>>11510163Good.
>>11510163Programming those games were super basic though, like a single screen of limited gameplay.
COMMODORE SIXTY FOOOOUUUUURRRR
>>11510163No we fucking didn't. You didn't need to program jack shit to play C64 games.
A lot of people nowadays would have troubles with comprehending DOS, EMS, XMS, LM, HM. You lack 2 Kb to launch a game and already switched off almost all drivers? Ha-ha. fuck you!
>>11510186Technically you had to type in a C64 BASIC load instruction to load the game from tape.
>>11510163No you just had to be really fucking patient waiting 20 minutes for games to load from tape.
>>11510191That's not programming by any stretch of the definition.
>>11510202writing a line of code into a BASIC interpreter can be considered programming
10 PRINT "BOOBS"20 BEEP30 GOTO 10
>>11510163typing in a pre-written program is not learning to programmost got their g#mes on tape/disk/cartridge anywayi heard some 90s/00s kids had to manually type out calculator g*mes if they didn't have the data link cable. i never didn't have it.
>>11510190Ah the good old days. You want to play that game with sound? Too bad mother fucker your network card is sat on the same IRQ as your sound card.
>>11510163Im so jealous I missed this period. Still, one of my first computer experiences was typing in a few QBasic games, reading GORILLA.BAS source code, and making my own really simple hello-world tier games.I never had a console and I probably owe my career to it.
I promised myself I will release a visual basic 6.0 rpg before I die. I'm still working on it
>>115102101 POKE RND(0)*60000,RND(0)*2562 GOTO 1
LOAD "*",8,1 and 10 print hi 20 goto 10 were all I ever did
>>11510163all the games I've owned come with instructions on how to run itif you copied games onto blank cassettes with your dads stereo then yeah, you're on your own
there's a whole book of neat C64 one-liners:https://10print.org/10_PRINT_121114.pdf
>>11510175>super basicheh
>>11510163Nah, I got a Nintendo. Only losers had the Commode 64.
>>11510872>Nah, I got a <console released in 1986>. Only losers had the <home computer released in 1982>.Literal zoomer logic. You don't need to shit on something just because you were too young to experience it.
>>11510194>20 minutes of thisI don't see the problem.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48nKFdah5Lc
Whoever heard of a game being on a cassette tape?
>>11510886My computer friends were playing DOS games on their x86's. C64 was for poorfags which we did not associate with. Still don't. My kids are millennials and my zoomer grandkids play PC, some console and retro when at my house. Stop being a faggot.>This is now a C64 hate thread
>>11510967The C64 came out in 1982: before the 386, before IBM PCjr, before EGA. Were your friends playing DOS games with four-color CGA graphics? That's clearly worse than the C64. Sure it only took a few years for PCs to catch up and completely supersede home computers but there was a period of time when they were the best thing available.
>>11510872no what? no questions was asked, and your response has nothing to do with anything that was said
>>11510190>DOS, EMS, XMS, LM, HMStarted PC gaming with Windows XP and always heard boomers talking about how hard was DOS gaming. Turns out it's all super straightforward, literally one system configuration file and one autoexec bat file, both very short. I literally can type both from scratch if I know where sound and mouse drivers are located on the disk.Windows shit like registry and group policies is way more complex.
>>11510163Most of us started out playing Atari 2600. And what's better then playing games? Making them. So we graduated to 8-bit computers and learned by typing in programs from magazines.>>11510175But that limited gameplay got faster and faster until it got inhumanely impossible to play, or a register flipped from 255 to 0 and the program broke.
