because you have an obvious bias against the SNES. Please backup your points with examples.
>>11347336The snes cpu has 16bit registers. This makes a massive difference. Of course this makes 16 bit math twice as fast, but also handling data is much more efficient due to the 16bit index registers. Pointers are horrifically slow and awkward on the 8bit 6502.
>>11347336It seems like it's because the thread comes off as a console war one. Super fans have a lot of ground to build up they seem to be trying to skip by going for the ootfag strategy. There's some mindshare realities they made their public image they need to overcome by reshaping how the console is perceived.
It really was a great console, and even more so if you take into account the wealth of games the japanese kept to themselves. Pic related, what a fantastic game
>>11347457Making everyone share the exact same skill pool was fucking retarded. The name system isn't interesting enough to make up for this.
>>11344442SNES has Kirby Superstar, you must consume a pinecone anally.
>>11344442Super Punch Out is better P meter >>>>>> star system I do not care about Mike Tyson
>>11347425>There's some mindshare realities they made their public image they need to overcome by reshaping how the console is perceived.The issue is, the underlying console's lack of substance means it can only be propped up with these disingenuous tactics. Just look at any attempt of SNES fans post these huge lists to attempt to make it seem like they have a "great library". You will always see the same problems. For example, https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11321187/The top of the list is always the same trite Nintendo IP's you always see, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and so on. These are the only games anyone really cares for on SNES. And even with these, they are padded out to a funny degree, listing the individual games in Mario All-Stars, including the third Donkey Kong which even fans of Donkey Kong confess is not good, listing all 3 Mega Man X games when any fans of the series will tell you X2 and X3 are not good, and so on. Going only a small way down the list, you will eventually find shit picks that nobody actually enjoys playing, used solely for filling up a list, Contra 3, Super Ghouls, Star Wars, Batman, and so on. Nobody is playing these. This only happens with the SNES, when people list Mega Drive games, you will often see completely disparate picks in different lists, and very few low-quality picks. Same with PC Engine. Neo Geo tends to have many of the same picks, but it also has a substantially smaller library, so it is excused.The reality of the SNES is just that there is nothing worth defending for it. It was poor hardware which directly resulted in an underwhelming library next to it's competitors. It gets a pass because it's a Nintendo console, so the usual batch of zealous fanatics are eager to defend it, the same ones who defend the N64 and GameCube on the same basis.
>>11347484Nobody is reading all of that, Auster.
>>11347484>disingenuous tacticsremember people, when you choose to talk about consoles you like on this website the people you argue against believe they are fighting in a righteous war against nintendo and consider nintendo fans to be evil soldiers.
>>11343218"perfect" would've been SA-1 inside the console from day 0, it was close to perfection if anything for the wave of really inspired videogames found in the machine. >>11343245>>11343267not op either but in some ways it was a step-down from the NES, not every game made full use of the SPC or cart coprocessors for special effects leaving very plain 16bit games which were nothing new at the time really, while lotsa NES games had very catchy music and awesome gameplay. I'd say both are needed, coupled with a few series that saw sequels on the GB/GBC, for the complete Nintendo experience, which as the other anon says, is something that was lost starting with the N64.
>>11347484>Same with PC Engineeveryone and their mother shouts "rondo and devil crush" you're being disingenuous
>>11343294This is the worst board on any chan that ever existed. A shit retarded post. You have the imagination of a rottweiler
>>11344450Anti-soul The entire purpose of TempleOS is that it was a non-networked closed system that allowed you to speak directly to god. Terry would be disappointed.
>>11344060>Super Metroid is a conclusive improvement over the first game in every single senseMetroid 1 is better than SM
>>11347484Strongly disagree about Super Ghouls'n Ghosts being a filler game. It might not be that popular anymore, because this kind of hard arcade games fell out of fashion, but it's still a great game and was very succesful back then. SNES limitations resulted in the game having some slowdowns, but it was still so fun and well designed, and had such a good presentation and soundtrack, that it still managed to be a fantastic game.
>>11347484>the soldier who kept fighting after the war ended
>>11344063In /vr/? Sure, I see this opinion often, but in most circles it seems to be a consensus that the SNES was the better console, to many the best of all time even, though I wouldn't go that far too.
>>11349829I love the SNES but the bet console of all time is objectively the PS2.
