>Try to keep things /vr/ related: Focus should be on 6th Gen Consoles and older. Slight off topic is fine so long as it's related to CRTs, such as later 16:9 models, HD models, etc. Systems with backwards compatibility are also safe territory, as are re-releases on newer hardware. PC CRTs are also welcome and appreciated.>Produce OC! Bust out your camera and take photos of your CRTs displaying all sorts of games, featuring all sorts of tubes, using all sorts of signals. Getting good shots can be hard, but if you take enough, at least a few will turn out alright.>Try and give as much information as possible when asking for info on a specific set, or troubleshooting an issue to expedite and help you may receive. As always, Google is your friend and we are your friends with benefits. Do people read this? Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either; Seriously, there's literally 6 years of backlog at this point.>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. Always remember to show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.Limited discussion of video processing and scaling devices is alright, but remember to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories.CRT Pastebin (Never Ever) : http://pastebin.com/1Ri5TS3xGuide to CRT Hunting : http://pastebin.com/H9H9L2LQGuide to Video Monitors : http://pastebin.com/pQX4N6gZGeneral Purpose CRT Adjustment Guide : http://www.arcaderepairtips.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/guide_setup_adjust_arcade_monitors_v1.2.0.pdfS-Video Pasta : http://pastebin.com/rH2h6C7WBKM-10R Protocol Info : http://pastebin.com/aTUWf33JJVC RGB card cloning guide : https://pastebin.com/EXqMBfcY
Just got this one free from work. It was hanging for like 20 years unused, hardly used before that. It's a 32" which is the largest I have now. It's possible to 1 man carry though it is a bitch. Overall I'm happy. It doesn't have any obvious issues.
>>11970201Oh also I mindlessly rolled my windows down when going home (i always do this to let the hot air out before turning on AC) and it instantly created a disgusting dust storm in the car.
>>11970201crazy how what's on the screen looks like a video frame with some lines over it whereas on a lcd this looks like some cheap polygons. look at that glow inside the tunnel. the shadow of the left bollard. looks fuckin reality, idealized
>>11970176I'm the Aiwa anon from the last thread, just wanted to share my experience so far with my CRT, for any future archive spelunkers searching for opinions on Aiwa sets.I'm really enjoying everything about it so far. The geometry on this thing is holding up pretty well, with a very, very small deviation to the right side, but it's unnoticeable during gameplay.I don't have a remote, but my phone has an IR Blaster and I'm able to control everything, including menus, easily with the Lean Remote app.The menus on the TV are limited, but do their job perfectly to adjust the image and coloring, although I still want to look deeper into the service menus.The speakers on this thing are insanely good, they legitimately sound better than a couple of my newer LED TVs that are 1-2 years old. I don't get audio via SCART for some reason, but now the front inputs are working flawlessly, after some tinkering.I haven't played as much as I would've liked, but in the last couple of days with it, I've been emulating some Mega CD via Wii homebrew and the experience is awesome. Finished both Terminator and Sonic CD already, going to play Snatcher next.Don't be afraid of these lesser name brands when getting a CRT. Aiwa kicks ass!
>>11970176That's a pretty decently sized CRT.Beats the people gaming on pathetic tiny tubes like picrel.
>>11970865I can't understand people who game on CRTs under 20 inches. It's a really shit experience, these small TVs were literally made for kids to watch VHS on, or as a secondary set you'd have in a small bedroom or in your kitchen or something.Inb4 >But muh 8-16 bit games are better on smaller screensNo they fucking aren't, that's a cope. Ideal size for 8-16 bit games is 20+ inches and if you're playing anything 3D post 5th gen you gotta AT LEAST have a 24 incher.It's not like 20+ inch CRTs are that much more expensive or rare compared to little sets, if you're in the market to buy a CRT for retro gaming, do yourself a favor and stay away from little CRTs as your main driver.Maybe get one if you like collecting CRTs and you want a 2nd or 3rd option just for then lolz
>>11971321agreed
>>11970214Dust things before putting them in your car.
>>11971321I have 2 32 inch CRTs and a 36 inch and I mostly use a 13 inch. You are the one coping since you don't have a small TV and the only thing left was giant TVs.
>>11970214>and it instantly created a disgusting dust storm in the carNew cleaning tech thanks anon
>>11971321>>11971326>agreeing with yourself
>>11971387I kept my parents TVs from when i was a kid, and the best one is a 26" Sharp from the 90s. Second best a 32" Sony HDTV WEGA until it shat the bed about a decade ago. Third best is a 36" Panasonic from the early 00s, which i keep in my bedroom that i can pull 46(?)" modern tv in front of to play current shit.You know the difference between all of them? BARELY a difference and they're all better than everything below 26", because you can see more shit on the bigger TVs.I also have a couple of computer monitors (NEC and Apple), which are sub-20" and while they were nice, i don't think i can really connect them to anything modern now. So they 've been in deep storage ever since i gave up on playing oldass computer games 15 years ago.I'm a bit of a hoarder and it's nice to have options, as old shit dies and I'm afraid that repairmen are less common. Wasn't worth it to keep my WEGA going when it died and my Panasonic needed a fix around that time too.I got rid of the smaller shit years ago, because I'm not that big of hoarder. I used to work at a TV station decades ago, so i passed on some oldass quality shit when they were upgrading, which makes me a little sad.
>>11971427>You know the difference between all of them? BARELY a difference and they're all better than everything below 26", because you can see more shit on the bigger TVs.I have no problem seeing on a small TV. When I use a big CRT I'm sitting far enough away it's similar to using a small one up close. I guess there's a difference if you sit super close to a giant TV but I'm not going to put a giant CRT in my bedroom. They have their pros and cons. The super tiny CRTs like 9 inch are pretty bad but a 13 inch+ is fine from desk distance.>I used to work at a TV station decades ago, so i passed on some oldass quality shit when they were upgrading, which makes me a little sad.I didn't work at a TV station but I feel similarly. I didn't want to overhoard TVs and be stuck with stuff I had to move with or recycle eventually. I didn't know the value would go up and I could just sell them if it came down to it. 10 years later and my best CRTs have all died so I wish I picked up more.
>>11970415>Don't be afraid of these lesser name brands when getting a CRT. Aiwa kicks ass!You sure its a AIWA and not some Daewoo, Vestel, Beko rebrand or something?What chassi does it use?
>>11971321Worst thing about about the 21" CRT range is that there were a lot of fake 21" tvs out there.Proper 21" CRT has a 51cm tube in europe, some were shipped with 48cm.
>>11970415looks like you have the brightness a bit high there, you should turn it down until blacks are black
>>11971579There were no rebrands of that sort in my geographic area, this is 100% a Aiwa CRT>>11971587Yeah I know, definitely need to work on balancing the image
Freebie Trinny with stand near Evansville IN. Looks enormous maybe 36"
>>11971669Brightness should usually be near middle and use the contrast to adjust how bright it actually is
>>11971669Just for curiosity what is the model number?
>>11971670just dm'ed them to let them know it's worth $700 (4 months of weed money aka JACKPOT thanks for dying grandma). price should update soon.
>>11971835Lmfao if you actually did that.
>>11971336Yes, but the context is I work at a school and I took this down from the wall mount w/ a janitor and the principal right before school started. So I really did not have time. It would have been fine if I hadn't turned the car into a wind tunnel.
Well, I finally fell for the Trinitron scam. First time paying for a CRT and it was $120. I kind of went in expecting this to be a ripoff because it's such a gamble with trinitrons - I always assume they're run into the ground with a bazillion hours. This one seems ok - pre-WEGA flat screen so I can't check the hours sadly. I only noticed one minor geometry issue (visible horizontal red line in the top left) that I should be able to fix in the service menu. So far so good I guess. This thing is a goddamn bitch to carry though. Everything online says it's 103lb but it was harder to carry than any other TV i've gotten. It's doable 1 man since it has these built in handles on the side but it's still a bitch.
>>11971875>Well, I finally fell for the Trinitron scamDoes it only have composite or something?
>>11971880No it has component and S-video too. I just have always been very skeptical of expensive trinitron listings.
>>11971676Thanks for the tip, anon, I'll try it this way!>>11971682Aiwa SE 2130 EZ
>>11971835> it's worth $700It's not though.
>>11971321I don't have the space for something that big, at least with the 14 inch one I have I can just put it on my desk and not have it be in the way. Also, I can't make the space, I gave up a huge chunk of my space just to have a home gym I already made my choice.
Anybody have an experience with department of corrections TVs?
>>11971321not everyone wants to deal with moving massive fucking 30 inch TVs up or down a flight of stairs and finding room for it, have you considered this? especially if you're just getting into the hobby and don't want to over-commit to a large TV that you might have to move yourself. 20 inch and below are decent starter TVs if you're just looking to play some nostalgic favorites and want something quick and convenient.>AT LEAST have a 24 incherI think these midrange sizes are ideal but they're fairly uncommon compared to smaller sets.
