I think Altered Beast is fun
>>11479446i think doom is a pretty good game
>>11479446That ain't controversial. I'll give you a truly controversial opinion: I prefer the GBA game to the original Altered Beast.
>>11479678>That ain't controversialevery other month we get an "altered beast bad" thread
Games before 6th gen are not that bad
super mario world is pretty good actually
>>11479732that's not controversialI think everyone on /vr/ already played it so much that they got bored, so they forgot how great it isthat or they're just contrariansmy controversial opinion: DKC 1 > 3 > 2
>>11479446>Controversial /vr/ opinionsSuper Mario 64 is severely outdated and not fun to play in any way. There, I said it.
I think NSO is fine.
Sonic was good before Adventure
>>11479446Reading/watching an LP is a valid way to experience a game.
>>11479679>every other month we get an "altered beast bad" threadAltered Beast is judged as the pack-in title and the majority opinion is that while an okay game it falls far short of other pack-in's in terms of widespread appeal. It just wasn't the major system seller that Sega needed and despite that it spent 25 months(US) as the face of the console before being replaced by Sonic the Hedgehog. Even though Sega launched with slim pickings, it probably should have been replaced after a few months by a more popular game. The conclusion people usually come to in these threads is that if Altered Beast hadn't been the pack-in it would've been judged on its own merits and go down as a pretty good port of an okay 80's arcade title, similar to the Genesis port of Golden Axe.
>>11479737>my controversial opinion: DKC 1 > 3 > 2Huh, you rank them the same as me. I know DKC 2 is the best game, I just don't like it as much personally.
>>11479678Here's an even more controversial opinion: I'd rather the NES version..... Said no one ever...
>>11479446>Controversial /vr/ opinionsSMB2J sucks ass and is not fun to play, SMB2U is a far superior SMB sequel.
>>11479841That's not controversial, it's just that smb2j fans are an extremely vocal minority for some odd reason.
>>11479743And yet it's still the best 3D platformer Nintendo ever made. Kinda sad desu.
>>11479446I agree. Only millennials and zoomers hate it because the internet told them to.
Sonic Advance trilogy = Genny trilogyTopdown/Isometric Sonic > Full 3D Sonic (direction wise)Sonic R > Sonic Riders (just let Sonic run on his feet for once while racing man, Rivals doesn't count btw)
Bubsy 3D is not that bad and has better water stages than Crash and Spyro.
Sonic is an illusion produced by the Mandela effect and his games never existed. Grand Theft Auto is ONLY any good with a top-down camera and only as long as you limit yourself to driving cars with warm colors (yellow, red, etc.). The original arcade Punch-Out!! is better than literally the entire fighting game genre. The Mask of Zorro for the GBC is the purest (in design) video game ever made. Q*bert is an allegory and should be taken much more seriously than it is.
Doom 3 is the best Doom
How do you discern between a controversial opinion and a contrarian post on /vr/?
>>11480586>The original arcade Punch-Out!! is better than literally the entire fighting game genre.I unironically believe this. It's one of the arcade games that really stands out from my childhood. I was never good at it but I always played it. Something about the huge characters made it awesome.
Altered Beast is fucking awesome.
>>11479841This but the opposite
>>11480586>Q*bert is an allegory and should be taken much more seriously than it isWym
>>11480586Refreshing 'tism
>>11480843Contrarians do not budge in the slightest and won't actually expand much on their points or give a large amount of examples. They also lack in original screenshots.
>>11480843Contrarian just want to shit on popular games/brands
>>11479764golden axe is better
>>11479446Mario 2 (also known as Mario madness) is the best of the NES trilogy
>>11479446Agreed, I've always liked it. It might not be terribly fast-paced but it has bags of character, style, and it's fun to 1cc>>11479743That's not controversial that's just retarded
>>11479679we get these of multiple games
>>11479743This is most N64 games if I am being honest.
>>11479446“Retro” ends with the 16 bit era. Maybe a grace period to the very early parts of 32/64 bit era but nothing about the PS2 on feels retro in the slightest.
>>11481563I think 5th gen is still retro through and through, even if some games are pushing it, but the games feel distinct from modern crap. I don't get that feeling with 6th gen games (Dreamcast excepted), they feel like modern crap with worse graphics and without microtransactions
>>11481563This wasn't controversial for old /vr/
>>11481581People barely discuss 8bit/16bit era anymore on here. The rule change did a number on this place.
I think the Rygar reboot is better than God of War.
>>11481578Yeah that’s why I said I would include a grace period. I think the early days of the fifth generation are actually really fascinating and very experimental as far as gameplay and graphical styles. I guess my cut off would be whenever it was decided that polygons would be the primary graphical style of games going forward.>>11481585Need a /v2k/ board honestly
>>11479446Mechanically its alright, a bit mediocre in the grand scale.The presentation, the sound and the transformations are really charming and memorable though. It deserves some praise.
>>11479737Is your ranking of DK1 based upon the the presentation of the games or the mechanics.Because mechanically DKC1 is by far the worst of the three. Diddy can't even throw barrels properly while standing on the ground.2>3>1 on game design1 = 2 > 3 on aesthetics/soundNone of them are bad or even close to it though
>>11479446The Saturn was better than the N64
>>11481687Nta but 1 is my favorite for a bunch of intangible reasons - the mass amount of hype, the fact it more or less won the 16 bit war for Nintendo
>>11479446Anything below 16-bit isn't worth playing / emulatingPeople enjoy collecting retro games / roms more than actually playing the fucking games
>>114794465th gen is garbage, with the PSX taking the number 1 shit spot due to popularity defining the generation but it suffers from poorly designed hardware (e.g. didn't even include an analogue stick in the base controller). Most games just play like a 4th gen game but with worse graphics.
