I'll start with an easy one.
>>11393241They've been retconned to just being henchmen, not his kids. Sad!
>>11393241>>11393412Absolutely wild how Miyamoto has constantly gaslit his fans on all the stuff he’s ever said; like admitting Alice in wonderland influenced SMB then proceeded to pretend he never said so. That said, the only reason those characters were retconned was because he wanted to make Bowser Jr, his illustrative creation, the only child. The koopalings were Tezuka’s idea among other staff members and funny enough, Jr was born out of wanting to copy Camelot’s Kid Koopa from Mario Party; which wasn’t his idea to begin with (a mini me like bowser). Him being a passive aggressive jealous person is without a doubt true considering the gigaleak has an e-mail of how he allegedly told other employees not to credit their staff for Star Fox in the game’s credits. The idea or notion that he hated Rare was probably overstated, he just doesn’t like anything he’s personally “made.”
>>11393241>>11393423Anyways, the actual lore is that the kids are named after famous US-UK-GE musicians. However, the JP version leaves them unnamed, eventhough the designs are obviously based on those figures. The American version simply gave them full names. >>11393423Is this just a localization issue? Why assume Koopa Kids would be his literal children and not just other dragon-turtles like Bowser?
>>11393423>a shameless freemason is dark triadof course
The flying fortress is a space station
>>11393545>Anyways, the actual lore is that the kids are named after famous US-UK-GE musicianskoji kondo did copy a ton of those kinds of riffs to be honest
>>11393423>StarfoxI wonder if that's why Nintendo doesn't go after the fan made Half Life 2 mod and all the Krystal porn? An artist I follow just got hit with a DMCA by posting Metroid smut, but all the art with Krystal consensually holding hands with lizard men attracts no attention at all.
>>11393241For me it’s Roy, the realist Koopa Kid.
>>11393545>Is this just a localization issue? Why assume Koopa Kids would be his literal children and not just other dragon-turtles like Bowser?I'm oddly autistic about Mario lore so I looked up Japanese booklets of Mario 3 back after this retcon first happened to see if rumors about them never having been Bowser's kids in the Jap lore were true. The Japanese manuals did list them as Bowser's children. It is a retcon and not just a localization thing. Really weird decision to bring them back but change that part of them. Maybe so Jr could take spotlight as their sub-leader after Bowser? Who knows. Scans of the Japanese booklets shouldn't be too hard to find and translation is easier than ever, so you can verify this yourself if you don't trust a random anon (and you shouldn't, anons make shit up all the fucking time even if it's about something really really trivial).
>>11393612It's interesting that Superstar Saga included the Koopalings, but not Junior until the remake. You would think Nintendo would have enforced the retcon quick after Sunshine and wanted Jr in the spotlight immediately.
>>11393631They were a lot looser when it came to IP control and general creative freedom back then. The remake also changed a lot of redesigned enemies into their standard appearance.Plus Jr started appearing in tons of spinoffs after Sunshine, it's not like they weren't using him elsewhere.Probably helped that in the original SSS the Koopalings didn't have any important or even speaking roles. They just showed up as minibosses throughout the final dungeon. I'm sure that made their inclusion a lot easier, since there was less around them that had to be approved. Their appearance in that game does definitely stand out though, their only appearance throughout like a decade or more.
>>11393612considering bowser is called koopa in japan, are the still the "koopalings" over there?if so, my impression is miyamoto just made up some shit where bowser had 7 little spawnlings like the turtle fuck he is, and as the series progressed it became a muddy idea for bowser to have 7 childrenstill, the later existence of bowser jr. is baffling. maybe to make bowser more wholesome to have 1 son he responsibly takes care of and loves? idk
>We just love being mean!!holy shit, wouldn't want to mess with them
>>11393241I find it hilarious that the koopalings have 80s cartoon character level names, really cements them to the time period.
>>11393241I miss them...
>>11393631Basically anything spanning from Super Mario Advance 4 to New Super Mario Bros. Wii was shifty about their status.
>>11393423>Camelot’s Kid Koopa from Mario PartyThat's Hudson Soft.
