1 dead hoarder, 100 dumped prototypes. Happy new Year and thanks to his son for doing the right thing and dumping them after dad kicked the bucket. https://hiddenpalace.org/News/Happy_NES_Year
>>11487147>SUPER DUPER GREAT RESCUE GUYS>Its all Barely different protos with maybe some different sprite and glitched tilesCall us when someone steals Tim Stampers SNES KI2 and Twelve Tales protos and dump them online.
>>11487147>As a bonus, Frank Cifaldi offered a prototype of the previously unseen Scanner.I fucking hate the "preservation" scene sucking this faggot's dick so much, it's all about his own ego rather than actually preserving the history of video games.
>>11487202Meh, he's still better than the Frenchman who runs the Game Preservation Society that never released a single thing, and expects everyone to give them money to not release anything.
>>11487147People who play games don't give a shit about your worthless demo roms. Giving a shit about prototypes and demos is such a waste of time.
>>11487147Wow, I don't care about any of that. And you sound like a giant vindictive piece of trash.
>>11487207MOST people who play videogames don't give a fuck, but there's absolutely a niche sect of autists who find this stuff endlessly fascinating.
>>11487220Let's be honest, among autists many do not care, unless it's a very notable game (i.e.: mainline Mario/Zelda games, The Simpsons: Hit & Run, GTA titles).The prototype of the ill-fated American localization of Super Pinball that the Game History Foundation released still is not documented on TCRF.In general terms, there's a correlation between being a darling of the speedrunning community and having a lot of this kind of research done.
>>11487147Nice, very cool. Thanks anon a d happy new year
>>11487226>very notable game>The Simpsons: Hit & RunDelusional autist detected
>>11487220Yea, I just don't understand why that community always seems like entitled dicks that feel that they deserve every scrap of shit that exists handed to them.
>>11487147got the hoarders seething already, they know they're next
>>11487229Videos about it have millions of views, anon.https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+simpsons+hit+and+run&sp=CAM%253D
>>11487220>a niche sect of autists who find this stuff endlessly fascinatingAre there any examples or videos of this that's genuinely interesting? I've yet to see anything beyond Hard4Games eating Curry out of a plastic case that used to house a same as final demo of a shitty star wars game.
>UUUUH WHO CARESSome hoarder must camp out /vr/ and sperg about nobody caring every time a prototype thread comes up.Barely different? Who knows?! Lets have fun picking through them and see.
Could someone please summarise a list of prototypes for unreleased games? It seems all these prototypes (save for one or two) were for games that were commercially released.
>>11487261Okay... where's the fun at?
>>11487147No one here will spend more than 1 minute on any of this, if they even do at all.
Keep seething.
Hey guys, just as a heads up, I'm in a collector's discord that has like 4 autists who post stuff like >>11487207 >>11487209 >>11487308 . One guy in particular has a personal grudge because someone had uploaded a copy of a prototype he had and brings it up every time. He's pissed at the upload lowering the value of his game, even though he's said before he'll never sell it.
>you must be a hoarder!!!Enjoy Felix the Cat proto bro
>>11487319I think I can hear someone clapping at your comment somewhere outside on the street.
Still waiting for the fun to start happening.
>>11487206That guy spews misinformation about games in interviews. Baldie doesn't know jack and they are still just stuck handling PC-80/88, if history is so important to him, they'd be cataloging the Basic Master and MZ-80 as well as to get the full JP trinity archived before mold eats it all. Probably gets him less foreign attention though.
>>11487229Simpsons H&R is a huge game. Especially in soeedrun terms.
>>11487229It's not like the best game of all time or anything, but it was a hit and people remember it more than other Simpsons branded games. I remember people talking a lot about it back when it was new.
Why are protoypes so important.
>>11487261But hoarders are the ones that care about all those unimportant prototypes.And they don't want other people to play them and find out they're just boring shit which would shrink their e-penis.
What a fucking dick licker.
>>11487353>Especially in soeedrun terms.Oh, so that's why kek
>>11487646Art goes inArt goes outIf you enjoy art of video games, then seeing art/gameplay that was removed is "important" to you~
>>11487147>collectors seething that their stuff gets devalued againLove it.