>>11971321>these small TVs were literally made for kids to watch VHS on, or as a secondary set you'd have in a small bedroom or in your kitchen or something.anon, my family's tv growing up was only about 13 inchesit was the only tv in the houseI definitely don't mind gaming on such a small crt these days, and I don't have the space for a bigger one anyway
- CRTs are no longer produced because they have inferior picture quality versus LCDs- CRTs emit dangerous levels of X-rays or other forms of radiation- CRTs always have easily-visible flicker- CRTs always cause eyestrain- CRTs always make a high-pitched squealing noise- CRTs contain lethal amounts of electricity, even when unplugged- CRTs need calibration more than two to three times a year- Overall CRT black levels are not superior to LCDs because ambient light ruins CRT black levels- Analog CRTs have more processing time than digital LCDs due to poor RAMDAC performance- Afterimages caused by phosphor decay are extremely annoying and are a significant downside of CRTs- Sending an improper mode (resolution or refresh rate) to a CRT can cause permanent damage- CRTs cannot have touchscreens- 4:3 is so bad that nobody should use a non-widescreen CRT- The Sony GDM-FW900 is the only CRT worth owning- Curved CRTs have objectively inferior picture quality versus flat CRTs with otherwise equal specifications- CRTs should not be used because they are heavier and deeper than LCDs- CRTs have severe reflections because they do not have matte coats- CRTs can be permanently damaged by nearby magnets- Analog signals limit a CRT's resolutions and refresh rates and negatively effect picture quality- Heavy metals are used in CRT glass to reduce radiation
>>11972049yeah but youre a fag and thats reason enough to not listen to you
>>11972049copypasta bait fag
>>11971996They have a certain odor.
>>11971835Grandma left me years of weed money. I bet yours didn't care.
>>1197132114" fits better on my desk, also more compact to have beside my bed as a secondary bedroom tv. i also have another 14" beside my main 27" gaming crt to watch movies on while i game :0)
RF on a 13" >>>>>> whatever the fuck you wasted money on
>>11972357poorfag cope
>>11972357>gaming on a 13 inch screen
Every day i get closer and closer to the age where i wont be able to lift this 36” crt out of my basement
>>11971676>>11971682A good way of adjusting brightness (black level) is to turn it all the way down and then go up gradually and stop when the dark grays are no longer getting crushed to black (and blacks are not yet gray). Similar with contrast (white level), you should set it so that it's comfortable to view in your environment, but if you set it too high, you're gonna get the highlights blown out.
I've been playing emulated SNATCHER on a Grundig I've owned since the early 00s. I really like this screen, although it cuts off on the corners. But it's proper comfy and the image is nice.
>>11971463>I have no problem seeing on a small TV. When I use a big CRT I'm sitting far enough away it's similar to using a small one up close.I get that you're supposed to sit like 8 feet away from a CRT if it's 24"+, but did anyone ever actually do this? My dad had a 6' rear projection TV and even with that we were at 10 feet, with plenty of room behind the couch, because that's what felt natural. He had everything professionally set up too. So some guys came in to set up the surround sound, vcr, stereo, and pushed our couch waaay back. A day later, my dad had placed the couch almost in the middle of the room.All through the 80s and 90s, i never saw anyone sit across the room from their TV. Most people sat or laid in front of their TV at maybe 5 feet away when watching TV and 2-3 feet away when playing on console.Did arcades train us to play ~2 feet away from the TV or do we sit much closer than the recommended distance because that's what's more natural for our eyes?Even when i play games on my 36", I'm not laying in bed, but sitting on a chair so i can get 3 feet close to it.
>>11970176I was thinking about saving up to import some old Japanese computers. They tend to have 14-15" CRT monitors. After seeing the immense effort to safely transport such devices from https://youtu.be/JfZxOuc9Qwk?si=0c8deRU56mSDxuhX&t=904 I realized the immense challenge. What are some reliable couriers that can package and deliver such heavy CRTs from Japan to the US safely? If I ever save up enough to go to Japan, how could I safely transport one of those monitors back with me and a ballpark cost? Let me know if you have successfully imported Japanese computers and how it was achieved.
scored this badboy for free. unfortunately as you can see from the stretching in the left third, the horizontal linearity on this thing is fucked 6 ways from sunday. and as we all know, that's an unfixable problem. i've thought about selling it, but more than likely i'll just smash it to pieces since it's totally unfit for use.
>>11972562Based, I had a small Grundig too until it died in the mid 10s, rip
>>11971321I played through the entirety of FF7 on a 14" CRT in my bedroom and it remains one of my favorite gaming experiences ever.
>>11972782Brand and model?
>>11971875Flat screen crts can be significantly heavier, since they use alot more glass for the screen.>>11972357This man knows the way.
>>11971321For desk gaming they're 100% fine and since they're meant to be viewed up close, the image will be sharper vs if you are gaming on a 20+ inch up close. This is a bizarre thing to get bent over.
>>11972825sharp 25r-s100
>>11972782Explain to a noob what's so bad about it?
>>11972782that geometry looks perfectly usable
>>11972836>This is a bizarre thing to get bent over.welcome to four channel dot org
>>11972832Yeah, I don't think the 103lb figure is actually wrong though. I think it's that the weight is very bottom heavy and heavy on the screen side. so if you dont pick it up by the built in handles it feels as if it weighs more. I have sets that technically weigh more but are way easier to pick up and carry.
>>11972879it's pure eye rape. sledgehammer is required.
lots of people replying to bait this thread.
thanks to the anon that recommended this in a previous thread. god send with the s-video ports and the fact that it's powered.
I've recently acquired a few CRTs and I want to learn how they work and how to repair them. I'm aware of Randy Fromm's video lectures and I even bought his book, but I'd prefer more literature. I ordered a later edition of "TV Repair for Beginners" but I'd also like more in depth reading on electrical theory and circuits. I am a complete beginner and not a tinkerer, so I'd like to really get a decent grasp on the technology before opening it up and poking around. Any reading recommendations?
>>11971670Don't worry the bitch upped the price to $200 and some retard bought it.
>>11972613Don't.
>>11972976Shut up. It's literally the only way these threads will survive.
>>11972613Yeah, don't. Get a more modern 20" screen, none of these use anything funky, you'll get a better picture and all you'll miss out on is having a bunch of crappy failing screens around.
>>11972607Sitting that close to a giant TV is weird as fuck guy
>>11973618Not weird at all, because everyone in the 80s and 90s sat close to their TVs.
>>11973637Close to their 14 inch TVs yes. Bigger living room TVs were sat further away from unless you were in some weird autistic family.
>>11973650The only time i ever saw people sit more than 6 feet away from their televisions was in grade school and high school, because that shit was on the walls or those carts at the front of the classroom.Like i said earlier, at all the houses I've been to, friends, relatives, and various parties throughout the 80s and 90s, the TV was always way closer than any chart or eye safety guideline would recommend.How old are you and are you scared of CRT radiation?The latter might scare a few soccermoms, but all my friends' moms weren't all that into scaremongered shit. I even got to play D&D with my friends at my catholic school without getting lectured about satan in the 80s. Even Bart Simpson was allowed.Today, I'll watch DVDs on my CRTs from my bed or couch, and the furtherest that is about 9 feet, but for gaming, it just looks and feels natural to be up close. So i wonder if it playing at arcades is what trained people like me to play our games up close.
>>11973314cant argue with that i guess
Whatever happened to that universal crt board project?I do get that it would be a pain with all the different neckboards, but most crts get thrashed because of some capacitor, ic or flyback failure.Another problem that's not talked about is the housing breaking due to brittle aged plastic
>>11970201>>11971670>>11972782I wonder for how long these free "deals" will last...Between 2007 and 2013, when LCD was getting big and everyone was throwing out CRTs, as if those things carried the plague, you'd constantly find freebies online or near dumpsters or the curb.Now, the good free/almost free deals still exist, but it's getting harder to get them and we're starting to see bigger, better sets go for the price of a new LED TV.CRT gaming is getting bigger as more millennials, zillenials and zoomers find out that they've been playing their retro games on trash modern displays not intended for old games, and that filters are gay cringe.I can't imagine what the market will look like in the next 10 years, when collectors hoard even more sets, some sets start dying off and the casual Joes wanting to get rid of these old beasts will be using Ebay prices, as they'll be more tech savvy and "know what they have".
>>11973716>Another problem that's not talked about is the housing breaking due to brittle aged plasticI have this on one of my Trinitrons from 95. There's a non zero chance of it falling apart if I move it again, which is why I don't plan to until I move from this house.
>>11972970looks fine to me
CRT nigger
>>11975609LED filter fag
>>11973689What the fuck kind of rooms had everyone sitting 6 feet from the TV? You are full of shit. Nobody sat that close unless it was a tiny bedroom TV for kids.