>>1151021010 ON ERR GOTO 10 : PRINT "BOOBS " CHR$(7) ; : BOOBS
>>11511253PCs weren't quite a "standard" yet and this is where the trouble starts. Your motherboard very likely had BIOS bugs and this predates flash so you'd have to send away for replacement chips. And it was probably your dad's work machine so he'd not let you do something crazy like swap bios roms.And also since it was your dad's work machine it had a SCSI card in it so he could use his scanner and external CD ROM or whatever, but it came pre-configured as IRQ5 and woe betide you if you dare upset the SCSI gods by disturbing them when they finally decided to work, so you have to move your soundblaster to a different IRQ, but the games sometimes don't let you pick that IRQ, instead only allowing 5 and 7, or a base address that is just different kinds of wrong.And your mouse driver consumes way too much conventional memory and you can't load civilisation with the mouse driver on. And so you buy a better mouse with a less crappy driver but this driver conflicts with one of your BIOS bugs and now any game that uses EMS crashes.There's a reason Intel said "fuck everyone, WE will make the chipsets and YOU license them." Editing config.sys and autoexec.bat is the least of the hassles of DOS.
>>11511253You don't have to fuck around registry and policies to use Windows in any way including games.In contrast you can't use DOS properly without understanding how system works much less playing games, you won't be able to even run them without making system configuration files and understanding hardware stuff like IRQ and ports.
>>11510163>had to>HAD TOThat's everything that's wrong with your generation, encapsulated in two small words.Nigger, if you put a computer down in front of us, we were THRILLED. We couldn't WAIT to start poking and prodding every single key and button to find out what they did. We EXPERIMENTED. We weren't afraid to just fucking try stuff. We weren't afraid that something would go wrong. If a computer or a game had a manual we would read it for fun, like in bed, or bring it to school with us to dream about all the things that were possible. Don't misunderstand- we didn't NEED manuals for games. We were happy fiddling around with the controls to see what would happen. But we read them for fun. It was exciting as fuck learning simple computer commands and finding out you could type $PEEK and $POKE to make pixels change different colors. We couldn't get enough of it. The thrill of discovery, and mastery, of a new frontier.Zoomers are TERRIFIED of experimentation. I can't stress enough how much I despise them. They are constantly here on this board whining "s-should I play this game? what if i have a bad time? i'm scared of not having any fun... please tell me everything about this game ahead of time so I don't make any mistakes.. I don't want to repeat content.. i'm scared.. i just want to 100% 1cc add this to my checklist and ignore the gnawing void of emptiness in my gut where a soul should be". They bitch about obtuse controls, logic puzzles, hidden content "b-but how was i supposed to know! IT'S NOT FAIR! the game didn't show me a waypoint and button tutorial! they didn't explain i could get the secret mcguffin here! BAW MY EXPERIENCE WASN'T FAIR AND EQUITABLE" Fucking get over it, you absolute miserable cowards.zoomer jannies will delete this and 3-day me but you know I'm fucking right. I'm SICK of this incompetent loser can't-do-anything fear-paralyzed generation that is so broken THEY CAN'T EVEN ENJOY VIDEO GAMES without handholding and support groups.
>>11510163Are you kidding? C64 owners were the biggest lamers they would just swap games and play them.
>>11510967Trying too hard. Why is everyone such a boring 50 layers of irony loser these days? Too afraid of having genuine opinions?
>>11510163anon, it was 1 BASIC command and when that didn't work you just gave up
>>11510163I learned basic on my MSX as a kid. I dont miss copying shit from magazines at all desu.Greatest thing ever back then was the moment you realized you could use your twin cassette deck stereo to copy games.
>>11510163You can tell by his facial expression. "Am I happy about this? I don't know. Yay, I gue"
>>11510163You didn't really have to understand how the type-in games worked, you just typed them in. I had a nice book with very simple games (without graphics) though that also explained each step, was very nice and a fun way to learn some simple programming.But yeah most of my C64 gaming was just waiting for the cassette to load.
>>11510163>>11510191> be kid > gets c64 one glorious xmas/birthday etc> interested in programming> wow. basic! i can make all kinds of games!> all kinds of games written in BASIC run fucking slowly> BASIC V2 becomes useless to use for anything> forces kid to learn 6510 assembly languagethe end.
