>>11393153
I think they're great as it keeps you motivated. Also, some sets promote multiple playthroughs. Some achievements are hard as fuck, so it will test your skill at the game. My only real problem with it is they don't always get reported when you complete the achievement. I'm not sure if it's a retroarch bug, retroachievement bug, or one a game-by-game basis since it happened most with Pokemon games for me.

fun for games you beaten many times

cant accomplish anything in life but look i got this video game trophy

>>11393207
/thread

I'll never understand you achievements people.

Like I remember this guy way back in the 00's who was going for a pacifist Deus Ex run, pretty common at the time. No biggie so far, only he was going nuts on the steam forums because Steam wouldn't award him the achievement.

Some people just never learn.

>>11393207
>cant accomplish anything in life but look at least im too vitriolic to care about video game trophies
Is this better?

>>11393153
Well I don't know anything about that picture of yours OP but I just finished Tomb Raider palace of midas lvl on ps1 and figuratively came in my pants when I finished. What an achievement Indeed. Now the puzzles weren't so hard I was more stuck on colloseum, but having so few saves and figuring out where to go to get one of those led bars was driving me pretty nuts.

>>11393221
no shit, video game trophies are the most pathetic shit ever, imagine bragging about that shit and not being embarrassed

>>11393262
>imagine bragging about trophies
Nobody does this. Get some friends, anon.

>>11393269
>Nobody does this
on contraire retard, i know a lot of people that bragged about getting plat on a bunch of games and you're definitely one of them
learn a skill and have sex

>>11393278
Every conversation I've had with someone about game trophies has gone like this
>hey you ever play Bloodborne?
>yeah, i got plat
>how long did that take
>a couple weeks, Yharnam Pthumerian Queen took a bunch of tries
>yeah that's crazy, anyway...
and then the conversation moves on. Your take sounds like it has less to do with trophies and more to do with your misplaced autistic ideations of what having friends to talk to about videogames is like.
>learn a skill and have sex
You're upset that other people like to track their game's progress digitally and assume it's meant as some sort of dig against your ego. You've absolutely positively never had sex before. The way you think is haunting.

Not retro

>F-Zero GX has achievements for listening to every single interview quote PER CHARACTER (each character would require 16 playthroughs, the game has 40 characters)
Beyond retarded.
>Viewtiful Joe has a secondary set of achievements that's supposed to be uber hardcore, it's just getting rainbow v rank on adults and not Ultra V Rated
And yet not one person has done it on there. They must really suck.

>>11393294
imagine being this defensive about video game accomplishments and projecting this hard, so far you've brought up
>get friends
>never had sex
this is textbook projection, you're a literal caricature of the kind of loser i'm describing and because you're defending it so hard definitely means it was a direct hit
get a skill, have sex etc

>>11393319
>>F-Zero GX has achievements for listening to every single interview quote PER CHARACTER (each character would require 16 playthroughs, the game has 40 characters)
lol i tried doing that as a kid, but now-a-days it's a waste of time.
Accessibility to games (having a job, gamepass, emulation) really makes me play games differently now and dont do crazy shit like that anymore

>>11393325
>>get friends
You're saying that the only reason to get videogame achievements is to brag about them. In my experience, I never talk about them with anybody except occasionally with friends, in which case the conversation is more about the game with achievements being a mentioned briefly if at all. I'm saying that your perspective sounds like one that could only come from someone who's speaking to what they assume talking about achievements with friends is like. Unless of course the only situation in which you talk about achievements is while arguing with faceless voices online. You could also be the type of person to get into bitter arguments with friends. I don't care either way, but you sound like the kind of person who would have trouble making them in the first place.
>>never had sex
You brought this up. >>11393278
>projection
You've mentioned sex twice at this point. I mentioned in once in response to your mentioning it.

>>11393153
this shit is more gayer than emulation shaders

>>11393217
Is this a copypasta or something? This makes no sense.

>>11393421
it's bi?

>>11393449
this is a retard recalling an encounter with another retard which for some reason completely shaped his perspective on a common gameplay feature

>>11393153
They're cool in principle, but in actual use I find them really annoying. If you're using a chinkheld to play something like an RPG, you won't want to play it unless you're connected to stable wi-fi because you'll miss achievements. On my Steam Deck, the fucking thing keeps logging me out on Retroarch and it happens constantly. It's a shame because some games, like Medievil on PS1, have a bunch of creative achievements which would be actual achievements to complete.

