>>11516774
janky controls

They're very slippery. Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 controlled better.

>>11516797
definde slippery dumbass, that word doesn't mean anything if people NEVER argument it or say why (15 years in this fandom and never read a single explanation)

>>11516802
It's easy to hawk'intuit otherwise people wouldn't be repeating it

>>11516802
for example I can go and say meme buzzword at other games' gameplay too
all fucking boost games, black knight, classic sonic in boost games, etc, but I DO describe, argument myself, I never go with meme weak pussy ass meme words

>>11516802
It doesn't feel like anything has weight or real momentum, probably because nothing does so you can always swap characters to do their designated move at the designated spot.

idk really, when I was a kid I was a huge Sonic fan. My first ever game was Sonic 2, and I owned a DC with SA1 and later SA2 (i even bought Sonic Shuffle...) but Heroes was such a major turn off that I quit the franchise altogether and didn't play another new game until Generations.
It felt lame, too bright and kiddy, and too arcade-y i guess. SA2 already abandoned the open-world exploration of SA1, and Heroes abandoned the semi-serious tone and realistic Earth-like setting that I assumed would be the standard going forward.
It was like Sonic made a huge leap into 3D gaming only to then retreat back to simplistic gameplay and cartoony story and characters.

>>11516819
I feel like I just set myself up for "but Sonic 06 was hated for its realistic characters and serious story!" so inb4...

Sonic 06 had
>shit controls
>shit art direction
>long loading screens that appeared frequently
>bad performance
>terrible physics
>broken collision and mechanics
>boss fights that will either die immediately or stunlock you endlessly
>boring missions and levels with braindead gameplay objectives
>and, on top of all of that, a story could never be taken seriously given how poor the rest of the game was

>>11516819
>It doesn't feel like anything has weight or real momentum
what is the dash button, or rocket accel
what is weight or momentum anyway, fast characters are fast, espio and amy logically aren't, and slow characters are slow, some oriented to battle, some oriented to be big and hulky. so what is momentum and weight mean? I don't get it

>you can always swap characters to do their designated move at the designated spot.
...sooo... having characters meant to be used at certain parts... is bad now?? hella then sonic is ebin awful for boosting on water and knuckles is le ebin bad for punching rocks!!

>>11516819
>Heroes abandoned the semi-serious tone and realistic Earth-like setting
That's why it's the best looking and sounding 3D Sonic game I guess

>>11516825
>hella then sonic is ebin awful for boosting on water and knuckles is le ebin bad for punching rocks!!
Other than the ending where the whole point is that every works together to use their talents to save Earth, at no point during playing a character you started as will you ever have to swap characters to proceed or unlock something.
Imagine if Sonic 2 were filled with gaps and places where you had to wait for Tails and slowly have him fly you over places for you to continue speeding through the levels... that's Sonic Heroes but Tails is talking to you.

>>11516802
The engine has double the max speed and acceleration but the same amount of deceleration as SA2, resulting in what's best described as "slippery" controls.
>>11516819
I had the exact same experience, right down to Sonic 2 being my first game and owning Sonic Shuffle. Heroes was the first major disappointment for a mainline Sonic game to me, and I don't think the series has ever recovered since.

>>11516824
sonic 06?

>shit controls
unfished. they follow adventure logic. go complain at these games then
>shit art direction
kid you have no idea what art is. music is peak, the story is interesting, shadow story is best shadow characterization, silver is trunks-like interesting story, etc. the ideas are excellent, and you call shit art?
>long loading screens that appeared frequently
probably
>bad performance
don't know what this means
>terrible physics
hoo boy, so you love boost physics? how you can't turn around? move the camera?? move your stick one ctiny bit for your character to walk 1 fucking metter? unprecise platfforming?? yeah, try jumping throught 5 flying platfforms in boosts games - you can't, you'll fall. you'll have to stop and carefully take your time between each jumps. and more else
>broken collision and mechanics
unfinished
>boss fights that will either die immediately
lmao the boss fights are very long. but they either rely on "waiting, attack, waiting, attack". short bosses? the franchise is filled with them
>boring missions and levels with braindead gameplay objectives
variety*
>a story could never be taken seriously given how poor the rest of the game was
your lack of attention problem. I never laugh or go edgy at work or fiction, I respect them for what they are

notice how it's always "the game's fault"? it's never about you. that's the problem everybody has, nobody makes up their own minds and are responsible for their own decisions. it's never their fault

In the wake of GTA3, after SA1 and 2 both had darker and more mature storylines, it legitimately felt like Heroes was the "saturday morning cartoon" version of Sonic.

