I am endlessly fascinated by the development of Super Mario World sadly tcrf doesn't have everything regarding the giga leak. Where can I read up more on this?
scrawny yoshi is disturbing
>>11651198as much as I dislike his modern iteration, they really struck gold with his final appearance
Did people ever made any romhacks with those gigaleak sprites?
>>11651205There's one guy in smwcentral named Master Yoshi allegedly making one. But apart from that I have not seen any serious efforts.
>>11651205>>11651232also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5kwE9XUJ8
>>11651203These are the exact sprites that disappointed Japanese fans. Which Nintendo responded to by putting an all new artist in charge.
>>11651192Even the sprites we did get in the final game had some really weird colors.
>>11651334it gives me a king of fighters vibe, but it also reminds me of poorly colored pc games.like a "hotel mario" 3rd party feel.
>>11651192yoshi is a stoned oddly sexy bird? ok weird fucks
>>11651243>a year ago>plus 3 monthsEverytim3.........Yeah thanks
>>11651923i think ur weird for seeing a "sexy" yoshi
>>11651334>These are the exact sprites that disappointed Japanese fans.Interesting, source?
>>11651198the animators of the SMW cartoon didn't understand Yoshi and put another mouth on his neck.
>>11651192Gigaleak documentation sucks. It's all spread out among archived threads on /v/, /vr/, and /vp/, random fucking twitter posts, and worst of all, Discord servers.
>>11651198I like the more velociraptor-esque look, but the finalized design was probably the smarter choice in terms of marketability.>>11652692I remember it took literal years for the fags at Bulbapedia to even acknowledge that the Pokemon leaks were genuine, let alone actually post up any information on them or the early sprites and such, I guess out of fear of invoking the wrath of Ninty.
Top 10 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true
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>>11652658They put cave men in the show. They understood nothing at all. They could not be bothered to wander into a Sears and play the little demo consoles they had set up for research purposes.
>>11652942tism the image
>>11652942>>11653604it's awesome. very expressive artid like to find the source
>>11653070His run is the funniest shit ever
>>11652658The anime intro sorta fixes this https://youtu.be/Q64w8dcOxkI?feature=shared
>>11652692I mean, the whole thing was a haphazard affair, not helped by the fact that the guy behind the leak didn't even give a shit about the vast majority of the content he leaked, as he was only looking for Pokemon stuff. Everything else was more or less incidental, and it's amazing we got as much as we did, or anything outside Pokemon shit at all.
>>11652658>>11653482Americans were like this with pretty much all Japanese video games.
i too am interested in any other sources besides tcrf. they already have so much but im curious the ratio of that to still undocumented.i guess the issue why we arent seeing much hacks is that the leak didnt really have any kind of code. anything you would see would either be just reskins or complete speculation
>>11653893also info about stuff that tcrf cant catagorize like that sim city image or this
>>11653604I like it, it's fun.
>>11653983I enjoy it too. it's the creativity I prefer over boring generic coombait that plagues fanart now.>>11653893please let me know if you find it.going through the archives is a bit annoying
>>11653893should probably point out i edited these. they dont have those expressions
Yeah each time I see gigaleak stuff I always see stuff I haven't seen before. It's crazy how much Super Mario World stuff there is. It kinda moots the popular belief that it was a rushed game, if anything all this stuff shows it was a game that was very carefully crafted, starting as a simple 16bit update to SMB3 to some really freaky totally different dinopunk madness, to finally the middle ground they reached with the final product.
>>11653604>someone puts effort into something = autismshut the fuck up
>>11654121>dinopunkDinosaurs are due for a comeback in media. Especially since scientists are recreating wooly mice and the like.my favorite thing about that contraption is that it is made from the same wood as ghost houses
>>11654558>scientists are recreating wooly mice and the likeThey're not recreating anything, they're tweaking the genes of mice to have a few "mammoth-like" traits. It's a publicity stunt. Actually recreating a mammoth (what this would actually be is tweaking elephants to have similar genetic traits) would be an incredibly difficult task. Gaining access to elephants for research purposes is going to be difficult to do given their protected status; their populations are in decline and it's taking extensive conservation efforts just to make sure the elephants we have don't go extinct. Also, they take much longer to give birth than lab mice, making the actual process of experimentation tedious as well as taxing on the animals. There's also a shitton more genes that would have to be sequenced and edited to get something resembling a woolly mammoth compared to the relative few genes tweaked in these mouse experiments. As for dinosaurs making a comeback in media, it really wouldn't be the same. We've learned a lot about dinosaurs since the late 80s/early 90s which has blunted their cool factor by a lot. It's now common knowledge with younger generations that Jurassic Park's vicious lizard-beasts are just heavily-fictionalised movie monsters, that many of the "cool" theropods (raptors etc) were covered in colourful feathers thanks to fossil imprints preserving the patterns and colours of said feathers, and that modern birds are a surviving type (the only surviving type) of dinosaur.