>>11393590
iirc as long as retroarch is running, the emulator remembers which achievements you got offline. i beat most of pacman world on a plane then saw them sync to my account as I was waiting to get picked up

>>11393601
That's cool. What platform was that on? The Ambernic RG35XXSP, for example, has a setting where it can delay the boot of the entire console until it is connected safely to RetroAchievements via wi-fi, so I am not sure it supports that. I might be wrong though.

>>11393294
In reality it went more like this:
>hey you ever play Bloodborne?
>yeah, i got plat
>huh? what's that
>I got every cheevo blah blah blah Yharnam Pthumerian Queen took a bunch of tries blah blah blah..
>oh....(wow what a loser)
and then the person walks away

>>11393153
They're fine. If I notice a game has them I'll look through and see which ones aren't just a chore/grind. Good achievements can be like a roadmap for enjoying the game in ways you wouldn't think of on your own. Bad achievements are just garbage that make playing the game worse.

The leaderboards are nice for some games, too.

>>11393616
>people who get achievements in video games are losers
>people who play video games as a primary hobby and have a schizophrenic one-way rivalry with people who get achievements are not losers
and then you woke up.

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>>11393207
Word. Achievements are the worst thing to happen to gaming. They're not gonna get you pussy while talking with women. They're not gonna help you get a job. They're nt gonna amount to anything. But people are obsessed with collecting them as if it's an accomplishment.

>>11393628
nothing about any video game is going to help you in life whatsoever

>>11393624
>>people who get achievements in video games are losers
correct

>>11393634
talking about 30+ year old video games online is already about as soi as it gets. no need to feign standards now

I can barely play games without an achievement system anymore so I like it a lot. I know nobody goves a shit but me but fuck i can't stop ACHIEEEEEEVING

>>11393153
i had it set up on one of my emulation machines and did it for a while then just fell off. haven't set it up again since.

>>11393153
I enjoy them.
It's really easy to just savestate and rewind in every game, or manipulate XP in some older RPGs, or cheat to unlock the grind heavy stuff in certain games, so it acts as a nice little incentive to not do that.

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>>11393325
Is this Quentin?

If you have reached the stage where you are actively hunting for trophies, the game is now programming you.

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>>11393325
>>11393278
>>11393616
>>11393675

I think that having some kind of framing device when doing a hobby can add an extra layer of fun.
Achievements can give you more things to do in a game you love, or give you a reason to stick with a game you're struggling with, which can be nice.
I appreciate that they can help you know when you're missing out on a huge chunk of a game. When I played Symphony of the Night for the first time, I completely missed out on the second castle. If I was playing with achievements, I would have found out that I hadn't played half of the game yet, instead of stopping thinking that I'd completely finished it. That's probably the biggest selling point.

That being said, I don't think it's the best kind of framing device. Achievements are essentially 100% personal. Nobody cares how many Platinum Trophies you have or what your GamerScore is except you. Hunting them can be fun, but it's kind of a lonely experience.
What I've come to prefer is writing fanfiction about the games I like. It encourages me to play games just as much ("Man, I really want to write a fanfic about that character. I should replay their game first!") and it's also a creative endeavor that allows me to express myself. When I flip back through my old stories it's almost like a diary; each one represents who I was when I wrote it.
The best part is that I post them online, and every once in a while somebody will comment on a story I wrote and tell me that it made their day. I've gotten a lot of achievements in my life, but none of them ever felt as good as hearing someone tell me they loved one of my stories.

So while I don't think achievements are bad, I think it's even better if you can channel your passion for a game into some kind of creative endeavor, and make something you think is really cool that you can share with other fans.
Doing that can breathe a whole new life into your enjoyment of a game. Every time I write a new story it feels like I'm falling in love with my favorite games all over again.

>>11393153
Can be fun if it's in the game itself or on some site (loved Kongregate cus of this), but idk what OP is talking about, is that an emulator? So only you can see your achievments? Seens kinda pointless imo but to each their own.

>>11393153
It depends solely on who made the achievements.
Some games it will be super easy "Play the game and have fun!" stuff while others are pretty much just "Play the game in the most miserable way imaginable" or people making sets too difficult so 5~10 people can master it and feel superior

I mastered Mario world and I liked doing it. The achievements showed me some cool things I didn't know about like all the hidden one ups.