>>11393650>considering bowser is called koopa in japan, are the still the "koopalings" over there?Good question. Mario wiki says>their original Japanese name, "Kokuppa" is essentially "Little Koopa" (which is what the retainers serving the kings call them in the NES and SNES versions) or "Child Koopa", with Koopa being the Japanese name of BowserIn SMB3's Jap manual their group name translates to '7 Little Bowser Siblings' and in World's it translates to 'Team of 7 Little Bowsers ', interesting that they didn't have a solid group title in the native language. Then again it's only more recently that Koopalings became THE name for them, it used to be synonymous with Koopa Kids in the West, but then Hudson made the Mario Party character Koopa Kid so they probably wanted to avoid that name in case it caused confusion.Miyamoto actually didn't create them, which may have something to do with why they were absent for so long. Kotabe (the guy who did all the old 2D Mario artwork for books and stuff) and Tezuka (guy who did a lot of the physics and level design work in the early games) are cited as their creators.
>>11393612>Really weird decision to bring them back but change that part of them. Maybe so Jr could take spotlight as their sub-leader after Bowser? Who knows.One thing that got me all fucked up was that I never had a Gamecube and never played Mario Sunshine, but I was intimately familiar with Bowser's kids from Mario 3 and Baby Bowser from Yoshi's Island. Then NSMB comes around and out of nowhere (from my perspective) Baby Bowser exists alongside Bowser. I think there's time travel shenanigans going on, but people all tell me Baby Bowser is actually Bowser, Jr, who is separate from Morton Koopa, Jr, who is not and never was ever related to Bowser at all. It made me feel so insane having everyone just spout all these retcons and look at me like I'm stupid for remembering all the original shit that they all just memoryholed for no reason.
>>11393805The weird thing about Sunshine is when Fludd scans mario it shows little clips of Mario Bros 1 3 and world. 2 of which had the koopa kids.
>>11393631>>11393647That segment is legitimately one of my favorite in any RPG. Finally reaching the castle after that massive odyssey, the difficulty goes way up, and it slowly becomes clear that you're going to fight eight boss battles in a row with completely new mechanics.That's how you make an ending to an RPG.
>>11393805It's very understandable you'd feel that way. It was an unpopular change back when it first happened (at least among people who keep track of this sort of thing, which to be fair is a very small percentage of the people who play Mario games). Having characters you've known for years be drastically changed like that is an uncomfortable whiplash, more-so if you find out about it years after the fact like you did.They also flip flopped for a while on if Mario came to the Mushroom Kingdom from Brooklyn or if he had been born and raised there, and that goes all the way back to Yoshi's Island. The recent movie is one of the only times something is clearly a different canon, but with it reestablishing the story to a lot of people they'll probably stick to the Brooklyn origin. Or more likely just keep changing it to whichever is more convenient for them at that point in time. I don't expect or even want Mario of all things to be restricted by keeping some really carefully maintained lore that they have to work around with each new title, but when it's major stuff like his origin and the koopalings not being Bowser's kids it is just kind of unfortunate. This isn't a series you play for its worldbuilding but it still kind of breaks connection to the setting and characters when it's changes as big as these. >>11393840It's a cool segment. I still remember that was the point of the game where I actually had to evaluate what I had access to because that countdown bob omb kept killing me in koopaling boss fights. I eventually used the Great Force item that doubles all damage given and taken, which let me beat the bosses quickly enough but made me have to play really well in order to stay alive. The game became even more fun playing it like that, and any replay I would immediately equip that item as soon as I got it. Definitely a good endgame dungeon.
>>11393650I think junior was just miyamutoid liked Baby Bowser in yoshi island and story and wanted a way to bring that mischievous character into the main mario games.
>>11393887I could see this.
>>11393559was that ever even meant to be secret?