>>11971321I prefer 20-21 inch TVs, because they are much easier to handle and store in my basement. I like switching them up from time to time (from PVM to normal Trinitron, then some cheap slot mask shitbox etc). There's no way to comfortably do that with the big ones
Did they make high end (110+kHz horizontal scan rate, extensive adjustment options in service menu) Diamondtron VGA monitors in 17 inch tube size? I've only ever seen their 19 and bigger monitors with such features
>>11975962Most rooms? Most houses?How big do you think most rooms are anyway? Did you know that houses used to be built smaller, more compartmentalized? My parents got a nice airy house in the 80s, with 20 foot ceilings at various places and "open plan" rooms, because they moved on the new side of the city with all the new houses.My friends who lived on the old side? Even when they had a big house, they had rather small rooms because they were compartmentalized. The kitchen was its own room. The living room was its own room, with two doors leading to it. The dining room was it own room. The den was its own room. Hallways leading to these rooms. Nice and cramp feeling, compared to modern homes you started seeing being made from the 80s, 90s, and onward.So you had rooms like this, where the TV couldn't be at the recommended 8-10' viweing distance, because the room didn't have the space for it.something something something about zoomers who are weirded out because the tv isn't 10 feet above their heads>>11976085ill never understand people who think TVs are supposed to be portable. You're supposed to move your TV once in its life time and that's where it's staying for the next 2-5 decades.
>find old childhood BUSH crt in the loft>hook ps2 up to it>not RGB scart compatible even though it was required for European sets (they had the rgb pins but didn't connect them to cheap out apparently)>look online for CRT's locally, price gouged to hell and back on every marketplace>only ones that are even remotely decent value-wise are 60-100km+ away
>>11976126I've never seen a house with a living room that small. You must be from another country or something. No one in the US sat 6 feet from their TV unless it was small.
>>11976094I've only ever seen a 96kHz 17" screen, and that is already surprising. But Eizo and Iiyama are the kings of scan rates so maybe they made one, but I just scanned a list of common monitors and most don't come close. The 17" iiyama MT-9017E does 96kHz.
>tfw using bigger crts as stands for smaller crts
>>11977589I was trying to find models that are 17 inch screen or less and over 90kHz. I think these are:CTX PR711FCompaq P720Iiyama Vision Master Pro 413I found those on this list through archive.org http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,104387,00.asp
>>11977648Missed a couple more:Samsung SyncMaster 700NFNEC-Mitsubishi MultiSync FE791SB
>>11971321A 13" one is what I had around. It fits on my desk and feels fine to play on.
>>11977547I really have to question how old you are and how old the houses you've been to are.Modern rooms aren't that small, because houses are more open than they used to be, but everything was definitely smaller. Giant rooms for medium and small homes definitely weren't a thing until the 80s, maybe early 70s.I grew up in California btw, so there was a giant boom in housing all the way until high school. So as i went from grade school, to middle school, and into HS, i also got to see all the new neighborhoods that kept on being created because i kept changing/gaining friends who lived in them.Like cow pastures that i used pass on my way to a middle school dance, became gated communities with two story houses where an HS friend lived. A public golf course that sprang up that were surrounded by overpriced tiny houses had bigger living rooms than the upscale neighborhood that surrounded one of the oldest country clubs in CA.And that's not to say there weren't big living rooms before, but they seemed rare and I never actually saw them used to watch TV.There's a type of house that was probably popular in the 60s with a floorplan where you actually step down into the living room and there's "windows" in the walls surrounding it, like a fake courtyard but inside the house. I went to 4 houses like this and no one ever kept their TV inside this great room, because everyone used it as a place to entertain guests. Most times the TV was in an adjoining room, which basically looked like an oversized hallway thanks to the house's floor plan. So they sat maybe 6 feet away from the TV... and now that i think about it, there's no good way to put cable into a courtyard room like that without looking ugly as fuck. So they couldn't put a TV in there. This could create a lot of viewing/TV placement problems if your house was constructed before cable TV became a thing.
>>11976126>>11977602>>11977652Thanks anon, appreciate it. I'll keep a lookout for any of these. I found a NEC FE771SB available for cheap, but that one tops at 70kHZ or so (1024x768 at 87Hz). I have a 17 inch monitor with standard scan rates already, I wanted to look for something more high end, and there's no way I could comfortably fit a 19 incher or bigger on my desk
>>11976126>ill never understand people who think TVs are supposed to be portable. You're supposed to move your TV once in its life time and that's where it's staying for the next 2-5 decades.I really don't care what I'm "supposed" to do
>>11977713I'm 38 and I'm not reading all that. Sitting that close is abnormal.
>>11978306Brains are wonderful things. Use it or lose it.
>>11978370The unnecessary length of your posts indicates amphetamines or ritalin. I'm happy not using my brain like you.
>>>11978306 38And how old were the houses you've been in? IF they were made after the 70s, rooms were designed to be bigger, thus allowing people to sit further away from their TV.My entire post was just to explain the different archetcture over the decades and why people before your time would sit closer.I still think people who were born earlier would sit closer, because arcades taught us we're supposed to be 2-3 feet away from the screen though.ALSO, big TVs used to be rare. Big TVs didn't become common until the 90s and even then, anything over 26 or 28" was pretty damn expensive. So people were used to sitting close to their small TVs and didn't change their habit when bigger TVs started becoming more available.>>11978867that's not me (and i appreciate him reading my blog) and the only meds i've taken were for an overactive thyroid, which I no longer need to take. Shit was a bitch, because i gained nearly 80lbs within 4 months of taking them. Miraculously, i went from 170 to 240 without any stretch marks.
i want the giant sony crt that 6 or 7 guys had to carry on that youtube video.
just picked up 2 viewsonic CRT monitors, except one didnt come with the power cable. Whats a good replacement I can buy for cheap without worrying about burning down my house?
>>11979965It's just a fucking piece of copper man. The PSU is inside the CRT
>>11979965Pc monitors? They all take the same universal power cord, I think it’s even the same one the phat ps3 uses. You can’t fuck it up if you tried
>>11979929buy one of the 40" Mitsubishis that are relatively common
>>11971321I have over 100 crts, big and small, and i have zero reasons to cope. 8bit stuff does look better on a small(not tiny handheld size) tv. Specifically anything up to the pc engine i will prefer a smaller screen. The only times im not playing nes stuff on a "kitchen counter" sized set, is when im using my Sharp NES tv. Sometimes i will play atari era stuff on a big living room console tv i have, but i dont really give a fuck about the look of RF stuff so blurriness is par for the course.
>>11978306retard
>>11980143recs on racs?I have too much shit and all these racks online look like weak trash
>>11979905I'm talking about big TVs though you are bringing up completely unrelated shit about arcades and the era before big TVs were common. It was never normal to sit close to a large CRT only small ones.
>No one used high TVL sets with sharp image quality back in the dayOh yes? explain this. Poorfags, how do we cope?
>>11981095Wtf you mean developers and professional editors at magazines had high TVL stuff? Woah that means consumers did too because its the same thing.
>>11981119>wtf you want ME a HOBBYIST to have HOBBYIST consumption habits? NOOOOOOOO I'LL CONSUME IN THE NORMALFAGGOT WAY!/vr/ is the only community that does this. Why? You don't see photographers clinging to point and shoot cameras of 30 years ago
>>11981126Developers and magazines editors had the exact same equipment as normal people in their living room. You are smart.
>>11981130>no one actually used reflex cameras back in the day, we all used point and shoot and polaroids, therefore we should cling to that forever
>>11981136>people used high TVL back in teh day!!That's not true>BUT WE CAN USE THEM NOW !!!ok?
>>11981150You are the ones using the argument of "no one used it back in the day" as for why you shouldn't be allowed to used them now. Only low tvl slot mask over RF allowed in our hobbyist forum that isn't like all those hobbyist communities that pride themselves in using top equipment
>>11980625I have only one rack and it was from a video store that was closing. It's a metal frame and then wooden slabs inserted to give in a 3 tier set up. Everything else, i just have old furniture and entertainment centers that were designed to take the weight of a heavy tv set. I haven't bought any new pieces of furniture in probably 20 years, probably more. Any sets in storage are just on the ground or on top of each other.I did get some pvc stackable shelves from a hardware store a few years ago, but idk if i would ever put a set on them unless it was kitchen counter sized.
>>11981157I never said you shouldn't use them now. Meds.
Is it just me or scanlines hurts to look at on big flat TVs like 32" or more? Specially on more colorful scenes.>>11971875>pre-WEGAThis is a WEGA still, all Sony flat screens are.
>>11981587>scanlines hurts to look at on big flat TVs like 32" or moreI think it just depends on the TV. I have 2 32 inch CRTs and one has fat almost obnoxious scanlines while the other they aren't really visible. The fat scanlines disappear when I further away though. You aren't supposed to sit 2 feet away.