>>11393632
Tetris has helped me do multiple things like bagging groceries, packing a haul, packing boxes, organizing my junk drawer, etc... you're so upset that anon doesn't like retro achievements that you're throwing the baby out with the bath water, get a hold of yourself.

>>11393153
I don’t like them. Why should I want to complete a checklist from an internet rando, again?

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>>11394039
Do you normally let images speak for you? Cause words are better

>>11394043
an image is worth 1000 words, retard

>hes still mad that someone called his trophies worthless

>>11394145
You're arguing with several people at this point btw. I haven't touched this thread in 9 hours.

>>11393771
You just reminded me of the fact that Newgrounds added achievements to its flash games one day in like 2007. Was really fun until people got gay about it

>>11394043
How dares he post an image on an IMAGEboard...

>>11393153
Retroachievements filter fake gaymers because they just want to complete the game as quickly as possible to check it off their "backlog" so they can say "yeah I beat it". They don't care about enjoying the games and doing some challenges.

>>11393153
>retroachievement thread a few months ago
>check out the leaderboards and see a few of the top players cheating in arcade games
>point it out in this thread
>some retard comes in and defends cheater saying im retarded and cant prove it
>prove it to retro achievement mods along with 2 other cheaters
>they get removed from the leaderboards
>i still never used retroachievements
Just posting this for that 1 faggot.

>>11394348
achievement hunter just want to check trophy off their checklist and dont care about enjoying the game for the sake of the game,they never play it again once they reached 100% achievement.

>>11394405
Kek based
Also will never use RA, but faking achievements on it might be the gayest, slimiest shit I've ever heard

>>11394421
I'm not even anti achievement, and the guy defending the cheater said he doesn't use RA either, but he was oddly simping for him.

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It's great for social media addicts incapable of enjoying things on their own.

>>11394420
Yes, but at least he puts genuine effort in learning and mastering the game. Because unlike modern games achievements, retro ones are often very autistic if you want 100%.

>>11393163
>I think they're great as it keeps you motivated
So you don't like the game? Ok.

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>>11393207
Video games are about accomplishing shit. By your logic, nobody that plays video games have accomplished anything in life.

>>11394513
No, but at times it's great to have a motivator, as not all games are perfect throughout and can be a slog at times. By your logic anybody that needs a motivator to workout doesn't like it. I guess all professional sports athletes also don't like it since they have motivators too.

>>11393749
When you have no more arguments left, I guess all you can do is post images

>>11394617
>By your logic, nobody that plays video games have accomplished anything in life.
Well you haven't even accomplished reading comprehension, so there's that. How retarded do you have to be to imagine anons "logic" means that?

>>11393207
as opposed to you, who hasn't accomplished anything in life and doesn't have video game trophies either?

>>11394405
holy shit I think I remember you and that thread. Did you get that one brazilian dude banned? If so thanks a lot for the assist

>>11394970
I'm literally just using his own logic. If you can't understand that, it's not my fault you're retarded.

>>11393153
I don't really get it. Okay, if many people asked for it, no problem. But the main isssue is that nobody except (You) cares if you've got a certain "achievement". Maybe except a few achievement nerds, but that ends at "Nice, dude" and that's it.
Getting a higher education that isn't Woman's Studies or shit like that, holding a job or relationship for longer than half a year would at this point generate actual envy or positive attention.

>>11393153
They're even gayer than non-retro achievements.

>>11393207
The very fact this short post has pissed off so many poor things shows clearly that they NEED in-game achievements, even in the ones where no system like that was present. As if it was the only thing left for them to compare themselves to others where they have a chance to be better.

>>11395003
The conceptualization of video games is within the realm of getting the high score or getting further than everyone else.

>>11395024
High scores were last seriously important during Arcade era.

>>11395032
>ESL
Finished.

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>>11393153
They are gay.

>>11394985
Yeah one of them was that brazillian who was in the top 10 on the site.

>>11393163
Why do you need motivation to play the game other than your own enjoyment?

>>11395071
As I already posted, not every game is 100% great from start to finish. There are times in games where it's a slog. Achievements also force you to push your skill level and improve to get some of them.

