6th Gen was the birth of modern gaming and has no distinction from modern gaming, and modern gaming isn't good compared to retro gaming (2D and early 3D gaming). I don't care about 00s baby nostalgia this is just objectivity.Also, PS2 won that era primarily because of its backward compatibility adding way more good games then it had alone, or that X Box or GC had at all.
>>11504162The best 6th gen console was GBA, I played that way more than my PS2 or GC when previously, GBC and original GB were clearly inferior to the main consoles.
But...the 6th gen was the best gen...I started gaming in the 4th, so shut up.
>>11504162I disagree. A PS2 or GameCube game still feels different than a modern game. I’ve never been able to fully put it in words, but a PS360 game running at 1080p 60fps feels indistinguishable from a modern game while most PS2 or GameCube games don’t. Also PS2 won by being the cheapest DVD player on the market at the time.
>>11504162>6th Gen was the birth of modern gamingYes>and has no distinction from modern gamingNo.>and modern gaming isn't good compared to retro gaming (2D and early 3D gaming). Then you also need to lump in indie games and smaller, passionate jap devs who are also atleast trying to keep alive the spirit and fun of retro gaming, even if they sometimes miss the point.
>>115041621st gen was the beginning of the end tbqhwy
>>11504162Gen 6 has an identity. 7 8 and 9 run together like bathwater
This is objectively true.
>>11504245>PS2 won by being the cheapest DVD player on the market at the timeWhy does everyone keep parroting this lie when there's tons of evidence proving it to be wrong?The PS2 sold the most units in 2003 and look at the price of DVD players that year
>>115041625th gen was the birth of modern gaming.
>>11504162There is no 3D fighting game older and better than Dead Or Alive 3.There is no 3D action game older and better than Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition.There is no Pokemon game older and better than Pokemon Emerald.There is no Western platforming game older and better than Prince Of Persia: The Sands Of Time.There is no Mascot Racer older and better than Sonic Riders & Zero Gravity.There is no Japanese platforming game older and better than Sonic Adventure 2 or Jet Set Radio Future.There are no shooting games older and better than the Top 5 of 6th gen.There is no Arcade RPG older and better than Gauntlet: Dark Legacy.There is no Life Simulator older and better than Animal Crossing.For almost any given "retro" genre of video game, you can quite easily list a 6th gen game at the top.
>>11504162architectures hadn't become homogeneousalways online wasn't a thingsubscriptions weren't a thing
>>11504372Gran Turismo ingame is so ugly holy shit
>>11504245>PS360 game running at 1080p 60fpsThere are PS360 games running at 1080p 60 fps??? You mean the PC ports right?>feels indistinguishable from a modern gameHave you seen the state of modern gaming? Nah nothing in hell is indistinguishable from UE5 slop.
>>115041626th gen is best gen
>>11504372Wrong. Racing sim flourished in the 4th gen. Street Rod and Test Drive 3 were the influence for all the racing sims that came after.
>>11504423>There is no Life Simulator older and better than Animal Crossing.that's an n64 game, dweebenheimer
early 6th Gen was still very experimental, and developers where figuring out how to best intigrate online playby the end of the Gen most modern game design conventions had emerged but that doesn't disqualify it from being retro, 3d platformer were standardized during the 5th Gen but we still talk about Mario 64 endlessly
>>11504504Doubutsu no Mori is
>>11504261It's like how 80s cars are (correctly) considered "modern" and distinguished from "classic" 70s and older, but driving one is still a very different experience to something from the past 10 years. Technology and the ability of designers to use technology isn't a straight trend upwards, it moves in irregular stages and jumps as the market sorts out what's actually valuable and what's not, not always correctly at first
>>11504295eh, I can stand ps3/x360 (the wii controls fucking suck) but by the end of that generation the cancer metastasized everywhere, in my mind 8th and 9th generation do not exist
>>11504162Nonsense. It's indistinguishable from gen 5.
>>11505021nonsense
>>11504162>6th Gen was the birth of modern gamingYou are correct when it comes to Xbox Live (worst cancer to ever disgrace games).
I hate zoomies
6th gen is when 3d gaming finally got good
>>11504423>There is no 3D fighting game older and better than Dead Or Alive 3. Tekken 3, Tekken Tag Tournament and VF4 are better.