>>11981587you are correct apparently. it doesn't have any wega branding on the tv itself though, which is odd to me. did they not start doing that until later? it's a KV-27FS13
>>11981019It's completely related, because all those conditions made us sit close to the TV. IT normalized sitting close to the TV with everyone born before the 90s.Zoomers and millenials grew up with flat screens that are put 10 feet up over their heads, so you don't know what it was like before and think shit that used to be normal normal is strange.
>>11982601Woah there faggot. Millenial here. We had CRTs and did the same as picrel.Get fucked boyo.
>>11982601most millennials were at minimum teenagers by the time them or their family got a flatscreen
ZAMN! THAT TV GOT CAKE!
>>11982989also someone in my city in Chile is selling this ugly ass tv with a scart mod for the equivalent to 32USDthank god here CRTs are still plenty and easy to find
>>11982992Oh I've seen that guy around. You're basically paying for the mod rather than a TV, altho I've never needed scart at all. 32 lucas sounds good considering a guy on Facebook was selling a 14inch trinitron for 60k because of the mod.
>>11977612DYING from success
What's the best CRT filter on duckstation for RE?
^holy butthurt>>11983787
>>11981126>You don't see photographers clinging to point and shoot cameras of 30 years agoYou're not speaking to many photographers then.
>>11983929I don't believe you
>>11982601I didn't have a flat screen until I was like 20 and I'm a late millennial. It was never normal to sit that close to a big TV. Only small TVs. You seem to be missing my argument that it's bizarre to sit close to a BIG TV. It was normal to sit close if the TV was small.
>>11983943can't tell if trolling or actually retarded
What is the point of monitors like the 20" BVMs and PVMs when pretty much every quality CRT monitor has a finer dot pitch (which makes it sharper than even the 1000 TVL BVMs) and can handle a much wider array of syncs/resolutions/refresh rates? Is it all just because of the hype that Redditors have been giving them for 10 years?
>>11984846Oh yeah, and I forgot to add, you can do 240p on CRT monitors just by using a scaler that costs like a hundred bucks. If you're willing to accept a few milliseconds of input latency, you can even get scan lines. Even if you couldn't, scan line obsession can't possibly be worth thousands of dollars.
>>11984849I use my PVM and BVM for consoles and my computer monitor for computer games.
>>11984867And my point is that you could just sell the PVMs and BVMs, then just use the PC monitor, and it will actually look better (sharper) than it does on your PVM or BVM, in addition to having better brightness. Admittedly, the colors won't be as accurate, and if you have a BVM that's really dialed in, the geometry/convergence will be very slightly worse, but PC CRT monitors already have incredible geometry and convergence, so it isn't even a big difference, and having production-tier color accuracy will make no difference at all in games, not in terms of the experience, nor in terms of actual gameplay.
Got a CRT monitor from ebay. I almost certainly overpaid for it but getting one locally is kinda difficult right now (no car). Next on the list is a TV or 2 and maybe another monitor. I should have a truck in a couple months so hopefully I'll find something for a decent price. Dunno if I want to keep it on my desk 24/7. It's a bit of a tight fit with my LG C3.Any tips for someone who hasn't owned a CRT in around 15 years? I'm currently trying to dial in the screen scaling. Never played OoT before so the PC port will probably be my first game on it. From what I understand I should stick to old PC games and 6th gen consoles, and ideally get a TV for earlier console games, correct?
>>11984939How much did you pay for it?
>>11984939>Any tips for someone who hasn't owned a CRT in around 15 years?Don't crank the contrast and the colors too high unless you have to. It will burn the picture out faster. Just make sure you baby it and don't waste it's life on things that would be better done on a modern screen. I had a new in box CRT end up looking awful after just 5 years from overusing it as my main monitor
>>1198494390 bucks plus 60 for shipping. Damn impulse buys.>>11984959I think I have contrast on 55 and brightness on 50. Is that ok? My main monitor is the OLED TV so I'll only be using this for games and maybe the occasional old anime.
Trying to replace a bad flyback. Anyone know how to remove these weird solder sockets?
>>11984972>I think I have contrast on 55 and brightness on 50. Is that ok?yeah that sounds fine. Just don't be a retard like me and crank things beyond what's necessary because it looks a little more vibrant.
>>11984879My 900TVL PVM is plenty crisp for console games, and it's geometry is good, so image quality’s not a concern. Swapping it for a PC monitor is a non-starter. My console setup’s separate from my PC, and a computer monitor in my entertainment center would look janky as hell. Plus, hooking up consoles to a PC monitor needs a transcoder box since you can’t just plug in an interlaced signal. If I was all-in on PC emulation, sure, a PVM wouldn’t make sense, but I’m not.
>>11984846CRT monitors are basically all triad based, which means you get a completely different kind of picture. The reason people like trinitrons is the sub-pixel alignment and scanlines, and while you can fake scanlines on a VGA monitor, you can't correct the sub pixel layout.VGA CRTs absolutely have their place, there are many PC titles that took advantage of the triad layout for visual fidelity and don't look correct otherwise. But they're nowhere near a replacement for a PVM/BVM.
All 3 for $100 bucks plus a La-Z-Boy recliner. Fuck, I love garage sales.
Is $150 a normal price for a 13" CRT TV? That seems to be the going price on ebay. The local market has been dried up for years.
>>11986039There are VGA PC Trinitrons.
>>11986142That's fucking insane
>>11986142Probably. I sold 2 9 inch CRTs for $350 each on ebay a few months back but they were sony. Prices are only going to get worse.
>>11981095Looks shitBlank lines are an artifactLow res looks better with a coarse electron beam spot, coarse dot pitch and low tvlThat game would look 10 million times more soulful on a 60s CRT
>>11986489poorfag
>>11986489Nah, but hey man, you do you
>Nobody actually bought the higher end television flagship models >Nobody actually bought something better than what came with the console, despite being natively outputted and cables produced by the platform holder and cheaper third party manufacturersThe absolute mental gymnastics
Is overscan on monitors just something you have to accept like with the TVs?
>>11983909you are in the wrong thread
>>11986648I always thought it was easier to fix over/under scan on monitors than on crt tvs, aren’t there buttons on the front panel for it?
>>11986678Yeah there's options in the menu on mine but I haven't been able to get a perfect fit.
>>11986684If you can't adjust it far enough down to the point you've got black borders around the screen, something is wrong.
>>11986645>Pictures? taking them with my phone is the TRUE way!>Music? listening to them with my airpods is the TRUE way!>Films? watching them on my phone is the TRUE way!>Cars? driving 80hp FWD shitboxes is the TRUE way!Only nu-CRT fags are this way. The hobby has been inundated with poorfags coping and lying as to make excuses for why they can only afford bottom of the barrel equipment while also posing as prestigious tech hobbyists. Fucking frauds.
>>11986652It's some buttblasted spamming zoomer who got told to make a general like this one and since then he's been buttmad about this thread, namedropping it in his spam RE threads, thinking we're his enemies.
>>11986735>Only nu-CRT fags are this way. The hobby has been inundated with poorfags coping and lying as to make excuses for why they can only afford bottom of the barrel equipment while also posing as prestigious tech hobbyists. Fucking frauds.Carfags don't mind doing maintenance and tuning unlike nuCRT fags who don't even have the balls to open the thing up.Anyway low tier sets are pretty charming and most of them can be modded with S-Video or RGB.
>>11986764Nothing wrong with having low tier sets with RF/composite, but it reeks of cope when you see posts claiming it's the true approved heightened way to experience video games. How coincidental that the true™ way coincides with the same low budget setup anon has, very coincidental, and how all developers agree with it based on this scan of some Mega Drive dev interview we spam over and over. But hey, don't make me compress the image to play SNES games at 8:7, dev intention for me but not for thee.
>>11986764CRTs will kill you with electrocution like the electric chair. They used to use htem for execution they are so lethal. They erased all records of people dying from them but trust me.
>>11986779the only one coping here is you fatass. no one thinks you’re cool for spending money on higher end shit, find something else to feel proud about.
>>11986054Killer
>>11984939i have found it is much harder to find CRT monitors than TVs.
>>11986779>how all developers agree with it based on this scan of some Mega Drive dev interview we spam over and overyou should repost it for newfags like my self
Challenge: Find one (1) documented case of someone being electrocuted by a CRT.
>>11988405Here, now you can pretend every single game with a checkerboard pattern was made for NTSC composite, even PC and arcade games.