>>11347484I think there is substance but I've seen the loudest voices reject it. It's strange to me that genuinely great games like Umihara Kawase (appeals to hardcore platform types, arcade score/time attack types, fans of chill games, fans of kawaii girl games, physics fag fans, speed run fags, etc.) get rejected and called shit by people who will call Donkey Kong Country and the the Super Nintendo the best things of all time. It's like that scene from Billy Madison. Whereas I can casually talk to a Thunder Force fan who prefers 4 while I prefer 3 and we can share what we like about both even if we walk away without changing our minds, we'll speak clearly about the ups and downs of both for anyone else to read.I think there's plenty of fun to be had on Super Nintendo. I was playing Kendo Rage a few days ago and thought it was a good little game. Not a masterpiece, but something I'd enjoy along with Shockman on Turbo. The chip on the shoulder approach falls apart, especially here where I think people are just tired of it. They can't muster any outrage over a bad genesis song or a passionate defense over perfect dark's framerate because how many times can someone be roused to recite the same talking points over and over again?The winning strategy for growing the consoles reputation and reception would be to focus on talking about interesting games and understand what makes them fun or different. I've seen it happen with Act Raiser but not much else.
>>11343218>It was perfectAlmost but not quiteThe controller was half a generation ahead. Not having 6 face buttons seriously hurt it in the arcade port and fighting game department
>check what happened on the SNES thread during the weekend>auster's eternal seethe about the Super Nintendo existing and people liking itClassic
>>11343229Overall I have to agree. Nes was more creative and originalOnly thing snes improved on was Mario and they only released 1 of it anyway. Nes kicks its ass overall
>>11344082Lol they're not able toZoomers are too afraid to have an original thought or think outside the mainstream opinion
>>11350441Mario was the one thing it didn't improve on. SMB3 mogs the fuck out of SMW.
How is star ocean on snes? It's like the only snes rpg I haven't played because it was Japan only?
>>11350508its good play it
the cpu's and ppu's in your snes have shit themselves and died. your snes has permanent damage from poor voltage regulation. we'll be lucky if any working snes's still exist in 3 years.
>>11350607you've been saying this for at least a decade, austerinb4 you post that one pic with the chips
I love SNES as it was the main console I grew up with, only having an NES for a couple years before it came out. But I recently went through the entire library via my emulator, including the SFC games, and I was disappointed at how few "hidden gems" there were compared to the NES. SNES has a bunch of godly games that have stood the test of time but pretty much every last one that is even remotely fun is already well known and everything that isn't well known is rightfully so. Whereas for the NES over the years I've found so many games that just seemed to fly under the radar yet are insanely fun (or at least really interesting). Even the genuinely bad NES games are somehow more interesting than the bad SNES games to me, like they are funnier or something. I wonder if this is simply because the SNES came out later thus was closer to the internet and more exposed, leaving the NES as this more mysterious console that lived and died way before the internet even began to be a common thing.
It's the King of video game consoles.If I had to make my personal top 3 it would be1. Super Nintendo2. Mega Drive3. NESThe Big Three of golden era home video games.
>>11350745My suspicion is that, similar to Atari, NES is iconic but filters people more than SNES and later consoles. But yeah I tend to agree, the NES/FC library is pretty extensive.
>>11343218probably 30 games worth playing, rest id rather play on genesis because its easy to get tired of snes aesthetics and anyway that gen has repetitive gamestyles (a lot of beat em ups and uninspired platformers)
>>11350765>probably 30 games worth playingCynically, this would be true for most consoles.But nah I think SNES/SFC probably has at least 100. "Uninspired" platformers are still more fun than video game-y than sandbox walk simulators, 8 and 16 bit eras are peak video games and it's never going to be surpassed. Indie devs really are trying, but nope.
>>11350513I will. Also, I was not expecting a response withing one minute on /vr/. Nice
>>11347336>Better games libraries than SNES, both having more quantities of good games, and higher qualities of games, than SNES.you don't.... actually believe this do you?