>>11654613The elephant thing is rather bleak. Man's greed and outdated cultural superstitions be damned.As for the dinos, I dunno man I still think they can be quite terrifying with feathers and even scaled down a bit.Look at a cassowary and tell me it doesn't freak you out a bit. Anything bigger than that and making hellish noises would be spooky. I want those critters further explored with this "dino punk" action
>>11654613Dinosaurs are still rad, fuck you. The whole scalyfag attitude is retarded, literally the only thing it affects are the smaller theropods.>sauropods>hadrosaurs>thyreophorans>ceratopsiansAll safe. Most of the well-known big carnivores didn't have them, either. Allosaurus had none, and T-Rex is thought to have had a very sparse covering, if any at all. Nobody even cares about the poor ornithomimids, faggots are still just buttmad over their JP raptors, which were never accurate to irl velociraptors to begin with and intended as genetic soup mutant mongrels in-universe from the very outset in the original novel.
smug fuckI love him
>>11654658>>11654976Look, I agree, I still think dinosaurs are interesting. The thing about feathers doesn't faze me personally. I just don't think they have the same mass market appeal that they did when they were portrayed as giant evil killer lizards. Maybe it'll work out but time will tell.
>>11654613Dinos having feathers wasn't really occult knowledge back then, we knew some of them had and I remember the books and magazines always states that dinosaur interpretations are fictitious since we only can imagine from the bones (even how they misinterpreted some skeletons, such as the Iguanodon, back when it was discovered).Jurassic Park started with the famous opening scene of Grant telling the fat kid that these big turkeys would slice his guts out. And also Hammond's grandson being a fan of Grant's works but questioning his bird evolution theory.They were probably similar to birds in some ways, but were still dinosaurs.I'm open to a big ass feathered T-Rex on media if done well.
>>11655515>Dinos having feathers wasn't really occult knowledge back thenThere was a lot of debate about to what extent or what they looked like. There were also the obligatory vocal minority of holdouts who refused to accept the shift in knowledge about it, much like there are a vocal minority who refuse to accept that birds are a surviving group of dinosaurs today. >They were probably similar to birds in some waysHow many people are willing to accept that big vicious carnivores like Carnotaurus might have used their comically stubby forearms for mating displays since they would have had the structure and range of motion to at least wiggle them around but not for much else
>>11655698>There was a lot of debate about to what extent or what they looked like. There were also the obligatory vocal minority of holdouts who refused to accept the shift in knowledge about itMaybe in academic circles, but kids back then would just be just as excited whatever way those big ass creatures looked like, scales or feathers. Btw I never thought dinos having scalea, more like a thick skin like a rhino.
Funny how Yoshi actually looks like a dinosaur here. The current lore is that Yoshi is actually a turtle/koopa and not a dinosaur at all.
>>11655757Dunno about current lore, but actual 90s lore is that the Yoshi we see in the games is a descendant/successor to the old extinct Yoshi (who were larger), and actually, the way Yoshi revived was through fossilized Yoshi eggs from the past, mixed with other creatures (koopas, but also goombas and other Mario enemies), so I guess you could say the Yoshi from the game has some Koopa DNA.It's kinda similar to how in Jurassic Park, they completed dinosaur DNA chain with frog DNA.Curiously, both Super Mario World and Jurassic Park (book) came out the same day
>>11655757>The current lore is that Yoshi is actually a turtle/koopa and not a dinosaur at all.what the fuck, when did that happen?