>>11393864>Mario lore being so inconsistent is disappointingMy personal headcanon since Galaxy has been that (as depicted there) the Mario universe resets itself at irregular intervals, so everything is canon, but not necessarily to each reset.So Mario really was an American at one point, but after coming there he got pulled into the system of resets, leading to Baby Mario.The Koopalings were originally Bowser's children, but in some resets they aren't.Etc.You can easily expand this out to side games like Mario Kart, Paper Mario, etc. and even fanfiction (or just the subset of fanfiction you personally like).This is a very intricate way to essentially throw your hands in the air regarding the constant inconsistencies, but there is some justification for it and it feels right to me.No matter how bad things get in the Mushroom Kingdom, everything will go back to how it was. Just like no matter how bad your life gets, you can start your favorite game over again and everything will be there exactly how you remember it.
>>11394121Almost every sort of outside media to FFI and even the remakes insists it's a flying castle that just so happens to have some high-tech entities inside it.
It's just fucking Mario, okay?
>>11393864>They also flip flopped for a while on if Mario came to the Mushroom Kingdom from Brooklyn or if he had been born and raised there, and that goes all the way back to Yoshi's Island. The recent movie is one of the only times something is clearly a different canon, but with it reestablishing the story to a lot of people they'll probably stick to the Brooklyn origin. Or more likely just keep changing it to whichever is more convenient for them at that point in time.Early Mario was not that thought out from a story stand point and Mario was known as Jumpman who would be an everyman construction worker who could be slotted into any game or setting as needed. So he saves a lady from a King-kong like Ape on a construction site, then later they put him into a fairy tale story where he rescues a princess from a dragon. But Mario could be anything - a referee at a boxing match, anything. He was just their version of Micky Mouse. For whatever reason, Nintendo has decided to make everything coherent again starting with Odessy. The lady he rescued in Donkey Kong is named Pauline, who has gone on to become the mayor of New Donk City. Presumably this is where Donkey Kong got his name. New Donk City is a modern New York City style city replete with normal humans.So does this mean that Mario and Peach come from there? Who knows! the original Super Mario bros leaned heavily into fairy tale and thus medieval to early modern warfare with castles, kingdoms, airships, wooden tanks, etc.
I've got a theory.Eternal Darkness is pseudo-sequel to Blood Omen. It is incredibly flimsy with very little evidence but I have something there.>Moebius' voice continues into Pius>An unnamed God named Hasha'gik is associated partially with colors like Yellow, and there is a missing God in Eternal Darkness associated with the color Yellow.>The Nine Pillars of Nosgoth\The Nine Pillars of the Forbidden City beneath the Roivas Manor.Again, this has very little evidence but I can possibly reconstruct a hypothetical lore here.>Hasha'gik is one of the five Ancients, and one of the four imprisoned by Mantorok.>The Pillars have a city grown up around them, and over a long period of time it becomes buried beneath what becomes the Roivas Manor.>Moebius' essentially reincarnates into Pius Augustus.>The Pillars remain, but have greatly diminished over time.>Alexandra Roivas is the new Balance Guardian, while everyone you played as during the game is an aspect of each Pillar, and when they die their essence returns to the Pillars.>Nine Aspects plus one.all of this is predicated on Kain having taken the other choice, however, to sacrifice himself. This is alll made with the Original Lore of Blood Omen, though, so no Hilden, nothing like that.
>>11394176>An unknown God*God damnit Im tired.
>>11393241>in order to defeat them you throw them into lava to burn aliveIT'S A KIDS GAME.
>>11393423Miyamoto always seemed like a weirdo faggot. Hes got gay face. Can't trust a man with gay face.
Nintendo has always been inconsistent with Mario lore. They care about the gameplay and anything else is an afterthought which is good or bad depending on who you are.Let's not forget Bowser's brother from Super Mario Bros 2j, what happened to him?When Bowser Jr was made the Koopalilngs had basically been retired. He pretty much looks like the Koopa Kids from Mario Party. Oh and by the way, remember baby Bowser from the Yoshi games? He got a redesign and now looks exactly like Bowser Jr.Pauline? Is that Lady or not? Nintendo has been inconsistent if the original girl kidnapped is Pauline or not.
>>11393412Just because they're not his children doesn't mean there not his kids. There's a difference between being a father and a dad.