>>11504162This but with 7th gen. If you see no distinction between GTA 3 and GTA 4/5, you're retarded.
>>11504464>There are PS360 games running at 1080p 60 fps???Ridge Racer 7
>PS2 won because it could play ps1 gamesthat's retarded anon. PS2 won just because it had a better library with it's own games. The PSOne was still selling years into ps2 for ps1 shit.
>>11504162PS2 won because it was a lot cheaper than a standard DVD player.
>>11505207See>>11504370
6th Gen is the 4th Gen to 5th Gen's 3rd Gen.
>>11505220So where's the evidence for the sales?
>>11504162The sixth generation is retro by virtue of it taking place twenty five years ago. What, will you look back in the year 2077 and still declare that the PS2 is "Modern", that the Xbox is "Too new" for this board?
>>11505223https://web.archive.org/web/20120609161654/scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps2_e.htmlMy bad, it was the fiscal year ending in March 2003 so it includes units shipped from 2002 tooBut March 2003-2004 is still the second best fiscal year
6th gen consoles are actually 4th gen. 1st and 2nd gen aren't real gaming generations and consoles started with nintendo.
>>11505250>stuff doesn't count because I say so. The console game industry began with the Magnavox Odyssey. Deal with it.
>>11504370This.PS2 being a DVD player certainly helped it win over XBOX and Game Cube, also the backwards compatibility, but the idea that everyone bought it as a DVD player alone and that's the only reason it sold so well is stupid, PS1 was the most successful console ever made at that time, and Sony came out with a successor with a ton of desireable features and a huge graphical leap, all for a good price. Of course it sold the way it did. I can't help but feel that the people that try to discredit it are either trying hard to sound smart, or just frustrated Nintendo fans that can't let go.
>>11504162Ridiculous nostalgia. And the PS2 sold because it was one of the cheapest DVD players on the market, even now, gamers don't use BC.
>>11504162I'd say 7th gen because that's when we really hit the point of no return with a lot of the things that are staples today>DLC, microtransactions, downloadable patches>Consoles becoming always online all in one media centers where you make a public profile/avatar>Mobile gaming with the rise of smartphones>Modern gamer/streamer/esports culture with websites like justintv/twitch>Games being primarily designed for HDMI/16:9 instead of CRTs/4:3>Gradually phasing out physical media and cool detailed manuals for digital games tied to your accountI realize some of these things began to rear their heard earlier on in relatively minor ways, but 7th gen was where they became permanent fixtures imo. Also, maybe this is anecdotal/just my impression/bias at the time, but 7th gen felt like peak normie dudebro bland grey/brown moviegame fps era. I distinctly remember game journalists at the time shitting all over anything japanese/weeb/jrpg adjacent, and overall it just seemed like this was around the time it kinda became more socially acceptable to be a "gamer" or "nerd" or whatever. idk, just rambling
>>11506254All that shit was already there in 6th gen. PS2 does 16:9 natively, we had mobile only sequels to console games by then especially in Japan, we had gaming celebrities, consoles were used to play dvds and photo viewers.What makes a modern game is simple, the right analog stick controls the camera/aiming that's it.
>>11505183Hi Tekken 3 spammer.
>>11506254>I'd say 7th gen7th gen had its pros>handheld gaming was still well and alive>AAA budgets weren't as bloated, still plenty of midbudget and lower budget games (though some were on ps2/wii)>both playstation and xbox had a steady stream of exclusives unlike ps4/xb1
>>11504370>Samsung>Daewoothose were joke compared to Sony in the late 90s/early 00s.also they couldn't play neither PS1 nor PS2 games.
>>11504656Im primarily a retro fag, but the ps4 and switch have offered me a huge smorgasbord of fun lower budget, niche and indie games compared to the ps3/360 era. Shave away the eSports, GaaS and movie game shit, and there are still plenty of games on offer for those whom appreciate the old ways.
>>11504295>Gen 6 has an identity.gen 6 was the last of the "SD" consoles before the shift over to HDTV. The only hold over was Nintendo with the Wii. I would say Gen 7 ran for too long. Gen 8 and 9 are blurred together.
>>11504168Agree though it was largely a SNES emulator
>>11505183>Tekken 3, Tekken Tag Tournament and VF4 are better.Add Soulcalibur to the list. All four are better than any DoA.