>>11655757>>11655769I looked it up and apparently it's realhttps://nintendoeverything.com/yoshis-crafted-world-devs-on-the-art-style-kindergarten-inspiration-flip-side-gimmick-more>Q: We talked about this in a previous interview for the SNES Classic Edition, but Yoshi is a turtle, isn’t he?>A: Yes, I had to always insist he was a turtle… (All laugh) Because we wanted a character that wouldn’t feel out of place in the Mario universe, we decided on a turtle. It might have been Miyamoto’s idea but I’m not entirely sure.Straight from Takashi Tezuka, the director of Super Mario World. What the fuck
>>11655916>Yoshi was a turtle all along goy-err guys!the glowies at CERN have done it again lads
>>11655916>might have been Miyamoto’s idea but I’m not entirely sure.Hmmm, sounds like he doesn't solid memories.Tezuka was the director, but he wasn't the designer of Yoshi.In SMW, in Japan, Yoshi was called "Super Dragon Yoshi" (on the message that pops up on Yoshi's House)Then again, in Japan turtles are connected with dragons and kaijus and stuff (see Gamera, kappas, etc)
>>11654121I kind of wonder what SMW would look like if they had another year to work on it. They really dropped a lot of shit in preproduction from the insane time constraints they were working under.
>>11655142Every time you kill one of these things, you're probably saving another planet...
>>11656569As I said, I don't buy the "smw was rushed" narrative. SMW went through a rather long development period (for those times' standards).A lot of retro games had development times of 3 months, 6 months, 8 months... Those were normal development times, and yes, a game with only 3 months of dev time wasnrushed.SMW? They started development right after SMB3, in 1988, until 1990, that's roughly 2 years, and again, they carefully curated and refined ideas until reaching the final version.
>>11656338>In SMW, in Japan, Yoshi was called "Super Dragon Yoshi" (on the message that pops up on Yoshi's House)That makes sense, I remember that dev blog that Sakurai was updating during the development of Brawl (Wonder if I can find an archive of that anywhere) and showed Yoshi's Final Smash where he grows wings, the move is called "Super Dragon" and I recall he says something implying that Yoshi is a dragon and not a dinosaur like most people think.I don't see how he's a turtle, he has no shell (That red thing on his back is a SADDLE), it would make far more sense for him to be a dinosaur considering his origins, but there have been multiple hints from Japanese sources that he is in fact a dragon.All in all though, it all stemmed from Miyamoto loving the idea of riding horses and how he originally wanted to give Mario a horse to ride in SMB.Yoshi being a dragon isn't even a surprise to me, what was a surprise was finding out that Goombas are not mushrooms but chestnuts. Didn't help that the US manual for SMB said they were basically just Toads that betrayed peach and joined Bowser. Though, that manual also claimed that the floating bricks in the game were also former Toads that Bowser turned into bricks so it's not exactly a reliable source of lore.
>>11657045the SNES was still being worked on back then; the hardware design wasn't finalized and they had only prototypes. they didn't know what the finished hardware would look like and things were being changed around as development went on.
>>11654121Those were one of the crazier things I saw in the leak for SMW. I guess they were originally planning to give each of the bosses/Koopalings a vehicle? The tiny weird looking "foot" all of them have is the most confusing thing, from the animated versions I have seen it's the only part that moves. I am guessing that's because an image that big would have to pull the trick of making it a background layer and only making tiny moving parts of it sprites, maybe at most using Mode7 to make it rotate like that whale boss in Kirby, but that foot is still so odd looking.Makes me wonder if it was just a placeholder or something not meant to be seen by having it be obscured behind some other graphic it connects to, or if these were some sort of train that runs along a track, would explain the single wheel all of them have.