>>11481703Agree except for Castlevania 1 and 3, they look good for 8-bit and the gameplay is very fun
>>11481703Get out
>>11481705And loading times. You have boot up screens. Unskippable developer and publisher screens. Loading before the title screen. Loading before option screens. Memory card checks. Loading before the game starts. Any game like this cannot be retro.
>>11481712Truth hurts doesn't it?
>>11480843Contrarians always reveal themselves if pressed because they find increasingly weird and pathetic ways to justify their opinions that make them sound insane out of context
>>11479446I think Dragon Quest 1 is perfect.I think Breath of Fire 1 is the worst JRPG ever made. I think every Mega Man X game is worst than the last and starting with 3 they are just outright bad.
>>11481721You are correct about MMX. The first game is perfect and all the sequels fail to capture that magic.
>>11479446Sonic isn't that fun to play.You wanna go fast, but you miss stuff and backtracking sucks. Its kinda fun when you go fast but touching any hazards fucks all your shit up and u gotta regrab rings and shit. Feels like the game is constantly trying to make you stop having fun, outside of the few zoomy set pieces where you really just have to hold 1 direction anyway
>>11481734Skill issue
>>11481736Also Sonic is gay and autists and furrys touch their peepee thinkin about him
>>11481585Maybe because there just isn't that much to say about kiddie platformer games.
>>11481745Well, why don't you talk about Portopia or Power Monger then?
MGS1 is the worst of the original MGS trilogy. Still great, but MGS2 and MGS3 both surpassed it.
>>11479446TFTD was better than UFO defense, anyone calling it "just a reskin" should not be trusted.
>>11481734You're supposed to be not just fast, but fast enough to react. Or memorize the level, it would be even less fun if you'll just zoom through the level and call it a day.My biggest complain for retro Sonics is that there really too much platforming, instead of levels built around said fast movement. Especially in 1, there are too many things that intentionally slow you down.
>>11479446The Neo Geo sucked and only had Street Fighter II clones to offer, even in the late 90s when the world moved on.
Mega Turrican is better than Super Turrican, but Super Turrican II is better than both, on par with Amiga T2.
>>11481563>but nothing about the PS2 on feels retro in the slightest.devs were still experimenting with 3d control schemes and middleware was still a prominent part of the console library. these clear the bar of slightly retro.
Mario 64 was revolutionary for it's time but it's incredibly frustrating to go back and play nowadays to the point that it's more fun to just listen to it's soundtrack when you get nostalgic for it.
>>11481585Yeah I always felt that was the problem with moving the timeframe up to more recent gens. It's just natural that it'll skew the discussions in that direction even more than would be proportionate to the change itself. I do think 5th gen is a good cutoff and don't mind including it. I liken the distinction between 5th and 6th to Schopenhauer's distinction between sculptures and wax figures in The Metaphysics of Fine Art.
>>11481721Isn't that Mega Man X opinion pretty much consensus?
Bad Street Brawler is a fun game and not just fun to laugh at. The gameplay itself is pretty good. There's something satisfying about hitting an enemy at just the right distance away from the edge of the screen so that they keep bouncing right back into your next attack.
>>11479446I love an exaggerated glow/halation/bloom effect on CRT shaders. It reminds me of that glow from playing on a CRT in a dark room as a kid and, even if the real thing doesn't look like that, to me it's about being accurate to my memories more than to the real thing.
>>11481929Maybe among general gamers but Mega Man X series fans have some weird tastes. It honestly kind of reminds me of Sonic fans.
>>11481970That does look pretty awesome. A bit too blurry for me though, I keep wanting to refocus my eyes somehow to make it look better. Unpleasant. But yeah the glow is magical.
>>11479446thats a controversy? i thought it was good for the time. only thing i hated is the "it was all a play" ending
>>11479446Altered Beast is great fun until the final bossThe Rhino literally cheats and decides when his entire body is a hitbox and when it isn’t Sometimes you can dash through him, sometimes you can’t Also one continue for the whole Genesis release? I used all my fucking lives on the Rhino because he stun locks you
>>11482406Thanks! I know it's quite blurry, I like the look because I feel it blends the pixels well creating more of an illusion of things being more rounded, losing that raw pixel look even more, though I get that it's not everyone's cup of tea. I can share the settings if you'd like, then you can set it up, but turning up sharpness to get the same look, but not blurry, it's crtglow_gauss.slang with custom parameters.
>>11479679is not even a /vr/ thing, old communities used to shit on it at the time as well, the concept was too ridiculous for people, and then you had people accusing it of being a furry game.For me? AB is the best game team shinobi ever made.
>>11481221golden axe wasn't ready for launchamong the launch titles altered beast is the best pack-in just because it's very obviously technologically on another level from NES on the first screen with the big colorful arcade sprites and an arcade style easy first stage to let everybody mash on it. The other options were space harrier games that alienate a lot of people or a horizonal scrolling shooter that didn't look that advanced.problem is they should have already swapped something else for christmas 1989, never mind 1990
>>11481878why aren't there any chicken nugget shapes that tessellate
>>11482683Hmm I really should play around with shaders some more. No need for settings, I'll just take whatever college course a person needs to become capable of hunting down the shader settings in RetroArch's menu dungeon and then mess around with all of them myself.
i did not care for metal gear solid. it's really janky and it pissed me off.
