Why did Nintendo deprive us Euros of this gem? It's bad enough we never got FFVI, but not even SMRPG? Why did they hate us so much, what did we do?
Sony was already making areangements with Square to pay for the advertisenent of FF VII and convinced Square to not let Nintendo release it in Europe.
Europe got Terranigma which is the better game
>>11382926>Europe got Terranigma which is the better gamelol no
>>11382919Being a European gamer pre-2010s genuinely fucking sucked shit.So many games that just inexplicably didn't release here. Or if they did release, it would be 2 years late. Some games would release but would have an extremely limited print run despite being very common in the States.Even the consoles themselves used to release late here. N64 didn't release in Europe until 1997. GameCube and Xbox took until 2002. Even the PS3 got delayed to 2007.As a Bong especially it was fucking bullshit because we speak English and could just play the American versions of games, but still used to miss out because Nintendo couldn't be bothered to translate some game into Baguette language or some shit.I used to circumvent this by always having an Action Replay or some other device that could bypass region locks, and just importing games from the US. The last time I had to do this was for Brawl which came out several months earlier in America, but then Nintendo issued an update that banned people from using 3rd party region-unlocking discs on the Wii. I was fucking raging, I had to buy the game again at full price. Fucking ass.
>>11382923That sounds like a wild theory, I read that it was at the end of the SNES's life and adapting it to PAL + translation to possibly several languages was seen as not worth it.But then again...
>>11382945Getting original PAL cartridges for Conkers BFD and Harvest Moon on SNES cost me quite a bit. Luckily I speak German so I could just get the German version of Harvest Moon, market isn't so overpriced there.
>>11382953>Getting original PAL cartridges for Conkers BFD and Harvest Moon on SNES cost me quite a bitThose are the exact games I was thinking of. Plus Harvest Moon 64 and Mario Party 3.
Smaller and more fragmented market than the US or JP markets.SNES sold well over 10 million consoles in the US, and games only needed to be translated into English to have access to all those potential sales. Any dev wanting to release in the EU would have needed to convert everything to run on PAL just to get it functional, then translated into english for 1 million potential sales, translated into german for 1 million potential sales, translated into french for 1 million potential sales, and other languages having much smaller markets than that.
>>11382995Yeah, I get how for text-heavy games like an RPG that was often a deal breaker. But at least a Mario game ought to have been worth it...
>>11382919nintendo sucked. Thats why euros turned to sony
>>11383008Europeans were never that into Nintendo. Before Sony came along it was all about Sega and various computer systems
>>11382919One possible reason was that the game used the SA-1 chip. Those chips were expensive, and the only European game to feature this chip was Kirby's Fun Pak (Kirby Super Star).
>>11382919The racist Italian stereotypes presented in this game were deemed too insensitive for European audiences. It surprised me too, I always thought Italy was part of Africa, not Europe.
>>11383057No, that's Greece.
>>11382919>Why did Nintendo deprive us Euros of this gemYou don't deserve shit
>>11382919Europe should have adopted NTSC and moved to 60 hz power if they wanted video games.It's less important now because every display is the same phone LCD from China scaled up with a Taiwanese HDCP decoder. In the same vein pretty much everything is a DC input now, and even a half-assed rectifier made of solder globs doesn't give a shit about the wall frequency going in.
>>11382926yeah i'd say mario rpg for terranigma is a more than fair trade
>>11382945is it some kind of issue with adjusting framerates for europe tv sets or something? spending months translating "armor" to "armour" seems silly
>>11383165rude
>>11382919>Mario Bros Seven Star Roleplay Adventure: Where is Toadstool?
>>11383738The main plot isn't even about saving the princess you dummy
>>11382919>It's bad enough we never got FFVI, but not even SMRPG? Why did they hate us so much, what did we do?Don't forget you guys didn't get Chrono Trigger either, not even the PSX re-release.
>>11383156Greece is part of Asia minor and thus are turks.For Italians you need to watch this educational video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLCd6_r0yU
>>11382919>Why did Nintendo deprive us Euros ofanything released after 1995.
>>11383032>Europeans were never that into Nintendo. Before Sony came along it was all about Sega and various computer systemsPeople keep saying this but it's not my experience at all. I think that UKfags are the ones minimizing Nintendo's presence in Europe in the English speaking internet.
