Post PVMs, Discuss PVMs.Whip OLED trannies with scart cables.So, does anyone here have experience with using PVMs 9" and under? What size do you think is too small?
>>11487326All PVMs are too small.I own one 14 incher and two 9 inchers and my 25 inch consumer set is preferable even though it's pretty worn out and fucked.I wanted a 27 inch set, but I feel like 25 is the bare minimum acceptable screen size for a 4:3 set you want to game on from a comfortable distance in a comfortable chair/couch.RGB on a consumer set seems like the happy medium I'm looking for, for most consoles and games, but I have yet to RGB mod my TV. S-video already has me pretty happy.
I had / may still have a 9" PVM like your pic. It was excellent except that I couldn't position it where I could see it properly and be comfortable. If I had an eye-level shelf to set it on, or a stand to angle it up like a PC monitor then it would've been fine. I think 9" is big enough if you sit close enough to it.
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>>11487326Anything under 8 inches I guess. I have an 8 inch and it's fine but it's pretty small.PVMs are extremely overrated. They do not look good for retro games despite what Redditors tell you.
>>1148753220" comes across small on pictures but is pretty big IRL and common for PVMs. Could be something for you>>11488795says the faggot with the reddit spacing..also, you're wrong. what would you even know with your 8" microtube? next time keep your stupid mouth shut
I regret not buying a NIB 19 inch for $350. Haven't found anything similar since.
>>11487326>PVMs 9" absolute lowest borderline for viewing 480i content, and it has to be the one with a 450tvl tube (9045, 9L3).too small to be a splitscreen monitor, too big to be a portable monitor (you can still use it these ways if necessary, there are people who manage to play on the switch's 7 inch screen after all)>and under?6041 is an overpriced meme for 240p at best, though it's the most compact and lightweight one.where it shines though is maintenance, it has the full package for reviewing video signal (h/v delay, b/o) while being much more convenient than the 9 inch microwaves to carry around.
>>114873269"-13" is the sweet spot. Retards forget that these are MONITORS. Get something to keep it eye height and it is great.>>11487532Retard.>>11489070Payed ¥24000 for mine, keep looking you'll get one. Was too big, resold it to an American for $650 USD, retarded mutts.
>>11489404>monitor means it must be smallI'd rather play on my big tv in a big comfy chair. You remind me of milhouse's dad with his racecar bed.
14-20" for 3rd gen and prior.14-29" for 4th gen29"+ for 5th and 6th gen
>>11489536Get your eyes tested chud.
>>11489060I have a 13 inch trini as well. It looks like shit. I'm only holding onto it to eventually sell to some retard like you for 5x the price. None of these games were designed to be played on them. You can be mad all you want, it's true.
>>11491395All games made in 80s and 90s were designed on PVMs. When you play on one you see what the developer was seeing. Also you don't have a 13", you are a seething poorfag that won't post a picture with timestamp.
>>11491430>designed on PVMsNope.>inb4 ff7 imageThere's obviously a difference between doing color balancing work for a CGI FMV than testing what the actual gameplay looks like
>>11491432VGA is a form of RGB retard.
i have a 9 inch PVM but I see no reason to use it over my 20 and 28 inch PVMs20inch is smalles accepted size for use often desu>>11491430nta but perfectly reasonable desu>poorfagthat just makes you look sillybesides crts are really cheap nothing to brag
uh ohhh prices going down quick start shilling so im not left holsing the crt baga
>>11487532Not all PVMs, back in the day we had a 28inch PVM which we used as the living room tv for many years.
>>11491903I know that, but those are unobtainium now so we are left with people trying to cope a that a 9 inch screen is ideal for long gaming sessions.
>>11491974pvms are overrated anyway. Modern CRTs are basically as good as pvms anyway. SD was the limiting factor towards the end of the CRT era.
>>11491974I got one for free from an old studio employee, but it needs some work on the buttons
>>11492020Nice also wipe off the lens next time greasy
multiformat bump
>>11491430
pvm 14m2e owner here, how THE FUCK do I hook my TV up to my PC? I've tried various chink shit HDMI to your or similar converter boxes and they either didn't work outright or had crushed colors like crazy.I've tried getting an old and GPU with analog DVI and crtemudriver, had a lot of trouble getting it to work in the first place, but when I eventually did get it to work it magically stopped working again a month later and I wasn't able to get it to work again at all despite using the same settings.