>>11505250Nintendo consoles started in the 1st gen thoughbeaver, so you've now said Nintendo isn't gaming. The council has noted your true and honest opinion hidden behind fake lipservice and you will pay dearly.
>>11504596>Hydraulic power steering becoming the standard in EVERY car on the advent of gen 6 releasing. Gaming has never been so intuitive and easy to play than ever before.>Crumple zone architecture significantly evolves and we see more rounded, less distinctive, edgy cars, again on the advent of gen 6 releasing. Anti-aliasing in full swing and the sharp-poly imagery of gen 5 is replaced with silky smooth curves and few jaggies. There's another significant leap in around 2010 (half way through gen 7) when fake 4x4/SuVs like the Juke were released and the last of the widescale avalable consumer cars lose their sovl. This coincides with brown n bloom piss filter, mtx, the beginning lack of new IPs in AAA, low risk taking in AAA.>2010/11 we start to see the widescale introduction of LCD screens in cars, replacing tactile buttons. They quickly gain a reputation for software gore and being unnecessarily difficult to use over simple tactile buttons/knobs. Meanwhile, wagglan is in full swing in video games. >Lastly AAA g*rman car manufacturers try to lock hardware features already in the car behind subscriptions circa 2021, mimicking vidya mtx.So yeah I guess I agree there are quite a few similarities
>>11504162You guys always forget about the handhelds. Not just GBA, but also Neo Geo Pocket Color, WonderSwan Color, Pokemon Mini, and VMU
>>11504162how many 6th gen games required day 1 patches or had battlepasses?
>>11507537Those aren't things that change gameplay or game genre, they're just annoyances tacked onto games.
>>115041626th generation really was the beggining of the end, but it was still decent, especially handhelds, I'd say that the 7th generation handhelds are fine too, DS and PSP, but stuff like the Wii, PS3 and XBOX 360... if included in /vr/ that'd be the end of this board for me I think.TL;DR I hope we draw the line at DS and PSP here.
>>11504162Modern gaming definitely didn't start during the 6th gen. Modern gaming = HDTV, broken games, day one patches, DLCS, focus on multiplayer and online social activity, achievements/trophies, blur, bloom and brown/gray/yellow filter, subscriptionStarted around 2008/2009 when all of the above got combined.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7QCh-l-EJM
>>11504162I disagree. 3D gaming always has been garbage, even on PS1 and N64.
>>11508825Nah, SoulCalibur is the greatest fighting game ever made
6th gen was the last pop in and play console generation
>>11508913Soul Calibur is the king of button mashers and of the 4 the one which is taken the least seriously.
>>11508995It has a low skill floor but a noob won't win against a pro by mashing
>>11504162>6th Gen was the birth of modern gaming and has no distinction from modern gaming6th gen was the last gen where offline play and CRTs were the standard. >this is just objectivity.Opinions aren't objective, you dunce.
>>11504162Those systems didn't have horrid home screens that were 90% ads.
>>11508927Didn't think about that. That's a good one to add to this list: >>11509359
for me if it lacks widescreen and still runs AV it's retro. Compared to the 7th gen people can actually find comfort in 6th gen gaming and would always be willing to come back to it. People with a functioning brain do not want to go back to the 7th gen. As it was the beginning of the end and 90% of the shit that was popular in the 7th gen is still relevant today ex: roblox, tf2, minecraft, there is no reason to actually go back and play a 7th gen game when everything else before it have much more unique experiences. 7th gen is something i would consider outdated, not retro.
I think the biggest change in games was updates. For decades, if a game was broken it was broken forever, so devs were forced to do their best to release a finished product. Then at some point games could suddenly get updates. Devs no longer had to release a finished product anymore, they could just release patch after patch to fix everything broken in the original release.Gaming had a lot of important milestones, but I don't think any of them was as disruptive and defining as telling the publishers that suddenly it was perfectly acceptable to release unpolished games.
>>11509363No just shitty games
>>11509406Updates ruined some of my favorite games in 7th gen. Team Fortress 2's Mannconomy update introduced lootboxes, and one of Rock Band 2's updates changed how vocals work.