>>11395085
>As I already posted, not every game is 100% great from start to finish. There are times in games where it's a slog. Achievements also force you to push your skill level and improve to get some of them.
there should be achievements for books now that we have ebooks,that way it could motivate me to finish books when they become a slog and add a test at the end so i need to improve my reading comprehension to get 100%

>>11395085
braindead take,nothing is a 100% great from start to finish.
how do you even begin to care about that shit explain how achievement motivate you,why does it motivate you to add a meaningless achievement to your list if its such a slog what do you get from them.
do you think people never finished or master games before we had achievements.

>>11393153
Seems like a thing people enjoy and other people are mad about that for some reason. It's funny because everyone complaining about them just sounds like someone's crabby girlfriend from the 80s/90s talking about video games in general. "THERE'S NO POINT! WASTE OF TIME! THEY'RE STUPID!"

>>11393636
Because said 30-year-old games are better than the modern crap in every way but graphics?

>>11395236
You're on /vr/. What you've just said is the equivalent of going on /lit/ and saying that you like books.

>>11394987
>I'm literally just using his own logic
And you also haven't even accomplished logic. You really are making a good case for your strawman of not accomplishing anything in your life. You can't even cope or shitpost well.

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>>11395003
The thing I don't understand about a lot of the replies here is that they imply that I can EITHER
>have a good productive life, job, and family
OR
>get achievements in spyro 2
Put yourself in my shoes for a second. I'm a senior software dev making mid six figures. I'm about to hit the 8-month mark of dating a girl I really care about. I've got a group of good friends I see several times a week. I play classical guitar, speak three languages, read a book every month, run 5 miles a day, and lift 5 times a week. And when I saw this thread, I expected blind, uncalculated hate like you'd see anywhere else on this site, but what I wasn't expecting was for several people to insist that me liking achievement hunting in spyro 2 is emblematic of wholistic life failure. They like this argument because any response at all can be cheaply disregarded as proof that the other anon is in fact a failure. The only winning move is to ignore retards who argue in absolutes.

Pic unrelated.

>>11395282
>I'm a senior software dev making mid six figures. I'm about to hit the 8-month mark of dating a girl I really care about. I've got a group of good friends I see several times a week. I play classical guitar, speak three languages, read a book every month, run 5 miles a day, and lift 5 times a week
at least make it sound believable,you are on 4chan we all know you arent half that shit.

>>11395292
>having a good job, a gf, friends, hobbies, and good health is impossible if you use the same website as me, a troglodyte
Tell me your life sucks without telling me.

>>11395202
I mean, that's just a school book report and test.

>>11395214
People weren't doing no-sword runs on The Legend Of Zelda when it was first released. People weren't doing specific rules run for Pokemon when they first came out, unless you're a zoomer of course.

>>11395327
nta The issue is intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation, if someone is enjoying the book they're reading they'll be taking notes and testing their knowledge. Your ability to self impose challenges never went away, and if you need external motivation to engage then your enjoyment will be limited to whatever pre existing challenges are available rather than the challenges you make for yourself. Kind of like a rock climber that creates a new route on a natural cliff versus a rock climber that follows a pre existing route at a climbing center.

>>11395408
nta but the difference here is that if someone at a climbing gym decided to do an existing route, there wouldn't be a thread full of bitter dickheads jerking off over how inferior that choice makes them. the retroachievement debate is dumb. people say the same things you guys are saying about vidya in general. why seek artificial challenge in a game that doesn't matter when you could instead be learning piano, something which actually matters

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>>11395282
oof I biffed it. Wrong pic. Here's the pic of me and my smoking hot girl that I've been going out with for 8 months after meeting while doing a double back flip into my bugatti.

>>11395502
>having a GF is the equivalent of doing a double backflip into a bugatti
This might be the most pathetic thing I've ever read on /vr/.

>>11395416
Did you miss this part?
>if you need external motivation to engage then your enjoyment will be limited to whatever pre existing challenges are available rather than the challenges you make for yourself.

The point is regarding intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation, this has nothing to do with popularity. Do activities you like and you will challenge yourself for the sake of your own enjoyment rather than playing games you don't like for the endless goal of attaining more social credit.