>>11510178
>>11511634And nowadays nobody is 'forced' to do anything, they just shit code in slow ass modern BASIC alternative and tell you>"buy new PC you poorfag"or>"losers like you instead of games should concern themselves with how to not starve to death"
>>11510194What the fuck?
>>11510213>your network card is sat on the same IRQ as your sound card.What the heck does that even mean?
>>11511792found the alfie...
>>11511634>> forces kid to learn 6510 assembly languageit did, and I felt like an elite tier hacker knowing this hidden codes to make it run blisteringly fast. I made my first sprite demo and felt like a god
>>11510213how many people had a network card in their DOS computer at home?
>>11510163>Dad I wanted Nintendo! what the fuck is this?>*runs off crying*>40 years later he's a Systems Analyst on 500k a year>his Nintendo playing friends are all now welfare crackheadsDad made the right call
the C64 got the King up and running
>>11511792Computers had wi-fi boxes you had to slot in like lego fortnite builds. You then had to put in this long tube which the wi-fi could travel through, but that isn't sigma for now.The lego blocks rizz to the CPU, but the CPU isn't premium so he his gyatt only supports slowmode. Sometimes the lego block for fire bops tries to talk in the same chat as the wi-fi block but because chat is in slowmode and they are rizzing the same chat only one can rizz up chat.
>>11510175You're thinking of the atari.
>>11510691>if you copied games onto blank cassettes with your dads stereo then yeah, you're on your ownThe computer came with a 100 page user manual that told you how to load cassettes and tape. Everyone was copying games and knew how to load them.
>>11511253>Turns out it's all super straightforward,Yeah, up until you need to configure TSRs so your Gravis Ultrasound Max can have music in games designed for Sound Blasters.
>go to Computer club with 1 game>come home with 10 games after a days swappingnintendies will never know this feel
>>11510168Fucking boomers man!
>>11510967>C64 was for poorfags which we did not associate with. Still don't.Dude, WTF?
>>11512038oh woe is me being a rich kid too good for a regular sound blaster
>>11510163>detailed programming manual included with the computer>computer boots straight into BASIC programming environment on startup, giving you easy direct control of the whole systemit was a better time
>>11511741>And nowadays nobody is 'forced' to do anythingno. many people born after the 90s don't appear to have any concept of what the battle was like but never slowed people down much.
>>11511483>I can't stress enough how much I despise them.Dude you really need to get lady!!!
>>11510958What version of Donkey Kong is that. I know there were a couple different ones made for the C64. Not counting the obvious knockoffs.
>>11512151Look at the image more thoroughly, preferably with your eyes. You should see a logo that states "Ocean" and on that tape is written "1986". If we use these keywords along with the previously obtained keywords "Donkey Kong" and "C64", you might be able to find it on a search engine. Good luck and keep me posted.
>>11510202writing code is absolutely programming
What 1980's console would the kid who hated NES, hated the Nintendo, hated Playing on Computers, never got into the Mario Bros craze, and was that kind of kid without any friends and who played alone during recess at school have had?
>>11511883Not many, I assume it was mostly companies that had use for networking at the time.Still, I remember doing a LAN party in the early 2000s where a friend's dad had given us a bunch of token ring network cards. And while most had current PCs running Windows 98, we also brought a few obsolete DOS PCs for everyone to play. Best Warcraft 2 sessions I had.
>>11510967rule 2 nigger
>>11512572>the kid who hated NES, hated the Nintendo, hated Playing on ComputersHate is such a strong word. I only remember the occasional friendly ribbing between owners of different computers, i.e. Atari kids against the Commodore kids etc. I didn't see anyone hating on Nintendo before Sega owners in the 90s.
>>11512720You kids get triggered so easily.