>>11984939>From what I understand I should stick to old PC games and 6th gen consoles, and ideally get a TV for earlier console games, correct?Yes although gen 6 still looks better on crt tv, but gen 6 on crt monitor is decent.>>11986779It isn't cope, if you'd just look at the fucking games you'd see that many games are chunky and unblended without composite/RF. Cliff or wall goes from looking like an actual rocky wall or cliff to dotted line patterns. General aliasing becomes worse. It isn't just a few games that benefit from composite blending, it's actually alot. Not all but many. Please do not talk if you don't know what you're talking about. If you prefer other inputs and overlook the shit I just described fine but please.
>>11988480>you'd see that many games are chunky and unblended without composite/RFLet me guess, you think pic related was supposed to be played with compo/RF because of muh checkerboard pattern despite being an arcade game shipped with internal RGB in its cabinet?
>>11988523so the arcade version is meant to be played RGB.
>>11984939>Any tips for someone who hasn't owned a CRT in around 15 yearsIf you're gonna use it to watch anime use CRU to make a custom resolution with a 72hz refreshrate. It divides perfectly into the 24frames anime is typically animated at and gives you insane motion clarity. The first panning/zoom shot you see will make you cum.
just got this for about 550 usd
>>11989343Hope it works a long time for you. Does that BVM go up to 1080i?
>>11988480Even early ps360 often looks better on a CRT with games that ran with sub 720p internal resolutions that still supported 4:3. And wii obviously is made for them
>>11989362This one is actually in the PVM series but its multiformat so it does go up to 1080i. I have been looking for one of these for a long time and have been patient for years until i finally found one that isn't an insane price. I just want to play games in 480p.
>>11989371I would plug my PS5 up to it since it outputs 1080i. Need a converter though. HD 4:3 TV/anime would probably look great at 1080i too. A PC CRT is a nice cheaper option for 480p but mutliformat is the grail.
>>11989381i definitely will try out a modern console at 1080i at some point but i dont own any at the moment. i will pick up an hdmi to component adapter to try using it with my computer to watch shows/movies.
>>11989343How dare you. You should've gotten a cheap 13" RCA consumer set.
>>11989479mindbroken
PVM 20M4EI love this nigga like you wouldn't believe.
>>11989495go back
>>11989539every time i had a 20 inch pvm i ended up selling it because i just didnt have a perfect place to put it. but it was great while i had it.
According to /CRT/, you should game on this
>>11989751bro get a grip
Can someone recommend a good stand for a 17" monitor? Mine didn't come with one and it's too low on my desk. Right now I'm just raising the desk up (sit/stand desk) so it's eye level but that's not really ideal.
>>11989862Any old books you have lying around, dude.
>>11989862A stack of OLEDs
>>11989862They sell these things on amazon that extend the height of your desk. if you search table leg extenders.
>>11989862They make this really cool product called lumber, it's really strong and you can hold up houses with it and stuff and it's like 5 bucks for a long piece you could cut down and stack up to make a stand as big as you want.
Anybody know of a good unpowered switch that has composite, s-video AND RF? does such a thing exist? I know s-video and composite combos exist but it'd be nice to have RF as well in case my VCR dies.
>>11961087Update on the distortion / hum bars: I plugged the ground loop isolator into the wrong RCA cables. For reasons beyond my knowledge, my Philips 4-way autoswitcher ( PH61150 ) combined with the speakers (some Bose powered speakers) were causing electrical interference. The stereo RCA cables going from the TV out to the speaker in were causing video distortion when the speakers had power and the autoswitcher was plugged in with them. So it was consoles -> autoswitcher -> tv a/v in -> tv audio stereo out -> speakers, that was causing the hum bars. The ground loop isolator kills the hum bars entirely when I use it before the stereo out. So tv stereo out -> isolator -> speakers. I hope this helps a fellow retard.
Yo anons, just got this huge 29' CRT, works fine, only problem is these weird lines at the top, they're there even when there's no output, and in games like Yakuza it looks like it's a afterimage. Any fixes i can maybe do at home or is this something for a professional only? First CRT, don't know shit about it.
>>11989539Cleanest setup I’ve ever seen
>>11990710kek
>>11990459i put your post in chatgpt.
>>11990710>left: saturn version
>>11990459Stick your hand inside it and feel around until you find the lines.
Anons, would there be a semi-decent way to connect a Mac mini M4 to a CRT? Normally use a SCART port on the TV for my retro vidya consoles, but thought it would be cool to watch retro anime on it as well.I do have a region-free DVD player which is great for actual DVDs, but the price of some releases nowadays is pants on head (guess shouldn't be surprised though because limited runs and all that shit), not to mention having to import from the US for some shows I like that haven't been released in the EU officially, so torrenting everything I wanna watch instead would be much easier and, well, much cheaper - for obvious reasons.Thing is, the DVD player, while it supports video playback from USB drives, doesn't support modern codecs and I don't want to fuck around with converting either. Could do wooorst case scenario I guess, but I've done it in the past and it's a huge time sink, plus sometimes you get random graphical artifacts etc. and it's just a huge hassle to get it right.From what I've gathered so far, but mind you my Google-fu is weak, you can use a combination of different signal converters, but it's going to look kinda shit?Should I bother even trying to achieve this or would I be better off getting a Raspberry Pi with CRT output just for watching anime?
>>11990459Capacitors in the vertical deflection circuit are failing. You can fix it at home if you know how to solder.
>>11991242Just be careful with the charge in them
>>11990859I'm guessing macOS is way more difficult to get good resolutions out of. Best way to watch things on a CRT, in my opinion, is a ps3 or xbox 360 plugged into ethernet and streaming from a media server. You could also just get an hdmi to composite converter and judge for yourself if it's good enough for you or not. If you're watching anime it might be.
>>11990859On the other hand, if you have a spare hard drive, Handbrake makes it really simple to turn all your mkv's into mp4s. You just have to prepare it in advance because it can take a while depending on your cpu. I've never had any problems with it introducing artifacts or whatever.
>>11990859hdmi to composite adapter
>>11990859honestly i'd just grab a ps3 and mod it - the homebrew app movian will play any x264 video you throw at it, even some 1080p stuff as long as the bitrate isn't too high. i've got a few terabytes of 4:3 - mostly 480p - media and my modded ps3s have always been reliable media players
>>11989751i've got a black an white portable that size that i sometimes set up on my coffee table and watch black and white vhs tapes on while i game with my main crt
Finally own a house so no compromises. Still need to get some stuff on the walls, plants and more shelves for my ~1000 games. These B&O sets truly are peak but it seems they've rocketed in prices in the last few years. Looking to upgrade my ME6000 to MX7000 but people are asking £300+ if you can even find one.
>>11979965Same anon here, I only really need one CRT monitor. which one is worth keeping? e70f+ or E70
>>11991817unless you live in a place with no extra storage, I would just see which one you like and put the other in storage and sell off later on when the prices go up.
>>11984939Use a screensaver that is solid black. You should be turning it off when you aren't using it but in case you forget
>>11991410>>11991412Yeah macOS is nice for its "it just werks" factor, but not much you can do drivers-wise in order to force low-frequency video output. I do have an old ass tower PC with a Radeon card stashed away in the attic so I could theoretically use CRT emu driver (would have to check if the card is supported though), but the whole point of getting a mini PC was to save space, so I don't want an extra bulky computer right in the middle of my living room just to watch anime. Honestly I'm mostly still keeping it only for burning PSX backups once in a blue moon, because it has an ancient CD burner with 2x writing speeds and can be used with Cdrdao, so I can download isos and they work flawlessly on my PSone with no stuttering/skipping.I'll read up on Handbrake, thank you, don't think I've used that program before (or if I did, I don't remember), so maybe it is easier nowadays. Definitely have a bunch of spare HDDs in external enclosures though, so that's not a problem.>>11991493Any recommendations on brand/model anon or would you grab the cheapest chinkshit of AliExpress and it doesn't really matter?>>11991507I will look into Movian too, as I do have a PS3 laying around, just never bothered jailbreaking it - built myself a cheap racing rig with a Logitech Driving Force GT, wheel stand and a seat ripped straight off and old FIAT, but that's literally all I use it for: designated Gran Turismo 5 machine whenever I feel like going VROOM.Thanks everyone. Pain in the ass though, I just wanted to watch Ranma again, lol. Shit's way too complicated for what it is.
>>11991898>Any recommendations on brand/model anon or would you grab the cheapest chinkshit of AliExpress and it doesn't really matter?Just get any of them on amazon. They should all be fine. If somehow there is a problem which i doubt, just return it and try a different one.