I think the big takeaway is that not every game is meant to have in depth lore and it's all just meant to be a bit of cartoonish fancy. And frankly if you're the kind of person who scrutinizes Mario lore you got the worst tism.
>>11394302Sonic tism was always worse.
>>11394121In the original sense? Implication at an aspect that there was once a higher civ. level on the world. A carryover of the times due to Wizardry and Ultima though.>tfwywn have Bahaumut fight Tiamat using the weapons he ripped off WarMECH.
>>11393241i haven't seen this pic since i was a childliterally decades
>>11393423>the gigaleak has an e-mail of how he allegedly told other employees not to credit their staff for Star Fox in the game’s creditsI can't find anything about this.
>>11394148Go away poop breath
>>11393241I would fuck the shit out of Wendy Koopa. I wanna nut all up in that nasty dragon/turtle snatch.
>>11394264YOU TAKE THAT BACK, GAIJIN SCUM
>>11394286>Pauline? Is that Lady or not? Nintendo has been inconsistent if the original girl kidnapped is Pauline or not.They've taken a firm stance that Lady=Pauline as of her Smash trophy. I like to think Nintendo saw what was going on with Ado/Adeleine and was horrified with HAL's lackadaisical attitude, so for once they did the equivalent of sitting their fans down, looking them in the eyes, shaking them by the shoulders, and yelling at them right in the face.Anyway not sure if this counts given recent remakes but the Chancellor/Minister and Toadsworth are so similar they use the same signature catchphrase in Japanese, and Toadworth's Japanese name, Kinoji, could double as a clipping of the former's, KINOko daiJIn. According to Mario Wiki, possibly only the remake's Chinese translations picked up on it. Considering the Super Mario RPG cast's spotty legalities, this may have something to do with Toadsworth's mysterious erasure in -new- games (ie.remakes exempt).
>>11394459protip: "allegedly" means "i made shit up"
>>11394121Idk OP just asked for lore and I couldn't think of anything weirder from the NES era.
>>11395289this blew my mind when someone told me it was a sunken airship, it's so obvious after the factthat ?-Ball you collect at the end is just like what boom-boom drops when you squash his ass in smb3, and shows up only in that leveli wonder what the thought process was behind making it a HAUNTED sunken air ship.. and that long fall after the swimming section. truly a standout level with an interesting idea behind it.
>>11395223Sucha weird characters, showing up as if they were always there and then vanishing as soon as they appeared. Tho I will say the chancellor makes more sense and had potential, giving Peach an actual second-in-command. Toadsworth's role was boring in comparison and could've been filled with practically any run-of-the-mill castle toad, he just had a unique design.Fun fact: the chancellor had a different phrase for Mario in proto builds, "-sama" instead of "-dono". Someone legitimately looked at that in development and thought "-sama" was too strong.
why didn't mario just fly down from the ice level cliff?
>>11394146I think Miyamoto said Mario was supposed to be like Mickey Mouse where Mickey just could be anything the plot demands it almost like an actor regardless of canon. A Sorcerer's apprentice, Prince and the Pauper, 3 Musketeers and etc. Especially in the older shorts. Which is also why Mario Bros 3 has a stage play motif. It just doesn't work as well as Mickey because he doesn't change enough to where it's obvious and he's always in the same role. I could also have made this up I never bookmarked an interview from anyone in my life to prove anything.
>>11395296>SMB3 is a playMore like a theater reenactment at best, but it's obvious from later games that the events of SMB3 actually were real and did happen.
>>11395315More -samas for Wario then!
>>11395329>smb3 mario is not actually mario but just an actor playing as him
I always thought Waluigi might have been Foreman Spike because of this but then they brought Spike back in the movie and maybe even before then.
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>>11395356>the play is hosted at peach's castle in sm64 because of the checkered floorwoah
>>11395296I thought this was neat too.
>>11395361wtf that's cool
What the fuck was this thing? I know modern kirby games got crazy background lore but even back then there was some weird shit.
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>>11395368That's the real Kirby
>>11395364>>11395361Much smaller but I always liked this reference to Zelda 1 in Oracle of Seasons too. It started as a remake of Zelda 1 so it has some carry overs.