>>11395538
>rather than the challenges you make for yourself
you could say the same thing to someone doing a nuzlocke rather than inventing their own challenge in pokemon red
>for the endless goal of attaining more social credit.
this is my problem with your mindset. nobody is getting these achievements to impress other people. this is a strawman meant to contextualize why you're upset that other people like something you don't. ive mastered a few games in RA, and the only times I talk about it are on RA, and when I get sucked into an argument on /vr/ about whether liking achievements means I think I'm better than everyone else

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>>11395282
>Put yourself in my shoes for a second. I'm a senior software dev making mid six figures. I'm about to hit the 8-month mark of dating a girl I really care about. I've got a group of good friends I see several times a week. I play classical guitar, speak three languages, read a book every month, run 5 miles a day, and lift 5 times a week

>>11395564
>your enjoyment will be limited to whatever pre existing challenges are available
Does not mean
>existing challenges are not fun
Also
>this has nothing to do with popularity.
Please pay closer attention: The desire to achieve something in a game should be the result of internal motivation to play a game you like rather than the external motivation of a to do list.

>>11395601
>my blanket statement is not absolute
>anyways allow me to reiterate my blanket statement, please reread it for the fifth time
baffling post.
>The desire to achieve something in a game should be the result of internal motivation
why? this is like saying you should go on a run because you like running rather than in pursuit of training for a 5k. im saying that as long as you're running and enjoying it, who cares what you're doing or why you're doing it
>rather than a to do list
you've just described video games in general

>>11395538
>Do activities you
That's why people are doing achievements - they like them. Doesn't matter if you are the one making them up.

>>11395636
>he still doesn't understand that acknowledgement isn't negation
Can't force you to, either
>as long as you're running and enjoying it, who cares what you're doing or why you're doing it
Precisely; Marathon runners already enjoy running and anyone that only cares about the extrinsic motivation of being perceived as athletic is going to be miserable the entire time they're participating. People like that should learn to enjoy running before signing up for a marathon.
>you've just described video games in general
I was criticizing extrinsic motivation and not "to do" lists.
>>11395751
Now the topic becomes about why they like recognition for doing something enjoyable rather than simply liking the gameplay itself.
>likely response - "they just like collecting them, it's not that deep"
Seriously consider the implications of someone that commodifies their enjoyment of a game that is already supposed to be enjoyable. To me, that reads like someone that lacks an ability to appreciate their own achievements. As you're aware, it can even seem like they're forcing themselves to complete something they don't actually care about just for the sake of worthless social prestige, but I know you're not like that.

>>11393153
Its fine its a good way to check for missed secrets.

>>11395512
lurk moar newfag
18+

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Anyone want to add friends on retroachievements? Post your name and I'll follow you.

I just bought a chinkheld and am playing a lot of retro games these days.

>>11393153
It is only worth it if you audit whatever game you want to get achievements for and keep the setting disabled otherwise. Don't keep it enabled all the time.

A big issue with RetroAchievements is that they're up their own ass sniffing their own farts 24/7 arguing that "You haven't mastered the game" for whatever arbitrary reasons they decide you haven't and typically those reasons are agonizingly tedious, require speedrunner tricks or exploits, or require you to have played the game for months prior memorizing stuff that only matters for those specific achievements. Half the reason they even argue that way is because they specifically called it "Mastering" a game.

The main appeal of achievements is that they get you to do goofy stuff, be an extra 100% completion list on top of the internal one, do something you didn't know was possible, or get you out of your comfort zone. RA's general take on them is the exact opposite and even has rules against what would be on a normal achievement list on any other platform.

It's also really apparent that a majority of people there are stuck in the mindset of early PS3 and 360 achievements which were tedious, frustrating, and an enormous timesink compared to later gen 7 where games figured out the middleground of what was acceptable in terms of difficulty and realistic expectations. Of course there were outliers here and there, but for the most part you won't find sets on RA that are anything close to officially released sets.

The main issue is that RA overall makes objectively worse sets than the official sets of games, makes tedium the #1 priority, doesn't have any quality control, people have to constantly petition for stuff to be moved to subsets (Go look at how long people had to beat Mega Man Legends' ten minute final boss on Hard with only the sword while taking no damage before it was moved to a subset), and the lists are sometimes hundreds of achievements long.

>>11393153
They're fake and gay.

>>11393207
rekt

If the devs wanted you to achieve certain things, they’d reward you for doing so.