>>11508995>Soul Calibur is the king of button mashers and of the 4 the one which is taken the least seriously.Calibur is an easy to learn hard to master game. If it was so easy to mash, then anyone would be able to reach pro status, which they don't.
>>11504162gen 6 was only half pozzed. definitely where the problems started to arise, but there were still plenty of gems to be had.>JSRF>FFX>Wind Waker>Sunshine>Melee>Metroid primejust to name a few. but on other hand it also started the GTA/console FPS/moviegame "dudebro" slop genres so I can totally understand why gen 6 gets shit on.but gen 7 is where everything permanently died. if that ever becomes "retro" im finding a new place to shit post.gen 5>gen 3>gen 4>gen 6 and the rest are irrelevant.
>>11509474>6th gen>moviegame "dudebro" slop
>>11509378>for me if it lacks widescreenWidescreen retro games exist. Konami's X-Men, Street Fighter 3 2nd Impact, Rastan III all have widescreen (or dual monitor mode) and these are the ones that I can remember. Namco used to have a widescreen space shooter with six players in the arcade but the name of that game escapes me.
>>11509478youre right, but I dont like MGS either. those kind of games were few and far between in gen 5 though
>>11509467>which they don'tmost people don't/didn't even visualize or fathom Soul Calibur being a competitive game
>>11505226Games havent changed since 6th gen
>>115041623D games are trash
>>11509535>forget console wars, we're 2D vs 3D now
>>11509474>but gen 7 is where everything permanently died. if that ever becomes "retro" im finding a new place to shit post.Totally agree. I dread the day horrific slop like GTA 4 and Red Dead Redemption gets posted here.
>>11504423>There is no Japanese platforming game older and better than Sonic Adventure 2>3D Sonic>good, best evenDo Soniggers really?
6th gen games feel very distinct from modern slop while 7th and up is more or less the se shit as now except slightly better graphics.
>>11506254>>115062916th gen was the beginning of the end, 7th gen extinguished the last embers of the good times. everything beyond is unsalvagable.It's amazing how quick the gaming industry went through the process towards singularity/oligarchy. In the hardware space at least. Barely took 50 years. There are industries much older than that, which still have a more or less healthy environment, but none of them are digital I reckon.The lack of competitors has been a devastating fact that contributed much towards the industry how it is today. Funnily, most of them killed themselves via incompetence some way or another, there has not been much going on with hostile takeovers.
>>11509406Fucking this. It was a slow burn to convincing retards it was ok to pay full price for, and to expect, and unfinished product.
>>11509732I wouldn't say they feel very distinct. >>11509743 this poster has it right. The 6th gen was a huge step toward modernslop. Trying to revisit and discover new 6th gen games has not been a very fun experience. There are probably 4 or 5 6th gen games I enjoy enough to play semi-regularly spread across all the consoles. The lack of distinct, hardware-limited artstyles along with normalfriends really flooding the market (which resulted in games trying to appeal more and more to the lowest common denominator - this started in the 5th gen admittedly, but got significantly worse in the 6th) resulted in a bunch of soulless, samey, low impact games that feel like watered down, flashy, soulless imitations of earlier games. Meanwhile I find myself enjoying NES, SMS, and Genesis games despite not having grown up with them. The PS1 and Saturn have a lot of great games that I've enjoyed playing for the first time in recent years. I can't say the same for gen 6 consoles or games.
>>11509808Totally agree.
>>11509808>trying to revisit and discover new 6th gen games has not been a very fun experience.You are not searching very hard. 6th gen was the last major hurrah of the jap developer.
>>11504162>no distinction>very few online games>physical game copies only>tons of cheaper AA games made by small studios coming out constantly>no indie games>every kids movie still had a licensed game tie in >games were still designed around 4:3 image and most people played on CRT, no HDMI port on these consoles>no DLC>no online game updates>no microtransactionsYoure actually trolling. I could go on and on here. Transition to the modern era was definitely 7th gen.>transition from physical to digital media slowly beginning here, all consoles have some kind of online store this gen>smaller studios started closing due to rising dev costs and AAA studios swallowed them up>new focus on online multiplayer>indie games started showing up on the digital stores of consoles
>>11509932>no DLC>no online game updateswrong
After getting back into the original xbox because of insignia, I realized how shitty of a console it was. Seriously, the fucking gamecube is more entertaining and it runs smoother
for me its fuzion frenzy
>>11509808Compare GTA3 and GTA4 or Twilight Princess with BotW. 6th gen games are smaller scale with less stuff going on and often tiny chunked maps. There were games like Morrowind on Xbox but it didn't play or run all that well. Large open worlds like that started dominating only during 7th gen. Bigger isn't always better but it is different. Also in terms of mechanics there isn't much difference compared to 10-15 years ago.