>>11479671I think TNT is better than Plutonia.
>>11479446Final Fantasy 8 is better than FF7 and FF9
most ps1 games need to be enjoyed in some kind of aesthetic adventure sense. purely as games most the best most of them can deliver is a sense of methodical procedure that's mildly satisfying.
>>11479764I think Sega were just going for a basic bitch game that was an arcade port and they didn't want it to be too good because they wanted people to buy more games. If they packed a genuinely good game with the system then maybe people wouldn't bother buying more games, so it wasn't too bad of a strategy.
>>11483114I think you'll enjoy it! I quite like tinkering with shaders myself, experimenting until I find what looks good to me, it's a great feeling and really enhances the playing experience I think. It can be tough to navigate RetroArch's menus at first, what's best from my experience is to just load up a ROM, and then access the shaders through the quick menu, and tinker until you like it. Cheers, anon! I hope you have a good time.
Zell is Ultimecia.
>>11479446I'd say both Sonic and Crash's OG trilogies were always good, they were out of this world back then and are still great to play nowadays too.
I think Altered Beast is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills Nef and doesn’t afraid of anything
>>11479446I like Altered Beast too anon, and I remember everyone used to shit on it back in the day, old game mags like EGM.It's not a MASTERPIECE and it's not my favorite arcade gauntlet but it's charming enough. The transformations give the game solid variety and figuring out how to use their unique abilities to beat each boss is fun.
>>11481929>>11482209I think every X game (except 4) has some declines in some areas (2 in not having as much of a story or cool presentation, 3 in a lot of things), but they're all generally decently crafted games at more or less the same tier of quality. Like if you played through x1 and said "this is fun" and then played a stage of x3 and said "this is SHIT" then you gotta be some kinda sperg because the level design is not THAT different, man.x4 is a game I used to dislike more but I replayed it recently (not in a single sitting, for some reason I always used to beat the game in one sitting and I think that actually interfered with my opinion of it) and it got boosted massively in my opinion. The level design - as X - is I think quite good. Zero is actually kinda not nearly as fun to play.
>>11485776X3 has noticeably worse design and is a lot less fun to play. The main issue imo is that the respawn threshold is really small so enemies reappear even with the slightest backing up. Also one of the more common enemies in the game (the thing with the spiked balls) has a hit box that deflects charged shits which is annoying. The music also really sucks. It’s hardly bad though I’ll agree.
>>11479446I love licensed video games... I grew up enjoying video games based on my favorite IPs and it's still how I like them, of course I play original IPs too, but licensed ones are often my favorites, even if a lot of licensed titles were subpar since they thought it didn't take anything other than the IP to sell, which they were right about. In a day off, or a weekend morning or afternoon at home, I think few things are more comfortable to me than to drink something nice while playing a movie licensed NES or Mega Drive title, those were the days.
>>11483324>If they packed a genuinely good game with the system then maybe people wouldn't bother buying more games, so it wasn't too bad of a strategy.That's a terrible fucking strategy. Not least of which because Genesis sales took off like a rocket the moment Sonic was packed in. Also basically no one buys a console and then never buys more games.
>>11481563>“Retro” ends with the 16 bit eraYes.
unless youre a japanese boomer, dragon quest was never good.earthbound is unironically the greatest game ever made.
>>11487203it's just dragon quest but in a modern setting
>>11487318it also has charm, wit, soul, unexpected craziness, the greatest ending ever, humor, an outlandish soundtrack, none of which can be found in DQ. the gameplay is the same but thats not what is important.
>>11485848What is your favorite licensed game, Anon?
I love Harmony of Dissonance and it's one of my favorite Castlevania games.I think the reason a lot of people don't like it is because they stop playing before Juste's movement options open up. Once he gets all of his abilities he can zip around the screen like a ricocheting bullet and he's incredibly fun to control.
>>11479947I always had this impression it was going to be shit because of the old message boards claiming it was one of the worst games on the system. I played it all the way through and had a blast on my first try. And anyone that remembers the Genesis and that game IRL loved it and usually bring it up as one of their favorites on the system.
>>11479446Megaman is boring and the soundtrack is overrated.
I fucking hate doom-style "hump the walls to look for hidden doors" style secrets and I'm glad they've been phased out. Stopping the action to go sniff around for incredibly easy to miss secrets isn't fun and whatever "enjoyment" you might get out of searching for them lasts precisely one time, then you just know where they are forever anyway.