>>11487147>dead hoarder's sonWhy are you making things up
>>11487773Yeah, a hoarder's son would just throw all that shit away.
>hoarders seething ITTis this behavior exaggerated or do you guys get legitimately upset over dumped prototypes?
>>11487646If you love a game, why wouldn't you want more of it?A lot of the stuff that gets cut during development is just as good as what goes into the finished game.
>>11487784>A lot of the stuff that gets cut during development is just as good as what goes into the finished game.Or better...
Prototypes and early builds are fun. People who share them are cool. People who hoard them but never share are just random idiots with no friends. You don’t deserve praise until you actually contribute something
>>11487792I understand why they scrapped this design after all the scandals Pokemon had in Gen 1, but it's so fucking cool.
I’m not reading the other posts but I want to say I’m glad the hoarder died and if you disagree then you’re a fucking idiot.
>konami samplePLEASE BE BATTLE CHOICE PLEASE
>>11487805A hoarder didn't actually die, some guy just decided to dump all of his protos he's collected over the last 30 years or so.
>Nobody cares about shitty copper and fuck saving the clay tablet complaining about itGamers aren't historiographers
>>11487202i've met frank. he's a good dude.> it's all about his own egonope. he's really that dedicated to preserving things.>>11487345>That guy spews misinformation about games in interviews.doubt>MZ-80 as well as to get the full JP trinity archived before mold eats it all. mz-80 has many archives online. have you considered not being a fucking leech and actually doing some of this work yourself instead of crying on a basket weaving forum?oh wait never mind. i forgot what board i was on. nobody on this board actually does anything except cry.
extremely toxic scene
The good news is when any game is dumped.The bad news is when someone makes a thread about it.The worse news is knowing that more people would care if the entire scene wasn't filled with rabid retards that no one wants to associate with.The worst news is knowing that this massive, rabid bunch of retards are excessively biased towards throwing thousands of dollars at busted protos compared to everything else and are so censorious and destructive that they constantly bitch when something they don't like is added to No-Intro's or Redump's database.
>>11487859>>11487865hi frank
>>11487876I dumped the superior proto for malice and nobody cared, you're welcome
>>11487878> its having a mental breakdownevery single time.
i got a rare prototype of duck hunt from back when it was still fuck cunt. never been dumped, starting the bidding at $10K. and try not to act like you're not excited to see this.
>>11487646Personally, I enjoy to see cut or altered content that couldn't make it into the final game. It adds to the game's history, just like an interview to the developers.
>>11487859The PC-80 and PC-8801 have many more archives online. It's not about access, but what he claims to be about as anything he archives isn't accessible anyway.As for spewing misinformation, he quite literally came out and said the following about Square's The Death Trap from 1984: "there is one very interesting thing about Death Trap: Until then, all adventure games in Japan, you had to type the commands in English". They used Japanese in katakana all the time. I've played ADV games in 1983 that used katakana, hell even the Starcraft Sierra ports expect katakana. The claim after it might have some truth (very first that allows both languages), but I doubt that too as coomer game Emmy parses romaji to katakana which is more impressive and that released earlier in that same year. 2019 article as well, such a strange claim to bullshit with.
>>11487882it's*work on your english
>>11487878>hi frank
I swear these threads are made by the hoarders trying to have people give a shit about the worthless garbage they have collected.
>prototype isn't dumpedREEE FUCKING HOARDER GIVE ME THAT NOW OR FUCKING DIE, I DON'T CARE HOW INCONSEQUENTIAL IT IS>exact same prototype is dumpedThis is so boring , where are the good prototypes???This common behavior is why people lose motivation to dump anything. Betakiddies have created the environment where you get more epeen stroking AND a better chance of profit if you hoard. Even lots of good prototypes fall victim to this, the majority of interest just evaporates once it becomes freely available.