I felt embarrassed to be playing a game so clearly designed for children younger than me, almost like I had been tricked. I then discovered Sonic X and I never really considered myself a Sonic fan afterwards.

>>11516830
well surprise, this is sonic and friends co-op game. I won't get angry at a game if the fucking point of it is to use multiple characters. loved sega genesis Animaniacs as a kid, loved it. yeah, that game was more puzzle, but multiple characters mean multiple ways to go through the levels...

>The engine has double the max speed and acceleration but the same amount of deceleration as SA2, resulting in what's best described as "slippery" controls.
...still don't get it. hell the levels are huge, you're meant to go fast and have wide areas. so yeah, still don't get it

>>11516843
>unironically defending Sonic 06
I mean, you're trying... but even you can't defend the art design being boring dull flat grassy/brown plains and sterile white or grey constructions.

It's so fucking boring to look at.

>>11516851
Another thing is I think Heroes had very low traction, which is also why it felt slippery.

>>11516852
NTA, Sonic 06 is just an abysmally bad game akin to Mega Man X7 but its art design is kind of unique, I like the melancholic feel it gives. That's probably unintentional though

>>11516852
if you think art is visuals then you should learn what art is in the place. it's coming from an ignorant's person, can't take people who bark but don't know their shit like you seriously

and
what, I can't not follow the ebin repeated meme?

>you can't defend the art design being boring dull flat grassy/brown plains and sterile white or grey constructions.
it's a realistic game. you can dislike it, but that's up to you, not an objective thing. realistic things DO exist. here in sonic it was different, that's all. as for me, personally, I clap at things different, experimental, they're more interesting to experience them, otherwise it's gonna be a status quo. THAT is boring

>people unironically saying that Heroes is kiddie shit and they stopped being fans of Sonic because of that
>someone straight up defending 06
The fuck is this thread

>>11516843
>terrible physics
>'muh boost'
In Sonic 06, Sonic and friends will SNAP to the ground awkwardly and jerkily if you come close to the ground. This combined with the twitchy and ultra-sensitive turning and movement controls make you feel like you are never in control of anyone. It's like everyone is a tiny RC car.

>>11516860
>low traction
oh so that's the word I have to use to define shit boost games: low traction
the thing I mentioned, move a tiny little, walk 5 meters
suddenly low traction is not bad anymore heh this fandom is shit, they don't know shit what they like, know this from years and experience

gonna take a break here. was waiting for your guys' posts, something I've been expecting you guys:

"it's bad because it came after classic and adventures"

I was not surprised to reach this conclusion. read this argument billion of times, a poor one. well yeah it reaches personal levels, that's all. It's a personal grief, "excuse", people have against this game
so many other games do shit controls, but they're all flowers. why is Heroes so special and ebin bad tho?? cause it came after classic and adventure games, that's all

>>11516774
They mean "it doesn't play like the Nintendo games I grew up with", literally

>>11516914
>*some random topic of discussion*
>BUT NINTENDO
/vr/ in a nutshell

>>11516924
Why are you offended?

Without knowing any of the proper jargon, I can tell you the problem with this era of Sonic is nothing ever feels like it has the appropriate weight. Sonic is supposed to be fast, but is he supposed to feel like a paper bag blowing in the wind? Sonic should be like a a weighted ball, hurtling down a slope.

>>11516774
Classic fans say SA1 was the beginning of the end for Sonic.

I say this was. This was Sonic Adventure light without any of the epicness.

SA1 > SA2 btw

>>11516975
SA1 > Heroes > SA2

"jank" usually means "it's not like modern gaming". Therefore it is a compliment.