Best Dragon Quests: 2 and 8Best Final Fantasy: 2 and 8Favourite Castlevania: Dracula XX (Dracula X SNES)Final Fight 3 > Final Fight 1Parasite Eve 2 > Parasite EveActraiser 2 > ActraiserDuck Tales 2 > Duck TalesTMNT 2 NES > TMNT 2 arcadeMost fun Metal Gear: Snake's RevengeFire Emblem Gaiden > FE1Undercover Cops SNES > ArcadeMajora's Mask and Mother 3 are trash, hipster trashDonkey Kong Land (1) > Donkey Kong Country (1)Resident Evil > Resident Evil (remake)JRPG gameplay peaked on Famicom and went downhill from thereVideo game "aging" is a compliment because it means it doesn't abide by shitty modern gaming designThe Ys trilogy on NES are great, Ys fans just say otherwise because they like to pretend it's "their computer games"
Forgot to mention Mega Man X 3 is my favourite MMX
>>11487832Most secrets in vanilla Doom 1 & 2 weren't that hard to find. Discolored or misaligned wall textures, little bumps on the floor, secret doors you could hear or even see opening somewhere close to you etc. etc.Community megawads though? Yeah, some authors are fucking dicks when it comes to switch hunts and other cryptic shit.
>>11487748It's hard to choose a single title... but if I had to go for it, probably QuackShot starring Donald Duck for the SEGA Mega Drive, I had it as a kid and, out of the licensed video games I've played based on IPs I'm fond of, like Donald Duck, it's probably the one that feels the most polished and premium, it's just a perfect video game in my eyes.
Sailing is my favorite part of wind waker
>>11479446Ocarina isn't even a top 5 Zelda.
>>11479446I think length is overrated. I used to see it as a plus when I was younger, I thought "Yay! More content from the stuff I like!" and I still see it that way somewhat, but it's crazy to me how short runtimes seem to be looked down on. Now I have way less free time, so if I see a title where a full playthrough takes less than 30 or even 20 minutes, that's actually quite appealing to me, even more so if it's a 10 or 15 minute difficult title where it's all about mastering that short burst, it's fun!
This board and every anon uses the word RETRO incorrectly.It doesn't mean what you think it means.And its current use was only created as a buzzword by companies to sell old things to neckbeards without really calling them old.The true meaning of RETRO is completely different from what you think.
>>11488440I've found myself heading in the opposite direction; I'm really starting to appreciate long games.Short games can be great too, but I feel like I have to try a lot of them to find one that's really good, and as soon as I do, it's over.Playing through a long game or series of games can be really tiring, but the process of slowly growing attached to characters and worlds is very rewarding. And when you do finally reach the climax and conclusion of a story you've been experiencing for multiple real life years, it's incredibly impactful in a way that's difficult for any one-and-done game to match, no matter how good.Maybe the ideal is somewhere in between like Touhou where it's an incredibly long series of very short games. Best of both worlds.
>>11488516>This board and every anon uses the word RETRO incorrectly.You are correct if going by the dictionary definition but words mean what they are used for. If everyone uses a word differently than the definition in a dictionary, than the dictionary is out of date. While technically games like Sonic Mania, Blazing Chrome or Shredders Revenge should be retro games while Sonic 3&K, Contra Hard Corps and Turtles in Time shouldn't be, that is simply not how the language has panned out.>And its current use was only created as a buzzword by companies to sell old things to neckbeards without really calling them old.True but the new definition has been fully adopted and has been in common use for over 20 years. Unless you can move several million people to a new word to free it up for "real" retro games, things will continue as normal.
>>11488574>common use for over 20 yearsdoubt
>>11488574While this is true, you still have to admit that seeing people call new games made in an old style "fake retro" is a special kind of dumb
>>11488587One of the first major emulation websites was named www.retrogames.com, it was created in 1998. There was an entire British magazine called Retro Gamer that was first published in 2004, they still run today.>>11488608>While this is true, you still have to admit that seeing people call new games made in an old style "fake retro" is a special kind of dumbYeah. Retro-style is usually the word I see used to get around it. Also labeling everything 2D as indie. I love many modern "retro-style" games but I hate that there is nowhere to properly discuss them. They get lost in the shuffle of big AAA games in general video game spaces and aren't allowed to be discussed in "retro" spaces. There really should be a catchy name for modern 2D games besides indie.
I think original Resident Evil 1 is better than Remake
>>11479764it had the look that separated it from kids' games
>>11479446OOT, MM and Wind Waker are all goodMario 64 is goodHalf-Life 1 and 2 are good and are not merely tech demoesQuake is good and is not merely a tech demoLuigi's Mansion is good and is not merely a tech demoMetroid Prime 1 and 2 are good and are not FPS games despite being first-person games where you shootGoldeneye is goodThese unironically have to be said because /vr/ is a shit board
>>11488629>first major emulation websites was named www.retrogames.com, it was created in 1998Yeah, but some stupid fags using the word incorrectly in the 90s doesn't make the use of the term correct today.Plus it's not like these sites are vastly popular or anything and everyone in the gaming industry and gamers in general was using the term retro.When did the word first appear on EGM, EDGE or Gameinformer?
>>11488957>doesn't make the use of the term correct todayDepends on your definition of correct is. If correct means the word that everyone uses to describe it in the real world, then yes. If correct means the definition in the dictionary and (You) are the only person who uses it that way... congrats on being correct I guess.>Plus it's not like these sites are vastly popular or anything and everyone in the gaming industry and gamers in general was using the term retro.>When did the word first appear on EGM, EDGE or Gameinformer?Here is a 2002 special edition of Edge magazine literally titled "Retro: The guide to classic videogame playing and collecting". I think at this point any further denial would be on the level of being a flat earther.
>>11489048So retro. Also>everyoneI didn't realize everyone was involved in the creation of that magazine.
>>11489048>If correct means the word that everyone uses to describe it in the real world, then yesThen by your definition, if most people adopt the term in question, then it is correct.Even if etymologically is incorrect.So if everyone agrees that a woman is any person who identifies like that, do you agree with this statement?