>>11494156HDMI to ypbpr*
>>11494156VGA is very similar to scart, get a quality converter.
>>11494156get a cheap VGA monitor.Not only will it be sharper and better then the PVM in every single way, but also do 480p (or more) natively which is obviously better if you want to use your PC with itThe one and only advantage PVMs have is 15khz, if you want to use it with a PC you dont need that
I had to sell my PVMs to afford my estrogen medication.
Reminder that it's not a real CRT unless it's 27 inches or above. These little thing are just kitchen sets or something for your kids bedroom. If you actually play on one I feel bad for you.
>>11494156Did you make sure AMD external events utility is disabled? A crtemudriver guide said that usually what makes it stop working is a windows update will reenable that setting. If yes, make sure windows is still in test mode. If yes, then reinstall amd drivers, then reinstall the correct emudriver package for your card.If that fails, try a new amd card.
>>11494915>A crtemudriver guideWhich one, out of curiosity? >>11494156see the mostly good advice from this anon >>11494915. Windows updates stopped messing with the External Events Utility some years back, AFAIK, but still worth checking because something else might have disabled it. And *don't* install the regular AMD drivers, just crt_emudriver, after setting test mode.Also, wtf is with this timer shit before posting? Like fuck i want to verify my email on here. Fucking bots ruining everything.
>>11495130https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/s2kdya/crtemudriver_2022_setup_switchres_tutorial_guide/google drive links below video. Overall it's a good guide but there are a few things to ignore. Emudriver works on both win 10 and 11 unlike what guide says, ignore arcade_osd if you're using crt switchres on retroarch since retroarch ignores it unlike what guide says and use a transcoder particular to your tv than using UMSA for rgb unlike what the guide says.
>>11495151yeah, overall that's not too bad.
>>11491824I've seen your PVM like a million of times already since you got it. Please don't become an attention whore like marble countertop fag.
>>11495237I posted it like 3 times over 2 monthsI just like the way it looksIts a nice TV
>>11495130Noted about the AMD events utility, but with AMD drivers I think it may depend on how old the card is. I originally used a r7 450 and I didn't have to install any drivers in order for Windows or emudriver to detect it, but recently I switched to a fanless hd 5450 and the opposite was the case. Either way, on the 5450 I installed the regular drivers, rebooted then it popped up Windows, then I did all of the emudriver shit and it works fine and I didn't run into any problems.
I have a 19" PVM.Over the last several years it has gathered dust as I play most of the time on my 4k monitor with shaders because it has a 26" 4:3 image.
>burgers are forced to pay hundreds of dollars for these tiny piece of shits cause it's the only tv they can find that has RGB input Grim
>>11495530get a 28 inch PVM?
>>11495589Wow I wish I was a euro and played my games in slow motion for slightly sharper pixels now.
I own 5 PVMs and a BVM but it sucks I haven't seen another on FB marketplace in months.People are hording.
>>11496589The problem is that owning a PVM has become part of retro gaming street cred. Owning a PVM is like owning a Neo Geo AES or Turbo Express. Therefore attention seeking spergs will spend all their money on them to get 100 upvotes on Reddit, raising scarcity for newcomers that just want one.
>>11496589>People are hording>I own 5 PVMs and a BVMYeah, "people". How about you sell the 5 monitors you're not using??
>>11496589Look at dem scanlines. This scares the consumer CRTfag
>>11496669I can see gaps between scanlines on my 25 inch consumer set, dumb cunt.
old photo, i’ve added an NES, TG16, and Xbox since then. going to get rid of the wire rack though for a smaller stand/base and only keep ~4 consoles out at a time and only swap them around as I use them Sony 20L5, but kinda wish it was bigger. Wouldn’t mind trading for an NEC XM/P 29 if the opportunity came since my kids, nieces, and nephews play a lot of multiplayer on it during holidays.