>>11350765>probably 30 games worth playingwow that's 30 more games than this generation
>>11350745A bad NES game can be bad for many reasons, such as experimentation gone wrong, where someone had an idea for something different but it just didn't work, or because a small company with people who didn't really know what they were doing jumped on the Famicom bandwagon and the simplicity, low budget and small dev team allowed them to shit something out in 3 months. These sort of bad don't really exist to the same extent on SNES, it's usually just "okay so this is your average platformer/beat em up but the hit detection, response time and jumping are super awkward and maybe there is no music for some reasons"The bad experimentation was gone, because even the good experimentation was also mostly gone. Everyone was playing it more safe and things being a little more complicated to develop meant devs had to have a little more clue about what they were doing
>>11344691All subjective.
>>11347336Someone is very cranky and bitter, I see.
>>11347484Oh, you're a manchild who was bullied by some Nintendo kid in school and never got over it.
>>11347542It's a very tragic sight to behold.>>11350607Do you look at yourself in the mirror and feel good?
I take it you havent played much sega genesis. Everyone knows the genesis does what Nintendoesn’t.
>>11344046Simpler =/= BetterFaster paced =/= BetterThis is the mindset of a someone who never grew up and expanded beyond Duck Hunt and Super Mario Bros.
I have 300 SNES games and want to get about 40 more to complete my collection. From my past 30+ years of experience there are about 200 games worth playing and putting some time into. GOAT system to this day.
>>11351740If we're going by library size, I've beaten more than 350 NES/FC/FDS games and more than 90% are "worth playing" and there is still like 100-200 more games I want to play or haven't beaten
>>11351707If you like slower, more complex games, then PC was much better for that than the SNES.
Stop liking the Super Nintendo already! Or else
>>11351758The SNES is the awkward middle child, unable to do action games as well as it's much faster competitors, and unable to do slower and more story driven games as well as the PlayStation and PC games of the era.
>>11351847Threetimes-kun! One more post and people WILL stop liking the snes!
>>11343218MEGAMAN XDONKEY KONG COUNTRYEARTHBOUNDKIRBY SUPER STARSUPER METROIDso many series at their PEAK
>>11351847>and unable to do slower and more story driven games as well as the PlayStation and PC games of the era.... what?
>>11351559I love Genesis, it along with NES and SNES makes up the golden age of console gaming, the games looked and sounded great, and they were so fun and engaging.I don't think you can truly have one without the other, because Nintendo and Sega both specialized in some things which the other didn't do as much of, for all the multiplats and some of the good counterparts, there's stuff which you will only find on one or the other.Super Nintendo did not have a first person shooter of the caliber of Zero Tolerance (a game which is a minor technological wonder), and Sega Genesis didn't have a game like Super Metroid.Both consoles have Castlevanias, but they're different ones.>>11351847It does plenty of fast action games. It's not ideal at your typical arcade shmup, that's something the Genesis is legit better at, but it can still do them, and it still does stuff like Wild Guns, Sunset Riders, Contra 3, Super Castlevania, and Megaman X without all that much issue. Bit of slowdown in a few of these, but not much.You're brazenly bullshitting about slow paced games, because SNES had a lot of jarpigs, most notably Chrono Trigger (which is better than the PSX port in almost every single way, that one's a disaster), but then also Final Fantasy 4, 5, and 6, along with Legend Of Mana and Earthbound.It sure wasn't ideal for say, Syndicate, but neither was the Genesis.
>>11351967Either these are from ChatGPT, or he's in some sort of manic state and just inventing conjecture on the spot to try ro desperately argue.>>11351758It was, sure, but the PC was also growing a lot more powerful very quickly, by 1993 it was doing fast 3D which SNES and Genny could only dream of.However, you had to spend quite a lot more money for that, and then you need to set up the machine, install and configure the games, and there's often more to learn.Meanwhile, consoles were comparatively trivial, they have this super straightforward Start & Go quality where you don't need to do anything comparatively complex, at the most skim a manual for those games which aren't as quick and obvious to learn. That these machines were much cheaper, and that they actually did still do some more slow paced games like RPGs and sims, made them contenders on that point.Often they weren't nearly as good, but sometimes they were, and both consoles had exclusives which weren't on PC.
Console warriors are fucking ridiculous. Are you not grown men? Can you not easily afford a computer and some retro gaming?You can play most retro games worth playing without paying any additional money these days, you don't even need the consoles for the vast majority.Imagine still cucking out for ages old marketing targeted at children.