>>11384060Pre-90s there is some truth to it as Nintendo properties were mismanaged before more local efforts got their try at it and salvaged it. The Game Boy was quite key as well. The UK was a SEGA and micros bulwark though, so you just need to soften any British statement instead of take it at face value.
>>11382919I still remember rading about it in Club nintendo.The screenshot of the Mode7-3D minecart sections has burned itself into my memory.When I could not get it I was so pissed.
>>11382926lol no it's not. Terranigma is the most overrated reddit game out there
>>11382945And let's not forget:>50Hz
>>11385221I believe you're thinking of Earthbound or possibly Chrono Trigger, anon
>>11385221Reddit is full of americans, who never got to play it. They'd easily rate Super Mario RPG higher.
>>11382931>>11385221If Mario RPG didn't have the Mario license attached it wouldn't even rate. It's a sub-par JRPG by any standard, carried entirely by the brand association.
>>11382923>sony convinced square to forfeit profits for no good reason Let me guess, next you’re going to say the holocaust happened and the earth is flat.
Too lazy to look it up, any other Mario games not come out in europe, but did come out in america and japan?
>>11383032You sound fairly younger, the NES was The console, it was already a thing before the Megadrive came around with Sonic and later Aladdin which it's probably when Sega became a thing around 1993, we could mention the Game Gear as well, but again we already had the Gameboy.
>>11384018I still would like to know if eurobros got to play this somehow before the later ports.
>>11382919Extremely late release, ultimately came a few months before the NA release of the N64This was still the era of very separate JP/NA/EU releases dates and by the time Euros would have it, it may have been too late in Nintendo's mind, on top of having to do the 50hz optimization, on top of possibly having to possibly translate it into multiple languages at the time, etc etc etc. Not an expert on Euro era of that gen, but the releasing timing it most likely itOn the other hand, gens worked differently back then due to general low information and such. However, I clearly remember the big final NES games being rare as shit, hence why they're expensive, so it does seem like the customers mind not have bought the stuff at that point due to several factors
>>11382945>but then Nintendo issued an update that banned people from using 3rd party region-unlocking discs on the Wii. I was fucking raging, I had to buy the game again at full price. Fucking ass.Eh? The console was soft hackable from extremely early in the lifespan, which then allowed you to use GeckoOS to play region free gamesI did that and imported Xenoblade 1 way early, Disaster Day of Crisis and Another Code R in North America
>>11387045Emulators, probablyI recall discovering shitloads of personal websites with roms back then and a French translation of CT was my first playthrough of it because I could not properly read English yet
>>11386962And if sonic 2 didn't have the sonic license to it no one would like it either
>>11383385Basically everybody in Europe gets the same copy of the game. You could go to Germany and buy a GameCube game and it would work just fine on your UK GameCube, and it'd have English on the disc too.The downside of that is that the game has to be translated into every major European language before it can be released anywhere on the continent. Obviously that takes a long ass time, especially for text-heavy RPGs.Another consequence of this is game packaging being different. PSX games in the US came in those thin jewel cases like what you'd get a music CD in. In Europe, they came in these unique chunky cases because they needed to fit manuals with every single EU language in them.
>>11383039>$5 semiconductor is 'expensive'ok buddy
>>11387045Using emulators? Of course.Even some normie friends of mine were using ZSNES back in the day.The first official PAL release was on the DS.
>>11391204larping zoomienobody emulated back then unless you were a turbo-nerd
>>11391207I'm almost 40, you fucking retard.Don't talk about what you don't know.
>>11382919My theory for Nintendo and Sega holding back good games is they didn't want these big games competing with themselves. If you release everything at once people don't have the money to buy it all if its a smaller market. I think its why stuff like Vectorman is pretty scarce in pal territories and gunstar heroes almost didn't get an english release.