>>11657060The overall specs didn't change much, at most they had to make small adjustments but the core game design was the same throughout these 2 years. >>11657095It's probably what ended up being the Koopalings' mecha-vehicles on Yoshi's Safari
>>11655769>>11655916Takashi Tezuka has been harping on it for a while>Tezuka: Yoshi was originally supposed to be a type of Koopa. That saddle you see on his back was actually his shell.https://www.mariowiki.com/File:SMHAmerican_SMW_and_SMAS.jpg>ですから、最初は恐竜だと思ってずっと絵を描いていたのですが、後になって本当はクッパなどと同じカメ一族のキャラクターだったと聞かされました。それで、だんだん時間が経つにつれてヨッシーのデザインがカメ的なものに近付いていったんですよ。みなさんお気付きでしたか?>So, at first I kept drawing him thinking he was a dinosaur, but later I was told that he was really a character from the turtle clan, like Bowser and others. So, as time went by, Yoshi's design gradually became more and more turtle-like. Did you guys notice that?https://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/742615.html>Even though there's a shell on his back, we actually don't know whether Yoshi's a dinosaur or a turtle!https://www.nintendo.co.jp/kids/character/yoshi/index.htmlhttps://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Yoshi_profiles_and_statistics#Kids_section_of_Nintendo_Co..2C_Ltd._site>Tezuka: That happened relatively quickly. I kind of forced the design through, saying, “It’s related to turtles.” (laughs)>Sao: That’s why, instead of a saddle, what’s on Yoshi’s back is...>Nogami: A shell. Even after I joined the company, Tezuka kept insisting that it was a shell. (laughs)>Sao: (laughs) And that’s how Super Mario World, which debuted Yoshi as kin to turtles, became the top-selling title worldwide for Super NES.https://www.nintendo.co.uk/News/2017/October/Nintendo-Classic-Mini-SNES-developer-interview-Volume-5-Super-Mario-World-and-Super-Mario-World-2-Yoshi-s-Island-1290850.html
>>11652174Source: My ass
>>11651192I would not let that Yoshi babysit my kid.
i figured the skull cars was planned as a deviant of the tank levels in 3
>>11660628They don't look like you can stand on them though. I think they were meant as boss vehicles, what basically became Bowser's clown flying car.
That's basically how I felt playing old beta versions of Time Bandit and seeing maps that didn't exist in the later game. Like exploring whole hidden worlds...
>>11660630could be 3 switches to stomp on
>>11652908>Yoshi if he on crack
>>11654976Velociraptor is just a fucking cool name>John Ostrom, who discovered Deinonychus, was also consulted by Crichton for the novel, and later by director Steven Spielberg for the film adaptation. Ostrom said that Crichton based the novel's Velociraptors on Deinonychus in "almost every detail", but ultimately chose the name Velociraptor because he thought it sounded more dramatic
Why was he cut from the lore? I would like to see how he would of fit into the current lore.
These things look cool, I hate that they were never brought back for any Mario game.
>>11656338Or he’s just lying. Japanese devs oddly have this tendency, it might be a Japanese thing overall.
>>11660814If he is, it might be a "toe the company line" kind of thing, where a higher-up decided well after the fact that Yoshi is a turtle, so that's the story everyone is to stick to regardless of whatever was originally intended.
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>>11653482It’s dinosaur land so it has cavemen, duh
>>11660776Didn't fit into Miyamoto's function over anything else autism so they replaced him with a text box to show how that works
>>11662076Why is almost every decision Miyamoto always make things worse? He effectively killed the entire StarFox series.
What was Sega going to do with these?
>>11662275>>11662276this is the mario world beta thread not the general prototype thread but also its just random STI assets, the first one probably wasnt even intended for a game
>>11662291Oops.
>>11662264His source is his ass, though
>>11653704Cute, but I know half the thread is cooming to this right now
>>11662276>>11662291OP here, are threads like that frequent here? I wouldn't mind seeing some other weird recent findings like that here as well
>>11662615Anon that posted the Sonic 2 image here. To be honest I do not know how common beta threads are as I only come here on & off. As for other weird beta content, I can't think of a lot of examples currently, there is that weird audio file from the Half Life 2 leaked beta back in 2003.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WvnKXMp5uAI don't think anyone knows what the audio is supposed to go to, & it is hard to even tell what it is supposed to be.
>>11662615I guess to keep with the Mario theme of the thread, There is a side scrolling shooter game on the DS called Bangai-O Spirits, & there is an unused graphic in the game files of a custom Mario level.
>>11662661wtf lol
>>11662615While its not Beta content, one of the last things I think is worth mentioning with weird shit, there is a shovelware DS game called Spanish For Everyone, basically you play as a kid that goes to Mexico to learn spanish. At the end of the games story, your character says goodbye to his friend, & while he walks away, you see a bunch of cars pull up to his friends house, & a few seconds into the text that shows up, you can hear bullets being shot. You are also given a box of "puffy dolls" by the same friend along with a note that asks the main character to deliver the package to a friend of his. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baR_KZx5VooThat is really the only weird stuff I can think of at this moment, & honestly I do not want to derail the thread too much so that is all I will post of non Mario stuff for now.
>>11652692>Discord serversAre zoomers naturally brain dead? Why put important shit on something that could disappear if the server owner or the company itself decides to turn the servers off?