>>11489048did they use fuckin habbo hotel to make the cover
>>11489048>Here is a 2002 special edition of Edge magazine literally titled "Retro: The guide to classic videogame playing and collectinghere's an excerpt from your own very exemple, friendo
>>11479446This collection is not bad.
>>11489218>Then by your definition, if most people adopt the term in question, then it is correct.>Even if etymologically is incorrect.Yeah. That's how language works. Words can fall out of use, evolve or change. If I say "you look cool" you don't immediately start questioning me on how you look slightly cold. The word has new meaning and plenty of people argued at the time that it was wrong to call someone cool, now it is common tongue. Language is not the official dictionary, it is what is used.>So if everyone agrees that a woman is any person who identifies like that, do you agree with this statement?If the vast majority of people are using the term as such then it doesn't matter much if I personally disagree, it is now a common part of the language. Of course everyone does not agree, there are substantial camps on both sides arguing about it. That is not the case for the term retro gaming.
>>11489240Man is pushing back against the norm. Seeing as you are posting on /vr/ - Retro Games, it doesn't seem to have worked out to well.
>>11488569>Playing through a long game or series of games can be really tiring, but the process of slowly growing attached to characters and worlds is very rewarding. And when you do finally reach the climax and conclusion of a story you've been experiencing for multiple real life years, it's incredibly impactful in a way that's difficult for any one-and-done game to match, no matter how good.I get what you mean, and while I like this feel, the time isn't worth it for me, maybe I'm just too ADHD nowadays, but to each their own. Cheers.
>>11479841>>11480956These but they're both bad in different ways (but US is relatively much better for at least being WAY more interesting).
I fucking hate all of the Donkey Kong Country games. They're ugly to look at and middling, boring platformers. The only thing I'll praise is the music.
>>11482829You ask a dangerous question, friend.
>>11489319Video game fanatics who would ever use any of these terms are a small minority, 4chan is much smaller, and /vr/ is tiny. One barely literate demihuman succeeding at giving a tiny, marginal community an inappropriate name is not a sign of any major linguistic victory. "Retro video gaming" is not something most English speakers know or think about. If all English speakers in the world were commanded to define the term, surely more would speculate vaguely about something like Shovel Knight or whatever than would say it simply means "playing old games". Yes, huge crowds of retards do in fact create our language by repeating similar errors, but that hasn't really happened (yet?) in this case. It may appear to have done to the kind of creature that actually pays attention to gaming websites, but that says nothing about what normal people think.
>>11489048I want this as a poster.
>>11479446>Zelda 1 & 2 are the only good Zelda games>Castlevania COTM is the best Castlevania game>emulation is better than real consoles>CRT lovers are mentally ill>retro game collectors are mentally ill>retro gaming purist are mentally ill>rom hacks that fix bugs, improve translations, add QOL features, etc. should be encouraged to use and make the game better>Mega Man 6 is the best of the franchise
>>11481561I enjoyed BK a lot. M64 is abysmal, though.
I think retro games are better than modern games because developers were more limited on what they could do. For example super mario 64, if it was made now, they would have made one level for each star. But thanks to the limitation of memory in a cartridge, they found a better idea to fill all the stars in fewer well designed levels
>>11491103Is this really a controversial opinion though? I feel like most of /vr/ would agree
>>11481814>only had Street Fighter II clones to offer,nigga it literally had the first puzzle bobble, which gave birth to an entire generation of clonesnot to mention metal slug>>11482672>Also one continue for the whole Genesis release?yeah but it's easy enoughpc engine port gives you 3 continues or so, but the lack of i-frames means your character takes a lot more damage, and the bosses have their health buffed hard. you'll end up using an entire continue just to defeat the 2nd bosspc engine CD port of altered beast fixes the i-frames but the bosses still have a shitload of health>but muh system card 1.6 is required to pass stage 1theres a rom dump out there of a revision that fixes the game breaking bug, has a different name
>>11491103>For example super mario 64, if it was made now, they would have made one level for each star. But thanks to the limitation of memory in a cartridge, they found a better idea to fill all the stars in fewer well designed levelsYou never played Odyssey?
>>11489670>ugly to look atfound the raw pixel tard
>>11480843Contrarians are invariably INVARIABLY low effort "meh" posters.
I think Zelda games are good games for children and teens but to obsess for them as an adult as many here do is extremely weird and off putting. Everything about zeldafags screams arrested development .
>>11479446Tomb Raider 2 sucked just as hard as 3Mario 64 is terribleGoldeneye 64 was let down by its awful controlsFF8 is better than FF7Abes Exoddus is one of the best retro platformers ever made and I wish it got more of a following
>>11492157I also second this. Zelda is the most overrated franchise in history and it has the most obnoxious fanbase in gaming.
>>11492157Obsessing over anything is weird and usually just signals the person has some mental illness, condition, trauma, etc.