>>11391275NTA but I am 40 too, the first version of Zsnes was released in 1997, and it sure as fuck did not play Chrono Trigger back then, though most people didn't even know that emulators existed back then. The PS2 would have been out by the time Chrono Trigger was in a decently playable state on it, assuming you have Scitech Display Doctor or didn't mind disabling some of the game's graphics to make the future part playable. Hell, I remember when Cx4 support was added as a big deal, and everyone realized the MMX2 and X3 roms they had downloaded ages ago from random Geocities and Angelfire sites were all just the bad dumps that everyone had been circulating for years because nobody had a way to play them to check before, as well as using XOR tables to manually decompress the graphics of FFOEZ and Star Ocean before Snes9X added support for the chips themselves instead of relying on pre-decompressed graphics packs.
>>11391127You realize you are talking about adding a $5 part in millions of carts that already cost a lot of money to produce even when you don't count the cost of the game itself? In terms of mass production even parts that cost a few cents can have a massive impact.
>>11382945>sucked shit*On console.We was pretty much par with the rest of the world on PC since the mid-90s. Going from letter-boxed 50Hz PAL conversions on the Mega Drive to 72Hz on a monitor was a revelation.
>>11383309Practically every Euro TV since the 80s could display PAL60 through RGB via SCART and baguettes got SCART cables with consoles by default since it was legislated, yet it took until 1998 for anyone to get a clue.
>>11382926It got it translated by Nintendo of America, ironically enough.
>>11391109wow dang, i get it now. thanks anon
>>11382926>Europe got TerranigmaWe also got secret of evermore, illusion of time and lufia that were heavily shillled by nintendo eorope back then.
>>11382919You all needed your special snowflake broadcast signal standard which made it too much of a hassle to export anything there. Why go through the process of converting and translating a game that might sell 80k copies?
Why did Brits censor the word ninja?
>>11387030He's talking about the Master System. Europe was more PC country than home console, particularly Amiga. Home consoles didn't start selling well in Europe until the PS1/PS2.
>>11391726>We also got secret of evermore, illusion of time and lufia that were heavily shillled by nintendo eorope back then.Yeah but the US got those too, the point was that Terranigma was NOT released in the US, it was one of the few games back then from Japan that Europe got but the US didn't.Also, you did not get Lufia, you got Lufia 2, it was renamed Lufia in Europe because the first one was not released there, similar to how FF4 and FF6 were renamed FF2 and FF3 in the US because 2, 3, and 5 had not released outside of Japan... and all six had not released in Europe.Oh, and one last thing, it was originally called Illusion of Gaia, not Illusion of Time.
>>11382945>Even the PS3 got delayed to 2007.false
>>11392034The implication of violence. Ninja are dangerous killers and assassins. This guy would make you shit your pants if you met irl.
>>11394867"Ninja? Nah, that word is far too violent. Must get rid of it.""What's that? LightGUN accessories for consoles that look like guns? And games having the word "Gun", "Blood", or "Killer" in their titles? Nah, that's fine, at least it's not the word Ninja"
>>11382945Is this AI? I think almost every fact is incorrect in this post.
>>11394879For some reason, this reminds me of that special C&C Generals version for the Germany where suicide bombers of GLA faction (and I think some other units) were replaced by literal beep boop boop robots.They have some interesting censure laws centered on vidya.
>>11384060It was different all over Europe.In Poland, homemade clone of NES called Pegasus was sold, taking advantage of the lack of Nintendo's official presence on our market. Tons of games you could buy for silly money, which most likely didn't have the authentication chip.There was some Sega Genesis presence early on, which was later on basically completely replaced by PlayStation.I've never even heard of SNES being a thing in Poland.
>>11394919Europe did that a lot, Contra is infamous for being turned into "Probotector" there, where everyone was changed into robots.This makes Contra: Hard Corps laughably stupid since originally the game let you choose if you wanted to play as a guy, a girl, a werewolf with a gun-arm, or a robot. Meaning in the UK version you can choose between playing as... a robot, a robot, a robot wolf, or a robot.(Notice how the effect of morping the face between the man and the woman looks very messed up in the UK version despite the fact that it's supposed to just be morphing between two identical looking robots, the robot is basically morphing into a human face only to snap back into being a robot, practically looks like the soul of the original character is trying to escape)Though it didn't escape to the US unscathed either. The original Japanese version of the game had a life bar, this was removed in the US version to make it one-hit kills... without re-adjusting the difficulty.