Anyone here have any experience with SAMSUNG CRTs specifically european ones?I have a samsung-cb-20f12t KS1A chassi and there seems to be somekind of noise/ripple effect, it is easiest detectable with a RGB signal but it is definitely there even with composite.Checked the capacitors & IC and they are operating within specs, tried unplugging the speaker, desoldering the tuner and different cables & system but nothing worked.I check out the service menu but could not find anything relevant to adjust.Could it be a bug? This was apparently SAMSUNGs chassi with a "all in one" jungle chip.https://obsoletetellyemuseum.blogspot.com/2019/04/samsung-cb-20f12t-chassis-ks1a-internal.html
>>11992343Oh and I forgot>unplugging Degaussing coil
>>11992343>>11992350Hmm I found thishttps://www.avforums.com/threads/samsung-cz21m063n-service-manual.357633/On the other hand the television set is a ks9a-p, 9 revisions later and its not fixed? Sounds absurd even for samshit
I have a TV with an existing s-video slot. I want to mod in another, because there's a component input on the side of the tv with no s-video in. How hard would that be to do? I've done minor soldering jobs before.
>>11992595Why wouldn't you just buy a selector?
what are we playing on our crts for this labor day weekend? for me, it's NFS Underground for the GameCube. First time playing.
>>11992595>>11992625look up phillips PH61153
>>11992625>>11992628I have a selector. I'm asking because I want to use the front AV port for other reasons.
>>11992626Did an animal take a bite out of your TV?
>>11992626D2 via a source port off a pi. I accidentally magnetized a corner of the screen which adds to the grunginess.
>>11992686kek. brittle plastic unfortunately. it also has some cracks around the back and side of the chassis that I band aid'd with some gorilla tape. there is a non zero chance the whole thing falls apart next time I have to move it.
Is there anywhere I can buy a brand new in box CRT for a reasonable price (cheaper than ebay)? I’m tired of using other people’s gunked up trash. It really makes “retro” gaming (playing my own perfectly good mint condition consoles) seem like dumpster diving.
>>11991768Cozy, good shit anon
>>11992756If there was we would have already bought them. $250+$100 shipping on ebay seems like the lowest you can find new old stock
>>11992756>gunked up trashall you need is rubbing alcohol something to scrape with and an air compessoronly place you can buy a new crt is some chinese site or north korea
>>11992889i ordered an orion crt pc monitor from ebay and it got broken in the shipping.so i got my money back and i found a brand new compaq color crt
>>11983957>I'm a late millennial. It was never normal to sit that close to a big TVOf course, because you're a late millennial, so you never grew up in the culture/architecture/technology that made people sit close up.I mean, you can't even hold the controller for vintage consoels comfortably if you actually sat at the FCC and ESRB regulated viewing distance because the cord is too short.SHIT, and that's another reason why kids sat close to their consoles, because kids tend to flail around, so you needed at least an extra foot of slack cord so they don't pull their console right out of the entertainment center. 5 feet was barely enough.I'm gen X, thus, i sit close when playing on my CRT, because that's how everyone used to do it.And what's wrong with sitting up close, other than some kids who never grew up without the internet finding it "weird"?>ib4 you're not a kidget off my lawn!
How much distance should there be between my CRT and bookshelf speakers?
>>11993105If they're both shielded properly, they can be next to each other generally
>>11992756Bringing them back to life is half the fun
>>11993097The Japanese market had shorter cables because they were cheaper to produce, and the intended setup was to have the console in front of you on a table instead of by the TV.Nobody sat close to the TV because your parents told you that's how you get square eyes.
>>11993105sometimes i would get noise through the speakersi just moved some wires around and the noise went away.
>>11991851they really gonna go up again? or is that just because of how scarce they are going to get again?
Got this VCR TV for free from a kind lady, but I dont know how to switch to AV. It has no source button, and I dont have an IR blaster phone to use the universal app button. I have my N64 hooked up but dont know how to switch to the video/AV outputs. The only wires in and from the N64 are video (Yellow) and audio (White). Help?
>>11993965The model number is CXJ1364
>>11993965If you switch channel down from zero, sometimes that goes to AV channels. Otherwise, yeah, just get a phone with IR.
>>11993285controllers in general were shorter before the SNES. >Nobody sat close to the TV because your parents told you that's how you get square eyes.Yeah, and back in the 60s, 70s, 80s and early 90s, sitting too close was 1-2 feet. You can who the zoomers are based on how far away they are from their TV.
Is there any reason to have a PVM monitor if you mostly play on PC? I have yet to see a PVM monitor that has VGA.
>>11994065Just get any old VGA monitor and run it at 640x480@60hz if you're emulating. Easier, cheaper and better than hooking up a PVM to a good emulation machine. If you want to hook consoles into it then RGB into a linedoubler and conversion through a proper HDMI->VGA box is lossless and lagless.
>>11993143i love organized chaos>>11993965https://www.ebay.com/itm/116740744764
>>11993556they arent going to make more and the existing ones are just going to break and get thrown out. right now there are unlimited supplies of cheap PVMs in Japan for example because there isn't much interest. the more people catch on globally the cost will go up
>>11993097Kek you are such a larping zoomer faggot. You act like me being 35 years old means I don't know what living rooms were like with CRTs. Like I haven't seen my parents and grandma's old living rooms. You have a weird fucked up family or are just lying and larping. Normal people did not sit that close and have fucked up eyesight.
>>11993097>I mean, you can't even hold the controller for vintage consoels comfortably if you actually sat at the FCC and ESRB regulated viewing distance because the cord is too short.Only a zoomer would think this. You weren't there and it's obvious. Enjoy sitting 2 inches away like your fellow zoomer counter strike players
>>11994060Your picture is the normal living room distance for TVs. Nobody sat 2 inches like you and your fellow zoomers do playing counter strike.
it just isn't a /crt/ thread without 2 people arguing about something retarded that no one cares about
>>11994184or without someone whining and bitching about it
>>11994184And yet, this is one of the sanest generals on 4chinz. You haven't seen true horror yet.
>>11994189Someone browses /vm/
CRT Royale has a shadow mask option but no preset like the other two. Was slot mask or aperture grill more common in the 90s?
>>11994836Shadow mask was used mostly for PC monitors. Some PVMs used shadow masks I think but it wasn't common.Slot mask (which is another form of shadow mask) was the most widely used for consumer CRTs. Aperture grille was Sony's invention and thus limited to their products (even their PC CRTs).
>>11992343Couple of more things I tried, moving the set to a different location and plugging it in a solo outlet >>11992343>>11992350Interesting I found this very similar to my problem, could it be that Samsung simply sucks?https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/11bszmm/hey_guys_how_can_i_fix_that_its_samsung/
Been working on the bowing for my kv-32fd12. Looks loads better than it did. I am debating whether I want to even be messing with it more which I can basically ignore it now.
>>11995085good enough for me
>>11994885>Aperture grille was Sony's invention and thus limited to their products (even their PC CRTs)That was up until their patents expired in the early 90s. There are plenty of non-Sony aperture-grille monitors and TVs.
>>11992884>Playing on GBplayer with bad scaling and frame rate issues.
>>11995060>https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/11bszmm/hey_guys_how_can_i_fix_that_its_samsung/Fucking useless as always...
Here is my score of the day. KD-27FS170 in excellent condition. 2006 manufacture year. Free. I will compare to my Panny Tau 27" and keep the better one.
>>11995085Late model trinitrons really have insane color. I have an FS-170 and honestly the colors look better than my BVM.
>>119952405000 hours vs 50000 hours
>>11994172Nah, dude. You're the one who thinks because he remembers a little bit of the 90s, that that means you totally know how people lived in the past. Your idea of the 90s is probably just based on reruns, of actors on oversized sets pretending to be living rooms.I mean, here you are, telling me it wasn't normal for people to sit close to their TVs when playing video games. The fact you believe this shows you never went to anyone's house and/or only lived in houses built after the 80s. >>11994175>Enjoy sitting 2 inches away like your fellow zoomer counter strike playersFunny, because that's just "the more things change, the more they stay the same." Not realizing shit like that happened before just shows how young you kids are.Personally, I've never sat that close, but if it works for them, whatever.Also, i like how if you look up photos of the past, the vast majority of old photo have people sitting close to their tvs. and almsot everything after the 00s, the y're further out.
So I got me a Pelican RCA switcher for 5 bucks just an hour ago near my house, but I am afraid of the AC adapter pictured in.The Switcher says DC 6V in, but the adapter says AC 117V and Output AC 9V, even tough it fits, it was one of those flea market "Bazar's" where everything is a mess and miss matched, they also had lots of DVD when of course the main disc is always "misplaced/missing" from multi disc sets.Little help?
>>11995321Looks cool, like a FAT PS2. And it even has an RF modulator built-in. Would be a really nice piece of equipment for S-Video.Does it even need the AC adapter for anything other than the modulator though? Looks like the switch itself is mechanical (the buttons stay pressed and I presume depress the other ones at the same time when pressing one of them). Maybe you don't need the adapter if you just want to switch the RCA/S-Video inputs. Try it out without connecting to the wall, it could work just like that.
>>11995321no, unless you want to fry it. i have a similar pelican switcher (gamestop branded) and it works passively - no power needed. try it passive. im willing to bet power is optional on yours.