Claire Redfield > Jill Valentine
- Platform games are the most overrated shit on gaming, they are literally baby games- Bullet hell are not shmups- MGS and its consequences for the gaming industry were disastrous- Super Metroid is terrible, the fact that your rewards for exploration are just useless upgrades is taken into account and makes the situation worse- All, I said all 3D Zeldas are horrible- Final Fantasy Tactics gameplay is both slow and extremely basic. And its fame only lasts due to the lack of knowledge of tactical games on the part of those who played it.- Final Fantasy V is the best game in the series and no other has been able to replicate what it did. And all subsequent entries fell into the cinematic game trap.- Code Veornica is not as good as they claim.- Resident Evil Zero, on the other hand, is better than people claim- The House of Dead series is terrible and boring as hell- There is no reason to play fighting games on consoles. It's either arcade or nothing at all.- Metal Slug gameplay is terrible and extremely repetitive. Its fame is only due to its well-crafted visual- Shock Troopers, on the other hand, fell into oblivion even though it is far superior to Metal Slug.- Visual Novel are not video games
>>11492828So uh...what are your favorite games then?
>>11492828>- Visual Novel are not video gamesWhat about visual novels that also have gameplay elements, something like the Baldr series (Sky and Force are translated)?
>>11479446I hate this game but it was pretty much arcade perfect. Too bad the arcade game was also kinda shit.
>>11492215>Tomb Raider 2 sucked just as hard as 3Correct>Mario 64 is terribleIncorrect>Goldeneye 64 was let down by its awful controlsArguably incorrect>FF8 is better than FF7Correct>Abes Exoddus is one of the best retro platformers ever made and I wish it got more of a followingI wish the same.
The N64 Library is overall terrible. Even most of the first party games.
zelda 2 is the best zelda, the rest are literally for babies
>>11489283I've never heard anyone claim this was a bad collection.Though I guess the GameCube version specifically has a terrible, default d-pad.
>>11479446The Water Temple in OOT is the best temple
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>>11481563>>11481578Normalfaggots think RE4 is outdated and clunky
>>11481563>>11481578>>11481581>>11487185For me, game design was still on an upwards trajectory all they way until the end of the 6th gen. All the game design degeneracy started afterwards.
>>11481585>>11481620>>11481927The board is slow as hell. Your pre-5th gen threads are barely in any more danger of getting deleted than before.
>>11493910>Normalfaggots think RE4 is outdated and clunkyonly happened when the remake was announced. normies act on impulse and hype and are easy prey of propaganda
>>11493910>>11494380Everyone I knew thought it was clunky on release.
>>11494684>Everyone I knew thought it was clunky on release.Yeah, that's why it became an instant classic the minute it released, was shown with endless praise, and redefined the entire third person shooter genre. Because it was bad.
>>11494696No one I knew liked it. My friends and I rented it, hated the controls, and never gave it a second look.
>>11494706And then everyone clapped
>>11494715None of us had ever played a Resident Evil game, but RE4 was getting a ton of hype. When we played it and found out it was a third person shooter where you couldn't even move and shoot at the same time, we thought the controls were awful and the game was bad.
>>11494719>We got RE4 in 2005 and it didn't play like Gears of Wars, what a bummer!
>>11479446I think most people here would agree that Altered Beast is pretty fun. The only real issue is that it was stupid short. But it was iconic for what it was.
>>11483324>>11486028Segas concern was that if they package their best seller software with the console, they lose out all revenue from their best selling software. Tom Kalinske had to tell them that they are retarded, and eventually their CEO relented, saying "well, I hired you to sell the console, so I guess do whatever you feel like will sell the console".
>>11481563ps2 is 24 years old at this point
>>11494738>Gears of War was the first shooterUh... what?First of all, first person shooters and third person shooters didn't play all that differently back then; they were all run & gun affairs with the main difference just being whether or not you could see your character. Hell, Unreal Tournament and other PC FPS games had a hotkey to switch between first and third person camera view. Shooters were shooters back then, it wasn't so nuanced and all the modern baggage you expect in TPS games didn't exist at the time. RE4 slowing its gameplay to a crawl and not letting you move and shoot at the same time was absolutely jarring for us. We were told this would be a zombie shooter and what we got was a clunky turret simulator.
PS1 games are pretty mediocre
>>11479446above average gameplay with extremely above average aestheticssolid 8/10
>>11479446Master System > NESGame Gear > Game Boy/Game Boy ColorGenesis > SNESI know I come off as a fanboy, and that's fair, but by no means would I imply that they are objectively better, I just like them more, I like the looks and sound more, I like the IPs more, the controllers more, the backlit screen on the Game Gear even if it's battery drain was a pain, etc... SEGA was just the best for me, it's a shame that they were killed by their own stupidity.
>>11493445>>Mario 64 is terrible>IncorrectI just don't think it aged well. I play plenty of retro games and most play just as well today as they did back in the day, and then you have Mario 64 which was an early 3D platformer with all the problems you'd expect from it.