>>11504162>and has no distinction from modern gamingSure it does.
>>11504370>2003Yeah and when the PS2 launched in 2000 DVD players were expensive as fuck. 3 years
late 6th gen was definitely the start of modern slop era
>>11510109I just don't see how hdmi makes any difference
>>115101526th gen was the first to get worse by the end.
>>11504162It's a fact that the original Xbox was a huge Trojan Horse for the gaming industry as a whole, but what sets modern games apart from retro ones is the way games were played.6th generation and before: plug and play, magazines, local split-screen multiplayer, DLCs, no paid cheats, local stores and rentals, physical games and real finished products.
>>11510359>DLCsread no DLCs
>>11510364and played on a huge and heavy piece of shit TV.
>>11504162Maybe certain aspects and games on the Xbox could be considered modern, but the 6th gen consoles at large still followed the arcade design of the previous gens, along with games being complete at release and having full expansions/sequels and secrets/cheats rather than DLC. Also, the primary audience were people that actually liked video games (hich you can see in the advertisements portraying fictional or real hot women, explosions and just a lot of action) which is the exact audience of the modern audience, which consists of normalfags that don't like any of that. I wouldn't say video games really got truly modern until about 2010-2012, which is when a lot of major shifts these trends started taking hold although some of them like DLC have been a thing since about 2007.>>11506513The PS3 is a good console for Japanese weeaboo games. I've found that the PS4 lacks that and it's why I haven't bothered getting one.
>>11509859I'm open to suggestions, especially since one of my favorite games is a bizarre Japanese 6th gen game (Seek & Destroy / Shin Combat ChoroQ on PS2.) Got any recs?
>>11510110>when the PS2 launched in 2000Read again, this is not when the PS2 sold the most so it doesn't matterThe PS2 sold the most 2-3 years later when DVD players were now cheap
I think it'd be fair to say sixth-gen consoles are retro since they were still a leap from fifth. The hardware definitely stagnated from seventh onward.
>>115108146th gen is retro in name only5th gen and earlier exclusive /vr/ was a boomer-only haven; now it's significantly more accessible to the point even zoomers can comfortably browse it
>>11511359>6th gen is retro in name onlyYou losers never explain how 6th gen games are modern. Literally every 6th gen game plays like a 5th gen game but with better graphics, more robust physics engines and generally more polished gameplay. It's just as retro as any 5th gen game at this point considering that all the shit that modern video games do now started in the 7th generation.>5th gen and earlier exclusive /vr/ was a boomer-only havenMuh sekret club. The rules allow 6th gen games. If you want to discuss only 5th gen games or earlier games, go to another site where those are the rules. Simple as.> now it's significantly more accessible to the point even zoomers can comfortably browse itZoomers don't even play most of these games. Most zoomers are on /v/ talking about gachashit, porn (thinly veiled as a modern video game thread or otherwise) or just joining in the retarded ass culture war but in regards to video games. A lot of the appeal of older video games is playing games you grew up with and playing ones you wanted too but couldn't. Zoomers don't have that nostalgia for the vast majority of 6th gen games and pretty much all 1st-5th gen games. I've found the ones that do are in a minority among their peers and less annoying than them as well.
>>11511703gen 6 lacks the creativity and experimentation of gen 5. much like gen 4 was a more refined gen 3, but there wasnt as many new ideas.I agree its closer to retro than modern slop though. we should allow ds and psp and then permanently cut it off from there.
>>11509937DLC and updates existed, but only to a very limited extent compared to 7th gen, and mostly only on the OG Xbox. Offline was still the default in 6th gen, and that's what 99% of games were designed around.
>>11511703>Literally every 6th gen game plays like a 5th gen game but with better graphicsPS1 plays like a 2D game with polygons due to the controller only having a dpad.with the PS2 they suddenly got access to an analogue stick by default and games started making use of that.Same shit with Saturn -> Dreamcast.Only exception is the N64 -> GC since nintendo actually bothered to but an analogue stick on the default controller on day 1.