>>11343294>I literally can't play NES games they feel ancientI could understand if you were talking about early 1983-1984 Famicom titles but by the end of the System's life a lot of the games had SNES tier gameplay
>>11352436In this case it's mostly 1 guy (australia-kun aka the guy who rants about mhz CPU clock speed).There may be a few other console warriors from /v/ but most people who remotely likes video games will acknowledge the Super Nintendo success.Denying that it has a lot of good games is mental illness, which is why you see the same autist screeching all over /vr/ when SNES is mentioned
>>11352491I'm sometimes accused of being that guy whenever I express on here that I don't think Yoshi's Island aged well outside of its presentation. I loved it so much as a kid but coming back to it after almost 2 decades was such a disappointment.
>>11343218Genesis was more unique
>>11352732Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Pretending to be retarded is still being retarded.
>>11343218>perfectit needed an interrupt line between the CPU and audio coprocessor
>>11350248Holy shit, is this game is awesome as it looks?
>>11353023If you can stomach the slowdown it's a very solidly put together Sunsoft game. It's called deae tonosama appare ichiban.
>>11353037Excellent, I will look for this and give it a shot.
Snes was the first era where games could become grand productions with large skilled teams...final fantasy 4/6. Donkey Kong Country 2...stuff like that is what separated it from the NES
>>11353383That's a very abritary bar you're setting. Some Famicom games were made with renowed graphical artists and renowed composers, you know, like Dragon Quest.
What bundle did you get back in the 90s, /vr/?
>>11344063>NES outsold the SNES, stayed popular a lot longer, and left a much bigger legacy.No shit it outsold the SNES when it had literally no competition.No shit it stayed popular longer when competition in the SNES era forced more technical development.No shit the NES left a bigger legacy when it completely revived home consoles.But none of that makes it a better system for what it actually is.
>>11350467>>11350441But you can still play SMB3 on SNES, with improved graphics and sound. So SNES still wins :^)
>>11354683All-Stars is shit.
>>11354683>with improved graphics and sound.Also "improved" by adding trademark SNES input lag and low resolution.
>>11354748>>11354730Holy cope
>>11354748Where does this idea come from the SNES has high input lag. There should be no technical reason the SNES would have any more lag than any other machine.
>>11354748It's never going to work and deep down you know it
>>11354683I definitely felt this way as a kid but now I realize the NES version's graphics are more appealing and the sound is punchier.
>>11354960It does have small variable input latency of 1-4 frames. Just the way the console works. It's not the end of the world.
>>11355207There is no hardware feature of the console that would cause any more input lag than any console.
>>11355241One thing I noticed when romhacking SNES games compared to NES games is that NES games tend to just get their input values from a single RAM adress, whatever the player does it will always be read from that one place and the code that executes the action linked to those inputs will be directly afterwardsInstead every SNES game I've checked does a dozen copies of that initial RAM adress, sometimes they even do copies of copies, and each copy is used for a different action. I'm not an expert and I don't know why so many did that, but there has to be a reason, and it certainly wouldn't help to have an input response as low as possible.
>>11355418Making copies does not necessarily increase latency. The order in which the copies are made matters.No latencyA -> BB -> CC -> D2 additional frames latencyC -> DB -> CA -> BAs for why a game would do this, its nothing whatsoever to do with the SNES hardware. And I would be very surprised and perplexed if SNES games really did have a significant tenancy to do this over comparable machines like the genesis.
Just got my retroid pocket in the mail last night. The only SNES games I've played are Nintendo platformers. What should I play?
>>11354659Post more bundles
>>11356196
>>11354676>No shit the NES left a bigger legacy when it completely revived home consoles.That part specifically is exaggerated, people never stopped wanting console games, Nintendo just came out with way better ones when Atari had been highly stagnant and had now economically fucked themselves.Otherwise, your observations are correct, that the NES had so preciously little competition from other consoles in most of the west is a big factor.
>>11354730All-Stars is mostly fine.>>11354748Forced meme, I've seen you blathering about imaginary input lag recently and it's plain bullshit.As for resolution, this difference is so fucking tiny that it's hilarious, I'll remind you that we're in the realm of 240p here
Auster's neverending quest of changing reality to make the SNES unpopular is a funny saga to observe.
>>11357197If by funny you mean tragic. What do you think his parents think of him?