>>11479446>Controversial /vr/ opinionsOkay, here's one: Capcom's games in NES era were unpolished as fuck. That doesn't make the excessively bad; they are just feel lazy from certain angle of view. Like, we all can enjoy some Mega Man or Disney games but they could've been even better if weren't that rushed.On the plus side, Capcom copied themselves and not Nintendo/Sega like Konami
>>11494684>>11494696>>11494706>>11494715>>11494719Curiously, I came across this review not too long ago that was implying it was outdated as early as 2007 and comparing it unfavourably to Gears of Warhttps://www.actionbutton.net/?p=196>Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Biohazard (Resident Evil) 4 to the “Five years or less away from being considered ‘Retro Gaming'” club. The third version of this game (after the Gamecube original and the PlayStation 2 port) is for the Nintendo Wii, and the inclusion of precise, snappy motion controls simultaneously perfects the beautiful skeleton that’s existed for three years and exposes all the tiniest flaws to new scrutiny.>And that’s about it. As the old saying goes, it takes only one blinged-out young man with diamond-encrusted platinum teeth (we call those “ice teeth”) to steal a tricky ho off an old playah, and Gears of War has long held Resident Evil 4 over its thigh and spanked the ever-loving stuff out of it. If the game industry were working correctly (Protip: it’s kind of not), this is how it would be for the next couple of years: game A revolutionizes a genre, and then game B arrives, taking the revolution into account, while marrying the genre back into the family where it belongs and rendering game A pretty much irrelevant. Gears of War has perfected the Resident Evil 4 formula: the challenges are faster and the enemies are more thrilling to kill. The set-pieces are simple and more honest; in Gears of War, climbing up a staircase into a mansion feels meatier and more meaningful than the original Resident Evil‘s entire zombie-infested mansion. After Gears of War, Resident Evil 4 feels more like a frequently-interrupted stroll through some rustic horror film scenery.
>>11495178Capcom was effectively a whole different company after Street Fighter 2
>>11495189Man the 360 dominant era where amerifats thought microsoft was going to win console generations forever really showed who deserves to have their face caved in.
>>11495189the first years of the 360 were peak Japan hate hysteria among the press and the public
>>11495106>Master System > NESthe megaman games and the kunio kun games shit on the entire master system library collectively
>>11495189Tim Rogers was an early hipster type guy with lots of…non standard opinions especially for someone who was basically a giant weeb
>>11479446Super Metroid is clunky and overrated. Some level design decisions would be ok only for an early nes game
>>11479947it's silly, rough looking, and is well known enough to garner a reaction by being a pack in title. hate is definitely too strong, but it's rep as an infamous crappy/weird game is natural.
>>11495323This, what the fuck was worth playing on Master System asides from Final Bubble Bobble, Ninja Gaiden, the Sonic titles, and the World of Illusion series?
People dislike Altered Beast?Sidenote, I miss the Ancient Rome theme with early Sega, are there any games that use it besides Altered Beast and Bahamut Senki?
>>11479446gaming isnt even fun anymore as a boomer unless Im really high on drugs (which makes everything fun) but I cant do those anymore so now I never have fun. shitposting on here is more fun because its the closest I can get to being social.
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>>11495178OH NO NO THE BUGS MAN THE BUGS THAT MAKES IT UNPLAYABLE ECELEB SAVE ME FROM THE BUGS OLD GAMES ARE SO SHIT
>>11479446I like DK64
>>11495791He's not wrong though. Strider on the NES was really bad.
>>11495852The SNES games too sucked early on. They used small carts and slowram chips, UN Squadron and Magic Sword suffer from horrible slowdown and Final Fight is missing a lot of content and all those games don't have co-op. Later games like Street Fighter 2, Megaman X, Knight of the Round and such got a lot better but early on it was rough. I think Sega got away from this mostly by licensing and porting the games themselves. The Wily Wars wasn't Sega though and that was awful, Punisher also was underwhelming.
>>11495852Strider and a couple of early NES games are the exceptions in their library
>>11495189Fuck Tim Rogers, Bangai-o Spirits sucked
>>11495323True, which is why I've mentioned that I don't mean to say the Master System's better, just that I like it more, because, for example, I don't care much about the titles you've mentioned, I'd rather play a Sonic title, a Disney "Illusion" series title, etc. Nothing wrong with preferring the NES either, most do, but I disagree, a few titles don't "shit" all over the entire library of the Master System, if you explore the library more I'm sure you'll find a ton of gems to like, it's a stellar library.
>>11495705the aleste games weren't half bad
>>11497153>a few titles don't "shit" all over the entire library of the Master Systembut they doland of illusion is good but its a B game at mostwonder boy 3 dragon trap, the single most commonly agreed upon best master system game (except for phantasy star), has a superior version on the pc engine that doesn't run like a choppy mess
Bit of a niche one but Koudelka's combat is overly derided in the general assessment it gets online. It's often cited as it's fatal flaw when it's no worse than a standard turn based combat system a la FF or DQ, and it's a short game so it has even less time to grate the player than in those games. It's a personal GOAT and I've never understood it's most common criticism.
>>11481581>>11481585>>11481563so sad to see aging gamers in denial about fucking time passing. I played Wii and ds as a kid and now I'm 30 years old, it's been almost 20 years. Whenever you first came here to post about the 8/16 bit era out was probably a very similar amount of time since too. New will become retro as you GET OLD
>>11493359nta but surely then those are games, by force of them having gameplay, vs ones that don't. simple as, right? a platformer that has racing levels is a racer too, a platformer that doesn't have racing levels isn't a racer
>>11479446Altered Beast is fun. There's just not much to it and I don't feel a need to come back to it.