>>11393241Lemmy Koopa... I wonder if Miyamoto is/was a Motorhead fan...
>>11395424apparently miyamoto didn't make em >>11393789
>>11395478They also didn't have names initially, someone at NOA named them and Japan took those names afterwards. It's why they have completely different names in the cartoons.
As far as I know the Yoshi no Tamago lore hasn't been retconned and still works as additional lore to SMW and the Yoshi species as a whole
>>11395228Allegedly means "i made shit up"
>MMPU erased picrel>>11395490I don't know what that is but Yoshis are apparently their own thing more closely related to Koopas than dinos now, with the saddles being identified as shells (granted there ARE shelled dinosaurs).
>>11393559And this is why the lower part revolves around itself. It's not "magical" or a senseless maze for the sake of it, the place genuinely revolves around itself, just imagine you're walking around some giant tube in space like the colonies in Gundam
>>11393412honestly them being his children makes zero sense in superstar saga so i see why they changed it. like, what did they just think THIS was him having a bad day?
>>11394309Someone being worse doesn't make you good.
>>11395657According to an official book, the Yoshi we know are sort of smaller versions of ancient, giant Yoshi. They went instinct but the egg shells remained around and other creatures (namely goombas, boos, and other familiar Mario enemies) used them as shelter. Because 5 shooting stars fell from the sky (from Native Star aka Star World in SMW), either by sheer luck or due to some star magic going on, the broken egg shells got together, forming the original shells again, trapping the creatures inside. From that egg, modern Yoshi is born
>>11394181It's not lava, it's just spicy water.Real lava is about as dense as rock, you can't really sink into it.
>>11393423>Absolutely wild how Miyamoto has constantly gaslit his fans on all the stuff he’s ever said; like admitting Alice in wonderland influenced SMB then proceeded to pretend he never said so. That said, the only reason those characters were retconned was because he wanted to make Bowser Jr, his illustrative creation, the only child. The koopalings were Tezuka’s idea among other staff members and funny enough, Jr was born out of wanting to copy Camelot’s Kid Koopa from Mario Party; which wasn’t his idea to begin with (a mini me like bowser).Or he making that PR disaster video defending Illumination's shit take on Peach and him gaslighting peopl3 into believing "SHE'S ON PAR GUYS"Miyamoto has been in "who gives a fuck" autopilot for at least a decadr.
>>11395223I never understood why Nintendo just didn't outright buy the original characters and IP of Mario RPG. It's not like Square could even do anything with them. This is the same company that trademarked "its on like Donkey Kong" and bought the rights to an unofficial 1993 Mario movie porno parody.
>>11395349My headshit, is that Waluigi is a reincarnation of Demon Head. After Wario defeated the elder demon, it reformed itself into a visage of the being that managed to destroy it, with a completely wiped, amnesia memory to what it was.
As a kid, i thought the old Yoshi elder in Paper Mario, was the green Yoshi from Yoshi's Island. Modern Yoshi being the one that hatches at the start of Yoshi Story.
Does Mega Man 3 still take place on different mining colony planets, or was that a localization addition?
>>11395884The Mario RPG deal was made to avoid that on purpose. Square didn't want to put in all this work just for nintendo to get all of it. If it became a franchise square wanted to keep their characters in those games to be a selling point. If Nintendo could just put those characters in any game, it devalues a mario RPG 2 appearance.
>>11393836It shows one of the koopa kids in the clip, there's a cameo of a koopa kid in mario sunshine.
>>11395925Yeah, but i mean its been almost 30 years. I get it if they had been doing sequels right away or merch based off those characters, but its done them no benefits financially till the remake and the very few times its been re-released. Just seems like such a waste in all avenues. People would love to see Mallow, Geno and Booster show up in Mario Kart, but Nintendo probably would never bother to pay for every cameo.
>>11395938It's not about them profiting off it. It's about keeping it so no one else can.
>>11395923I always assumed all the mines were set on Earth.
>>11395957That sounds incompatible with Square-Enix's very mantra of existence.