>>11662661holy shit I remember this, was it called castle shenanigans or something like that?
>>11662698That ENTIRE game is basically a shitpost that heavily implies said friend is the son of a Mexican drug cartel leader, IIRC you run into a prostitute at one point. All under the guise of it being a kids game about learning Spanish.>>11662935I think so, for some reason they are obsessed with putting everything on Discord, even though it was never meant to be used for the kinds of things people keep using it for. It was just supposed to be a fucking IM/voice chat client for gaming, basically a replacement for Team Speak or freaking AIM. Yet people are using it in place of blogs, forums, file servers, actual websites, etc. The most fucking annoying is when you have to go to some idiot's Discord just to get a LIST of files that you then have to download from Mega or whatever, because Discord can't host files beyond a few MB depending on if you pay monthly for your account or not. They even reduced their upload limit from 25MB to 10MB for free users. The only silver lining is that apparently Discord has been bought by someone else recently that appears to be running it into the ground, so hopefully some people will start leaving that trash.
>>11662693Holy fuck!
>>11651203Mini Mario looks very soulful
Greetings, fellow Anons.It appears we are discussing SMW development history and information. And as luck would have it, so too is the giga(retarded)leak being discussed in this thread. OP, this guy >>11652692, and to a lesser extent >>11652908 have all mentioned the piss poor documentation of said leaked information, either due to the documentation being split between multiple sources, or sites unwillingness to report on the information, all of which are very astute and common observations and opinions when discussing the giga leak. I would like to offer my theories as to why such behaviors arose during the initial breakthroughs of the information leaks. To keep the thread as close to the topic of SMW, I will be providing archive links to threads containing my theories, as those threads were both on /vp/, and as such, the content of those threads was slanted towards the discussion of the Pokémon side of the leaks. My posts can be identified by the simple one or two character filenames of the attatched image files, or with (1/?) For the posts. https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/50205688/#50206835https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/57597449/#57597449Please do give the posts a read to try to see a potential viewpoint on why the leaks were handled so poorly. Any changes in opinions displayed between the posts can be attribuited to the three year gap between the posts, and in that time my mindset and beliefs have changed. Good readings everyone, thank you OP for making a gigaleak thread to discuss the facsinating history of SMW.
>>11662935>>11663312I think it's as simple as it's what they use and know best, and they don't think about it much beyond that because they're young, though I wouldn't be surprised if some of them like the "control" it gives them or the feeling that they're gatekeepers of a sekrit club you have to join to get what you want.
>>11652692At least I saved most of the major threads across /vr/, /vg/, /v/ and some of /vp/. Not sure if it's all of it though
The Super Castlevania IV stuff was wild. It's strange nobody did a wiki-type site with all the gigaleak stuff.
>>11654613>blunted their cool factor by a lot.Gotta disagree, man. Dinos are awesome, moreso now that they have feathers and fat instead of being skin wrapped murder machines (which was always fucking retarded).
>>11664645Ive been thinking about SUE the Trex a lot lately. This was a giant reptile that experienced a hard life before becoming preserved for millions of years. Thats awesome.>>11664491What stuff was found?>>11664213Thanks for the links anon. At lesst nothing seems truly gone from what was chosen to be leaked
>>11664754>What stuff was found?A late build of the game's prototype. Later than the earlier build from the old US commercial clip with the ground digging boss, but a bit earlier than the final game, and has a number of differences, most of the enemies have different sprites and the music is a also a demo version of the final one, with many different arrangements for the songs we already know, and some surprises, for example, the intro music from the Library theme was originally going to be the map music. Speaking of the map, it was also different as you can see on the post you replied to. It was more of a pseudo 3D map, with a sort of "geographical" cut to the side. Best thing about it is a totally new music theme for stage 2.https://youtu.be/ml-85phCpq4?si=CIbvsegnNGjOjc7bThe game is playable but needs passwords/hacking to play later levels (which are all barebone WIP development tool assets)
>>11651192that faggot wack0 is still hoarding more nintendo files. he became active on discord starting last year and has been talking about how the police just gave him back all his stuff unwiped and how he still has a bunch of stuff. it's infuriating.
>>11666647What stops these people from saying they found this stuff on a dvd-r they found on the streets?
>>11653482Cave people would have been a fun addition, why didn't miyamutoid think of it?