>>11490168>Zelda 1 & 2 are the only good ZeldaWhy ?>COTM is the best CastlevaniaWhy ? It's the weakest of the GBA trilogy and the worst of the Metroidvanias>Double-tapping to run>Player movement is completely fucked. Incredibly slow walk speed, high jump with very little forward momentum, only feels somewhat ok when you run, but see point 1>Weirdass wall jump, you lose all forward momentum towards the end and drop like a brick>Enemy movement and behavior doesn't match Nathan's, it's like the devs dropped a Classicvania character in a Metroidvania without bothering to finetune the gameplay and enemies>Projectiles out the ass from bosses>Can get fucked by offscreen projectiles from enemies and bosses too>No merchant or economy, because see next point>Everything besides the first 2 DSS cards and key items is a random drop, which is retarded>Needing to grind because enemies are bullet sponges, especially bosses>Art direction varies between meh and ok>Good soundtrack but not enough original tunesCotM isn't fun to play, and most of all it's annoying and tedious. Even Harmony Of Dissonance is miles ahead of it in terms of quality, its biggest flaw being that it's too easy
>>11498087>COTM>needing to grindI can tell you suck at the game. Literally just spam the crucifix, and you can cakewalk through basically the entire game, including the arena. >grinding for items is badSo you hate all Diablo-like games? I assume you hate all JRPG and any games with a lootbox/gacha system, right? You don't even need the cards, they just make things easier.
>>11497894westies think turn based combat is sacrilegious unless it's persona, pokemon or a CRPG
>>11498340>Spam the crucifixBoring as fuck, I like to experiment with subweapons and still prefer fighting with the whip. Maybe I exaggerated a bit for the grinding, it's only really necessary for bosses because they're damage sponges and shred you in seconds if you haven't grinded enough. Also, I never play Diablo-likes or any JRPG besides FF to unwind, and even then I don't grind for items because shit's boring. Also, gacha and lootboxes are for faggots. I know you don't need the cards, but I wish they were easier to drop since the DSS is very fun. Also, potions, armors etc. not being available in a shop is inexcusable. The rest of my points is still valid, CotM is still the worst Metroidvania in the series
>>11488639that's a reasonable opinion, unfortunately discussing the two games is forever ruined now thanks to the "haunted mansion" schizo posterIt's like Tomba 2, some games are just tainted
>>11498376So you want everything available for you without having to work for it, but do want to work for kills when you don't need to? Holy contradiction Batman! Try to make sense, at least. Bosses aren't hard, again, just spam the crucifix. The entire first playthrough can be beaten in under 24 hours and that's with discovering the entire map, minus secret rooms. It's the easiest Castlevania game.>The rest of my points is still validThey're all either opinions or a case of get good kid.
>>11497894Most people view the turn-based combat as a drawback to FF or DQ, and even more people hate dealing with grid-based positioning. Even FF or DQ fans often dislike any sort of "tactical" system that requires thinking about character movement/positioning in a turn-based game, and Koudelka's encounters aren't quite in-depth enough to satisfy FFTactics or Fire Emblem fans. Koudelka's combat falls into a niche of a niche by merging standard JRPG combat with a simple grid-based movement system, so it puts off a lot of people.
>>11498403>So you want everything available for you without having to work for it, but do want to work for kills when you don't need to?Reading comprehension motherfucker, I said I want the interesting part of the game (the DSS cards) to be more easily available, same for some gear, and I want bosses to be less damage sponge-y when you're at low level, it's not fun to wail on a boss for one hour and do 1HP of damage per hit. Ideally, i'd balance it in the same way as AoS : you can find cards and gear by exploring the castle, put some in secret rooms, have a few available in a shop, and have some of them dropped by enemies. Next, reduce the bosses' HP pool, but make their attack more dangerous and their patterns more complex. And of course, most of all, fix Nathan's shit movement and weird physics.
>>11498487>I want the interesting part of the game (the DSS cards) to be more easily available, same for some gearAgain, you don't want to work for things, but want to work to kill enemies as you said you want to use the whip and not the crucifix.>I want bosses to be less damage sponge-y when you're at low levelThe fuck? The entire point of any game with a leveling system is that you get stronger the higher level you are, and you're weaker at lower levels.Again, the game is already very easy, and you want to make it even easier by making the cards, gear, and weapons easily accessible. I think you should just admit you suck at the game and that's 90%+ of your problems.
>>11498512Working for killing enemies is fun and actually takes a modicum of skill, exiting and enteringg a room 50 times to kill the same trash mob in order to get a DSS card is tedious and boring, locking 9/10th of the DSS behind randow drops with low rates is retarded, it should be reserved for 1 or 2 overpowered cards.>leveling systemI don't have any gripes with that, I just wish I didn't have to grind 6 or 7 levels for the boss to be able to beat the boss in less than an hour. >The game is very easyYeah it's not particularly difficult, just boring and tedious compared to the other Metroidvanias because of poor balance, baffling game design and shit physics. And since you're being such a faggot I'm gonna start a new playthrough asap so I can prove you wrong
>>11498587So the game isn't particularly difficult and yet all you do is complain that it's difficult, including in the very same post. You're just one giant contradiction. You want A while not wanting A. Fucking useless and pointless. Keep posting, though, I won't see it. You're clearly just really shit at the game.
>>11497403What I'm trying to get at is that there being superior titles on other libraries, or superior versions of titles, which is the case for pretty much every arcade port, doesn't make the Master System's titles suddently not good and/or not worth playing, when you compare it to most consoles ever made, it's library is way up there, but it's always treated as a subpar console with no games, I don't get it.
there is literally not a single game on the genesis I enjoy playing
>>11479446the mainstream opinion isn't that altered beast is bad, it's that the genesis port could have been better.
>>11499274https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iC7v6sPFwthe pringles tie-in game was pretty good.