>>11487326Was one containment thread not enough?
>>11497920How does the PVM operate on metal racks? I'm a dumb zoomie always hearing boomers going on about "muh magnetic interference".
>>11498276the rack isn't magnetic retard
>>11497920Only in Ohio
>>11487326>under 9" prob too small unless its on a desk and playing "comfy jrpg" type games>>11487532>all are too smalli disagree, i keep a couple 14" near my bedthey are great, however i would recommend simply buying ANY good crt with svideo or betterno need to break the bank for no reason, buy local>>11498276>muh magnetsspeakers that aren't properly shielded or guitar amplifiers will cause color distortion\warpingand other fuck ups if kept too closei learned this the hard way kek
>>11498461kek no way you actually play on those little things. Why would you do this to yourself when normal sized TVs are free
>>11498461If I was a girl I'd fuck you in front of that setup.
>kek no way you actually play on those little things. Why would you do this to yourself when normal sized TVs are free
>>11498504With a strapon, I hope.
>>11498517i have a "big" crt also anon but 14"-20" is what i grew up with (rf too kek)>>11498504you wouldn't be the firsti generally hide my power level thoughall the controllers, cables, PSU, etc are in bins under the bed
>>11487326Still rocking this 20" PVM I got for free over 11 years ago now. I've had to do a few repairs to keep it ticking, but for the most part it's held up fantastically. Tried to adjust color purity recently and the rings are just fucking frozen in place and I'm too scared to force them.>>11496669>Look at dem scanlines. This scares the consumer CRTfagThis sentiment was always weird because I remember seeing scanlines on consumer sets my entire childhood. 90% of what you hear about CRTs is just revisionism from people who have almost no experience with them in the first place.It's also funny when I hear or read about "retro technology enthusiasts" who try and say that interlacing wasn't a thing you could actually see on CRTs. There's no louder way to shout that you have next to zero experience with actual analog video technology.
>>11487532my 14" and 8" agree with you.they're a meme that people buy because they seek validation and "the best of the era" or "as the devs intended" ignoring that the devs normally would just use random consumer sets that fit on their desk with images displayed over composite signal, not RGB as shills want you to believe. the numerous tricks accomplished with dithering like the waterfalls in sonic games or the text boxes in house of the dead are proof of this.
>>11498567>waterfalls in sonicDo you have a comparison to share?
>>11498576https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0weL5XDpPsi dont have an image example but a lot of games have "checkerboard" patterns in text boxes that when viewed in composite or rf become semi-transparent.
>>11498567This seems really autistic. Why not just use composite when playing the 5 or so worthwhile games this applies to? Also just because one dev did something, doesn't mean everyone else did it.
>>11498586Composite looks the worst.
>>11498593the majority of game devs in the 8 and 16 bit era were one missed deadline away from living on the street, they barely had the money to afford the computers and dev equipment. they definitely didn't have the money to buy top end expensive professional monitors that were leagues ahead of what 99% of homes were using at the time. video games as a multi-million dollar, billion dollar at this point really, industry is an entirely modern concept.>Also just because one dev did something, doesn't mean everyone else did it.this is true, but in the opposite direction than what you're probably implying.heres another one of those images people like to show off to say "wow look how good crt's are!" ignoring that if you use a ps1 on a pvm over rgb, your image will be a lot closer to the sharp pixel lcd image on the right than the "crt" one on the left. this is more of an s-video vs emulator comparison in terms of quality. the whole entire point of a pvm is to get rid of as many of those quirks of crt technology as possible while still being able to handle the various signals common to professional/enterprise television equipment of the era. otherwise they would have been using pc quality crt's for everything.
>>11498594thats only because its a jpeg and you're viewing it on a high resolution monitor. i know none of us actually play video games. but if we were to do that for once, and did it on a crt, you wouldn't really care if its rgb or composite or svideo or whatever. the only one that would probably look noticeably shit to you when you're sitting on the other side of the room and not hunched over a foot away from the thing sitting on your desk, is RF. and most of the reason it would look shit to you is because of modern RF pollution that adds vastly more image degradation (aka "snow") than was ever present when it was relevant (1990's at the latest, more realistically the late 80's)
>>11498498i rotate every few monthsbut again, i prefer the smaller sets >easier to move>easier to buy\find locally>easier to carry to gfs house>>11498567i think it depends on the gamei prefer composite usually but you have to admit SOME titles do benefit from s-video\RGB\YPbPr
>>11498629Devs worked in offices with supplied equipment. Stop trying to pretend like they were in their mom's basements eating instant ramen.
