>extremely talented programmers>the games weren't fun to playWhat happened? Rare and Rockstar are the only European devs I can think of who made games that are still decent, and even those had a lot of quirks.
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>>11498023There are a lot of good games made by brits/canadians/french for old computers, like Civilization or maybe Lode Runner. Especially during the era of single developer making games.They are just not memey enough like bad ones you guys like to shit on.As for console games which are compared to ones made in Japan, I suppose there was lack of understanding the game design. Programmers were often amateurs hired to code shit in like two weeks without even seeing the result afterwards.
>>11498023Japs made their games like toys while Euros wanted to show off their coding skills
>>11498037>canadians>old computers plural, as in beyond the commodore 64oh yea the amiga was more popular here than burgerland
>>11498037Jap companies (at least the ones people give a shit about) were all pretty well-funded. Sega, Nintendo, Capcom, etc. were large multinational companies already in the 80s who made very high budget games.I can't think of a single European dev that was anywhere close that big at the time.
>>11498023>Rare>made games that are still decentremove your nostalgia googles and grow the fuck up, Rareddit games always sucked and they were rightfully silently killed by Microsoft
Console and arcade hardware was for pushing fast sprites. Computers couldn't do fast action gameplay, but had lots of memory. Many European games pioneered strategy genres, simulation, sandboxes, stuff that is still being riffed on today. There's also a bias because anyone can easily emulate some SNES games or check out a remaster but nobody wants to put in the effort to learn how to set up an Amiga emulator, read a game's manual and tackle a slower old game at its own pace.Regardless, Factor 5 made some good action games.
What's not fun about running your own logistics company as efficiently as possible?
I swear I always fucking forget that Rare and Rockstar are actually British. They are among the greatest western devs, maybe even two of THE greatest
Have you seen interviews with European and American devs? Playtesting wasn't a thing. And most of them were engineers first, game designers second. In Japan you had nodev niggas taking care of game design, like Inafune who was just an artist and got bumped up to a game design role. This ends up making for something interesting since mechanically Japanese games are simpler but more playable, whereas Western designers were tryhard engineers trying all sorts of things.
>>11498273Rockstar is American.The American company Take-Two just bought the German publisher BMG which published the game GTA, and British dev DMA Design which developed GTA and put them under their new subsidiary American company Rockstar Inc.
>>11498279GTA was developed in the UK
>>11498281Yes, by DMA before Rockstar existed.
>>11498285Do you think the "North" in Rockstar North (developers of the /vr/ GTA games) refers to North America?it doesn't
>>11498314Rockstar North is the British subsidiary of the American company Rockstar, which is a subsidiary of the American company Take-Two.
>>11498023Because we're keeping the best EU games a secret from the americans, you will never know but I'm playing a secret EU game of the century right now
>>11498037Canadians are not part of Europe, retard.
>>11498023All those games you think you played, you didn't actually play
>>11498278Congrats, you win the "Stupidest Post on /vr/ of the Week" award. John Romero was widely known to have playtested his maps, playing through his maps dozens of times in order to gradually expand and adjust them accordingly.
>>11498023There were more like Bullfrog/Lionhead.UK were pretty much the only really good 'European' game devs. Now Rockstar (formerly DMA Design) is all that remains.There were *some* good French developers (Quantic Dream, Ubisoft before they went to complete shit) but that's it. The rest of Europe mostly makes trash.Maybe Crysis for Alex Bukkaka from Digital Faggotry who wants to jerk off to that game.
>>11498279Rockstar isn't American LOL.They started out as DMA Design before rebranding as Rockstar. They're distinctly British.
>>11498278> And most of them were engineers first, game designers second.You can kinda tell this. Graphically and technically Banjo Kazooie and Rare games would BTFO anything Nintendo Japan could make, but Nintendo of course would always have the upper hand in gameplay.
>>11498478They speak French though. They may as well be.
>>11498513....Everyone in North and South America speak European languages.
>>11498508Except Banjo was more fun gameplay-wise than Mario 64. And that's not some niche hot-take either.https://www.vice.com/en/article/for-me-super-mario-64-doesnt-hit-the-highs-of-banjo-kazooie/
>>11498278>Have you seen interviews with European and American devs? Playtesting wasn't a thing. And most of them were engineers first, game designers second. In Japan you had nodev niggas taking care of game design, like Inafune who was just an artist and got bumped up to a game design role. This ends up making for something interesting since mechanically Japanese games are simpler but more playableThat really spells out it, I mean we wouldn't know about Nintendo if it wasn't for one would-be mangaka.
>>11498023What the FUCK is going on in this thread?
>>11498530>That really spells out it, I mean we wouldn't know about Nintendo if it wasn't for one would-be mangaka.Kek, quality satirical bait anon.
>>11498531This is the daily weeb-cope thread where they pretend Diablo 2, Starcraft, Agee of Empires, Masters of Orion 2, Half-Life, Duke Nukem 3D, Sim City 3000, X-COM, Earthworm Jim, Oddworld, BLOOD, Marathon, Turok, Quake, and Goldeneye don't exist.
>>11498546I love Japanese games and anime but I will never understand the faggots who act like they're honorary japs on here when the average japanese person would stomp on their corpse to get to work 2 seconds faster
>>11498023I bet you think Paradroid isn't fun
>>11498495Romero is a god among men and thus an exception
>>1149854699% of those are American games lol. Americans like fun; Europeans don't.
>>11498639If Americans like fun, why do they spend so much time seething at Europeans?
>>11498546OI MATE THOSE BLOODY WEEABOO PLONKERS DON'T LIKE ME SPECCY
>>11498531>that logoThe sure sign of an overproduced but unfun kusoge
>>11498023>extremely talented programmersNo? Where did you get that?
>>11498661YOUR SPECCY WAS, IS, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A SHITTY FUCKING PILE OF SCRAP METAL. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU FAGGOTS KEEP GOING ON AND ONE ABOUT OI ME SPECCY WHEN PLENTY OF OTHER COMPUTERS OUT CLASS IT EVEN FROM IT'S OWN ERA.
>>11498505>They started out as DMA Design before rebranding as Rockstar. They're distinctly British.shaking my head at the ignorance of the American goyim sometimes, m8
>>11498023lol you have to be shitting meyou have to be excluding Ingerlund devs or something to even have a fraction of unironic confidence posting thisain't no other way
>>11498023America > England > Germany > Japan > France > Nobody else matters
"Fun" is pretty subjective. But generally, Japanese games are much more fast-paced. Europeans went more for cinematic stuff.
>>11498675Shut your whore mouth. Roll cage rules!
>>11499741>But generally, Japanese games are much more fast-pacedthat might have been true in the 80s, but not sense the proliferation of jarpigs
Have Europeans ever done anything good?
>>11498501For UK it's the same story as every industry: America pays better, speaks the same language, and has less red tape to deal with. Anyone with talent or a vision leaves these isles to work in the US.
>>11498661God I love speccy posting.
>>11499741That's because the majority of the only games worth playing on the NES and SNES were arcade ports, which are naturally faster paced. When they developed games that were designed to be played at home on console, their pacing was very similar to Western games, like Mario 64, Legend of Zelda, and Metal Gear Solid.
Demoscene autism doesn't always translate to decent knowledge of game theory