>>11655698SAYING BIRDS ARE DINO SURVIVORSIS LIKE SAYING ANY JEW ALIVE IN THE 1940'S, NO MATTER WHERE ON EARTH, SURVIVED THE HALL OF COST.BIRDS WERE A THING **DURING** DINOSAURS. THEY DIDNT "TURN INTO" BIRDS. BIRDS ARE AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN BIRDS.
What's stopping someone to make a wiki with all the stuff together and catalogued?
>>11669961Me.
>>11668189Birds are a subgroup of theropod dinosaurs which evolved during the Jurassic period. They were the only group that was able to survive the K-Pg extinction due to their accumulated specializations- their relatively small size, flight, beaks, and flexible diet of other things that were able to survive and thrive under those conditions would have helped a lot in the aftermath. So yes, they are "dino survivors" in that sense.
>>11667934I barely got the impression the island was a Dinosaur land at all when there are like...3 dinosaurs living on it? Why bother pretending it had a dino theme at all. It's just another wacky mushroom kingdom place.
>>11670486It has a few more than 3:RexesYoshiEeriesBlaargsDino-rhinoReznorI think it has a decent amount of dinos, while at the same time not going overboard and maintaining the Mario feel as well.
>>11662698>game opens with /ss/I was about to complain about all the DS shovelware but now I'm thinking it's based.
>>11666647Sauce? that fucking sucks.
>>11672915He's a Pokeautist of the highest kind. This is par for the course.
>>11666647wasnt he like banned from using the internet completely
>>11674112How is that even enforceable or reasonable to do in this decade? Imagine banning someone from plumbing or electricity. The internet is pretty necessary these days unless you want to live like a hermit. Can't even apply for a job in most places without it nowadays.
>>11651192It's criminal that we got this piece of shit Bowser sprite for SMW in mario maker instead of something like that with the orange and green pallette
>>11674365yeah a lot of Super Mario Maker sprites were weird in how they weren't accurate
>>11674349thats what im getting at. im curious how they would go about enforcing that
>>11674349Guy could easily get online again if he wanted, he’s just a pussy.
>>11674743>>11674818I wasn't even focusing on enforcement, I was talking about how it's pretty important to have internet access these days to even function in modern society or even get a job, these "no internet" rules are something archaic from decades ago and practically on par with cutting off somebody's water or electricity these days. How is it even allowed to ban someone from the internet anymore.
>>11674826The criminal code is just like that. Very rarely is it reformed or updated for the times, partly because lawmakers are largely out of touch boomers, and also because most of the population doesn't give a shit about prisoners or convicted felons (they are societal pariahs the moment they step out and are assumed to be bad regardless of what they did), and no lawmaker wants to be painted as being "soft on crime". I think the last time they made portions of it laxer was back in like 2018 with the First Step Act, which as its name implies was meant to be a first of many steps toward updating and overhauling crime laws to make more sense in today's age, but that was pretty much the end of that. There's just not enough of a push to do more, especially right now with the massive pendulum swing we're seeing.
>>11651192I'm sad about the torrents that are lost. There's still people seeding them but getting the torrent files is impossible now. It's not like the rentry anon put the direct magnets in the rentry. Since buzzheavier got raided by the police and its servers confiscated last year, they had to wipe everything at that point, I believe. That includes the .torrent files.
>>11669961The question remains
>>11653070It reminds me of Wizards and the birds in moebius and naisicaa
>>11654121So you have more robot mecha dinopunk stuff from the leaks? I completely missed this when the Gigaleak happened first
>>11656338>>11655916>>11657052>In SMW, in Japan, Yoshi was called "Super Dragon Yoshi" (on the message that pops up on Yoshi's House)I always thought Yoshi was supposed to be a dragon because even over here the Dragon Coins has Yoshi's face on it and he breaths fire with the red shell.I never realized this until recently but I think in Mario Wonder the level where you resurrect dragons is based on all this background stuff. They have big Yoshi faces and are resurrected. Except they're revived to their original forms and not mixed with other DNA. The whole stages gimmick is that plus riding on their back.
I always thought Yoshi was just delusional and liked to refer to himself as a Super Dragon when really he's just a stupid horse.
>>11677462The original ancient Yoshi were similar to Yoshi, just larger.But maybe the dragons are related to Yoshi, too.