>>11510163europoors had to make their own badic shitty games because they couldnt afford real games*
>>11510213my father wrote menus for different autoexec.bat and config.sys stuff so if a game needed one or the other it could have just the oneI wasn’t even the one learning batch files and I do _not_ miss those days>>11511483I didn’t lose my fear until I had a machine of my own and could reinstall Windows (or whatever OS) by myselfthat didn’t happen until the mid 90sbefore then, the computers were my father’s, and I wasn’t the fuck-around-and-find-out type at least not to that level>>11511792your network card and sound card were on the same interrupt request line, so after booting totally you could only use one or the other>>11511883my father’s (work) machines didpoor guy could only get Doom to run in 2-player mode, not the full 4-
>>11510202You're programming the computer to load the game, doofus. Just because it's not executing FORTRAN on a mainframe don't make it not programming
>>11510642You work in a call centre giving tech support to Dell customers?
>>11510967You're a Grandpa and you're still posting naughty words on 4chan?
>>11511019Not to defend him (because he's lying) but I think he was implying that poorfags used C64s when they had become antiquated technology because it was the only thing they could afford.
>>11512202Wouldn't it have been quicker to just answer the dude rather than give some paragraph long snarky rant?
>>11510210Based.
>>11513989It would have been even quicker if anon just googled it himself instead of treating others like sentient search engines.
>>11510191By that retarded logic zoomers need to program to post here since they need to type 4chan.org on a browser
>>11514006setting the clock in your vcr is considered programmingit's not some super special thing
>>11513989I think the pinned post on here should have links to MobyGames and GameFAQs, especially since it's better to browse those sites looking at screenshots than to engage in most of these retarded discussions.
>>11514018Giving them a database or two isn't going to help them search or play things by themselves. Instead you'll just get more choice paralysis threads.
>>11514018you should use lemon64 for C64 gamesI wish every platform had a site as good as that one
>>11510163well it wasn't exactly easy to run dos games on my 386 either
>>11510163before the mid-90s PCs were inferior to consoles in every way1998 was the year the PC permanently surpassed consoles. Half Life sealed the deal.
Choices
>>11514380>1998 was the year the PC permanently surpassed consoles. Half Life sealed the deal.1998 was the year consumer PC's definitively passed consoles in their ability to render 3d graphics (so long as said PC had a 3D card), but it terms of actual games available to play? PC was only better for FPS games, RTS games like C&C or management sims. PC will still have basically no decent platformers, racing games, adventure games or anything else until around 2002/3
There was never a year when consoles were better than PCs, or home computers before them. Their main advantage was always the price and accessibility for the technically illiterate.>11515396>PC was only better for FPS games, RTS games like C&C or management sims.Yes, huge swathes of games that consoles couldn't have at all because they were hampered by not having a keyboard.> PC will have basically no decent platformersThis is probably true. Platformers are the one genre where consoles definitely come out ahead, because there were so many more fun things to play on a PC.>racing gamesI only have to mention The Need for Speed here, although there were many other notable ones.>adventure games???
>>115143801998 was the year I discovered that emulators existed and that I could play almost any game up to fourth gen systems for free on my PC. That definitely pushed it beyond consoles for me.
>>11515396Yeah but it has shockingly playable emulators
>>11511979>You're thinking of the atari.No I'm not, I'm talking about home computers for bedroom coders. How in the fuck can five year olds code complex games. 99.9% of them made single screen games (I know I'm in that camp).
>>11515396>racing gamesPitstop II came out in 1984.
>>11510163God, I wish.
>>11510175Still leagues ahead of what kids nowadays have to do. Most of them wouldn't be able to figure out to use a disc if their streaming service crapped out. Even if you gave em a floppy that has the instructions right on it zoomies would fucking shit themselves if they had to figure out c: commands
>>11515396>1998 was the year consumer PC's definitively passed consoles in their ability to render 3d graphics98 was a good year for pc graphics but no way close to beating anything that already existed in arcades until 2000s. then we start seeing various arcade manufacturers start adopting generic pc hardware as a platform.