Hoarders on suicide watch. New games are generally dead pieces of shit on arrival, so one of the only interesting aspects left is seeing prototypes or beta versions of old generally good games. Good games actually take time & effort to be made, so it is fun to see what changes & cuts were made while the game was being developed. (Look at the Pokemon leaks from October, there were so many unused Pokemon designs nobody had even knew existed.)
>>11488791I forgot to mention, another fun aspect about the development versions is sometimes romhacks can get made that add the cut content back into the game. This isn't rocket science hoarderfags, I look forward to you replying to me to tell me why I'm wrong.
>>11487795>ScandalsWhat scandals are you talking about anon?
>>11488814Like when Uri Gellar sued them and they couldn't put Kadabra on a card for twenty years, or when the Porygon episode of the anime put 600 epileptic children in hospitals. Pokemon had a lot of scandals in this era.In particular in this case I'm guessing the reason they cancelled the cool fur-wearing Pokemon is because they got a lot of criticism in America from people who thought the original design for Jynx looked like a Mammy chariciture and they just didn't want to make any more Pokemon that could be remotely associated with a minority.I don't know for sure but that's the only reason I can think they'd have scrapped the design.I really don't blame them for avoiding any possible controversy after getting dragged through the mud for all of Gen 1.
>>11488882I personally think they could of got away with the design of the fur wearing pokemon design, it is more animal looking than human.Honestly I wonder if this design was cut because of Nintendo getting worried it would offend brown people in the western world.
>>11487345>Baldie doesn't know jack and they are still just stuck handling PC-80/88doesn't he have copies of PC Cocoron (pc engine super cd)?
>>11487159>Archaeologist discovery showing different versions of famous textss showing how they might have evolved and developed"Who cares. They didn't even find Q source or any other lost documents."You wouldn't deserve to play something new even if it was discovered.
>anit-hoarders pretending to care about the prototype of the shittiest game you've ever seen finally being dumped
>>11487876Is being in some database actually relevant, tho? Many Japanese dumpers submit their dumps to Redump, but never share them.
>>11488064>Starcraft SierraWhat?
>>11489291HiddenPalace is just a different database. Otherwise, you'd be digging around random blogs looking for when something new is posted. The ROM sites rely on the databases and usually won't host anything that's not in them. There are a few HiddenPalace articles that only mention a dump existing with no downloads due to Copyright concerns. The MSX section of No-Intro is just a partial repost of the carts in the TOSEC set but doesn't cover the cassettes or floppies, and there's no verification for the release order or differences between the [a] and (Alt) labels.
>>11489429I'm talking about the ROMs in MIA lists. A lot of PC and Mac entries were dumped by Japanese users.
>>11487646I can see how people find them "important" however I don't understand why people feel entitled to prototypes. I don't own any. And I don't want to own any. And yet I still do not like people who obsess over them and deride people who own them with out dumping them. Having access to a prototype should feel as a privilege. Not a right.
>>11487654>But hoarders are the ones that care about all those unimportant prototypes.Unironically true. Which is sad. When people attack collectors. They're attacking the people who care the most even if those people don't share what they own with others.
>>11487793>People who hoard them but never share are just random idiots with no friends.Why are you so obsessed that you give people you don't know hate over what is usually nothing more than crumbs of code?
>>11487805People like you make this hobby not fun. Your attitude is a disease.
>>11487876>The good news is when any game is dumped.>The bad news is when someone makes a thread about it.>The worst news is knowing that more people would care if the entire scene wasn't filled with rabid retards that no one wants to associate with.There I fixed it for you.
>>11488231This makes more sense than not.
>>11489159Thread
>>11489460I think a lot of beggars don't know what the average prototype buyer deals with, and how for every gem that said buyer obtains, how many four-figure final ROMs, damaged discs, mystery protos which turn out to be shovelware, untested flash carts which turn out to be blank, vanishing sellers, opportunities which get snatched out from under their nose, and days wasted prowling the internet and tracking down contacts, before they wind up with something "worth" a damn. Maybe it's some form of coping psychosis induced by constant disappointment, but I think some of these people are the ones who come to genuinely appreciate these "junk" protos, certainly more than betakiddies who go into meltdown mode whenever theyblearn that somebody has a ROM, any ROM, that they can't download this very second. Like I wonder how many people who were having murderous fantasies over the Socks the Cat proto ever actually played the game from start to finish.