>>11498646maybe if you work for sega or konami or nintendo or some other big name company sure. oh wait. the images i've posted so far have been from sega, konami, and nintendo, how odd, how queer, how strange.>whats this? could it be!?! my favorite honurubu niponese developer working with one of my classic professional video monitors next to him!?!?>what, a pc-9801vx with a consumer set plopped next to it? nooooo!
>>11498629these comparisons always strike me as retarded because neither resembles what either looks like in person at a normal viewing distance.Honestly, if you have time to argue about how other people play video games, you should just be playing your own instead.
>>11498665heres the link showing them verifying their work on more cheap garbage consumer trash only owned by the peasantry and not by glorious steve jobs tech start up developers.https://www.chrismcovell.com/secret/PCE_1989Q4.htmland some nintendo youtube clickbait thumbnail slop for good measure.
>>11498669you're right, i think most of these "crt vs lcd" images are people comparing an emulator to an emulator with a shader, but i see these images reposed ad nauseam in crt threads and by redditors so i dont really care. and the dithering effect with composite is a real thing ive personally noticed in a bunch of games considering i've shelled out way too much money to the hdretrovision and rgb jew myself and no, I told you already, I dont play video games.
>>11498629>heres another one of those images people like to show off to say "wow look how good crt's are!" ignoring that if you use a ps1 on a pvm over rgb, your image will be a lot closer to the sharp pixel lcd image on the right than the "crt" one on the left.lol, no. Way to prove that you're either blind or simply haven't seen enough in person to comment. none of these fucking comparisons people post look anything like anything does in person, because they're all usually shaders, or pics taken 3 inches away from the fucking screen an blown up for you to see on a computer monitor at 10 times the size it would be normally. Retard.>the whole entire point of a pvm is to get rid of as many of those quirks of crt technology as possible while still being able to handle the various signals Again, you're wrong and gay. The point of a PVM is color accuracy, which is only achieved via an RGB signal. Retard.
>>11498684>none of these fucking comparisons people post look anything like anything does in person, because they're all usually shaders, or pics taken 3 inches away from the fucking screen an blown up for you to see on a computer monitor at 10 times the size it would be normally. i agreed with you but ok.>you're wrong and gay. The point of a PVM is color accuracyyou mean the color accuracy thing thats a quirk of a crt? the color accuracy affected by the design of the shadow mask, the scanlines? or do you mean the color accuracy caused by improper sheilding of the tube thats "good enough" in consumer sets but overbuilt in a PVM? especially with that fancy degauss button right on the front, next to all those dials to pull in the exact chroma levels you'd need. or maybe the color accuracy from the super overbuilt and calibrated yoke on it that consumer sets didn't bother with because the color accuracy was good enough, is it perhaps that quirk of the design of a crt that you're bringing up?
i love crt but oled is fine if you shit money. these things aren't going to work forever, and it does increasingly become this faggy obsession about posting your television set online
>>11496643I do believe that was the joke fella
>>11498781>these things aren't going to work foreverIf you hoard multiple of your daily driver and learn to repair them you could keep it up for minimum 100 years.
>>11496589get those nasty stickers off your tv you tasteless hoarding dreg.have taste like these anons>>11496593>>11497920notice how their setup doesn't look like gaudy childish shit? it's because they keep shit stock and clean and dont plaster their shit in lisa frank stickers.
>>11496669my consumer CRT has scanlines that thick. jvc i'art.
>>11500062but that top post looks better than those bottom 2. Bottom 2 looks like something a gay person would post on reddit
>>11498643If you can't easily move at least a 27 inch TV there is something wrong with your health. Get an adult sized TV you can take to your girlfriends house before she leaves you for a real man.