>>11396521
This entire post is false. There's plenty of goofy and casual secret achievements. Not everything is hardcore speedrunning tricks. It's really game dependent and that's the actual problem: quality varies by whoever is doing the upload.

>>11396521
Actually, while I'm ranting I thought of more issues.

The hash system is a complete mess. You can have a No-Intro or Redump copy of a game and it won't recognize it for some reason but then it will recognize stuff you know is not No-Intro or Redump verified for some reason. You can download the patch directly from their "Supported Game Files" section, use FLIPS to patch your game, boot up your game, and it won't be recognized despite being literally from their own website and the patch itself requiring a No-Intro or Redump dump of the game.

They primarily choose to opt for the PAL versions of games because it means you have more languages on hand with one hash verification but fail to realize that in general the majority is going to be want to using the NTSC-U copies of games because they either run better or they're literally from the US, but it also means if you want to use that save on a retail cart you now need to go source that European cart because typically these things don't play nice when swapping the save to another region. I understand their reasoning for it but it's a chore. The bigger name games are good about supporting NTSC-U and J though.

They are extremely out of date when it comes to games with translation patches or hacks.
Telefang 1, Silhouette Mirage, and Densetsu no Stafy 1 are great examples where the final patches have been out for months if not years now.
Official quality of life hacks are usually not supported like FF8's summons put back into NTSC-U and PAL copies.
Hacks that do get released like Mega Man Star Force 2's "Not Quite DX" patch only get applied to one version but not the other (What if I don't want to play Saurian?).
Relocalization/delocalization patches are very rarely supported and almost never up to date with the addendum versions. FF7 and Lunar 2 come to mind. It's even weirder with Lunar 2 because Lunar 1 has the patch but not Lunar 2 so enjoy your objectively worse experience for that one.

>>11393207
I seriously dont get the achievements nonsense.
Its cool when is in the actual game like say how modern RE4 does as it unlocks points to spend in the ingame shop but them being outside the game? Nonsense.
Its like how in Concord you have retards throwing themselves to die for achievements instead of just playing the game for its sake.
Heck it was cool when in Xbox 360 you got points to spend on shit.

>>11396570
>There's plenty of goofy and casual secret achievements.
Yes there are, I never said there weren't. I said that's why you have to audit your lists and "there were outliers here and there". You have to make sure it's got fun stuff rather than just speedrunning the game or beating it at the highest rank or no damaging the entire game.

Go look at Digimon World 1 and tell me that's a good list. That list alone makes the game go from a 10-20 hour fun affair to like 80+ hours of forcing your Digimon to poop themselves to death and training them without ever moving from the city because there's no reason to so you get every single Digivolution.
Meanwhile you have good lists like the revised Mega Man Legends 1 list which just tasks you to do all the side quests, find all the items, and do a few missables.

Their quality control is horrendous.

>>11396521
>the lists are sometimes hundreds of achievements long

Yeah having bloated achievement lists is one of the worst things about the site. If I check a game and see that it has 300 achievements, there's no chance that I'll try to hunt for achievements even if it's a game that I love.

>>11396069
>why they like recognition for doing something enjoyable rather than simply liking the gameplay itself
It's not about recognition, having an achievement on a site as proof is just a byproduct of playing the game for enjoyment.

>>11395202
Kindle has seasonal "events" with achievements now.

>>11393153

Great.

>>11393153
I always had a negative view on retroachievements, but I've seen that they can give interesting side-challenges instead of just being like
>achievement get: finish 1-1
I'd say they are worth a try if you already played the game multiple times and want to give it a new spin

>>11396521
>>11396613
If you just post in the comments, generally shit will get fixed if it's absurd.
Either the achievement has its points value bumped up (completely meaningless aside from requesting MORE achievement sets) or the achievement itself can be changed. This happened a couple months back with Jak and Daxter where the hard fishing minigame had its goal dropped from an incredibly autistic and near impossible to do without ages of practice 1000 fish, to a still hard but far more doable 750.