>>11489450I'm not sure how anyone is supposed to convince some people to upload their dumps. You either have someone keeping track of what has been dumped or you have no one keeping track of what has been dumped, and when you have no one, you tend to lose files that were already uploaded.
>>11489490>The crowdsourced MIA information on this list was provided by RomVault's DATVault service.http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=IBM_-_PC_compatible_MIA
>>11487319This reminds me of the autists from the Backyardigans Wiki holding some random pilot clip no one cares about close guarded and making it their life trying to schizo people out of finding itNothing is stronger then a terminal autist's ego and pathetic pettynesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_YCs94-hE
hoarders=GODSfuck the ungrateful npc masses they are fucking LEECHES
>>11489517I'm not sure what you're getting at, but before No-Intro, RomVault and the others existed, there were far less people keeping track of the files. No-Intro imported the scene releases and have been redumping them to verify the file integrity. There are still lost files from before these sites existed where it's possible the dumper didn't know if it was a proto or a bad dump. That's why the scene releases had more than 2 people dumping the same game. Here's the "scene dats" site that almost no one talks about.https://dats.site/home.phpThere are nearly 700 MIA discs from the PS1 scene days.
>>11489543>11487876: people get mad when something gets added to Redump or No-Intro>11489291: Does it matter, tho? Being in the database doesn't mean the dump is shared publicly. There are in fact maintained lists that prove this.>11489429: You proceed to talk about Hidden Palace for some reasonThe point I try to make is that being in No-Intro or Redump doesn't mean anything because submitting dumps there doesn't mean dumpers will make it publicly online, and that there's no reason to be mad about someone submitting their dumps there.
>>11489553Oh, I was referring to the ones that are always assmad over bootlegs, homebrew, nude games and other "offensive" games being added.
>>11487805>I’m not reading the other posts but I want to say I’m glad the hoarder died and if you disagree then you’re a fucking idiot.Nothing is stronger then a terminal autist's ego and pathetic pettyness
>>11487773Pretty sure it's a schizo that normally posts on /emugen/, who often goes on about how his goal in life is to make hoarders/trannies kill themselves so that prototypes will come to light, and so whenever prototypes do surface, he makes some shit up about how it's due to a hoarder dying.
As someone from the outside of this kind of prototype/hoarding community looking in, is it really that bad when unique ROMs get dumped?Or are a handful of people getting upset at their things being devalued? What exactly is going on in this thread? I can't tell why anyone is upset about any of this.
>>11489309Starcraft is a Japanese publisher/dev. They did a lot of western games.
>>11489607Ah, thank you.
>>11489606The community that is obsessed with every prototype being dumped. Is constantly attacking anyone they consider a collector. Regardless if it's prototypes or not. See >>11487805That's the problem.
>>11489159If the specific hyper obscure game nobody gives a shit about that I really like got a prototype dumped I would be very happy
>>11489606No one really gets upset. It's just retards making up some man in their head and think he is seething.
>>11487859>i've met frank. he's a good dude.yeah yeah yeah...nice try, frank>nope. he's really that dedicated to preserving things.da hell you say...frank....
>>11489138>Archaeologist discovery showing different versions of famous textswhat.the.fuckThe equivalent to this would be to find versions of famous texts lacking punctuation, caps, formatting, or words crossed out, IF, archaeology cared for stuff from fifty years ago.
>>11489660and occasionally a few words or a paragraph that didn't make it into the book
>>11489538You mispelled HOGS
This is all kinda neat or whatever but it seems like some people are truly obsessed over this kind of thing. I can see getting excited over a playable but cancelled game in a famous series, something along those lines. But that's not what most of these protos are.
>>11487207>a waste of time.Not all of it, some actual outstanding shit has come out of the dumping scene, like Sunsoft's Sunman, and that's great, it really is, the rest is just data hoarding.