>>11995321There's more to pay attention to than just voltage. You do know that, right? You have to pay attention to polarity with anything DC and you need to pay attention to amperage. The more amperage on the adapter's side the better unless it's putting out more voltage than what the device is designed for. Going to 9 volts from 6 is a 50% jump. Which is pretty high.
>>11995321Send pictures to chatgpt to see if it will work.I did that earlier today with a component splitter.
>>11995367Hello zoomer
>>11995367Literally WTF are you doing? That has to be a troll.
>>11995321I hate that exact same model.It doesn't need the power for the RCA inputs, I think it's used exclusively for the RF antenna thing.I'd take a picture of it, but I taped it down on top of my Trinitron because the cables are heavy.
>>11995395I have*fuck's sake it works well for what it is.
>>11995383>>11995367I dont even trust GROK or Google AI, what makes you think I'll be that stupid.I already plugged the thing without the AC adaptor, and yes, it works, seems that one of the RCA inputs is dead tough, the others are fine.Tough the Wii composite quality deminsihes a little through it, it's less bright and with a bit more color blees/saturation, but it was the same when I had it plugged to my VCR, oh well.
>>11995407Theres a pelican switcher with component/composite/s-video. Maybe upgrade to that one down the line if you find one cheap. I paid 25 for mine on eBay
>>11995490>>11995490Does it Input Component and Output composite at 240p?
>>11995321>>11995340>>11995340So that thing is mechanical and doesn't need to plug via AC? How does that work?
>>11995367This can't be a thing is it?
>>11995541no conversion. output is the same as input. it's simple mechanical switching of the signal/contacts.Gamestop / Pelican BB-016 is what I have
>>11994060It's all relative...
>>11995547Since this is only a switch, the only thing it needs to do is connect one of the inputs to the output. Basically each button moves its own piece of metal that connects the pins together, nothing complicated really. The tricky part is how it depresses the other buttons, there is most likely a common metal rail to which they are all attached that gets pushed out with a spring-like piece and resets their position when you press one of the buttons. Depending on the build of the switch assembly, you can sometimes find the point at which everything gets depressed before your button latches and have nothing pressed this way. And that's all, no outside power, relays or ICs needed.
Not sure if this is the inappropriate place to ask but I’m trying to find this shader seen herehttps://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/11424618/#11425061But the catbox link is dead does anyone have a reupload of it please
Diggers could be anywhere
>>11995683japan sure was something else
>>11995678>Not sure if this is the inappropriate place to askPeople don't like discussing shaders here, but I'll entertain you. From the description of that post, I gather it's crt-royale. Try this one, it's similar looking: https://files.catbox.moe/wy7i81.slangp
Gonna grab a free 20" CRT from the basement at work later this week. It's RF only though, what consoles are gonna look the best on this thing?
Are CRT tvs that hard to find for free in your area? There are always people around here getting rid of theirs, mostly larger trinitrons. I can’t imagine having to buy one that just sounds crazy
>>11995770Not hard to find in a city but you have to be quick to claim and pick up. Any desirable CRT (brand, size) is gone within an hour if listed for free. Some people would rather pay a small fee for the convenience rather than press F5 on FB marketplace all day.
>>11995683>>11995687kek, I see what Japan is doing and it’s hilarious.
>>11995569Wow, nice, have you had experience with non mechanical switchers?
>>11995770Everyone got rid of theirs years ago. They can't work with modern TV or streaming and haven't for a long time. Why would anyone still have one? They solely exist for retro gaming these days. The amount of people interested in that is tiny.
>>11995737imo anything 8 to 32bit, but i think nes and genesis especially. master system obviously as well, but i just don't think it's a very stand out system compared to nes and genesis
>>11995863No, never had a need for powered
>>11995737... what thing? You didn't say what it was. Is it just some garbage Orion shit box? RF is pretty subjective to the hardware being used. Most people hate the Model 1 VA6 Sega Genesis, but if you want to use RF that's the one to get. Its RF is super strong.
>>11992343>>11992350>>11995060>>11995170Tried plugging in my systems through a sync cleaner and having the aerial plugged in..Of course it didn't work im just shooting blanks at this point. I dunno I'm pretty much completely out of idea The.only somewhat decent idea is replacing the two 4.7uf 250v caps on the neckboard with new low ESR ones.
What are your guys opinions on playing seventh gen consoles (360/PS3/Wii U) on CRTs?I have a backwards compatible PS3 so it would be cool if I could get away with hooking up it up to have all 3 gens on a CRT.
>>11995926Certain games work out alright but at this point its formatted well for a non-crt
>>11995926It should be fine for the most part. There are certain games that still have display modes for 4:3 screens. Most later games don't though and some games really want you to play on a HD screen since the font size is uncomfortably hard to read even through component video.I just play it safe and game on a CRT monitor for these consoles. Additionally the PS3 can't output 240p so I wouldn't use it for PS1 games, personally.
how high should sharpness be set?Should ClearEdge VM be Off, Low, or High?
>>119959620, off
>>11995962offyeah
>>11995926They look like shit on CRTs
>>11995973Play more games.
>>11995972>>11995963high seems to make it overly sharp, but low improves clarity a little.why 0 sharpness?This is a 27" with an n64, BC PS3, Wii U and 360 hooked up to it btw
>>119959810 is the purest but set it to whatever looks good on your particular TV
>>11995981a 33% sharpness is fine, but disable that post-processing edge something-something trashI thought you were conflating regular sharpness with that post-processing shit that some later CRT TVs offer as an option
have any good resources for what the various options in the service menu do? they mostly seem to be two letter abbreviations
>>11995926You can't read shit for most games on SDTv. Dead Rising was when it became very apparent they were forcing people to move to HD.
>>119959810 sharpness on a CRT will usually give you a super blurry picture, I think the guys above have it confused with sharpness on modern TVs where it's just a post-processing sharpening filter that fucks up the picture adding ringing artifacts, etc. On CRTs it controls the gain on the high frequency part of the analog signal (so smaller details, edges, etc.), ideally you would display a sharpness test pattern and adjust it so that the lines are sharp without any ghosting or ringing. If you don't have access to a test pattern (240p test suite has one, for example), you can just fire up a game and eyeball it on some text or sprites. Usually a value between 25% and 50% will be fine, but it varies from set to set.ClearEdge/VM/whatever post-processing is there you should turn off, it will only introduce artifacts and possibly even lag if it's digital.There's also the focus of the beam, but that's usually adjusted via a physical knob inside the TV.
>>11995656Interesting, I love it.So far only one of the input "slots" seems to not work, the rest works completely fine.My SNES still works fortunely, but sadly, my old Super Everdrive does not.
>>11995948>There are certain games that still have display modes for 4:3 screenswii supports 4:3 for 99% of games with just a few exceptions.
>>11996005Look up the service manual for your TV or a similar model, search for model name service manual. You can usually find something. Don't fuck with settings when you don't know what they do.
>>11996134I've never seen an ever drive fail before
>>11996180Yeah but most of them are 480P which makes them more friendly to modern displays especially if you got a scaller
>>11996134>>11996346I have been using the same SD2SNES cart for over 10 years. The board inside these isn't fragile or anything. There should be something you can do to get it to work
>>11996350I have a 2012 sd2snes that has thousands of hours on it and is still in use to this day in my garage, still works perfectly.
>>11996347wii games all worked in both 480i or 480p
>>11996347>>11996360oh misunderstood your comment. Yeah wii looks good on modern TVs. but good on CRT too. It's not like ps360 where a lot of games are bad on CRT
>>11996361Yeah I agree, I just think with modern TVs and scallers that once you get to 480p you are better off on a nice OLED
>>11993203>>11993347Testing with a red wallpaper no green creeps onto the screen unless I bring the closest speaker (CRT's on the corner of my desk) within about 6 inches. The speaker's toed in so the closest part is a little over a foot away from the nearest point on the CRT. It should be fine as long as there's no distortion on the screen, right?
>>11971336Read the post before making inane commentary.
Patriotic BRITRON I saw at a melee tournament, what was incredible was it outperformed everysingle other tv there in picture quality despite the tube being cooked as fuck. Also the sound of the hum of like 50 crts is insane, i could hear it from like 70 feet away.Trinitrons are so fucking powerful for 480i.
>>11973914When you say "filter" it's kind of a self report you don't know what you're talking about, it's like someone saying "tube TV" as a technical term. Before you ascribe retarded beliefs to me, I don't even play games on emulators at this point, but modern shaders are very good with proper setup. I have a friend who is very autistic about them and I will admit his setup looks essentially 1:1 with a consumer set when you are in-person. I imagine they will only get better.Again I also have CRT autism but I really think people have thrown the proverbial baby out with the bathwater when it comes to shaders
>>11996987Shaders are gettin really good, but they can never deal with non 1:1 pixel aspect rations, only crts will ever be able to display non square pixels properly, loads of old games have taller than wider pixels to get higher quality images.Also crts have perfect motion clarity and input lag
>>11996350There are many chinese knock offs of SD2SNES. I took my time finding a used one I wanted to buy to make sure I got a revision newer than the one copied by the chinese. That was a long time ago. I've always wanted to find a SFC shell that I could put my SD2SNES into so I could use it on my SuperFamicom instead of my Wife's SNES from her childhood.