I think these sets should just end at "Do everything you can do in the game" type deal. Like, Silent Hill 1 and 2 have their hardest achievements as earning a ten star ranking, something built into both games, with a few exceptions lingering around (like killing five enemies with your flashlight off in certain areas- which honestly is a good idea since it highlights some elements of the world and monster design I otherwise would not have cared to notice).
Though saying that, an absurdly autistic achievement set within those realms is Dragon Ball Z Budokai, which requires the player to essentially not just buy every item in the game, but buy 9 of every item in order to get the Dragon Balls (which randomly appear in the shop when playing traditionally) to appear consistently in the shop so you can wish for every character's breakthrough capsule.
It was some real "Here's how you unlock this super secret character" shit, which can be fun in its own way, but I still spent several real life days just winning tournaments to get money to buy items from the shop until I was maxxed out so I could buy the Dragon Balls 27 times (and those alone cannot just be bought with pre-stored funds because your wallet caps out at 999,999, and 27 sets cost 1,323,000).

Just absurd autistic shit like that.
Still had some fun I guess, and it inspired a DB fanfic I posted on AO3.

>>11393153
It's like drugs for junkies.
I literally know people that won't play a game without achievements.
It's a mental illness where you play a game to accomplish something or to showoff instead of having fun.

>>11397085
>If you just post in the comments, generally shit will get fixed if it's absurd.
That's typically only for major games. Mega Man Legends had its set kept up for literal years despite everyone complaining about many portions of it and it took ages for anyone to push stuff off of it. All the stuff in
https://retroachievements.org/game/28162
were part of the main set for at least three or so years. The first achievement in particular requires such absurd luck to get past the worm room, and even if you do it's another ten minutes of carefully kicking the spider enemy while manipulating its AI. The best speedrunner in the world thought half of them were completely ridiculous.
>I think these sets should just end at "Do everything you can do in the game" type deal.
For me there has to be a reasonable limit to things. I'm fine with stuff like "Collect everything within reason", "Do these goofy things that either show you how broken the game is or are just funny", "Play the hardest difficulty and clear the game", and "Do X as Y" achievements.
I always point to the DMC1 set as an awful one and compare it to the official trophies because it's the perfect example of a garbage set vs. a reasonable one. DMC1's trophies just require you to 100% the game (All secrets, all weapons, etc) and then beat DMD. That's it. Now go look at the RA set:
https://retroachievements.org/game/2791
It wants you to S rank every difficulty of the game except Easy Automatic (Meaning four playthroughs minimum) which is essentially you having to play fairly well and speedrun the game at the same time four times. That's completely ignoring you having to be completely solid at DMD difficulty which itself stops most trophy hunters in their tracks on Playstation. Why is all this not a subset? Why not have the base set require S ranks on any difficulty and move every single one to a subset? What the hell is the point of the base set then when you're gonna shove stuff like this on there?

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>>11396650
If it's not about recognition, you wouldn't want proof. Proof is a byproduct of playing the game for worthless social prestige.

>>11397127
Oh, and before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm all for things like 1CC in a base set within reason. If the game is like 30 minutes long then there's no big deal, but when it's like an hour or longer of playing perfectly or having to memorize literal speedrun routes then you've lost me. That should always without question be part of a subset.

The DMC1 set itself is perfect outside of slapping all those S rank achievements right at the end. Onimusha has the same issue where it's got a perfect set almost mirroring the official trophies (With it making sure you can't just cheese the hardest difficulty with the sword) and then it slaps the S rank achievement in there. You can see the completion rate completely plummet because of that sole achievement and how strict it is.

>>11397131
It's not about recognition for everyone. I like having a secondary 100% completion list to aim for and complete alongside the main game itself. It also gives me the option to try out stuff I probably would have missed or never would have attempted. Seeing the 100% or a completed game badge is a nice thing to see after you've just spent 40-100+ hours playing games.

Back when I was younger I never would have touched harder difficulties. A quick example is with Kingdom Hearts, I kept myself at Standard difficulty all the way up until BBS and when I got 1.5 and I saw the Proud trophies, then 2.5 and the Critical trophies I stepped out of my comfort zone and played them. I never would have touched Pro Codes at all in KH3 if it wasn't tied to a trophy and ended up doing Pro Codes for the entire run on every single boss figuring out my own way to beat them.

Nowadays I pretty much start games on the hardest difficulties by default and that's entirely because of trophies and achievements pushing me that direction. It's also extremely useful in discussions when you need to show you did something or at least prove you haven't just watched a Youtube video on the topic.