>>11395223This reminds me of that dreadful SMRPG romhack situation. RHDN anti-Woolsites acting like they've cracked the code, even using the Chancellor as a prime example of something they "fixed" and so totally socked it to Woolsey. Only it turns out they should've kept their mouths shut because the dude making the FULLER romhack was a wikibro (he also translated >>11395490 and >>11395315) who saw that they were stealing everything they can find at the wiki, and the Toadsworth connection was one of many things he specifically left out of mainspace until he got his own hack out after the remake. Imagine making that the cornerstone of your hack and then it turns out there was a right and a wrong answer, but you refused to listen to the guy who laid over half the info on the wiki because he didn't hate Woolsey enough to be in your little cool kids' club. Nintendo probably saw the "wow look at the names guys these are canon now" buzz and used it as an excuse to dumb down Yaridovich.Also fact: Baby Yoshi says Mario's cookies get him pregnant and somehow despite being a beeg meme no one knew this before wikibro's hack, have fun with that cursed knowledge.>>11395884I like to think the 1-2-3 punch of the SMRPG remake, TTYD remaster and M&L sequel on Switch was Nintendo testing the waters and seeing which RPG the fans respond to better. The original SMRPG co-director has said he that wants to make a true sequel as his magnum opus before retirement. If the M&L sequel wasn't received as well as expected, there's a decent chance they'll either make a new old-style PM or take a chance and make a SMRPG sequel. The official Mario portal website lists SMRPG as its own series, which may be a sign that it's in the cards.>>11395925The hindsight on that one must've been a bitch too.>>11395938>Booster Pass>No BoosterI know there's a translation difference but with MK8D throwing in everything and the kitchen I'm almost surprised they didn't wrap it up as a SMRPG remake tie-in.
>>11395368Yeah they show up in a few levels and you can never interact with them. Some people think they were meant to be "Kirbies who are not THE Kirby" and others treat them as some weird one off mystery species.>>11394146Funny you say that, I've had the same headcanon more or less. With the exception that cause sometimes past games DO get referenced again, the world can spontaneously shift 'back' to a previous version. Seeing someone else with the same idea makes me feel a little better about my headcanon autism.>>11395328This is also true, there's a running visual theme throughout the series that everything is a performance, or a book, or whatever else. Shiggy's said he sees the characters kind of like an acting troupe, and each new game is a new performance they're putting on.>>11395223I always saw the Chancellor as a proto-Toadsworth but I didn't know that about the Japanese names of the characters. He's probably still different enough that they can claim full ownership of him though.
>>11395925nta but I'm mostly surprised Square managed that, probably because of how big their Japanese reputation was. I don't know of a single other instance where a third party worked on a Nintendo series and were able to keep the rights to any of the new characters they made for it. Actually there is one non-retro instance, probably the rabbids Mario characters are partially owned by Ubisoft since they're a permutation of an Ubisoft owned character. But that's the only other thing I can think of. Nintendo might have had the opportunity to buy the character later down the road but after the smash autism over Geno there's no way Square are letting them go without charging for way more than they're worth.>>11395938Nintendo has always avoided putting RPG spinoff characters in other spinoff games for whatever reason. There have never been Paper Mario or M&L characters playable in sports, party, etc either despite Nintendo owning them.
>>11395979>I like to think the 1-2-3 punch of the SMRPG remake, TTYD remaster and M&L sequel on Switch was Nintendo testing the waters and seeing which RPG the fans respond to better.They're probably comparing the sales of TOK and the TTYD remake as well. There has been a surge of Mario RPG spinoffs lately.>I know there's a translation difference but with MK8D throwing in everything and the kitchen I'm almost surprised they didn't wrap it up as a SMRPG remake tie-in.The vast majority of content in the mario kart dlc has been reused stuff from the mario kart mobile game. They're more likely to add Monty Mole or Penguin Suit Toad than characters from RPGs.
>>11395897that's a neat idea
>>11395368Deepest lore
>>11395368>I know modern kirby games got crazy background lore Modern Kirby is shit>not like Zelda>is actually like nu-Zelda
>>11396151It used to be that Dream Land was populated with a whole race of Kirbies, then Sakurai started pushing around the time of the anime that Kirby was a totally-unique creature, while the origins of similar characters like Meta Knight and Marx are intentionally kept vague.