>>11996995>only crts will ever be able to display non square pixels properlyThis is true. But with high resolution displays there are some tricks with scaling to get something close. Like using 64:49 aspect ratio on SNES gets you extremely close to what 8:7 PAR stretched to 4:3 DAR looks like. By multiplying 8 by 8 and 7 by 7 you get pixels that are made up of 8 by 7 subpixels. The end result is the appearance of 8:7 PAR streched to 4:3 DAR and it's only off by a fraction (1.306 vs 1.333)
>>11996987What's wrong with saying tube TV?
>>11996987>"you don't know what you're talking about">filterfag apologistlike clockwork
Something you don't see every day. Imagine trying to move this.
>>11998132KV-40XBR800 I think
I just got this for free and don't understand the appeal over other TVs so far. The VHS player works though so thats a bonus, might check out some places that sell em.
>>11998172Okay nevermind this loading screen is kino
>>11996350>>11996346No one did believe me over the other thread, but its true, take it or leave it, the damn drive is dead, its not the SD card becuase i tested 3 different cards, boot ROMS to emulators from them, they all worked, and my snes certainly isnt death in spite of being piss cigarrate yellow and with a broken AC plug.My Everdrive is truly dead.
>>11998172This is because you've got a pretty shit CRT. You might notice the motion clarity, but the actual picture isn't great on these sets. Ideally you want a trinitron.
>>11998351I mean considering it was free and the VHS player works I'm not complaining. Maybe halo wasn't the best option either, I'll see how resident evil looks.
>>11998172That doesn't look right. Is there something wrong with your cables? Or is that just a shitty picture?
>>11998407I mean, it's composhit on a shit TV. That's about as good as it's going to get.
>>11998412Looks like your phone sucks even more than mine.
Not making a thread for this so I'll ask here: is there a database with information on what languages each game edition has?Like if I buy a German edition of Sonic Mega Collection Plus for PS2 I want to know if it's multilanguage or not and what languages does it have.
>>11971321>what is viewing distanceMy 17" is on my desk. I'm not sitting meters away lol.
>>11971427>because you can see more shit on the bigger TVs.You can't see something that isn't there in the first place. Most games/devices don't even output 480p/i lol.
>>11996987>you don't know what you're talking about>proceeds to larp by saying filters can get close 1:1 to actual hardwareFilterfags are the worst people on this board, they are so fucking disingenuous it makes me sick
>>11997363Why don't you just buy any cheap super famicom game and make one yourself? Even if you dont have a dremel tool, you could probably do a decent job with just some small wire cutters or a razor blade
>>11998315Its probably an issue with the sd card reader in the cart. Thats the easiest part to break. I dont know if you can solder but if you can get a replacement for that part, it could fix the issue. any capacitors on it wouldnt have worn out in this little time
>>11971321nothing wrong with 14"
>>11998442My phone cam is kinda shit. It also apparently used to be a schools, I don't think they built school crts different did they?
Is it acceptable to order a CRT on ebay and have it shipped through the mail? If so, what is the maximum size? Can I go with a 13” or should I stick with 9”?
>>11998351Weird how almost no one had a Trinitron in the golden age of gaming (20 years ago) and everyone got along just fine.
>>11999093>or should I stick with 9”?I honestly have to ask; why bother? are you desperate to belong in the CRT crowd? 9" is just fucking shit.
>>11999170So then it’s appropriate to send a 13” through the mail?
>>11999093Biggest I bought was 13in. Everything else was broken upon delivery. Ebay is also more expensive. For example I got an A20 BVM for $1500 on marketplace and they got for like 4K on ebay.
>>11999093I had a good experience with ebay (posted about it earlier in the thread) with a 17" CRT. It's gonna be more expensive plus there's a risk of it coming destroyed. Try to find a seller that has experience with CRTs and check their reviews for info about how well they package them.
>>11999093I got a 22 inch computer monitor from Ebay years ago. I gave the seller detailed instructions on how to pack it and it arrived without damage. If they don't pack it like it will be dropped from a plane, it will likely get damaged.
>>11998631It has multiple slots for LEDs and Cards and USB port stuff. Plus it has to have standoffs in the right spaces for screws. Now if there was files that I could 3D print my own. Sure, but if I have to fabricate the cartridge by hand I'll just continue to use my wife's SNES.
>>11999093>Is it acceptable to order a CRT on ebay and have it shipped through the mail?No.I got stupid lucky when I bought a Magnavox 16 color CGA Monitor and the seller just happened to be driving past where my shop was with in a week and he delivered it himself. I told him he could keep the shipping money for gas. Most of the time everything like that you order through shipping is just going to get destroyed because of the trash that UPS/FEDEX/USPS hires. Not saying everyone who works for them is bad. Most of the drivers in my area are great people, but even here there was a period of about 10 years where fed ex would deliver packages to the wrong house.
>>11999093It would be extremely painful.
>>11998520You say that, but i used to play Call of Duty 7: Black OPs 1 on PS3 with my 36" TV and counter sniped in the game with the M14 across the entire map. Guys in ghillie suits trying to be sneaky, slowly crawling sideways in order to shoot me and i always noticed their tiny little green pixels first.I notice people complaining about text in games, but i never had a problem with that on my ps3/36" TV either.I actually preferred gaming on my 36" TV over the 32" HDTV WEGA because of its size.Yeah, you're technically correct that visual data is missing, but is it actual useful visual data?AND I think clarity when everything in motion is a hundred times more important than that resolution, hence me not getting used to my LCD HDTVs and continuing to play games on my 36" CRTs until the PS4 got enough games to make it worthwhile (2020).LCDs becoming popular for computer monitors in the early 00s is why i switched from playing FPS on my computers to console, because of motion clarity. Never knew the technical aspect behind that blurriness on LCDs until 4chan started posting those images about why CRT was superior to LCD. Which made me bring out my oldass computer monitor back out in 2011 or 2010.
>>11999504>is just going to get destroyed because of the trash that UPS/FEDEX/USPS hiresNo the real reason they get destroyed is because every UPS/Fedex/USPS distribution center has a massive conveyor system that includes as large as 5 foot drops from one conveyor belt to the next.
>>11999504as someone who works for UPS I can confirm this as 80% of the people who work there often forklift or toss shit into the cans/trucks we ship in. I know fedex and USPS are just as bad if not worse, but just know as someone who frequents these boards I try my best to look out for packages that have electronics and load them properly so they dont get damaged
>>11999170>are you desperate to belong in the CRT crowd?Welcome to gaming in 2025. There are no new releases worth playing, so old games just keep being remade. So why not play the original? But then, how do you do so without them looking like dogshit? Filters don't work. CRT is the only viable option. And we live in 2025 when the vast majority of CRTs have been snatched up and are sold online. But how do you even get them? It's impossible. They break. The only thing that might not break is a 9" wrapped in a cubic foot of foam. It's no surprise, then, that they've gotten pretty popular, especially to accompany one's "battlestation". But that's also the wrong way to play. So how else?
>>11995904>Is it just some garbage Orion shit boxmy b i was stoned. its an rca lol
>>12000025An RCA like an old Colortrak . Or an RCA from the early 2000's? I have a 2008 RCA that has an Orion tube in it. Now it's not the worst tube since it's a 27'' with component inputs but it needs repaired just like every orion set from that age thanks to chinese capacitors.
>>12000047>Colortrakyessir
>>11999504Its great not being in america where employees actually do their job and have personal responsibility. I have had around 10 PVMs shipped to me over a few years and never had one break. Someone even shipped one to me directly in a box with no padding and it was fine.
>>11999170win this auction and sell the rest for profithttps://www.govdeals.com/en/asset/13806/4788
>>12000685Why are third worlders like this? Go to /pol/ if you want to cry and whine about your inferiority complex toward Americans. I don't even think of your irrelevant country at all. You stub your toe and think America did it.
>>12000770And yet I still can’t get a CRT through the mail.
>>12000770Im american and I live in a different first world country. Sorry I struck a nerve flyover faggot
>>12000685Be some third worlder lie for no reason???lives in shit
>>12001109Sure thing, Jose.
>>12001807That's José for you.
>>12001812Ok, Josie calm your pussycats down.
>>12000685Mexicans don't have enough money for even average gaming computers. They're not having PVMs shipped to their front doors.
>>12000685based>>12000770>>12001743>>12001883triggered
>>12002409ESL