>>11489606https://x.com/forestillusion/status/1333754887830609925To put it simply, some people with protos like to announce that they have them by posting pics and vids. This is generally a mistake as it invites the ones screaming about "hoarding", but some seem to like the attention. This drama engulfs the entire scene and overshadows the rest of everyone's efforts.
>>11489714>Sunsoft's SunmanThe full game?
>>11489725Having a proto and not releasing it is a mistake, let alone being completely private about it. Cowards
>>11489725kek I remember that guy. He deleted his deviantart post after I made a thread on here making fun of him and pointing out the odd sponsorship of a specific data recovery tool
>>11489725>announce all your rare prototypes on the internet>"Oh sorry, now I can't share them because people would know it comes from me and sue me"
>>11489462If you don't understand why development builds have value to people who are fans of the games in question, you are beyond help. There's nothing I could say to you to help you understand, because you think a stone brick is more valuable than a Van Gogh because it works better as a door stopper, the painting is just canvas with some shit on it.>durrr you're comparing video games to art now??? lmao duuurrrrr ha haThis is exactly what you were going to post as a response so I'm just getting that out of the way for you>you give people you don't know hatePrototype owners have a nasty habit of sharing little snippets, blurry pictures, 4 second videos, or vague information regarding what they own. This is 100% intended as a way to rile people up, antagonize them, and to sit back and enjoy their ability to make people feel jealous and upset. Of course, on the outside they go "wow I just wanted to randomly share something I have and you people are now all mean to me for no reason, wow what a shitty and mean community", but they are fully aware of what they're doing. These protype-teasing hoarders are the ones ruining it for honest preservationists and true contributors, not the outside community who has seen the same behavior happen over and over again. The "hate" is actively baited, and has been for decades.
>>11487147>Happy new Year and thanks to his son for doing the right thing and dumping them after dad kicked the bucket.That is some good news, based son.
What an abhorrent thread and posts, I can smell the samefagging. Also liars like OP should be banned on the spot.
>>11489734Nah he is just making marry, thebsilly made for exhibit demon with a few levels is what we got.
>>11489828The perfect scapegoat excuse.
This discussion reminds me of the Russian hoarder who got absolutely assblasted when Cookie Bustle (is that the the title?) got leaked. I sure hope some Ukrainian soldier bombs that fucker apartment building.The power tripping some of these people go through is insane.
>>11489489The blurry gameplay video was honestly such a piece of shit move that it was quite hilarious.
>>11489749Could you act any more entitled?
>>11489854That's a lot of text to say >there's nothing I could say to you to help you understand.Take your meds.
>>11490832Your brain fell out last November didn't it?
>>11491092Shut up.
>>11491089You’re a retard but at least you admit to it
>>11487147>>11487159>>11487646>>11487654>>11487773
>>11491369^Suicide watch>>11487319 Is Right, So many troons, scalpers, and hoarders on this thread are absolutely ACKing at the fact half their heckin plastic cards are about to lose value. With that said just to make them seethe even further if they try and pull some bs like ddosing I suggest someone download the full romset that was archived and reupload it to a torrent so tons of us can seed it and itll never be able to go offline. Get the rope you absolute wastes of life. Fun fact if you somehow are able to get your 400 pound asses out of your "gamer" chairs and have kids, they will inevitably dump your coomlection too :)
>>11487147huge thanks to mr/mrs potatoactraiser protorolans curse protocastlequestgargoyles questMega Man 4 unreleased napoleon dynamite gamesome absolute bangers.its just like getting access to a draft copy of a great novel: it might not have much changed but if its a novel you like there might be something new!
>>11491431Fuckin 'A right. It was a good Christmas.
I always wonder when I read these threads whether they’re massive false flags by the collectfags to make the doompers look absolutely mentally derangedI’m as interested in games preservation as the next autistic shut in who will never know the touch of a woman, but holy fuck you people are so insufferable that you make the hoarders holding onto rotting plastic look well adjusted by comparison
>>11491372Seething poorfag detected. You'll never play my unreleased games.