>>11511703>Literally every 6th gen game plays like a 5th gen game but with better graphics, more robust physics engines and generally more polished gameplay.I strongly disagree, they tend to play like worse versions of Gen 7+ games. Most popular modern franchises either started or began modernizing here, and it really shows. Meanwhile most popular boomer franchises failed to evolve and died either during Gen 5 or here in Gen 6. Gen 6 is still decent, but it's definitely uncomfortably close to modernslop and I truly hope the mods never change the rules for this board to allow anything beyond it.
>>11512892>I strongly disagree, they tend to play like worse versions of Gen 7+ games.I disagree with that heavily. The best example I can give is with FPSes, which is genre that was most affected by the plague of 7th gen watering down. A 6th gen FPS like Unreal Tournament 2004, Prey, IGI. Half-Life 2, Max Payne, Serious Sam has a different set of mechanics than any 7th gen FPS like Unreal Tournament 3, the Call of Duty and Resistance games and so on. There's no regenerating health, there's no iron sides and the story has nothing to do with the military for the most part. Also, they had elaborate map designs that allowed for more intricate enemy encounters as well as exploration rather than being linear hallways like modern FPSes. They aren't modern at all and still pay homages to their arcadey roots in ala id Software.You can make this analysis in most genres and pretty much get the same result: the 6th gen is not even remotely close to being modern. It's just a more refined 5th gen experience, which is too be expected since the 5th gen was dedicated to perfecting 3D movement and interaction.
>>11512947Half-Life 2 was the beginning of the end for FPS, where they started focusing on visuals and story and accessibility more than actual fun gameplay. Didn't bother reading the rest of your post.
>>11513192Half-Life 2 was a huge mistake in the gaming industry.
>>11513192>Half-Life 2 was the beginning of the end for FPS, where they started focusing on visuals and story and accessibility more than actual fun gameplayThat's been happening since the first Half-Life and the first batch of cinematic games in the late 90s. Again, not really a 6th gen thing.>Didn't bother reading the rest of your post.Thank you for admitting that I'm right and you're wrong.
>>11512947first of all, call of duty is 6th gen.second of all, halo exists and was the death knell for fps along with half life.you're completely wrong and your opinions are bad
>>11513215>call of duty is 6th gen.It way halfway decent and (WW2) military shooters weren't an oversaturated market until the 7th gen. Only other one I can think of is the Medal of Honor series.>halo exists and was the death knell for fps along with half life.I agree. That's only like 2 or 3 series out of literal dozens like Unreal Tournament, No One Lives Forever (1&2 along with Contract J.A.C.K.), F.E.A.R, Quake 3, Max Payne, Serious Sam, Painkiller, the original Far Cry and Chrome and dozens of other unique 6th gen shooters that don't play like 7th gen games.Your point is fucking retarded if you think 3 bad series out of a large selection of them is indicative of anything but these individual games being shit. You can only be a braindead zoomer basing all of your knowledge of the past on such a small sample size that's the most well-known out of all those games.
>>11513226every game you listed plays identically to 7th gen slop
>>11504162Early ps4 and xboxone is retro now. Deal with it and die so that the young may inherit the earth
>>11504168Nintendo music is early 00s KINOAQA music from Metroid fusionhttps://youtu.be/fGv2Ua74IlsAnd Metroid escape from melee https://youtu.be/NBCiLi9OZfMHit me in the nostalgia feels for 2002. Zoomies will never understand kino
>>11513237They very clearly aren't. They have vibrant colors, non-regenerative health and complex map design, all of which are the antithesis of 7th gen FPSes. Stop talking about what you don't know.
>>11514296>HL2 and FEAR>vibrant colors and complex map designStop
>>11504295early 7th gen is just the 6th gen with better graphics and different from modern gaming
>>11514308>Choose the least important point >Attack that>Pretend that magically proves your pointThat's very lame and the type of laziness I'd expect from a person that uses the term "slop" unironically. Tell me what makes these games proto-7th gen despite having a completely different design philosophy than any 7th gen FPS btw. You've never explained it in a coherent way other than using memes from /v/. For someone that pretends to be more intelligent than the average user of that board, you sure do act like you belong there.