>>11396165>Kirby was a totally-unique creatureWhat about Keeby?https://wikirby.com/wiki/Keeby
>>11395874Oh yeah, this.
>>11396179From before the time of anime synergy.
>>11394309Most of it is rooting from Trekkie tism or japanese occultism
>>11396191>before the time of anime synergy>Keeby was properly named in a game for the first time in Kirby's Dream Buffet (2022)
>>11394309>whataboutism
>>11395979Oh, yeah, what's the fuller romhack called? I've only seen that lazy ripoff that came first.
>>11395704Based
>>11395963The instructions refer to them as "mining worlds" but I almost feel like "worlds" here might be some mangled translation from Japanese or the English manual writer just trying to gussy up the plot a bit.
>>11396350Some time ago there was a thread with a similar write up about how FF2 and FF9 (I think it was those two anyway) take place in the same world, just in distant times from each other.
>>11393241Always thought they had the most personality of any Mario character for a long time. Nearly everything else is just some mean faced minion or happy faced hero. >>11393545What makes people question it is that it makes less sense for Bowser's highest level henchmen to be a group of kids. It makes more sense for a father to put his kids in charge of armies. Plus it's just an easier explanation that one does not have to think too much about.
>>11396424A whole portion of the game is devoted to Ramuh recapping Josef's story arc from FFII as part of Garnet's trial.
>>11395329It really didn't. That's why it has places that never appear again like Big Island and Pipe Maze never appear again, along with Mario having a lot of different costumes like Frog Suit and Hammer Bros suit. It's all stage play.
>>11393412Does it matter? Bowser treat his army like his family.
>>11396568>Always thought they had the most personality of any Mario character for a long time. Nearly everything else is just some mean faced minion or happy faced hero.yeah i agree. the mario-rpg games were way better at creating memorable casts of bad guys.
>>11396154Good.I mean it, I'm not being sarcastic or ironic. Kirby shouldn't be treated as serious business, it's Kirby. I want its directors to have full creative liberty when creating games for it, and not being blocked by questioning themselves where should a game fit in some bullshit timeline.In fact, Hyrule Historia defying an official timeline for Zelda did more harm than good.
>>11396659Are you some basedcuck beta provider raising another man's child?
>>11396826>Kirby shouldn't be treated as serious business, it's Kirby. I want its directors to have full creative libertyUnfortunately, that goes both ways, and long ago the devs decided that Kirby is indeed, serious buisness, atleast as far as they have handled the plots, bosses and settings. Infact, I would say the only thing holding them back from going full on sonic autism with the IP, is the origins of the game establishing itself as a cutsey, laid-back game, so they have to still make an attempt conveying some of that in the early sections.
>>11393594It's possible. Another thing I want to note is that when Nintendo DMCA'd Vimm, they didn't make them take down ANY Starfox game, not even the ones available on NSO.
>>11393423>funny enough, Jr was born out of wanting to copy Camelot’s Kid Koopa from Mario Party; which wasn’t his idea to begin with (a mini me like bowser)I haven't played a Mario Party game in almost a decade, but I genuinely remembered it being Bowser Jr in Mario PartyShows how similar they are
>>11393241>>11393412>Morton Koopa Jr>son of Bowsertf you talking about?
>>11396350I always liked FF1 subtle world building. If you ignore it all, it's just a fun adventure. If you think about it then things don't add up, till you frame it like this. The world was falling apart and the isolationists are the ones that end up saving it. I love FF10 for actually doing the full blown advance civilization is from 1000 years ago.
>>11395989Nintendo didn't think they'd lose square to sony either. FF7 was developed on the N64 for a time. These companies know how valuable characters are. We'll never know what kind of deals Square or Nintendo may have tried to make over the years. Square also made similar deals with Disney on KH. That the KH characters are square characters, not disney characters. That franchise keeps making games though, so it keeps making both of them money.