>>11491431>Mega Man 4Found anything interesting? I was checking out if there were any graphical differences with the final version usying YYCHR and I found nothing. However, there are many code areas which differ, pic rel is some examples but there are more. I don't know what they are though.
why are you faggots so bitter toward anyone that owns shit? The only reason you are getting to see this stuff is thanks to the work of the guy who collected and preserved it. You aren't entitled to people giving you their possessions for free.
>Dodonpachi Blue Label will never be dumped
>>11492167Un elissir...
>>11487646For 6th gen onwards protos had a good chance of having debug symbols included, which help reverse engineering/decompilation/fix-em-up projects a ton, closest thing to having part of the games source code(or it could even contain the source code itself in a dummy file or something, like how the halo wars code was found)e.g. re4_tweaks for PC made a ton of progress after GC/PS2 debug builds got out, before that pretty much every RE4 build was being snatched up by some german nazi-cosplay fag who wouldn't share shit (despite knowing it could help fix the PC version)Those people don't give a shit about the games themselves, it's just all about having something rotting on a shelf that nobody else does.
>>11492167m2 will include it when they port dodonpachi to switch any day now. trust the planhttps://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1543834&sid=6990457a749392e993ed9bd991f68a24#p1543834
Low quality thread. OP is a filthy liar
>>11491492You're next
>>11491232>>11491261Holy shit you're fucking hopeless.
>>11492649Not the same anon. Take it easy, lmao.
>NOOOOOOO. I THOUGHT MY AUSTIC COLLECTION WOULD SAVE ME FROM THE FIRES OF HELL>SAVE ME CHIP!!!!!
>>11491946No, i wanted to check myself but havent really had the time. Some games do have a list of what differences were found, so I was just going to wait about a weekish to see if other people do it first
>>11489606Hoarders are just lame autistic that need to flash their e-penis by buying other people's work and using it to feel better about their lack of life.Then the other side are entitled faggots who think if version .04325 isn't released where a pixel on the third stage was red instead of blue then it's the equivalent of the Rosetta stone bring destroyed to understanding a 30 year old game that has been beaten, probed, dumped, hacked and utterly turned out that it makes a 3 dollar Vegas whore look like a sweet 16 debutant on her first night It's retarded all the way down
>>11492126And you aren't entitled to people stroking your ego because you bought something.
>>11493152>need to flash their e-penis>to feel better about their lack of lifeBeing social e-penis whore is definition of life as you use it, so they have plenty life.>lame autisticLame, yes, but not autistic. See above, they are perfectly normal faggots.
>>11493178>Cope>seethe>cryWhatever you need to tell yourself to justify buying over priced plastic shit. :^)
>>11491946Isn't it just a localization prototype? I wouldn't expect much in the way of potential differences beyond script changes, localized graphics (title logo), and any bugs introduced during the localization process. That's not to say it's impossible since sometimes they'd start localization before the Japanese version was finished, and sometimes you'd see versions of games at CES/whatever tradeshow which were hastily translated in the middle of Japanese development, but it doesn't seem like that was the case with this Mega Man IV.
>>11493164Holy fucking retard take.
>>11489603This is fallacy. Someone being schizo scoundrel doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong about hoarders deserving to die. This is a separate issue, and btw they are surely deserve it.
Bump
are there any prototypes which have been released by the actual rights holders or is all prototype and unreleased game sharing in violation of copyright?
>>11495881Sometimes legal rights are obtained before release. Like that Nightmare Busters game's modern release was entirely legal, afaik. For the most part, though, most companies do not seem to actually care, as long as it's old enough.
>>11489660The term is archivist, and they do actually want to preserve protos, source code, development/production materials and correspondence, just sayin'
>>11495881iirc most of the duke nukem 3d protos were released by 3d realms themselves
>your favorite game finally has a early prototype discovered>it was found by strong museuma fate worse than death
>>11495881There are some officially released ones>B-but violations!Who gives a shit?
>>11495881Not >>>/vr/, but Eldritch.https://web.archive.org/web/20210208073953/https://twitter.com/dphrygian/status/1276722906068856840https://archive.org/details/eldritch-alpha-2013-09-10He probably wanted someone to make a TCRF article. Alas, that did not happen.The guy also released the source code for the game.