>>11513226>FEARYou're saying this doesn't play like a 7th gen shooter? It follows the template fairly well.
modern gaming started with the 2008 Recession. change my mind
>>11514329>>11514308It doesn't have regenerative health and it has a moderate level of complexity to the actual level layouts, something 7th gen shooters don't have. You would know this if you played the game. Many FPSes since time immemorial have had shit art design like Quake. That doesn't make them 7th gen shooters.>>11514339That seems about right. Oblivion did the horse armor bullshit in 2006, but most there was a drastic change between the ethos of gaming companies between 2008 and 2009 which really kicked the tendencies that became associated with modern gaming into high gear.
>>11514316First off I'm not the original person you're talking to.Second, it's obvious you're underage and have no actual idea what you're talking about. Hal-Life 2 is quite literally the template for every modern FPS game, and the sterilization of video games into "interactive experiences" as a whole. The game is structured in way that guides you through prettied up hallways, taking you from setpiece to setpiece. The levels themselves are restricted with surroundings only being used for visual splendor, and progression being one way only. The weapons are bland and the enemy AI is terrible and encounters are infrequent pace breakers. Everything about the game is linear, cinematic, and intentionally designed to not be "video gamey" and more resemble an interactive Hollywood movie.You will already dismiss and handwave all these criticisms and try to convince people a game like Turok or Quake or Sin plays anything remotely similiar because you're desperate to try to be a "retro gamer" for some reason despite clearly not liking them much
>>11514342>>It doesn't have regenerative health and it has a moderate level of complexity to the actual level layouts, something 7th gen shooters don't haveThe levels aren't that complex and what about everything else? It follows the same tropes when it comes to weapon variety and weapon limits, enemy encounter variety, player movement, stop-and-go pacing, I don't know why the game gets such a pass.
>>11514356>First off I'm not the original person you're talking to.Who cares? You both sound like retarded jerkoffs. They all blend together in my mind.>Second, it's obvious you're underage and have no actual idea what you're talking about.Ah yes, because if I have a different point of view, it must be because I'm underaged and not because you're acting like a child that can't conceive of differing opinions. That's totally the mark of someone that isn't a manchild passive-aggressively seething like a menstruating woman.>You will already dismiss and handwave all these criticisms and try to convince people a game like Turok or Quake or Sin plays anything remotely similiar because you're desperate to try to be a "retro gamer" for some reason despite clearly not liking them muchI really don't care what people I don't know on the Internet think of me, let alone in regards to a title like "retro gamer", which isn't even important in the slightest. "I play retro video games. I'm hardcore". Are you 12? It's a fucking game. It's meant to be fun, not some sort of proof of manhood or some gay shit like that. Calm your tits.You just sound like a passive aggressive cunt that can't accept that people have different opinions than you. I can say that much about you and I'm certain I'm right.In regards to that shit about Half-Life 2, no shit. The original Half-Life did the exact same shit, where it's not really replayable since it focuses more on being a cinematic rather than a game like Doom or Quake. That's generally what Valve does and has done with the exception of TF2 and Deadlock. I never argued otherwise.You'd do good to use your time in better ways than arguing with strangers on the Internet about shit that doesn't matter.
>>11514412>get btfo after making yourself look retarded trying to be the authority on things you clearly have no knowledge of>"you know thats just my opinion, why are you so toxic? get a life? is this all you do all day? none of this even matters loser!"classic zoomer playbook.
>>11513192HL2 i remember being the moment PC gaming started to die in my eyes, since it was the first major non mmo type game to force online authentication with installation. I thought my friend was insane when he mentioned it was a requirement.
>>11515194I played it in an internet cafe because my PC was too shit to run it and I was stuck playing Diablo and StarCraft for the first half of the 2000s. I thought it was severely overrated and had no idea why people were clamoring for it.
>>11513226>military shooters weren't an oversaturated market until the 7th genOkay, that's nonsense. Even back then most gamers were complaining about the market being flooded with WW2 shooters. There was a reason why CoD and even Medal of Honor went into the modern era. There were plenty of modern military shooters back then like the Delta Force games, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, Red Mercury, Operation Flashpoint, America's Army, Soldier of Fortune, Counter-Strike, etc.
